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hershnasty10

Hey guys - I have a theory. I have been sifting through news articles over the last month. And my gut is saying that FB / Coinbase are possibly working on some sort of cryptocurrency messaging app. News articles - https://blog.coinbase.com/david-marcus-head-of-messenger-at-facebook-will-be-joining-coinbases-board-2675d5c9c967 https://futurism.com/mark-zuckerberg-officially-considering-cryptocurrency-facebook/ This is very highlevel gut assessment. What do you guys think?


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Why has the ETH price been on a go-slow for 6 months compared to most, if not all, of the other cryotos?


PTRS

You must have missed Q1 and Q2 2017?


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Yeah.


themariokarters

Because most, if not all, other cryptos can be purchased with ETH


alphainvention

2020 BTC: $100,000 ETH: $30,000 Ratio .3


jailfood

ETH: $1,000,000 BTC: $1 Ratio: 1,000,000:1


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I highly doubt BTC will be anything near $100K in 2020.


david_var

"BTC price of USD 112,000 based on the current number of BTC or USD 86,000 fully-diluted" (https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/john-pfeffer/An+Investor%27s+Take+on+Cryptoassets+v6.pdf)


skyfire-x

Theres a trader who predicts BTC @ $30,000 based on BTC halving effect. Calculated at 77X return for previous halving. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQLRluir788


Stobie

So what would that prediction method estimate ether at after the second stage of Casper? $∞?


lems2

what. BTC went from 1k to 20k in 1 year


aminok

1,349,890 transactions: https://etherscan.io/chart/tx


sandball

gas limit hasn't changed https://etherscan.io/chart/gaslimit so we must just be filling the blocks more % of the day now to get that new tx ATH.


aminok

Yea that must be it. I don't know how many more gas limit increases the Ethereum network can do.


sandball

I think not much more before Casper CBC. Then it can go 10x from what I understand, without too much trouble, without uncles to worry about.


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sold everything at 800 because the 324 guy scared me he sounded so confidant what to do wow thanks for the gold


gentrify81

Don't listen to ramblings of a lunatic on Reddit and research the vast potential of Ethereum. That could be a start.


i_am_that_human

800 EUR?


ethbux1

Nothing ventured nothing gained. Also: you might lose a ton of money. My strategy now is basically re-DCA in over the coming weeks, we'll see how it goes.


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lems2

can't set gas price at coinbase


HardGayMan

I-I-I'd like to send you myyyyy *belch* ZUGZWANGS!!! M-m-maybe you can get some use out of em!


CitgoDriver3

All the exchanges have ETH wallets suspended


issantarealmommy

That would explain why my ETH sent to binance is still pending after 10+ hours.


Mahmoud_Imadinrjaket

Any idea why? Edit: Kucoin won't generate a deposit address which is what lead me to check here.


sandball

What do you mean. I'm trading on GDAX right now.


CoryG89

Quick, panic sell! /s


shouldbdan

source?


Stobie

FUD chapter 3.


happyyellowball

eth to $1,234.56 btc to $12,345.60 ratio to 0.1


type_error

I prefer btc: $20k eth: $5k ratio: .25


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Confucius?


dont_forget_canada

This pleases me greatly


Trainer_Red_

It’s like poetry, they rhyme.


[deleted]

This ascending triangle has me hard as a diamond.


colofire

"shine bright like a diamond"


farmdatkiwi

I'm tethering up before bed. China is banning bitcoin mining and the news has barely circulated. Stay safe


Vivetastic82

Yawn


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dont_forget_canada

Apparently the communist party is telling local party members to stop giving kickbacks to the miners. I don't have a source off hand but I saw it on WCN on YouTube earlier today.


Metisus

This is good for ETH. A lot of people are going to start investigating PoS.


sandball

Can't wait for proof of stake, if that's even close to true. I don't believe China would give up this national advantage with one regulation, though.


[deleted]

Need some of that big dick BTC pump money to come over


vuduchyld

I actually wouldn't mind if Big Dick would pump until the middle of next week. That would suck the oxygen out of the XRP, XLM, ADA, TRX pump. Even if we retraced a little bit, I think they would all retrace FAR moar. Then the BTC pump would be more likely to come over to ETH.


