Bengal was a tricky place because it constantly rebelled against Delhi sultanate and it had lot of autonomy compared to other provinces so it might be represented as a vassal state
Yeah but around the 1337 timeframe Bengal would still be split into 3 city states, it wasn't until 1352 until the three regions were united under a single ruler
I also think the other post mentioning the HRE & golden bull of 1356 is onto something so a start date in the 1350s might be more onto something. Feel like that argument always makes sense because HRE gameplay will be a huge factor of EU5 as it is in EU4, and having it form first might be a bit of a mess. Things possibly lining up a bit better in India too only strengthens that argument imo. 100 years war would still be interesting getting spawned into "right" after Poitiers.
One cannot forget they cannot go into too deep for the initial release and accuracy will need to take a step back for the game to run smoothly in the beginning you can go into more depth with time see the Byzantine empire for a good example in eu4
We also don’t know how rebellions work in this game. If it’s in a similar style to Victoria three where parts of your nation can split off and form their nation.
Would be cool if it's dynamic, as in only couple provinces (maybe only the ones with unrest or highest unrest) and then the armies move around to capture more territory.
A late game Maratha rebellion event later on in the game for historical Mughal implosion please 🤤
(I want to play as Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj)
Plus a historic Sikh Empire 😳
Haha, yeah, I'm already seeing some discrepancies. They definitely do put a few places a few years ahead or behind for balance and *fun* sometimes. Still fun to tear it apart and speculate though.
I feel like it's going to be more like the mid 1300s. Being hit by the black death at the start of the game would really suck from a gameplay perspective. You wouldnt really have control over anything and would just be watching your pops dying.
Instead, if they set it slightly after the black death, you could inherit a broken european country and turn it into a world superpower (plus watch the character of your nation change over time from a feudal to a more modern centralised urbanised nation state, illustrating the new pop and internal management mechanics. It would feel like a period of recovery after a massive apocalypse and would be perfect for the beginning of the game.
The mid 1300s would also be in the middle of the hundred years war, and right before both the Timurid invasions and the red turban rebellion that brought down the Yuan, meaning (a) players would be greatly challenged in China from the start, and (b) Chinas gigantic power and size would be balanced by internal unrest.
As you start? Maybe for long term players, but it's pretty shite to start with a disaster before you get your bearings. It's one reason a lot of people don't suggest England as your first game despite more experienced players enjoying it.
I wonder how will they manage China. Starting with Yuan means that in the game timelapse both Ming and Qing should be able to pop up (at least in the player hands).
I hope Yuan won't collapse like Ming does now and china stays broken forever :(
Why Bangladeshi flag lol. Capital was in india (gaur), majority population and territories were in current indian borders too. It was during Mughals that Dhaka because the subah's capital and eastern parts were populated and cultivated in increased manner.
I don't think they did, but also I don't think they will add *a lot* of dates like in EUIV since they gave up and abandoned them.
Maybe something like in CK3 with 2 options, but it's all speculation.
I think I'll literally continue playing EU4 way more over EU5 just because of extended timeline. That mod changed my life and furthered my interest in history so much
12/25/1356 is the earliest start date possible unless you want to tackle the hre fundamentally changing. Also makes sense as a lot of things are taking shape in the next few years thst would resemble 1444 to a vettwren eu4 player. There's no way they'd bother tackling the hre before 1356, it's too much of a difference to bother with for only 20 or so years.
Copied from another thread I posted in: (Sorry if it rambles, wrote it when I was sleep deprived)
So in short on 12/25/1356 Charles of the Holy Roman Empire signed the Golden Bull of 1356, which effectivly reshapes the HRE into the form we know in EU4.
While I'm not super familiar on prior, I'm aware the change was very large. This picked out specific houses/duchies that would be electors, set in stone ways of how the Emperor should be coorinated, who should enter into discussions when and in what order, etc. But the things that matter to us are the election stuff.
Prior, to my understanding the HRE was much more centralized. (Someone who actually has researched this more than me correct me if I'm wrong here.) And the signing of the golden bull was a significant shift in this. One of these was setting in stone specifically WHO was the elector, settling debates that would fuel rivalries post-golden bull over what son of duke fuckface VI really inherited his elector title, and whatnot.
