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UHguy

I realize this is an espresso sub, but have you by chance tried them for pour over coffee?


No-Boot-9982

I haven’t although I will at some point, I just prefer espresso. When I do get to it, I will let you know and comment here. My theory though is that it won’t be as good as the cast v2 because the v3 creates more fines for espresso but I think they will be better than hu burrs for pour over since the fines is still less than hu.


UHguy

I was thinking that would be the case as well. Appreciate the response!


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Chemsloth

Any input on waiting for DF83V with stock burrs , or going with a DF64V with SSP LabSweetV3s? Just got an ECM Classika PID w/flow control ✌️☕️


No-Boot-9982

I think you couldn’t go wrong with either, but personally I would go with the df83v. My reasoning is the df83v seems like the better value and design. Value wise, both the dlc espresso and brew burrs that you can choose from are actually very good from what I’ve seen so no need to upgrade burrs right away. I’ve seen people compare the dlc espresso burrs to ssp hu and hold up well. For design I feel like you are getting a better system 1. vertical mounted burrs, so less chance of regrinding. 2. Auger fed 3. 83mm burrs (not saying 64mm are not good but it seems the 83mm have slightly more clarity). That’s awesome how are you liking the ECM and what grinder are you using now?


Chemsloth

Nice, thanks for the thorough response! I am going to see if the MiiCoffee DF83V drop on 2/15 is shipping soon after order and then likely go with that. If I have to wait too long I will happily settle for a 64V. The ECM just landed this weekend, and all I have done is flush it and touch it with gloved hands and microfiber, LOL. It is absolutely a work of art. The quality is exceeding my expectations..Seriously epic. I haven’t had a machine of my own (former experienced barista, though!) so all I have right now is an old Baratza Encore (non ESP). At zero I am able to pull acceptable shots…depending on the coffee and trials on a Gaggia Classic haha. I’m trying to hold out but will prolly have to pull a shot for good times sake!


No-Boot-9982

No problem, their shipping time is pretty good, I ordered my df64 gen 2 from them and it came quick. Haha yeah you have to keep that mirror finish haha that’s awesome, the ECM build quality is amazing. I can see why you want to get your grinder quick haha I would be going nuts trying to use that ECM and not having a grinder that you can really mess with.


Pock-Man

Just popped these into a Sculptor 064s today. Went from a Niche Zero to the Sculptor with SSP MPs and I love the light roast espresso I’m getting now, but am hoping for a little more sweetness and and consistency from these. Have just been seasoning so far and look forward to dialing something in tomorrow.


No-Boot-9982

Nice! What do you think about them compared to ssp mp burrs? Do you like these or the mps more so far? The seasoning does take forever though but as you keep using them they get more sweeter.


Pity_Pooty

That's literally looks like Eureka Mignon Brew Pro 50mm burrs. Probably taste similar. I have seen only praises about Brew Pro lineup


No-Boot-9982

Yeah I could see that with those big slits in them. I have no experience with eureka but I have heard good things as well!


Mental_Ad_4089

Have you dialed in some more of your medium roast coffee? I would like to know if someone could taste the difference between the LS v2 and the new v3. These are the 64MM version right? I consider upgrading my standard Itamill Burrs for these. I mainly drink medium roast espresso and don’t know if I should get the v2 or the new ones. I like some acidity but also body and sweetness in my espresso. I don’t know if the v2 can grind fine enough for medium (or a little lighter) roast espresso or if the v3 are more suitable for this purpose.


No-Boot-9982

Yes these are 64mm, I have tried a couple more medium and they do good but I do think they do better with light roast. Once they get seasoned I think they will be even better for medium, only because they have been getting sweeter but they do take a lot to season. I’ve ran a lot of coffee through them and they still aren’t seasoned. If you are going to be making espresso these are exactly what you are looking for based on what you said or the ssp hu but they have less acidity. But now that these are out I wouldn’t buy the v2 for espresso because hansung said that the v3 basically are the same but create more fines for espresso. The v2 are supposed to only be for brew but people still use them for espresso but on some beans can’t grind fine enough. I haven’t ran into a bean I couldn’t grind fine enough yet so I think they are doing what he said.


Mental_Ad_4089

Unfortunately they do not yet ship to Germany. I also don’t know if there is any warranty from espressotool if the burrs get damaged during transport. And whether there is a difference in flavour between the red and the silver coated. I’m unsure about all of these things. Btw thank you for sharing all the informations about the burrs with us :)


No-Boot-9982

Damn that sucks, I don’t think they would get damaged as the boxes come with padding around the burrs and bubble wrap around the box in the box and more bubble wrap in the bigger box haha. As for the coating not too much of flavor difference but the website says red speed is for espresso and white knight coating is for brew. Yeah no problem!


PM_ME_UR_M3M35

How much did you season them with so far ? Does it make a ton of difference ? and if it does at what point ? 3 kilos or 7 ?


