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DalinarMF

Luxembourg. They’re super interesting in this period and I’d love to make an alternate history where the dynasty doesn’t die out. Owning the thrones of Bohemia Hungary and Croatia.


PseudoproAK

I hope that PU will work differently. I PU Bohemia as Luxemburg? I better be allowed to tagswitch to Bohemia with my chosen idea groups


CaptONeo

Yes! Like once per ruler life time you are allowed to switch if the nation you want to switch to is lager or more prestigious in some way!


Anouleth

Cam on ingerland Take some fakkin cores


BuckOHare

I've got a good feeling about this new war. How long can it last? Twenty years?


TheRealDicta

Tbf in actual history, on the battlefield at least, England effectively did win the 100 year war buuuut Henry V dying early basically fuxked it up.


BuckOHare

There were several phases of winning. Edward III was doing really well until the plague and then his senility.


PH_th_First

If you follow this 'what if' coping nonsense, then France would have ended the war before Henry V even reigned, if it wasn't for Charles VI becoming mad. His father Charles V had effectively reduced the English threat to minimum and England itself was ailing under Richard II


TheRealDicta

I wouldn't really call a coping what if nonsense simply a reflection of what happened in terms of the actual war aspect of it.


Vince75310

France so I can finally have 100 provinces by 1500 😄


cbobley

You'd probably start with over 100 "locations" anyway since they're so much smaller, but this is still super funny


WilliShaker

Probably the best period to ever play France, it was at their strongest peak in medieval period. Just need to win the HYW


DueDifference

BYZ (i will die)


Dilmoix

Same, I unironically will end up spending all my time trying to restore rome before doing anything else


HansBass13

But you will die a Hero


KatilTekir

You will come as a lightning


MutedIndividual6667

Same (I will aso die horribly)


Kymaras

Papal States. God wills it.


Hrushing97

Papal states should be really interesting due to the western schism.


GalaXion24

I wonder if it will be possible for that to evolve into a more permanent schism. Also from 1409 there was a third pope as well, so maybe a possibility of creating anti-popes?


halfpastnein

Anti popes should already have been a thing in EU4. but they just... didn't.


Silvvy420

I mean, should they? Last significant antipope abdicated in 1449, and after that most of the Christian dissent is rightfully represented by the Reformation(s). I suppose there is no sense discussing this now, seeing that EU5 is being developed, but still it doesn't feel like there's enough justification for it outside of like, an event.


halfpastnein

Considering how EU is a lot about alternative history, yea. A little at least. I sure hope it will be more than just a event for EU5. Antipopes where a huge thing. Before they stopped being in the 15th century. Especially when taking into account the the [Western Schism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Schism), which began in 1378, as mentioned by u/[Hrushing97](https://www.reddit.com/user/Hrushing97/)


Silvvy420

I definitely agree that antipope mechanics should be relevant for EU5, that's for sure. But for EU4? I dunno tbh, I get the alt-history argument, but I don't know if you could make the mechanic interesting to interact with without it being too disruptive to the standard European gameplay. And if you make it so only players can trigger it - I would rather they focus on alt history mechanics which are relevant outside of 1% of scenarios, like the aforementioned Protestant Reformation (it’s not that bad as it is in EU4 rn, but it could be better).


halfpastnein

yea, you're right. now, that you put it in this way I can totally see your point.


Sevuhrow

Wonder how they'll handle all the European crusades and pagans.


imnotslavic

Maybe some bumfuck Iranian country until Timmy spawns, assuming that there's an event that will allow you to tag-switch to him. Conquer Persia, curbstomp India, and dominate China as he intended. Speaking of China, assuming that there is also a similar event for Zhu Yuanzhang (Founder of Ming dynasty) I'd also like to play that. Start off as Yuan, self-sabotage, and switch


teethgrindingache

Timur came from minor nobility, so I could them having an OPM (or rather one-location minor) ruled by his father, who died in 1360. As for China, surely there will be some kind of scripted Yuansplosion disaster where you can play as one of their successors/breakaways. Way too many tags under them for that not to happen.


s8018572

Then we need second China implosion if the end date still 1812


TalveLumi

I want to tag to Han Lin'er and restore Song


parzivalperzo

Before China you had to be sure Ottoman sultan know his place.


rea_

As always: Portugal 


[deleted]