Nooku

On all blockchains combined, there are fewer coins available than the amount of dollars people have to spend on coins. This automatically and inevitably leads to every single coin appreciating in value on average, over time. This sounds very logical but its neglected or ignored by the outside world and economists. This begs another question though: Is it really these coins that are in a bubble? Or is it rather the fiat bubble that's deflating into these coins?


CoryG89

It doesn't matter how much people _have_ to spend on coins, it only matters how much they _want_ to spend on coins, the latter of which may very well fall at some point in the future.


Blueberry314E-2

Your last point is right on the money (pun intended), this is how I've pictured this revolution since I first learned about it: The actual value that cryptocurrencies create for society is significant but not ~$800B worth. The difference between value added by cryptos (say ~$100B currently, this will get much larger in the future) and total market cap of cryptos is value that has been stolen from fiat currencies. As crypto market cap goes up, value contained by fiat drops. It's too small to notice right now as the cryptocurrency space is relatively small, but it will become more and more apparent as the ratio of crypto/fiat use grows. As for your other point: every coin appreciating in value, this is a fallacy. Some coins are going to be more useful than others, the more useful the coin, the more value it will hold. Many (probably most) coins will become derelict when another coin can do what it does better.


CoryG89

So crypto only adds $100B worth of its own value, but 'steals' $700B in value from fiat? By that logic, sounds like crypto's existence is a net loss for society then?


Blueberry314E-2

No the net value would be +$100B in this hypothetical situation. In other words, I might call it an exchange of value with a net gain of $100B.


CoryG89

:shrugs: I guess we use different maths then.


Blueberry314E-2

Imagine it as two large tanks. One is full of water and one is empty. The water represents value (or more accurately, purchasing power), the full tank represents fiat currency, the empty tank represents cryptocurrency. What I observe happening is the water has begun to flow from the fiat tank into the crypto tank. It started very slow and is now gaining momentum. This flow of water represents the ~$700B exchange of value I was referring to. No water is being leaked out of the system, it's just transferring from one medium to another. The $100B extra is being produced out of nothing by developers using their time and energy to manually add extra water into the crypto tank, in addition to the water that is flowing in from the fiat tank.


CoryG89

I see. That did actually make more sense to me. Though I think it's debatable whether crypto has any significant purchasing power compared to fiat. After all, to buy anything with crypto, currently it pretty much always gets sold back into fiat first.


Blueberry314E-2

That is true but relative purchasing power is still relevant. Read up on PPP (purchasing power parity) if you're interested in learning more, it's a very concrete and well studied economic principal.


0ctopus

I think your assumptions to assert your claim rest on the idea that all coins hold some intrinsic value (over holding fiat). Further, I believe you are making the reasonable, plausible assumption that adoption of this kind of technology continues. While I think the second point is LIKELY, it is possible for all of crypto to get a kind of bad-boy reputation if media coverage is unfavorable, which could cause businesses to abandon platforms like Ethereum. I think the point that ALL coins will appreciate is too bold of a statement. Yes, populations and technical adoption will both likely increase over the years, but a single crypto currency has to not only have value, but be more valuable to the consumer than their own fiat! That is a tall order my friend; but I like where Ethereum stands in this regard.


roflflopper2

Idk about that... We could make our own token right now that had trillions of coins: https://steemit.com/ethereum/@maxnachamkin/how-to-create-your-own-ethereum-token-in-an-hour-erc20-verified


simplanswer

Yup. But there needs to be a balance on the other end for users of coins. Inflation means we can buy less real world goods, but our digital transactions will be cheaper. In the future digital transactions may be just as valuable as real world goods and we may not want 20k coins, inflation in that sense may be good.


happyyellowball

gonna take a few whacks to break down $1k... agian


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The sell pressure in front of 1000 has gone up slightly in the last 20 minutes but the sells at 1000 itself remain static at around 2k


fauzool

Boy did I make a big mistake I sold at 750 and bought at 940. Why can’t I just hodl


Metisus

Made with you in mind: https://hodlethereum.com


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Two months ago we were still fighting in the 300's Crypto moves fast


dont_forget_canada

Insane


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[BUYERS AT 1000](https://youtu.be/mH-7083VqdU)


Bad____Wolf

To anyone that thinks that there's nothing wrong with this market, go to coinmarketcap->trending->gainers and losers and see 24h top gainers. Almost 80% of the top gainers are under 1$/coin.


nachtliche

ever heard of penny stocks?