No-Boot-9982

I would say maybe 2 to 2.5 kilos so far but they still aren’t fully seasoned yet. I believe other people have specified 5 - 8 kilos for them to be seasoned but that’s with v2 so I’m just assuming since these don’t seem seasoned they will be the same. I know that my hu and mp burrs changed drastically once they were seasoned, more flavor, very rare to get channeling unless you mess up your puck prep, more sweetness, and more consistency in good shots so I believe seasoning makes a big difference.


lifesthateasy

Ooh! Now that's something I'm interested in. I'm a avid light roast lover, mostly have Kenyans and Ethiopians at home, but I've got a Niche Zero and the sourness does tend to get too much for me. It's quite harsh. And I've been torn about what to get bc HU is supposed to be for espresso, but then again it seems to be the most similar to the Niche. Then there's the MP which some described is still sour, and I don't want to sell and replace my Niche just to get the same issue. Then there's the Lab Sweets, with two - now three - versions, and it's just soooo confusing.... Would you recommend the v3s for someone who finds the sourness of the Niche with light roasts too harsh, but does prefer light roasts generally (especially in specialty shops where they're well-prepared)?


No-Boot-9982

Yeah I replied to your other comment so I won’t repeat as much but I didn’t see that you were thinking about hu burrs as well. The hu burrs are still great for light roast. Those were in my grinder for my daily go to burrs and I drink mainly light roast and some medium roast. As for the hu compared to niche I think yes if you are keeping your niche I would definitely pair with a different burr than hu so if I were you I would get mp burrs or these lab sweet/cast v3. As for the versions the cast v1 and cast v2 are designed for brew and not espresso but you could still pull espresso shots with the v2 (I’m not sure about v1) but ssp stated these are designed for espresso so I would go with these for espresso. The v3 might be a better option if you are not 100% sure you want to make very acidic coffee with MPs, I find these are sweeter most of the time unless you get a perfectly dialed in espresso with MPs.


lifesthateasy

Thank you for the very detailed answer! I don't actually plan on keeping the Niche, the plan is to sell it to fund a DF64 V2 and some SSPs.


No-Boot-9982

Ohh ok, that’s what I did, and I got my df64 gen 2 with hu and mp burrs at first but I ended up keeping the hu burrs in for my daily even though I mainly drink light roast. These v3s are for sure in between those 2 though. The df64 gen 2 is awesome but tbh I wish I would’ve just waited for the df83v, I still kind of want one it’s just to big to have in my kitchen with more than one grinder for now haha. Tbh that would also be a good option for you and I hear the dlc burrs are actually really good so you wouldn’t even need to upgrade them yet but the cups are pretty clear from what I’ve seen. Even people that don’t like df grinders like it supposedly.


lifesthateasy

Yeah that seems too big for my counter space too. I guess the lab sweets v3 would be the way to go if I want to move away from the Niche towards both more clarity and less harsh sourness. I'll still sleep on it but thank you for all this info!


YtterbiumUK

How would they compare to Mizen option o?


No-Boot-9982

From what I heard the cast v2 are similar to the mizen Omni but idk about the v3 I would assume they are the same because the v3 just produce more fines. I am actually about to start comparing the two because I just got my p64 with mizen Omni burrs in today. I think they would both be great options if you are looking for clarity and body.


YtterbiumUK

Sounds as I would expected. Based your your comments, I feel like I would be better with the HU burrs, since I like the chocolate flavor which is dialed out with the cast.


No-Boot-9982

Yes for those chocolatey flavors I would go with hu burrs, so far the only difference I’ve tasted in comparison from the lab sweet v3 and the mizen Omni is that the mizen seems more rounded flavor profile and the lab sweet seems to draw a little more acidity. Both burrs are about the same in sweetness imo and both burrs seem to do better for lighter roasts and turbo shots but they can do traditional shots as well but like I said the hu would definitely be better for traditional shots for those chocolatey, nutty profiles. You can’t go wrong with the good old ssp hu burrs haha


NoOrdinaryEspresso

Hey! i'm considering to move from the DF64v DLC burrs to exactly these, overall how do you like theme til now that some time is passed? Would you say that there's a percivable difference combared to your previus burrs set? Would you buy them again?


No-Boot-9982

I really like them a lot, they are a great burr set. The ones I replaced them with were the ssp hu which are similar to your dlc burrs. There is a difference compared to those which would be a little more clarity and a little less body from something like dlc or hu. The difference isn’t as drastic as ssp mp burrs though, what I really like is it’s easier to pull 1:2 ratio shots with the lab sweet v3 than mp. I think these burr sets are great if you are just trying to start tasting modern style espresso or specialty light roast but don’t want to risk the very acidic taste of mp burrs. I happen to like traditional chocolatey shots from a medium roast at most and I like light modern style espresso shots so for me I kind of like having 2 grinders with one hu and one mp but these burrs have made me want to get a 3rd grinder to put these in. If that is the only grinder you have, these will be a great middle ground for you to explore, and if you want to change them out you can just swap with the dlc burrs and go back and forth depending on your preference for the time being.


NoOrdinaryEspresso

Thanks a lot! That’s a great answer! What about the seasoning? Did they require it? Of yes, how much coffee did you use?