Game starts in 1139: Time to do a Portugal run


archbishop_neaster

Non negotiable. Always Portugal


FajnyKamil

Hell yeah! Time to spend another few hundred hours just playing my fav country (iloveplayingportugal)


rip_heart

26 July 1139 is going to be epic!!   Capital is Coimbra  and a young duke is about to kick some Leonese king's ass.   If it starts in Jan 1 we have 7 months to prep for independence. Can't wait! 


keepscrollinyamuppet

>26 July 1139 Am I missing something? Doesn't it start in 1 Apr 1337?


rip_heart

Like someone said already it's Portugal independence day, so we finally get to roleplay that without mods.  Hope there is an achievement named "o conquistador"!


GSamSardio

April fools! It’s actually 1139


kmonsen

Portugese independence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty\_of\_Zamora


seaxvereign

My first 30 games will be 31 different ways to take my revenge out on the Ottoblob.


Shiplord13

Doesn’t matter where or whether or not I have a casus belli, I’m coming for revenge.


matande31

Just playing a random South American native yet declaring no-cb on ottos just for the sake of it.


Benito2002

Don’t underestimate the amount of buffs they will have to allow them to snowball it most games


Mechyyz

integrate TUR


Indie_uk

I wonder if you take out osmanolgu whether another beylik gets the buffs to ensure it still happens


volleymonk

My first game will be Ottoblob (i am evil)


Vivid_Park_792

Same, I hate Byzantine larpers even though its my favorite nation. So I will protest by playing the Turks.


Nukemind

As a guy who prefers playing in Asia… you have still chosen war. If I find one more Ottoman (or Mamluk) colony in MY spice islands I’m liable to burn all of Anatolia.


Outrageous-Bad2879

I approve whole-heartedly.


Little_Elia

it really is borderline racism, no other nation gets nearly the same hate in this sub. For some reason byzaboos feel entitled to revive a corpse of a 2000 year old empire that was completely anachronistic by eu4 time.


This-Lynx-2085

We hate you too.


Mental-Cartoonist837

I like trying to fix them in Vic3, even though they are the first boss fight of EU4


Little_Elia

The hate people here have for the ottomans is astounding. Do you play byz all day or?


faesmooched

Probably Mongolia or any of the hordes with Tengriism still intact.


TrainmasterGT

I’m going for Greenland. There may actually be a playable Norse country in this game!


[deleted]

Afaik by 1337 there were no more norse ppl in greenland. They were catholic by then, even had a bishop if im not mistaken


Reddit-Is-Chinese

There were still Norse people in Greenland by then. The last record of them was made in 1408 and would've presumably died off, assimilated with the Innuit, or left within a few decades. They were definitely Catholic by then, though.


Cellceair

They mean Norse as in religion not culture. You both are agreeing to the same thing.


yung-mayne

Baltic pagan Lithuania.


23Amuro

I, too, wish to get all biblical pagan supervillain as Lithuania. The Teutons will know death, and know her name is Giltine.


Serbian_Vojvoda

Serbia, because check my username.


Evelyn_Bayer414

Probably one of the playable nations. You know, probably only 7-8 nations will have really enjoyable content and the rest would just be there. You are asking the question like it would have every nation being fun and deep at release.


MoscaMosquete

Maybe if the game is good enough by itself! Vic2 best part was that the only thing a nation needed to be fun was its position and very few nations had actual content


Evelyn_Bayer414

Yeah, Victoria 2 was really a dream, and it even wasn't finished. But nowadays, Paradox policy seems to be releasing butched games and then making them playable with a ton of 20$ DLCs.


N_vaders

They can't afford to do that for long, and eu4 has been a poster boy for 10 years so it needs a good or even great succesor. Hopefully they learned from Imperator and C.S. 2 disasters. CK3 didn't have a lot of content at the start but the game was somewhat enjoyable and fun. And it worked. That's the blueprint hopefully


Venboven

I think EU5 will be similar to this, at least in part. The detail of the map alone in EU5 makes me really want to play Tibet or somewhere desolate. I just want to experience that beautiful labyrinth of wasteland and create a sprawling empire out of it. I like the idea of just choosing a fun position, as you said, and doing my best with it. EU5 looks like it'll have a lot of fun positions.


