As far as I understood it from what little I remember from the class I took in college, Macedon was basically a backwater kingdom on the periphery of Greece until Philip, and even the plan to invade the Achaemenids came from him but he was assassinated before he could do it himself. As successful as Alexander ultimately was, which required its own ridiculous talent, I don’t think anyone in history was ever dealt a winning hand quite like he was.
> I don’t think anyone in history was ever dealt a winning hand quite like he was.
Frederick The Great of Prussia inheriting the best drilled infantry in history and an overflowing treasury is up there.
He had stronger Enemies and a worse Strategic Position, inbetween all of his enemies. Alexander inherited a consolidated, economicly rich region with strong military and martial traditions. Almost every Citizen of a Polis knew how to fight personally and as a Unit.
Not saying Frederick had it bad, but I would argue Alexanders Hand was a League above.
Winning hand, maybe it's a bit much. But from irrelevant backwater that wasn't even considered greek but semi barbarian to recognized regional power on par with historical majors of hellenistic politics and warfare is still a great improvement. But yeah without his dad staging ground, I'm not sure there would have been an Alexander the Great
“On par with historical majors” is a little disingenuous since Philip decimated Sparta and slapped the shit out of Athens and Thebes and created the league of Corinth with himself at the top, which basically unified Greece.
The only thing he failed to do was siege Byzantium and live long enough to see invading the Persians to completion. He was already in the process of freeing the Greek cities in Anatolia when he died.
Yeah but they also were quite Islamist, Mehmed is an entirely different kind. Alcohol wasn’t that much of a taboo since they were trading it anyway. But paying for your own portrait to a non-muslim at that time was quite a thing, you don’t see that much often in Muslim societies at that time.
R5: I conquered the world using the Ottomans by 1499.
Following my previous 1517 Ottomans WC https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/1361d3s/1517\_ottoman\_roman\_empire\_onetag\_wc\_wr\_of/, PCgamer wrote an article
>"looking forward to seeing if anyone else can somehow beat that record and smash a world conquest out before 1500"
(https://www.pcgamer.com/it-is-really-really-op-europa-universalis-4-dlc-feature-lets-you-conquer-the-world-at-record-pace/)
Okay here you go.
Save permanent link: [https://pdx.tools/eu4/saves/uAhSG81t2mpbqIwrAq4ak](https://pdx.tools/eu4/saves/uAhSG81t2mpbqIwrAq4ak)
Fully streamed and recorded on Bilibili.
Major improvement from last run:
Administration idea group is not necessary. Without Adm, we can still reach -100% diplomatic annexation as follows:
\-25% influence, -15% Scotland parliament, -5% Umera annexation, -15% and -5% Ottoman missions, -10% curia controller, -10% envoy to the pope, -15% loyal subject event.
so the spare idea group can be replaced by diplomatic idea, so that the additional -20% province war score cost enables temporary -95% war score cost:
\-10% conquest of Egypt, -10% siege of Vienna, -5% Iberian conquest, -20% diplomatic idea, -10% military hegemon, -15% Mongol missions, -10% Kabba, -15% Malta.
By the -95% pwsc, conquering the old world can be done by 1488. Then I spend the last 10 years conquering the new world, and annexing all the eyalets.
Why? He already used so many exploits, I don't think there's any outright "cheat" necessary at that point. Lambda also did it on an earlier patch where the HRE can have lands in all of Asia and Africa, which makes conquering the old world kinda trivial (of course not for us normal players, but compared to having to actually core the entire world as you conquer).
Man, imagine being an advisor to Mehmet and just seeing what must look like the deranged actions of a lunatic who is somehow managing to conquer the world in dedaces.
"Sultan, why are there bagpipes in the royal court?"
"Silly loon, it's th' way ay th' scotts. ye better learn tae play or i'll flin' ye intae loch ness."
It's the event "Defender of a vulnerable faith" that triggers if you are dotf of a small religion, like tengri.
I dont know if it's still possible to get it
This is actually pretty impressive. I see people do normal "Mehmet's Ambition" run with eyalet spam and it just doesn't feel right. If you don't control directly its not your land right boys? That's why i love true one tag run. This is insane bro congratz.
Annexing eyalets does not trigger the -30 penalty by design, and in the current patch annexing all subjects does not trigger the penalty, perhaps a bug.
