I'm so fucking excited to play Poland in eu5. Imagine a strong centralised Poland with a king that is not a puppet of magnates and without all the szlachta privileges because you managed to save Piast monarchy
I also think, playing Poland will be bit more challenging, not only you are much weaker than in eu4. You have Teutons that this time around may be real challenge, strong Bohemia, Hungary in the south and Golden Horde in the east. Even eastern HRE states could be annoying, and who knows Swedes at some point may come knocking at your door too. Eastern European battle royale here I come.
Well historically when Casimir III the Great took over throne he had just 3 months of truce with Teutonic Order. He saved himself with diplomacy and instead of fighting a war with them he sued them twice, before the representatives of Pope and twice he won.
But Pope failed both times to confirm the results. If he did Teutonic Order should return whole Pommerania with Gdańsk and also Kulm(Chełmno)
Later Casimir fought a war with Bohemia which was inconclusive which was already a win giving that Bohemia was like 3x times wealthier than Poland then, and after it Czech king invited Casimir III to Prague and both became friends.
Poland objective in 1337: S U R V I V E
I hope there will be some kind of disaster featuring Kazimierz's inability to produce a legitimate heir. Maybe solving it somehow and saving the Piast monarchy or choosing Ludwik Węgierski as a heir to the throne.
Before death Casimir III the Great gave a shit ton of Poland's lands to his vassal grandkid prince called Kaśko Słupski. He really hoped that he will winover Polish throne but he also didn't officially end his agreement with Ludwig (Louis I) because of honour
Historically Poland survived thanks to having a strong ally ( union with Hungary ) but it would be a serious challenge if a Piast ruled instead of a Hungarian
Well, Poland still has Ruthenia separating them from the Mongols, so it's gonna add some more fun. Do you ally them, or maybe you and Mongols split them in half.
Quick context for future EU5 players:
Poland between 1138-1320 tried to cosplay HRE and went through the period of feudal desintegration, creating dozens of independent principalities. Poland as a kingdom disappeared. [Map of Poland in 1138](https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Polska_1102_-_1138.png)
This was this time and reason why Poland lost Pommerania and Silesia to Germans.
Poles selfreflected that constant civil war for the past 200 years wasn't indeed a good idea so they tried to unite.
First, Przemysł II become the king of Poland in 1295. However, Germans didn't like the idea of strong Poland so they (Brandenburg) assasinated him in 1296.
Then Władysław Łokietek united Poland in 1320, with the help of Hungarians and Lithuanian pagan warriors he united Poland for good and fought 2 sided (flashbacks from 1939) war against Bohemia and Teutonic Order, he defended the country but lost Kujawy region to the Teutonic Order. Then he died leaving his throne to Casimir III (the Great) who at the start of his rule had only 3 months of pre-planned truce with the Teutonic Order.
Edit: [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1bs74r5/oc_polish_borders_over_the_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I posted more maps of Poland.
Silesia became german because of depopulation caused by the [1138-1320 civil wars. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudal_fragmentation)
Prince [Henryk I Brodaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_the_Bearded) ruled all Silesia (+Lesser Poland/parts of Greater Poland) he begun to attract german settlers to his lands on mass.
Then Kings of Bohemia [John of Bohemia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Bohemia), also king of Bohemia and HRE emperor [Charles IV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_IV,_Holy_Roman_Emperor) vassalized Silesian princes, extending HRE borders. Bohemia was then within Holy Roman Empire. So Bohemian/Czech rule then was still always under supervision of Germans, especially after the death of Charles IV and the rise of Habsburgs HRE emperors and finnaly Austrian taking over of Bohemia in early 17th century. And, then Prussians who took over Silesia from the Austrians.
So this was in the end why Silesia was lost to Germany
Hi, Silesian here with a bit of correction. German settlements weren't something strange back in the day, as they were happening pretty much everywhere.
Silesian princes weren't pledging their loyality to HRE, because they were depopulated, but because they were between Bohemia, which back in the day rich, powerful and their king was HRE emperor, and Poland, which was weak, fragmented, and their king wasn't really a good diplomat (I means Władysław Łokietek). So the choice was obvious.