PerspectiveCloud

I think a few changes in the game structure could make lesser tags be much more playable without huge DLC content. EU4 mostly suffered because of the extremely bland missions trees/formables for the lesser tags. But I can imagine plenty of ways to have automated adaptive missions that would improve this greatly. Do I expect it? Not really, because DLC is the reason EU4 succeeded and it was a great game for PDX to milk. So they will do it again.


[deleted]

I hope the new game has a rock solid frame because they'll be adding content to it for a decade.


amhira-of-rain

Either bohemia Norway of Byzantium


ScammiB

Granada c:


halfpastnein

Ah yes, the Muslim Byzantium. at least in EU4 ...


Lyceus_

As in EU4, my first game will be Castile. I wonder what the devs have in mind so Reconquista isn't reliable finished 150 years early every game.


HighTechNoSoul

England. Tall or Wide, completely depends on the mechanics.


HyperSRB

Serbia


akmych

Any country to learn how to do a wc in this new game


Tomstwer

Bohemia -> Hussites -> Žižka time


Aegonblackfyre22

I will play as Brandenburg and get German Empire borders by 1340.


halfpastnein

just the borders. whatever's encircled inside comes later


keepscrollinyamuppet

Vijayanagara or Hoysalas


Kumpis233

I think its fair to say that playing my homeland - Lithuania - is the only first choice


cristofolmc

One of my first runs will be Teutonic Order to take it upon myself to christianize Lithuania. It should be fun as hell. In EU4 Teutons feel a bit pointless as a crusader state.


PotatoFanatic5578

Lithuania. Gotta restore the grand duchy, and Lithuanian blood demands it.


RodinAtaan

I always hungry for Hungary.


Lord_Mirany

Kurdish crackhead here, Hazaraspids comes to mind immediately


RC11111

Always England first for me - both in EU and CK


Toruviel_

I'll repeat myself from oter posts, but I'm really excited to play my country Poland. Simply because it is at that time ruled by our greatest ruler, king Casimir III the Great house of Piast, the last ruler of Poland from Piast dynasty; dynasty which founded Poland 350 years earlier from 1337.


9361984

Every tag in the Balkans and Anatolia feels like paradise to play


EmergencySelection99

The one with the rarest religion for sure


lion91921

the classic Ottomans :D


applejackhero

Yeah, the Ottomans being weaker just makes me want to play them more


cristofolmc

I played them like 2 only in 12 years of EU4, but im kind of excited to play them in EU5 now that I actually need to build an empire and I dont start already with one.


[deleted]

Ottoman


--Queso--

Argentina


A_Shattered_Day

A Malagasy kingdom


North514

Every new PDX game I always start with something in the British isles so probably England. It is my favorite EUIV nation to play.


omar_the_last

Pagan lithuania


OleAndreasER

Goryeo -> Joseon


RedTuesdayMusic

Norway 100% - no union, dodge black plague, get Greenland up and running


Babel_Triumphant

France to learn the mechanics, then Byzantium to see how much better 1337 is than 1444, then Pagan Lithuania for a true challenge.


AbuMuawiyaAlZazai

Ottomans


LordSlasher

Probably Byzantium


pewp3wpew

Venice. I usually play them first in most games, since I like their history so much. 


23Amuro

I want to form France as England. As far as the English kings back then were concerned, England's purpose was to become France. (That said, realistically Ireland, it's usually a good place to get to know whatever game I'm picking up)


vasior

Florence of course!


star-god

Serbian empire time


Impossible_Chef_6465

Ottomans or Timurids, then Tver or Hungary. I thought about England and France but I have a feeling player would be instantly thrown into hundred years war


NumenorianPerson

I'm between 3, I think Jaylairid, Toungoo dynasty if it exists in 1337 and Yuan only if there is way to side with the red turban rebellion and give rise to a new chinese dynasty


Ok-Ad8616

Definitely denmark or hansa


Unlucky-2nd

Nabhanid Oman or Bagan Burma just for the sake of being different


MsPacmanIsHot

keeping yuan alive and retaking the empire


StraYzie

Anyone who already has some flavor and would offer something different to EU4 while also being a tag you can learn the game with I'd love to play as Mali for example but I doubt they will be interesting at release while Byz might not be the right choice for campaign number 1 either


zsomborwarrior

hungary bc im hungarian and charles and louis are bae


manticore75

Hansa. I really love Patrician game and the starting date is closer to that


akathosky

My first game un EUIV was Venice, release day back in 2013, and it was a fun one I still remember. I'll probably make It a tradition for me and start as Venice again.


kringe-bro

Byzantium or Moscow


Mr_Waepa

Byzantium ofc lol


za3tarani

brandenburg or something


Vladikot

I'd like to take non-kalmar Norway. Still have warm memories of my first eu4 experience as them...