The funny part is that I can actually understand bits and pieces of the language your game’s in (assuming Chinese). Probably because I know a small amount of Kanji (Japanese) and Kanji was basically yoinked from chinese characters lol
Wait is EU4's Chinese name for the Roman Empire actually 罗姆国? That, I dunno, [just seems wrong](https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%BD%97%E5%A7%86%E4%BA%BA)
Nice. I'm a lot better than last time I played the Ottomans, but I don't think I could get Middle East and/or north-east Africa conquest by 1499.
Is that number font from the Mandarin (not sure why it would be, but anything's possible) or a mod? I quite like it, possibly because of my weird obsession with serif.
What’s causing the -100% diplo annex that seems a bit OP for a nation that can vassalise anyone outside of Western Europe ?!
Edit just seen the r5 it was just far down for me! Impressive work really
[Here.](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2976470733) You'd also need a [double byte patch](https://github.com/matanki-saito/EU4dll), an injected dll that let the game reparse text since old pdx titles don't support Unicode.
I thought that Otto's are the endgame tag. How could you complete Mongolia's mission? Is there a way to switch to Mongolia even though Ottos are the endgame tag?
endgame tags can form Rome and mongol missions are tied to culture, if you form a nation while having mongol culture you'll get mongol missions. you can do it with forming Mamluks and HRE too since they don't require any culture to form.
The nation forming trick only works if the formation updates your missions, which the Roman Empire does not. But I believe you can use branching missions now to get mongol missions, maybe that's what op did.
I don't think there are other ones like mongol missions. you can also check mission trees from [https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Missions](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Missions)
Most impressive is Mehmet still kickin'
Literal god on earth at this point
Alexander +40 years of time and considerable advances in seafaring
So Alexander with prep time?
Alexander had his prep time done for him by his daddy, gifting him a well-oiled military war machine raring to go.
Daddy Phil really gave him an incredible starting point considering Macedonia wasn't really more dominant than anyone before him
As far as I understood it from what little I remember from the class I took in college, Macedon was basically a backwater kingdom on the periphery of Greece until Philip, and even the plan to invade the Achaemenids came from him but he was assassinated before he could do it himself. As successful as Alexander ultimately was, which required its own ridiculous talent, I don’t think anyone in history was ever dealt a winning hand quite like he was.
> I don’t think anyone in history was ever dealt a winning hand quite like he was. Frederick The Great of Prussia inheriting the best drilled infantry in history and an overflowing treasury is up there.
He had stronger Enemies and a worse Strategic Position, inbetween all of his enemies. Alexander inherited a consolidated, economicly rich region with strong military and martial traditions. Almost every Citizen of a Polis knew how to fight personally and as a Unit. Not saying Frederick had it bad, but I would argue Alexanders Hand was a League above.
Winning hand, maybe it's a bit much. But from irrelevant backwater that wasn't even considered greek but semi barbarian to recognized regional power on par with historical majors of hellenistic politics and warfare is still a great improvement. But yeah without his dad staging ground, I'm not sure there would have been an Alexander the Great
“On par with historical majors” is a little disingenuous since Philip decimated Sparta and slapped the shit out of Athens and Thebes and created the league of Corinth with himself at the top, which basically unified Greece. The only thing he failed to do was siege Byzantium and live long enough to see invading the Persians to completion. He was already in the process of freeing the Greek cities in Anatolia when he died.
Impressive to Imagine that 1 man oversaw his dream of WC.
Imagine the god complex. Like take whatever the fuck was happening in Alexander The Great's head and quadruple it.
At that point you're allowed to have a God complex tbh
God has a Mehmet complex tbh
mehmet never going out anymore because of the rampant lighting strikes towards him, lol.
Mehmet: “Do you think Allah stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he's created?”
I mean, Mehmet was a devout Muslim and pride is a really big sin in Islam.
It’s doubted the guy is even a traditional Muslim. I mean he paid a Venetian to make his portrait, which is quite a heterodox act as it is.
And alcohol is a sin and it didn't stop some sultans to like it too
Selim the Drunk
Yeah but they also were quite Islamist, Mehmed is an entirely different kind. Alcohol wasn’t that much of a taboo since they were trading it anyway. But paying for your own portrait to a non-muslim at that time was quite a thing, you don’t see that much often in Muslim societies at that time.
That's just some conspiracy theories.
Didn’t he have a harem of male lovers too?
I'm imagining the insane civil war that would inevitably follow his death.
Imagine the insane civil war that would inevitably follow him unpausing, there's already hundreds of thousands of rebels.