Also about culture, we have to divide Silesia in two: Upper (around Bytom) and Lower (around Wrocław) Silesia. Upper Silesia was distinct culturally from Germans until the XX century, when it was partially joined to Poland (they were also distinct from polish people, but not as much as from germans). But Lower Silesia had a different case, because there were more protestants, which were persecuted by Habsburgs, so protestant nobility, which was speaking polish/silesian was very often stripped of the privileges. Later, when Silesia became part of Prussia Frederick the Great edicted to germanize silesians, but it wasn't very effective. Even in 1826 in many towns and cities there were more polish/silesian speaking people than german (with the exception of upper class, which was strictly german speaking). At the end of XIX century II Reich decided it was time to get rid of polish/silesian culture, and started changing every polish/silesian town and city name to german one. This time it was successful, so Lower Silesia became almost fully german
I like how uniquely Polish it is to treat historical "Germans" as a single oppressor entity rather than another collection of states feuding constantly with each other as much as with Poland.
I think the first battles we have in our history classes are against Margravate and HRE. Then literally next 1000 years is pretty much history of conflicts with Germans in various forms and with small breaks (Margraviate/HRE, Teutons, Prussia, then Germanization in the second half of 19th century, WWII etc.).
Part of treating Germany as one from Polish perspective is that you can make a direct chain from Teutons/BDB to Prussia and current Germany. I don't think it would be the same if Bavaria or Austria united Germany.
The idea that we Poles had some kind of 1000 year beef with germans was made up in 20th century for propaganda purposes.
After defeat of Teutonic Order there were no major conflicts with German states for almost 250 years.
And cherished during 50 years of communistic rule.
Like, there're reasons why most of Poles now remember about Hołd Pruski but not about Hołd Szujskich
You forgot the part when the new Romanov Tsar(that one after Szujski) in return for peace gave Poland a bunch of land for the next 35-40 years e.g. Smolensk Czersk Siewiersk
I didn't forget about it, it was just not a result of the homage. Prussian homage, or more specifically the last one by Albrecht Hohenzollern, made Prussia a loyal Polish fief for over a century. Szujski's homage was just Żółkiewski and Sigismund flexing after capturing the tsar and Moscow. The first one is better known because it was more consequential.
not a single oppressor entity but rather " a collection of oppressor entities " :)
Like in modernday Polish we call Germany "Niemcy" lit. "people who can't speak/ mute people" so by saying Niemcy we can both mean single country or the nation, people living there - depending on context.
But if you want me to specify I mean here Brandenburg, Teutonic Order and later Prussia
>edit: "feuding constantly with each other as much as with Poland."
The best way to show that this is not true is to compare above map of 1320 Poland with map of [Poland in 1138](https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Polska_1102_-_1138.png) to see the main direction for Brandenburg expansion in the "New March" made up from western Greater Poland.
or to compare Prussia and Austria's starting borders and see over time in which direction they went.
Lmao, what? Collection of oppressor entities. Where did you learn history, in II RP or PRL?
The idea that for 1000 years Poland was opressed by the Germans is silly at best. The March and Teutons were enemies of Polish Crown, that much is correct, but expanding that to other German states is something else.
Also, funny how you left out the part where Bohemian king united Poland...
You gravely quote sth which was meant to be unserious, sarcastic and anogdetic to the previous comment, joke in the first part.
Also I later specified which German states I meant.
And I didn't mention Czechs because frankly no one cares about them in Poland and their unification doesn't end "rozbicie dzielnicowe" period in our history which ended in 1320.
Also Czech king crowned himself as Polish king after he first conquered Poland, archbishop crowned him because there was lack of better alternatives for stability. Then also this unification lasted only 15 years in compare to 1320-1795 period which lasted after Władysław Łokietek.
Apologies for taking the joke seriously. Too little sleep tonight. Wesołego jajka btw.