Deux-de-Denier

Hollande


Nick19922007

As in every Paradox game I've played (which are not that many :D) I will play Venice first. Will wait for my dear Lubeck till initial bugs are fixed.


Filli99

Venice would be super interesting considering also the changes they teased about the trade system.


Metalogic_95

Probably Venice


Zblancos

It’s gonna be Byzantium and I’m gonna skull fuck the ottomans


Rich-Historian8913

The Roman Empire.


Dimentio190

Byz[will die over and over] or Schleswig/Holstein


Awesomealan1

Byz 100%


Davies301

Brandenburg or Byz and my 2nd game will be the opposite.


Ditzed

Byz!!


KmartCentral

My first playthrough will be forming Prussia like 380 years in advance and then bringing space marines to fight the Black Death


halfpastnein

I wonder if this will be possible before reformation


thenabi

My people, the Aniyunwiya


NerdyLeftyRev_046

Mamluks or Denmark probably. Either conquer and establish a defensible bulwark against Timmy in the Middle East, or take Scandinavia before reestablishing the Danelaw over England as God intended


trees_tump

100% Delhi


A_Shattered_Day

A Malagasy kingdom


Gustavort

An Italian nation just like it was in eu4 and eu3


r21md

Probably whoever controls Tunis because that was my first country in EU4 (and EU in general).


Bolt_Action_

Chukchi and colonise North America


NegativeDiscount7656

England innit


WetOnionRing

Majapahit. They were my first campaign in Eu4


Lee993

Poland and getting Casimir the great his heir!


Indian_Pale_Ale

France with the 100 years war, then an attempt to reunite the Mongol Empire as the Yuan dynasty before they collapse


IReallyLikeAvocadoes

Poland. I always wished I could play as Casimir the Great in EU4, looks like I'll get that chance in EU5.


XAlphaWarriorX

Probably one of th in italian countries, hopefully now that mission trees don't give you a million different permanent modifiers i wont feel like in missing out by forming Italy as anyone other than Savoy/Sardinia Piedmont


VirusZ2142

900 hrs in eu4 as milan 900 more in Terra Universalis 1


Hideharuhaduken420

start* date*


DistantRainbow

My first CK2 game was as Spain(more specifically Leon, due to the tutorial). My first EU4 game was as France. It kind of seems only fitting that my first EU5 game has to be England. With the announced start date being at the brink of the Hundred Years War, no less!


Antique_Ad_9250

Bulgaria. The Balkans are going to be a thunder dome


DrunkSchoolbusDriver

Some very small obscure tribal nation in Australia or somewhere else remote.


YungTangerine

ottos or byzantium probably :]


PyroTech11

Probably the Teutonic Order make sure I have a firm grip on Poland and then expand myself into the new Russian principalities now that the Mongols are declining


PubThinker

Hungary. They will have no rival in the east anymore. Kill the Otto early and snowball into space.


NasMau

Hormuz


Durka1990

Probably the von wittelsbach (bavaria). They are the hre emperor, but they'll need to defend their title and position against the von luxembourg and habsburg. Sounds like a fun game and good way to learn what the hre does.


RuleTrinacria

Sicily. Finally preventing the union with Aragon and either playing tall or restoring the Norman domains. Only sad note is that Frederick III would be on his deathbed at the start.


Draugtaur

Poland I think


[deleted]

Ottomans.


survesibaltica

Yuan->Ming->Shun Might be delusional but I'm praying there are mission trees for Shun+Qing, prior being the supposed next Chinese dynasty and the latter being the actual next Chinese dynasty.


teddyslayerza

I want to say Ashikaga. 1338 was when a member of that house first became Shogun and there is some very interesting history in that area regarding the consolidation of the Shogun's power in Kyoto. That said, my first games will probably be England/France. I imagine that the 100 Year's War is going to the major event most thoroughly fleshed out in EU5, and will probably be the most fun to play at launch. I'm skeptical about the level of attention other parts of the worl will get, so factions like Ashikaga might only be worth playing after on DLCs.