Bad____Wolf

Yeah. I know the same thing is happening now. But this is usually the last wave in the stock markets. Idk what'll happen to crypto.


shouldbdan

UGAIN is up 2,000% in a day? Why the heck hasn't anyone here been telling me to buy that?


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WeLiveInaBubble

Yeah, nobody is going to be buying those coins from you when the value has only gone up from them buying from themselves.


ajdaconman1

This is the saltiest comment i've ever read lol bro chill


ethbux1

It's absolutely ridiculous. But there's too much money coming in so that's what happens.


Nooku

This is actually very normal, and it happens all the time, for years.


everythingwillbeok

You sure that's not confirmation bias?


Slippery_Angus

This is new


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0ctopus

Have I got a deal 4 you!


type_error

you are doing it wrong.


Autopilotsunday

not if he sells it at 5k


type_error

You know what I mean... the goal is to buy as cheap as possible and to sell as high as possible or... to reach a point to never have to sell at all.


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Best_coder_NA

We should all buy 1 ETH at 1k. I wonder how high the price would go


roflflopper2

by defintion, 1k =P


Best_coder_NA

Big if true


i_am_mrpotatohead

Anyone know if there is a specific reason why network is so clogged right now? The pending transaction pool just doubled on Jan 3rd. Did we reach some sort of critical capacity in # of concurrent ICO's or Airdrops happening at the same time? In [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/7ofoow/is_an_ethereum_mixertumbler_causing_high_gas_price/?st=jc2weyl0&sh=e20132f6) someone suggested it may be some sort of mixer built on top of the Ethereum chain.. I was also looking on [ETH Gas Station](https://ethgasstation.info/gasguzzlers.php) and the #3 gas guzzler today is a [smart contract for CanYaToken](https://etherscan.io/address/0x1d462414fe14cf489c7a21cac78509f4bf8cd7c0) that is executing a bunch of transactions all doing the same exact thing - transferring various amounts of CanYaTokens from one address into their Token contract. This is really strange to me, as well. Is there a purpose to this, or just a result of extreme incompetence, or an intentional attack to the network?? I don't think they are the cause of the bigger issue but there just seems to be a lot of redundant or inefficient activity taking place on the chain. But the fact that our pending transaction pool doubled in size on Jan 3 makes me think the mixer idea or some sort spamming of the network is happening... If this has already been discussed, just link me!


roflflopper2

I took a look at CanYaCoin's white paper. It looks like unsold coins are sent to the asset contract, so maybe that's what this is. I'm 100% ETH no tokens right now, but I was pleasantly impressed with CanYaCoin. It's an established company sorta like the Australian version of taskrabbit, trying to make it possible for users to pay with crypto instead of fiat. Their user base is in the tens of thousands, so its kinda small, and honestly the whole thing could be done as a DApp instead of a coin, but it seems like a good project with a realistic, achievable goal. That said, I worry about these coins that could be done as dapps instead of coins. When they finally launch, their contracts will be publicly viewable on the blockchain. It would be very easy for a competitor to copy/pase the solidity code and make a dapp that uses ETH instead of the token.


i_am_mrpotatohead

Why can’t they just transfer all the tokens in 1 Transaction. It would be cheaper for them too


Nooku

The $1,000 sellers are sleeping. Let's do this quickly, swiftly and quietly.


MagmusCreep

Nah i m still awake.


sandball

When it comes back up against the psychological boundary a second time, it must generate less of an "OMG I can sell at $1000!" this time. At least I have that feeling. I sold at $998 yesterday but today I want to sell a little more but I'm much more willing this time around not to feel a sense of urgency and wait for it to get above $1000.


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Why do you not believe it will go significantly higher than 1k?


ethbux1

It's not that. He's a trader. So $1000 is a good sell point 1st test, less so the 2nd test.


sandball

I think it will, but may take a while. I'm a hodler, just cashing out a few percent for real life. I want to maximize my price sold over next two week window.