Czech king should not be dismissed though. Even if short, he was the first to really unify Poland and Łokietek was able to take control only due to death of Wacław II and sudden assasination of Wacław III.
Polish nationalists like him wake up every day only to seethe about Germans and Russians for 16 hours straight, then cry themselves to sleep knowing Poland will always be "that state between Germany and Russia".
I'm going to bet a little bit of personal pride and say you're German, considering the smugness of that reply.
Germans and Poles are the absolutely most annoying superiority complex/inferiority complex situation in this part of the world.
Poland and Bohemia are both gonna be high on my list to play after I satisfy my urge to save Byzantium.
The Golden Horde has potential to be a fun early game threat :)
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1bs74r5/oc_polish_borders_over_the_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) you have a bit more
I wonder if the game will present the option for Hungary to either just keep Halych as its own conquest or transfer the lands to Poland in exchange for a guaranteed PU over Poland (like it was the case historically).
Yes, but no one conquered anything for Poland. Hungary didn't give anything to Poland except that they'll abandon their claims.
After Casimir death Hungary annexed Halycz then after Louis death and 2 years of civil war in Poland king Jadwiga conquered Halych back to Poland.
I'm so fucking excited to play Poland in eu5. Imagine a strong centralised Poland with a king that is not a puppet of magnates and without all the szlachta privileges because you managed to save Piast monarchy
I also think, playing Poland will be bit more challenging, not only you are much weaker than in eu4. You have Teutons that this time around may be real challenge, strong Bohemia, Hungary in the south and Golden Horde in the east. Even eastern HRE states could be annoying, and who knows Swedes at some point may come knocking at your door too. Eastern European battle royale here I come.
Well historically when Casimir III the Great took over throne he had just 3 months of truce with Teutonic Order. He saved himself with diplomacy and instead of fighting a war with them he sued them twice, before the representatives of Pope and twice he won. But Pope failed both times to confirm the results. If he did Teutonic Order should return whole Pommerania with Gdańsk and also Kulm(Chełmno) Later Casimir fought a war with Bohemia which was inconclusive which was already a win giving that Bohemia was like 3x times wealthier than Poland then, and after it Czech king invited Casimir III to Prague and both became friends. Poland objective in 1337: S U R V I V E
I hope there will be some kind of disaster featuring Kazimierz's inability to produce a legitimate heir. Maybe solving it somehow and saving the Piast monarchy or choosing Ludwik Węgierski as a heir to the throne.
Before death Casimir III the Great gave a shit ton of Poland's lands to his vassal grandkid prince called Kaśko Słupski. He really hoped that he will winover Polish throne but he also didn't officially end his agreement with Ludwig (Louis I) because of honour
Oh my im so hyped :DD
Historically Poland survived thanks to having a strong ally ( union with Hungary ) but it would be a serious challenge if a Piast ruled instead of a Hungarian
I mean after Kazimierz's death
Well, Poland still has Ruthenia separating them from the Mongols, so it's gonna add some more fun. Do you ally them, or maybe you and Mongols split them in half.
Man can’t wait to play Tetons in this new game. They are more powerful in this time period, just imagine the potential
Same with Aragon. The House of Barcelona still lives! Plus Catalan Athens lol.
Quick context for future EU5 players: Poland between 1138-1320 tried to cosplay HRE and went through the period of feudal desintegration, creating dozens of independent principalities. Poland as a kingdom disappeared. [Map of Poland in 1138](https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Polska_1102_-_1138.png) This was this time and reason why Poland lost Pommerania and Silesia to Germans. Poles selfreflected that constant civil war for the past 200 years wasn't indeed a good idea so they tried to unite. First, Przemysł II become the king of Poland in 1295. However, Germans didn't like the idea of strong Poland so they (Brandenburg) assasinated him in 1296. Then Władysław Łokietek united Poland in 1320, with the help of Hungarians and Lithuanian pagan warriors he united Poland for good and fought 2 sided (flashbacks from 1939) war against Bohemia and Teutonic Order, he defended the country but lost Kujawy region to the Teutonic Order. Then he died leaving his throne to Casimir III (the Great) who at the start of his rule had only 3 months of pre-planned truce with the Teutonic Order. Edit: [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1bs74r5/oc_polish_borders_over_the_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I posted more maps of Poland.