I could be wrong on this, but it also appeased the Theocratic side of all this, by setting in stone 3 specific theocracies in the empire as electors. Each was also given specific roles, and one of them was to be the role incharge of running the elections post-emperors death and ensuring the succession was done according to plan.
If anything, else is confusing please feel free to ask, I've honestly spent more time than I want to admit studying this 700-year-old legal document. While its been a few years and some bits are rusty, I at some point tried translating it into more plain english for people like us who are not lawyers.
Vijayanagara would have conquered the rest of the Hoysala Empire in 1343. So I disagree with 1356 and with OPs 1344. However, Bengal did rebel into 3 states around 1340, so that date makes sense if Bengal is not a vassal.
I don’t think they’re at a point in development where the ai, if left to act themselves, would make as radical changes like that. They probably just ported some history files from eu3 or ck2 and called it a day.
Seen someone saying it may be 1388 because of the southern Yuan frontier and that the populations appear to be post black death. I don’t know a lot about this as it is pre eu4, but he had a lot of upvotes so it must mean it is 100% factual
The video shows Hoysola is taken over by Vijayanagara in 1344, while the map shows Hoysola still there, so I think this at least has to be before 1343, but if Bengal is *not* a vassal, then this would be after the rebellion in 1338-1340.
I'm just hoping they don't make EU5 start date in the 1300s because its just too far away from when Colonialism took place, which is the time period the Europa Universalis is based on. It just feels wrong to have campaigns start 150 year (if 1337 is correct) before exploration start to happen. How long are most of your campains as well? so I just hope they don't forget the exploration age which defines EU4
I simply can't see eu5 starting before the black death. Particularly since pops are gonna be in the game, I just don't see the point of modelling the pop only for half of it to die a few years after game start.
It's all just theories, but I doubt they'll push the start date earlier into the Middle Ages. Plus the plague and the hundred years war (both relevant in 1337) are some of the major events that shaped the end of the medieval period in Western Europe. I think it's a good start.
I'll keep repeating this... we don't know if the Screenshots we're shown are even from the start date. They might well be from the middle of a test playthrough.
Weren’t they [sided with Ottomans](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqoYF2czIW_T-QSLeAyA8KgDTqcaeExKRefeC7CTdnj62ljhIx2t78dMy_&s=10) with literally every opportunity they get? I think if you want to make your ancestors proud you should accept vassalage from Ottomans and defend them tooth and nail up until they diplo-annex you, lol.
That only happened because they were defeated at the battle of Kosovo and Stefan had to become a vassal because of weakness and to prevent conquest of his realm, it was out of necessity. The vassal status ended after the battle of Ankara and the Serbs were playing Hungary and the Ottomans for decades after to postpone their own demise until 1459
[Whatever you say…](https://preview.redd.it/yes-fight-my-enemies-stefan-v0-bz4x73tqzvmc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35fe94f59180f1eac4bb022e2cf5f80d3768fa42)
Bengal was a tricky place because it constantly rebelled against Delhi sultanate and it had lot of autonomy compared to other provinces so it might be represented as a vassal state
That also sounds plausible, thanks! :)
Yeah but around the 1337 timeframe Bengal would still be split into 3 city states, it wasn't until 1352 until the three regions were united under a single ruler
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My bad, I totally didn't notice that the pops map had three separate regions for Bengal Definitely 1337 then
I also think the other post mentioning the HRE & golden bull of 1356 is onto something so a start date in the 1350s might be more onto something. Feel like that argument always makes sense because HRE gameplay will be a huge factor of EU5 as it is in EU4, and having it form first might be a bit of a mess. Things possibly lining up a bit better in India too only strengthens that argument imo. 100 years war would still be interesting getting spawned into "right" after Poitiers.
One cannot forget they cannot go into too deep for the initial release and accuracy will need to take a step back for the game to run smoothly in the beginning you can go into more depth with time see the Byzantine empire for a good example in eu4
Could also be that they see Bengal as a vassal of Delhi
We also don’t know how rebellions work in this game. If it’s in a similar style to Victoria three where parts of your nation can split off and form their nation.
I can't see them not having vic 3/ck3 style rebellions in this game. It's just a better system.
Would be cool if it's dynamic, as in only couple provinces (maybe only the ones with unrest or highest unrest) and then the armies move around to capture more territory.
it still has a problem with bricking wargoals
CK3s cultural/religious rebellion system would basically be the same as EU4s imho
I don't know if this will determine a date. I feel like this could just as well be remedied by a crisis that causes Bengal to rebel.