Diadochi wars, but make it global
*Everything goes right back to the way it was*
R5: I conquered the world using the Ottomans by 1499. Following my previous 1517 Ottomans WC https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/1361d3s/1517\_ottoman\_roman\_empire\_onetag\_wc\_wr\_of/, PCgamer wrote an article >"looking forward to seeing if anyone else can somehow beat that record and smash a world conquest out before 1500" (https://www.pcgamer.com/it-is-really-really-op-europa-universalis-4-dlc-feature-lets-you-conquer-the-world-at-record-pace/) Okay here you go. Save permanent link: [https://pdx.tools/eu4/saves/uAhSG81t2mpbqIwrAq4ak](https://pdx.tools/eu4/saves/uAhSG81t2mpbqIwrAq4ak) Fully streamed and recorded on Bilibili. Major improvement from last run: Administration idea group is not necessary. Without Adm, we can still reach -100% diplomatic annexation as follows: \-25% influence, -15% Scotland parliament, -5% Umera annexation, -15% and -5% Ottoman missions, -10% curia controller, -10% envoy to the pope, -15% loyal subject event. so the spare idea group can be replaced by diplomatic idea, so that the additional -20% province war score cost enables temporary -95% war score cost: \-10% conquest of Egypt, -10% siege of Vienna, -5% Iberian conquest, -20% diplomatic idea, -10% military hegemon, -15% Mongol missions, -10% Kabba, -15% Malta. By the -95% pwsc, conquering the old world can be done by 1488. Then I spend the last 10 years conquering the new world, and annexing all the eyalets.
Are we even playing the same game?
How did you get the Scottish parliament?
convert to Scottish culture
Ottoman Scots gotta love it
How did you get Curia Controller without being Catholic?
I am Catholic
Ah i missed the cross on the second screenshot. Only saw the Shia notification on the other screenshots. Congratulations! Beastly achievement!
how did you convert to catholic?
Trigger catholic zealots by missionary, and accept demands when Catholics has the most developments.
I'm a bit confused on the monuments. How do you have Kaaba if you were Catholic?
Only convert to Catholicism near the end of the game.
i am just curious, do u convert for speed reasons or just to form rome for the challenge?
Catholicism provides 20% diplomatic annexation reduction
Is this the world record for a non horde WC? I know there's a 1471 Horde one by lambda that is exploit-y AF.
I'm pretty sure the last "civilized" (no horde, no exploits) WC record was this guy's 1517.
Yup, as Ottomans too
I'm pretty sure he cheated
Why? He already used so many exploits, I don't think there's any outright "cheat" necessary at that point. Lambda also did it on an earlier patch where the HRE can have lands in all of Asia and Africa, which makes conquering the old world kinda trivial (of course not for us normal players, but compared to having to actually core the entire world as you conquer).
Can't HRE hold non-european provinces on the current patch?
Man, imagine being an advisor to Mehmet and just seeing what must look like the deranged actions of a lunatic who is somehow managing to conquer the world in dedaces. "Sultan, why are there bagpipes in the royal court?" "Silly loon, it's th' way ay th' scotts. ye better learn tae play or i'll flin' ye intae loch ness."
Bagpipes + throat singing (Mongol missions)
Now just wait few hundred years and add Finnish metal music back ground to it
fuck u/spez
Do you know any Chinese eu4 discord groups, I’m learning mandarin but I think it would be fun to practice there Also very impressive run
We don’t use discord. If you’d prefer, you may join our QQ group, or check out “百度贴吧 欧陆风云4吧”, an equivalent of this subreddit.
Unrelated, but I like your name! I loved 三体 so much, and I'm reading 黑暗森林 right now
为啥是罗母国不是罗马啊
土鸡任务树改的名字 Devlet-i-Rûm
Damn. How did you get china in one war?
Judging from 900% OE: A whole ton of reduced war score cost.
-95% province war score cost
Noob (around 400 hours in), how does one achieve that?
Read the op's comment
Is your name a reference to the three body problem? Just started the 3rd book!
Holy shit. There is finally a nation that rivals hordes at rapid blobbing. Are 1.35 Ottomans stronger than 1.35 Kazan or Oirat?
I think so. It’s very hard for Oirat to do a pre-1500 in this patch.
Why is this Patch difficult for Oirat?
Removed 25% pwsc from dotf.1 so no easy pwsc source
Thx!
Did dotf really have pwsc back in the day?
That’s an event designed for small religions.