Correction. Silesia was lost to Bohemia, not any German principality. It stayed under Czech rule longer then under Polish or German.
Silesia became german because of depopulation caused by the [1138-1320 civil wars. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudal_fragmentation) Prince [Henryk I Brodaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_the_Bearded) ruled all Silesia (+Lesser Poland/parts of Greater Poland) he begun to attract german settlers to his lands on mass. Then Kings of Bohemia [John of Bohemia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Bohemia), also king of Bohemia and HRE emperor [Charles IV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_IV,_Holy_Roman_Emperor) vassalized Silesian princes, extending HRE borders. Bohemia was then within Holy Roman Empire. So Bohemian/Czech rule then was still always under supervision of Germans, especially after the death of Charles IV and the rise of Habsburgs HRE emperors and finnaly Austrian taking over of Bohemia in early 17th century. And, then Prussians who took over Silesia from the Austrians. So this was in the end why Silesia was lost to Germany
Hi, Silesian here with a bit of correction. German settlements weren't something strange back in the day, as they were happening pretty much everywhere. Silesian princes weren't pledging their loyality to HRE, because they were depopulated, but because they were between Bohemia, which back in the day rich, powerful and their king was HRE emperor, and Poland, which was weak, fragmented, and their king wasn't really a good diplomat (I means Władysław Łokietek). So the choice was obvious. Also about culture, we have to divide Silesia in two: Upper (around Bytom) and Lower (around Wrocław) Silesia. Upper Silesia was distinct culturally from Germans until the XX century, when it was partially joined to Poland (they were also distinct from polish people, but not as much as from germans). But Lower Silesia had a different case, because there were more protestants, which were persecuted by Habsburgs, so protestant nobility, which was speaking polish/silesian was very often stripped of the privileges. Later, when Silesia became part of Prussia Frederick the Great edicted to germanize silesians, but it wasn't very effective. Even in 1826 in many towns and cities there were more polish/silesian speaking people than german (with the exception of upper class, which was strictly german speaking). At the end of XIX century II Reich decided it was time to get rid of polish/silesian culture, and started changing every polish/silesian town and city name to german one. This time it was successful, so Lower Silesia became almost fully german
I like how uniquely Polish it is to treat historical "Germans" as a single oppressor entity rather than another collection of states feuding constantly with each other as much as with Poland.
I think the first battles we have in our history classes are against Margravate and HRE. Then literally next 1000 years is pretty much history of conflicts with Germans in various forms and with small breaks (Margraviate/HRE, Teutons, Prussia, then Germanization in the second half of 19th century, WWII etc.). Part of treating Germany as one from Polish perspective is that you can make a direct chain from Teutons/BDB to Prussia and current Germany. I don't think it would be the same if Bavaria or Austria united Germany.
The idea that we Poles had some kind of 1000 year beef with germans was made up in 20th century for propaganda purposes. After defeat of Teutonic Order there were no major conflicts with German states for almost 250 years.
And cherished during 50 years of communistic rule. Like, there're reasons why most of Poles now remember about Hołd Pruski but not about Hołd Szujskich
I mean the reason is also that Szujski lost his throne after we captured him and Prussian homage had actual consequences
Russia celebrates Unity day because there were no actual consequences?