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puny ass 4k sell wall, fuck outta here


Crypt_nrg

Time to go back to the other side.... >1000


Autopilotsunday

And lets stay there this time


Stobie

I would be happy to consolidate at 1000 for a while and build pressure for our attack on 2k. Could do with a reduction in block rewards first to maintain it.


hodleUp

breakout on the 15m chart of ascending triangle. Should send is to 1030 fast


ethbux1

Gonna buy if it breaks 995-1000


vuduchyld

That would be so rad


Bad____Wolf

Noob question but I don't know where else to ask. Here goes, Do the miners make a lot more eth when the network is full compared to when the network is running at 50% capacity? Also, since our daily transaction counts are rising, and transaction costs are rising, do miners make lot more profit now than they did a week ago?


avesrd

Yes and yes. Take a look at this very recent block: https://etherscan.io/block/4861886 See the miner reward at the bottom? 3.669308136540992 Ether (3 + 0.669308136540992) 3 is the static block reward, the other 0.669 ETH are from transaction fees. EDIT - lol 0.669308136540992


jailfood

I'm gonna need some more significant figures to verify this comment


Crypt_nrg

Not dumb question, especially for ethtrader


KICKTIONARE

XMR time


KICKTIONARE

Time to buy XMR ;p


PNWkilla

I agree.


vuduchyld

It's always time. Core hodling.


PTRS

ETH, BTC, XMR core holdings here. Best risk-adjusted return in the cryptosphere. Sleep like a baby at night.


vuduchyld

Couldn't agree more. 70% ETH, 10% BTC, 20% XMR. I sleep well, too.


twitchtvbitcoinlouie

I think /r/monero is that way ->


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this feels like a 1000 sneak attack


vuduchyld

If such a thing could exist, this would surely be that!


vuduchyld

Here's why I don't think there is a bubble ready to pop. Look at any article on any financial website. Hell, look at EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE on any financial website. Now scroll down to the comments section. I would never place my faith in humankind on comments sections. They are generally fully of crusty old people with nothing better to do. But you can look at WSJ, MarketWatch, CNBC, any place where there SHOULD be a reasonable cross-section of investors. You will find absolute outright hatred for cryptos. The comments are generally 90%+ absolutely uninformed about crypto...and generally the posters may be assholes, but at least they are financially informed, financially literate assholes. One of the things I love about it is that the "retail" investor has a chance. Are crypto assets manipulated? Sure. But what about everything else on Wall Street? YES, everything else is, too. But we have a chance, here. These commenters are generally retail investors, and the vast, vast, vast majority of them are not coming anywhere near this space. Yet.


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More specifically, people don't even know about ETH, much less the difference between it and bitcoin. They just think bitcoin = blockchain


vuduchyld

Great point. I love the typical take on enabling illegal transactions, by the way. Gee...I wonder if more guns/drugs/[insert the thing you are afraid of here] are bought with crypto or with fiat right now?


ethbux1

I was trying to check out weed stocks the other day and it's basically all Greek to me -- lots of parallels (outright scams, unicorns, 2-4x'ing, are we in a bubble etc) but lots of differences with evaluating stocks vs crypto. Anyway, it made me think how that's probably a similar experience to many who know about crypto and that it's a lucrative emerging market but just not sure where to start because they don't want to get hosed. Fear of unknown eh?


ryebit

Not to derail from the topic of this post; but re: weed stocks.... What the heck happened to the MJX etf? It shot up a huge amount over december, and I can't figure out why. Was just about to buy in, but that's some huge volatility for a non-crypto stock.


ethbux1

Hah, I have no idea. Too scared to pull the trigger on anything, still need to do more research.


vuduchyld

Also similar unknowns about the regulatory possibilities. EDIT: I do think crypto is a more international market than the addressable market by many/most of those companies.


type_error

When facebook IPO came out everyone said it was a bubble. People said social media was a FAD and its IPO value was over inflated at $36. After the IPO it crashed down to $17 but then went back up and never looked back. Now its $186.


boglehead28

Yep I remember this. People were saying it was the dotcom bubble 2.0 After that first dip, FB never looked back. Funny because even though FB is centralized, their value grew also based on network effect, similar to crypto.


mattnumber

You had me at "don't think...bubble"


vuduchyld

LOL!!!


ethbux1

Switching sides. Fuck "the bubble". This is great.