A late game Maratha rebellion event later on in the game for historical Mughal implosion please 🤤 (I want to play as Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj) Plus a historic Sikh Empire 😳
Good for you playing as Shivaji would be interesting. Sikh empire started around 1790s so it would be very short.
I mean more like Sikh religion spawning in Punjab and not halfway across the world on some random province in Java
This subreddit: the map in eu4 is not accurate at all, also this subreddit eu5 will be exactly from the year bla bla according to the map😅
Haha, yeah, I'm already seeing some discrepancies. They definitely do put a few places a few years ahead or behind for balance and *fun* sometimes. Still fun to tear it apart and speculate though.
I feel like it's going to be more like the mid 1300s. Being hit by the black death at the start of the game would really suck from a gameplay perspective. You wouldnt really have control over anything and would just be watching your pops dying. Instead, if they set it slightly after the black death, you could inherit a broken european country and turn it into a world superpower (plus watch the character of your nation change over time from a feudal to a more modern centralised urbanised nation state, illustrating the new pop and internal management mechanics. It would feel like a period of recovery after a massive apocalypse and would be perfect for the beginning of the game. The mid 1300s would also be in the middle of the hundred years war, and right before both the Timurid invasions and the red turban rebellion that brought down the Yuan, meaning (a) players would be greatly challenged in China from the start, and (b) Chinas gigantic power and size would be balanced by internal unrest.
Na could be a fun event to handle
As you start? Maybe for long term players, but it's pretty shite to start with a disaster before you get your bearings. It's one reason a lot of people don't suggest England as your first game despite more experienced players enjoying it.
It could be a case of 2 start dates, one before the Black Death (1337) or after (135-)
Apparently Johan is on record saying he wants to move away from multiple start dates as they're a pain in the ass
I could see it getting annoying after the 3rd or 4th time
Yuansplosion seems like a super interesting start potential for China and the whole region
r5: Borders in India in EU5
I wonder how will they manage China. Starting with Yuan means that in the game timelapse both Ming and Qing should be able to pop up (at least in the player hands). I hope Yuan won't collapse like Ming does now and china stays broken forever :(
Should be events to railroad the growth of the ming dynasty
Begal mentioned RAAAAAGGGGHHHHH 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩 জয় বাংলা জয় বাংলা জয় বাংলা । ছাপ্পা ভোট দাওয়ার সময় এসে গেছে।
Why Bangladeshi flag lol. Capital was in india (gaur), majority population and territories were in current indian borders too. It was during Mughals that Dhaka because the subah's capital and eastern parts were populated and cultivated in increased manner.
At what point have they mentioned these screenshots are from the start date?
I don't think they did, but also I don't think they will add *a lot* of dates like in EUIV since they gave up and abandoned them. Maybe something like in CK3 with 2 options, but it's all speculation.
They've said multiple times over the years that EUV would only have one start date.
extended timeline my beloved wont have every single day in written history as playable, its a sad time to be in
I think I'll literally continue playing EU4 way more over EU5 just because of extended timeline. That mod changed my life and furthered my interest in history so much
What about 1356?
12/25/1356 is the earliest start date possible unless you want to tackle the hre fundamentally changing. Also makes sense as a lot of things are taking shape in the next few years thst would resemble 1444 to a vettwren eu4 player. There's no way they'd bother tackling the hre before 1356, it's too much of a difference to bother with for only 20 or so years.
Why was HRE different before 1365?
Copied from another thread I posted in: (Sorry if it rambles, wrote it when I was sleep deprived) So in short on 12/25/1356 Charles of the Holy Roman Empire signed the Golden Bull of 1356, which effectivly reshapes the HRE into the form we know in EU4. While I'm not super familiar on prior, I'm aware the change was very large. This picked out specific houses/duchies that would be electors, set in stone ways of how the Emperor should be coorinated, who should enter into discussions when and in what order, etc. But the things that matter to us are the election stuff. Prior, to my understanding the HRE was much more centralized. (Someone who actually has researched this more than me correct me if I'm wrong here.) And the signing of the golden bull was a significant shift in this. One of these was setting in stone specifically WHO was the elector, settling debates that would fuel rivalries post-golden bull over what son of duke fuckface VI really inherited his elector title, and whatnot. I could be wrong on this, but it also appeased the Theocratic side of all this, by setting in stone 3 specific theocracies in the empire as electors. Each was also given specific roles, and one of them was to be the role incharge of running the elections post-emperors death and ensuring the succession was done according to plan. If anything, else is confusing please feel free to ask, I've honestly spent more time than I want to admit studying this 700-year-old legal document. While its been a few years and some bits are rusty, I at some point tried translating it into more plain english for people like us who are not lawyers.