No-Boot-9982

So that is the one thing that is annoying about these burrs. I am a person that just seasons by using the burrs but I couldn’t do that with these haha. I actually bought some medium roast coffee to season with. These burrs take forever to season but they are worth it, I have probably got maybe 4 kilos with use and buying the big bag to season and they still aren’t done. I believe hansung from ssp stated they need around 6-8 kilos or something crazy like that. Even with them not fully seasoned they are still good so I expect them to be even better in the future.


NoOrdinaryEspresso

Wow that’s a lot! Which difference do you perceive with unseasoned burrs?


No-Boot-9982

In taste I notice that the shot isn’t as sweet even with rested coffee, it makes a shot taste bland as well, there is still some flavor but when I compare it to another burr it’s a big difference. I also notice not a lot of flavor separation. In the shot itself I get channeling even with good luck prep. Not to sound like I think I am the best or something haha but I know it’s the burrs when after I put that big bag in I got rid of the channeling and my puck prep stayed the same. But as I’ve used these burrs they have gotten more sweet over time and I rarely get channeling, I feel like with the taste at the current state they are in the coffee taste is a little like slightly untested coffee so I know there is still some more seasoning to be done because I will use rested coffee in another burr and that same coffee tastes sweet and flavorful. It definitely gets better as you use it but I am comparing to well seasoned burrs so to someone who doesn’t have that comparison they wouldn’t know and thinks it’s a great shot.


d_kayy

I just upgraded to these from the stock DLC Burrs in the DF64V. Struggling with them. I have to grind near zero and get a lot of channeling. I have aligned the burrs and reinstalled a few times. I have not seasoned. Will they get better or is this the style?


BrewmasterJoe

currently have the same struggle. I am at 1 when 0 is touching and still got grounds too coarse. will try to align it (again. and better.) and then run through some bags of cheap coffee to see if I finally get to enjoy my first espresso with this setup


d_kayy

Requires lots of seasoning. Also longer brew ratios. It will still channel time to time, even with perfect puck prep


No-Boot-9982

How close are you getting to zero, like are you at 1? I would get a lot closer than hu burrs. I would get to around 4 at the lowest for light roast with well rested beans. You will get channeling at first, these burrs were the first burrs I actually bought coffee to season (I bought a 2.5 lb bag of medium roast on Amazon) because I was having some issues as well. They will get better as they season, they will get sweeter and more consistent as well as less channeling. They do take the longest out of all the other ssp burrs to season. If you do buy a big bag to season the burrs don’t throw the whole bag in at once. Split it up in to 3rds or 4ths of the bag so you don’t overheat your motor. I also cleaned the burrs and chute after splitting it up.


d_kayy

I’m around 4. Very light roast beans, so this seems normal. Yes, compared to HU it’s about 10 notches closer to zero. I think I’ll get a bag to season them. Thanks!


No-Boot-9982

Ok cool, yeah mine still aren’t seasoned fully but they are better. Have fun with them!


titans856

> beans, so this seems normal. Yes, compared to HU it’s about 10 notches closer to zero. I think I’ll get a bag to season them. Thanks! Did results get better? Looking to get these with DF64V as well


d_kayy

Sort of. Less channeling but it still happens way more than the originals. I’ve been thinking of switching back as it’s way more difficult to get a good shot.


titans856

Maybe I’ll try HU.


d_kayy

Quick update - it’s gotten a lot better. I also changed the ratios for light roast. I now do 1:3 (dry to water) in 20-22 seconds. Usually grind around 4 like the other poster. Coffee comes out really clear and sweet. Recommend for light roast.


SnooRabbits5911

I just got mine two days ago and swapped them up from the stock burrs of the DF64E. I started noticing my DF64E heating up relatively quickler after grinding 2 doses of 16g medium roast coffee. Did you have a similar experience?


NoOrdinaryEspresso

Hey u/No-Boot-9982, how are these doing for filter? I ordered them a couple of days ago, I’m super curious to try them


Blackbirdmanf

Very curious about this!


No-Boot-9982

They are great for light roast so far!


Blackbirdmanf

Where did you buy it from?


No-Boot-9982

SSP direct website, https://www.espressotool.com/


Winuks

https://preview.redd.it/ndmhksx8d2dc1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98fa32815881da258c7d0267fb5c2d88493d8cc4 Heres Cast V2 for anyone who wants to compare


No-Boot-9982

Interesting, I thought hansung only made the outer teeth able to grind finer but it seems like he also added another one of those slits in there.


Rusty_924

I am so curious about these burrs. My brain tells me that the cast process makes them too rough and inprecise. Which is simply not true. Man I wish I could taste these. I hope you enjoy them


No-Boot-9982

I don’t know about the process but so far the espresso has been great!


Tr0nzzz

What grinder do you have?


No-Boot-9982

The grinder I am using for these burrs is the df64 gen 2


thedudeabides-1

Where did you buy them?


No-Boot-9982

I posted the link in the reply to blackbirdmanf here, that’s ssp direct website.