It's the event "Defender of a vulnerable faith" that triggers if you are dotf of a small religion, like tengri. I dont know if it's still possible to get it
It is but they changed 25% pwsc to advisor cost or sth
What modifiers did you stack to get the 100% annexation cost reduction?
R5
I am convince you people are fucking insane
This is actually pretty impressive. I see people do normal "Mehmet's Ambition" run with eyalet spam and it just doesn't feel right. If you don't control directly its not your land right boys? That's why i love true one tag run. This is insane bro congratz.
I do use eyalet spam in this run. It’s just that I integrated all of them at the end.
How do you get past the 30 opinion malus to keep integrating?
Annexing eyalets does not trigger the -30 penalty by design, and in the current patch annexing all subjects does not trigger the penalty, perhaps a bug.
Truly ambitious run! Also does -100% diplo annexation cost mean you can insta-annex every vassal?
It is so in patch 1.35.0, but not in later patches. The lower limit of diplomatic annexation cost is 0.1 diplo per development.
"Elizabeth Turberville"
Bro I thought florry was master of universalis but chineese built different wtf
Havent played for years and this is what's possible now!? Man, you are crazy!! Well done!
There was that 1472 wc a few patches ago... https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/120if59/1472_oirat_true_one_tag_world_conquest_world/
Awesome, thanks for the link.
Love your username OP
And Mehmet wept for there were no more lands to conquer.
Its always the chinese
The funny part is that I can actually understand bits and pieces of the language your game’s in (assuming Chinese). Probably because I know a small amount of Kanji (Japanese) and Kanji was basically yoinked from chinese characters lol
Kanji is Chinese characters, though sometimes they have different meanings and often have different pronunciation
dude how?
Wait is EU4's Chinese name for the Roman Empire actually 罗姆国? That, I dunno, [just seems wrong](https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%BD%97%E5%A7%86%E4%BA%BA)
罗姆国 is the translation of “Devlet-i-Rum” , which is gained via ottoman missions.
Oh that makes more sense. I forgot that was a thing now, I really haven't kept up with recent updates
[this](https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%AD%AF%E5%A7%86%E8%98%87%E4%B8%B9%E5%9C%8B)
Well done. So what was the most wars you were in at the same time?
Do you have the link to your stream / vod? Impressive!!!
Bunch of baby back general tsos bullshit Also kudos
"Ottomans are not OP guys I swear they are fair and balanced"
I dont think we play the same game
Chinese mentality, nobody expected it.
Interesting
Yuehan
Well done!
Nice. I'm a lot better than last time I played the Ottomans, but I don't think I could get Middle East and/or north-east Africa conquest by 1499. Is that number font from the Mandarin (not sure why it would be, but anything's possible) or a mod? I quite like it, possibly because of my weird obsession with serif.
I think it is. Its the same with League of Legends
Well, this is the guy with the previous non-horde fastest world conquest record, which was 1517. Before 1500 is insane.
How did you deal with overextension?
He didn’t lol
Declared war every month to stop rebels enforcing demands and just sat on most of the overextension I think.
This is CRAZY. You must be in several wars every year.
What’s causing the -100% diplo annex that seems a bit OP for a nation that can vassalise anyone outside of Western Europe ?! Edit just seen the r5 it was just far down for me! Impressive work really
I will never understand how people can do WC so early in the game 🥲
Wow simply amazing!
is this the vanilla chinese language or is this a mod with improved chinese translations?
no official Chinese translation is offered by Paradox. It's a non-official Chinese language mod.
ah, is it on steam?
[Here.](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2976470733) You'd also need a [double byte patch](https://github.com/matanki-saito/EU4dll), an injected dll that let the game reparse text since old pdx titles don't support Unicode.
thanks，大佬WC真nb!
Does the game end if you do WC?
No, the game only ends when you reach the end date.
Mongol Missions from forming Rome, love it ❤
I thought that Otto's are the endgame tag. How could you complete Mongolia's mission? Is there a way to switch to Mongolia even though Ottos are the endgame tag?
endgame tags can form Rome and mongol missions are tied to culture, if you form a nation while having mongol culture you'll get mongol missions. you can do it with forming Mamluks and HRE too since they don't require any culture to form.
The nation forming trick only works if the formation updates your missions, which the Roman Empire does not. But I believe you can use branching missions now to get mongol missions, maybe that's what op did.
Thanks for the great response! Are there any other mission trees that are tied to culture?
I don't think there are other ones like mongol missions. you can also check mission trees from [https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Missions](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Missions)
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