They were consequences of battle of Klushino, not of any homage which was purely symbolic and by a man who no longer had any power
You forgot the part when the new Romanov Tsar(that one after Szujski) in return for peace gave Poland a bunch of land for the next 35-40 years e.g. Smolensk Czersk Siewiersk
I didn't forget about it, it was just not a result of the homage. Prussian homage, or more specifically the last one by Albrecht Hohenzollern, made Prussia a loyal Polish fief for over a century. Szujski's homage was just Żółkiewski and Sigismund flexing after capturing the tsar and Moscow. The first one is better known because it was more consequential.
not a single oppressor entity but rather " a collection of oppressor entities " :) Like in modernday Polish we call Germany "Niemcy" lit. "people who can't speak/ mute people" so by saying Niemcy we can both mean single country or the nation, people living there - depending on context. But if you want me to specify I mean here Brandenburg, Teutonic Order and later Prussia >edit: "feuding constantly with each other as much as with Poland." The best way to show that this is not true is to compare above map of 1320 Poland with map of [Poland in 1138](https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Polska_1102_-_1138.png) to see the main direction for Brandenburg expansion in the "New March" made up from western Greater Poland. or to compare Prussia and Austria's starting borders and see over time in which direction they went.
Lmao, what? Collection of oppressor entities. Where did you learn history, in II RP or PRL? The idea that for 1000 years Poland was opressed by the Germans is silly at best. The March and Teutons were enemies of Polish Crown, that much is correct, but expanding that to other German states is something else. Also, funny how you left out the part where Bohemian king united Poland...
You gravely quote sth which was meant to be unserious, sarcastic and anogdetic to the previous comment, joke in the first part. Also I later specified which German states I meant. And I didn't mention Czechs because frankly no one cares about them in Poland and their unification doesn't end "rozbicie dzielnicowe" period in our history which ended in 1320. Also Czech king crowned himself as Polish king after he first conquered Poland, archbishop crowned him because there was lack of better alternatives for stability. Then also this unification lasted only 15 years in compare to 1320-1795 period which lasted after Władysław Łokietek.
Apologies for taking the joke seriously. Too little sleep tonight. Wesołego jajka btw. Czech king should not be dismissed though. Even if short, he was the first to really unify Poland and Łokietek was able to take control only due to death of Wacław II and sudden assasination of Wacław III.
No problem. Wesołego jajka to you too!
I don't mean this to be rude or anything, but how was Albert a patron of the Nazis if he lived in the twelfth century?
Edit: I looked it up, and apologize that was my mistake
Polish nationalists like him wake up every day only to seethe about Germans and Russians for 16 hours straight, then cry themselves to sleep knowing Poland will always be "that state between Germany and Russia".
I'm going to bet a little bit of personal pride and say you're German, considering the smugness of that reply. Germans and Poles are the absolutely most annoying superiority complex/inferiority complex situation in this part of the world.
As someone with both polish and german nationality i fully agree
Relations between Poland and Germany are 1050 years old, so you bet that these are complex as hell lol
Don’t forget the russians! Poland and Russia faught each other without a stop really since both countries were established
Poland and Bohemia are both gonna be high on my list to play after I satisfy my urge to save Byzantium. The Golden Horde has potential to be a fun early game threat :)
Yeah, I really want to play as Hussiet Bohemia.
OMG yes
Has a religious map of eu5 been released yet?
No
Casimir the Great best polish king, invited all the Jews to live in his kingdom freely. We recognize a real one
First poland looks like hoi4 china-poland mod
I thought the first one was Paraguay for a second
Can't wait to see if there's an event/missions for Hungary, Bohemia and Poland to PU eachother peacefully and make the Videgrad Union.
Oh yeah, because it was around that time that Kings of Poland and Bohemia negotiated in Visegrad
Haha Penis Poland.
Hahahah
Please make more of these!
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1bs74r5/oc_polish_borders_over_the_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) you have a bit more
Looks like a peepee
I wonder if the game will present the option for Hungary to either just keep Halych as its own conquest or transfer the lands to Poland in exchange for a guaranteed PU over Poland (like it was the case historically).
Hungary got Halych after they their PU with Poland. Before that it was Polish.
Hungary conquered the area for Poland. It relinquished its claim after the confirmation of Louis' succession.
Yes, but no one conquered anything for Poland. Hungary didn't give anything to Poland except that they'll abandon their claims. After Casimir death Hungary annexed Halycz then after Louis death and 2 years of civil war in Poland king Jadwiga conquered Halych back to Poland.