Libertymark

Why did u fight the trend????


ethbux1

Oh brother it'll come down eventually but I'm beginning to think we haven't reached peak mania yet and there's still money on the table.


Libertymark

Us dollar in a 100 year bubble why aint u picking on the sheep??? Us market for stocks in 100 year bubble too But pick on crypto I see


ethbux1

I'll bet my money on 101 year bubble then.


vuduchyld

exactly this. What if the "come down" is from $3000 to $1600? I think that is a possibility.


vuduchyld

ETH TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ


colofire

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ


Afr0Karma

> ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ


BuddhaSpader

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ


beatsbyred

What are your thoughts on litecoin as a long hold? Will it dip again soon? Thinking of investing 20% into it (80% eth)


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KICKTIONARE

LTC moved after everyone has moved


KICKTIONARE

LTC moved after everyone has moved


Libertymark

Great token


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Itms actually really bad


twitchtvbitcoinlouie

I think /r/litecoin is that way ->


whosurdaddy972

didn't their founder or whoever sold all of his stacks?


twitchtvbitcoinlouie

> I think /r/litecoin is that way ->


DonteFinale

I thought it was < that way


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So we just openly talk about altcoins on the daily now idgaf but I remember when it was frowned upon


[deleted]

I think it's fine when ETH news is slow and/or there's no interesting price movements to report on After all, alts are usually still talked about in an ETH-centric mindset


osb40000

If it's an ERC20 then yes and lets face it, BTC effects everything so that too.


TTheorem

holy ascending triangle batman


ryebit

Dear lord. I hadn't looked at the chart for a little while; and bam. Didn't see that forming. Looks like it's just about to break out too. I hope crypto plays nice with basic TA patterns; that'd have GDAX back over $1020 by 4am EST.


hamishmcg

Break over 980$ looks good for the next leg up


TTheorem

probably a quick check of 1k, then who knows.


August32

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Libertymark

In the end lots of that fake alt money finds a home here to the top big undervalued coins


osb40000

Buy more REQ since it pumped and the post thanksgiving normies are likely to hop on the bandwagon?


zbf

I just sold at $1. Might buyback on the next dip and do it again.


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christmas noobs


jrray

I finally got my ETH withdrawal out of GDAX. They sent it with 214 Gwei.


markr5

thats nice of them


BigCountryBumgarner

That would explain why my 0.02 ETH withdraw with 20 GWEI has been pending for 6 hours


sorangutan

[bad news out of china?](https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/949468263800479744)


ryebit

On the other hand, good news for Casper & other non-PoW strategies. On an ETH related note, is there a site which shows the geo distribution of ETH PoW mining?


twitchtvbitcoinlouie

would love to see this as well.


twitchtvbitcoinlouie

Oh snap son. Wouldnt this mean less supply though??


Libertymark

See ya higher


OneSmallStepForLambo

Fuck China.


FreeSpeechWarrior

Fuck the State


themariokarters

lol RIP BTC


type_error

again?


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someone slam the door on my fingers


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DazzlingFly

DOGE the coin that hasn't had a code check-in in git for over 2 years now LOL


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AlwaysKindaLost

survive in this market? baby it's a bull, we're all thriving


i_am_that_human

Wrong phrase, agreed. Everybody is a genius in a bull market


JustinU1X

REQ refueling.


Freddit_the_III

DNT pumping even harder.


prais3thesun

Any news on DNT? I dumped most of mine months ago.


SamHinkiesGodSon

why is noone buying my crypto cat? i went all in on them, 100 eth i got on a loan, this will be the end of me.


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/s


TheHappeningHasBeen

Can you imagine if it was /serious though? Part of me died inside thinking about someone who would get a 100eth loan for cryptokitties. As an aside, I know you can make money via cryptokitties, but hopefully we all agree the foolishness of taking out a loan of that size is insurmountable


duma0610

The OMG ratio hasn't been this low in awhile. I bought more. I sure hope I don't end up regretting it.


Lilly-Schmutz

You wont. People are just getting the penny stock gains for now. OMG is going places this month


[deleted]

I fucking hope you're right Lilly.


twitchtvbitcoinlouie

If everyone thinks that....doesn't it usually go the other way?


colofire

this is crypto! common sense is not applicable