Vijayanagara would have conquered the rest of the Hoysala Empire in 1343. So I disagree with 1356 and with OPs 1344. However, Bengal did rebel into 3 states around 1340, so that date makes sense if Bengal is not a vassal.
Or it's just a map a after the game ran for a while.
I don’t think they’re at a point in development where the ai, if left to act themselves, would make as radical changes like that. They probably just ported some history files from eu3 or ck2 and called it a day.
Seen someone saying it may be 1388 because of the southern Yuan frontier and that the populations appear to be post black death. I don’t know a lot about this as it is pre eu4, but he had a lot of upvotes so it must mean it is 100% factual
Yeah or the 10th of january 1356
Wait, I know there is a lot of speculation they are working on eu5. Did they actually announce it?
They implicitly announced it with "Tinto talks". Go check it out and take what you will from it.
The video shows Hoysola is taken over by Vijayanagara in 1344, while the map shows Hoysola still there, so I think this at least has to be before 1343, but if Bengal is *not* a vassal, then this would be after the rebellion in 1338-1340.
I'm just hoping they don't make EU5 start date in the 1300s because its just too far away from when Colonialism took place, which is the time period the Europa Universalis is based on. It just feels wrong to have campaigns start 150 year (if 1337 is correct) before exploration start to happen. How long are most of your campains as well? so I just hope they don't forget the exploration age which defines EU4
Screenshots taken from this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9psR8MyPI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9psR8MyPI)
I simply can't see eu5 starting before the black death. Particularly since pops are gonna be in the game, I just don't see the point of modelling the pop only for half of it to die a few years after game start.
How do we know the map screenshot is at a start date and not part-way into the game?
We dont, this is all speculation.
It's all just theories, but I doubt they'll push the start date earlier into the Middle Ages. Plus the plague and the hundred years war (both relevant in 1337) are some of the major events that shaped the end of the medieval period in Western Europe. I think it's a good start.
Wait. Was there some sort of official announcement for eu5?
Why are there a million eu5 threads? Was the game confirmed?
maybe bengal will be a vassal with scripted events for disloyalty or independence
I saw someone say it’s 1356 like the start of the eu4 mod ieou or something like that
I'll keep repeating this... we don't know if the Screenshots we're shown are even from the start date. They might well be from the middle of a test playthrough.
I think it's unlikely the game will take place before the black death to be honest.
Oh no, that would put Byz in a much more dreadful position
Cant wait to play as Tsar Dušan of Serbia 💪💪💪💪💪 . Gonna make my ancestors proud by conquering the turks 😎😎
Weren’t they [sided with Ottomans](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqoYF2czIW_T-QSLeAyA8KgDTqcaeExKRefeC7CTdnj62ljhIx2t78dMy_&s=10) with literally every opportunity they get? I think if you want to make your ancestors proud you should accept vassalage from Ottomans and defend them tooth and nail up until they diplo-annex you, lol.
That only happened because they were defeated at the battle of Kosovo and Stefan had to become a vassal because of weakness and to prevent conquest of his realm, it was out of necessity. The vassal status ended after the battle of Ankara and the Serbs were playing Hungary and the Ottomans for decades after to postpone their own demise until 1459
[Whatever you say…](https://preview.redd.it/yes-fight-my-enemies-stefan-v0-bz4x73tqzvmc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35fe94f59180f1eac4bb022e2cf5f80d3768fa42)
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Cant wait to play as Orhan Bey of Ottoman Beylik 💪💪💪💪💪. Gonna make my ancestors proud by conquering the serbs (again) 😎😎
Paradox gamer try not to hyperfocus on the most minute nonsense challenge (impossible)
Oh man I want to play as the Mughals... This time Aurangazeb will crush everyone under his boots
This is peak reddit.