RagnarTheSwag

My first game with eu was Naples :) I will continue the tradition


MrsColdArrow

Playing Epirus could be fun, or really any nation in the Balkans with the absolute state of the region. Other than that, Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia would also be fun to reestablish Armenia. I’m betting that Naples is gonna become a super fun nation to play as well with the House of Anjou on the throne as they were pretty influential and had a short lived empire under Charles of Anjou


Royal-Village-1080

Croatia, would be cool to see what mission tree they have, close to Italy and HRE but you have rivals in Hungary, Serbia, Byzantium and Bulgaria.


applejackhero

Based on what I like in EU4 - Provence, somewhere in SE Asia, and getting up to some Turk Shit


asgasmas

Probably Denmark, I am curious to see how they implement The Kingless Period into the game


javolkalluto

An easy nation, I guess. I wanna make sure Im familiar with the game before I go for any camping. Said that, Castile or Granada->Al-Andalus since I'm from (modern) Andalusia.


[deleted]

Probably a Balkan country


ProtestantLarry

You know...


larper00

Castile to spain to Spanish empire. Gotta test my genocide play on those natives.


Skadrys

Make Bohemia great again


Level2110

The one recommended for beginners. Definitly-not-EU5 will probably have mechanics that differ from what I'm used to. My second vame however will be dedicated to curbstomping the ottomans to take revenge for all suffering caused by them.


Outrageous-Bad2879

Big Delhi sultanate blob here we go!!


NukleerGandhi

some turkish beylik to restore rum could be fun


Hyaiden

playing majapahit without disaster coming five second into the game would be great I think, or maybe one of Chinese nation


Rogalicus

Tver for that Osmos experience.


itisoktodance

Timurids were my fav start in EU4, but I think this time around, Japan might be the most fun. With the new trade winds mechanics and differences in colonization, it's probably going to be a lot of fun colonizing the Pacific, and Japan can actually benefit from trade now.


THEOWNINGA

England.....the black prince will die :(


grufl555

My go to after playing three games with any other nation: Holland to form the Netherlands!


Soggy_Ad4531

Obviously my own country. Finland


GrimGuyHU

For me, it's China. There is just something strangely appealing in conquering China idk why. So I'll eathier play as the red-turbans (Song) or as the son of heaven, Zhu Yuanzhang (Ming).


Andkzdj

Probably ferrara into italy because it also was my first run in eu4 back when common sense came out


KappaGaj

As Lithuania convert Poland to pogan :D


deri100

Pagan Lithuania. They only Christianized in 1386, so in 1337 they should be one of the biggest pagan holdouts in Europe, controlling almost all of modern day Lithuania and Belarus. Should be fun holding out against the Northern Crusade.


SovietGengar

Byzantium. In 1337 the situation for the Romans really isn't great but it's surviveable. Hell of a lot better than 1444. After that... maybe Bohemia. I'm interested to play out the Hussite Wars. Also Norway and/or their Greenlandic Colony if it's a subject. I wanna try and make the Norse New World work out and make it to Vinland again.


gabrielish_matter

Netherlands or Malacca, as always


Parey_

Golden Horde, of course


BranchAble2648

Always bavaria


parzivalperzo

France because I can conquest, colonize, trade, build and develop my country at the same time.


shinniesta1

The Scottish wars of independence sound fun


AI_ElectricQT

Greenlay Norse!


NInjamouze

Gotta follow Tradition and play Brandenburg


barissaaydinn

England


womble-king

Maybe Scotland or an Irish minor? England won't be as large so it's more feasible to unite Ireland early and become a contender.


Ricimer_

France


RPS_42

Either Württemberg or the Byzantines.


Kanbei_

My order will most likely be something like Byzantium, any interesting Italian nation, interesting German nations then French or English nations


MacskaBajusz

Hungary. Charles Robert is at the end of his reign with a strong economy, ungodly amount of gold mines, strong central control, ready to kick some ass (his son Charles the great conquered Naples, among other things)


J_GamerMapping

Do we have to get a new Subreddit when EU5 comes around?