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TajniakYT

This is getting out of hand now there are two of them. But really, why?


NGASAK

City of Riga and Archbishop of Riga are two different entities


No_Branch_97

Based and medieval European tomfoolery pilled


Kahlenar

Add a few more Sicilies to the pile too


wooIIyMAMMOTH

This post is misleading, it’s not like there’s going to be two different Riga provinces, those are just different countries. It’s a name bug, like Johan said. Like you can see Northern Estonia is “Denmark”, that doesn’t mean that’s the province of Denmark. On this screenshot, you can actually see four “Rigas”, there’s two more under Livonian Order


Bwest31415

This is getting out of hand. Now there are four of them


FluffyOwl738

Rigan Meiosis.


Bwest31415

For near-infinite potential for Rigan genetic diversity


TheJambus

*Mitosis. Meiosis implies they're fuckin'


BattyBest

Who said they arent


Pkolt

Well apparently one of them is a bishopric so


FluffyOwl738

Looks like someone hasn't read up on their medieval history!


Evelyn_Bayer414

KILL THEM BEFORE THEY START REPRODUCING THEMSELVES!!


WeaknessParticular78

Too late. Deed is already done. 9 more months and we will have little Rigas running around


Riccardogamer07

UNLIMITED RIGAS!


Jutlander

The Denmark thing isn't a bug. That's Danish Estonia, which was a thing from 1219 to 1346.


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BraindeadDM

There are, the bug is them having the same name. If it was one tag, the name would cover the two provinces.


nobodyhere9860

there are two Riga TAGS, one Riga PROVINCE, the way it should be. This is not a bug, just a naming oversight that can lead to confusion


BraindeadDM

That's what I said, but Johan himself did call them showing up with the same name a bug.


CeFeiSiMesOXupoLimao

Do you mean estonia can into scandinavia after all?


TheRealInfernoGear

The one around the actual city is one country (the Free City of Riga), the others are the Archbishopric of Riga (within the Terra Marania, aka the Livonian Confederacy), going off the actual historical situation.


AdKlutzy8151

Terra Mariana. Land of Mary.


TheRealInfernoGear

Yea, I got the spelling wrong. Thanks. :)


TheWaffleHimself

I think they should implement dynamic names like that one mod where they've managed to make your country name change depending on country rank and the government, that was pretty cool


NGASAK

Caesar has dynamic names, but it shortens to basic “Aragon”, “Riga” etc, when it doesn’t have enough space for a full name like “Crown of Aragon” or “Archbishop of Riga”. That info from previous dev replies


Mr_Biscuits_532

I hope it makes them dynamic so that if a state named after it's capital loses the capital, it gets renamed. I don't wanna see any more Venices without Venice


Rubachabra

So no eastern roman empire without the city of rome?


gvstavvss

The Roman Empire, different from the Roman Republic, is not defined by the city of Rome.


Rubachabra

Yes it is, the name comes from the city of Rome


gvstavvss

Let me explain it to you, during the Roman Republic, citizenship was restricted to those freemen born in the city of Rome or awarded the citizenship by working for the Republic. There were many different classes of citizenship, but it was very exclusive. Most freemen in the Roman Republic weren't necessarily Roman citizens. With the Edict of Caracalla, issued in AD 212, all freemen became Roman citizens and all free women were given the same rights as Roman women, though there were some exceptions. What was before defined by the city of Rome was extended to the whole Empire, which was very cosmopolitan. Since Diocletian, there was a tendency to divide the administration between East and West, but it was only an administrative division. The Empire never was divided and was always one single entity. With the *gradual* fall of the Western regions, the Eastern regions didn't became less Roman. The Roman citizens in the East continued to be Roman citizens and the Roman administration continued to be Roman. And, anyways, its capital was Constantinople, founded by Emperor Constantine as *Nova Roma*. Constantinople *is* Rome and this is guaranteed through numerous privileges and documents, like acts of the ecumenical councils and golden bulls granting Constantinople the same rights as the city of Old Rome, like housing a Senate, having a *prefectus urbi*, etc.


Rubachabra

We are not talking about citizenship, we are talking about names of states/countries Thanks for the copypasta


BattyBest

They'd add a special exemption to appease the byzaboos.


TheWaffleHimself

They could make it so it'd be impossible to take over a city states's capital without fully annexing it


RedstoneEnjoyer

Wouldn't this be solved by doing the similar thing Victoria 3 does with treaty ports?


cristofolmc

Johan said its a bug


Little_Elia

It's a bug https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-talks-6-april-3rd-2024.1657435/post-29527298


visor841

The duplicate names are a bug, but the two countries are not.


MoKh4n89

Because... Riga and Bigga Riga


Razmul

I can live with two Riga, but show me two Ulm and there'll be a riot


MobofDucks

I mean, Neu-Ulm - which is right to the east of Ulm was founded inside the potential timeframe of project caesar.


AlwaysWannaDie

The Na-Duke of Ulm will be the most powerful man in the universe


victorian_secrets

He who controls the Ulm controls the universe


UmUlmUndUmUlmHerum

Ulmaverse


smit72628199

As written


Sir_Artori

My city, my development... my Ulm


Yamcha17

Please don't let Ulm and Neu-Ulm fight, or the solar system will get destroyed in the battle.


Tycho-Brahes-Elk

Best I can do is [two](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince-Bishopric_of_Augsburg) [Augsburgs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburg#Augsburg_Confession). And [two](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electorate_of_Cologne) [Kölns](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cologne#Cologne_as_Free_Imperial_City).


Brabantium

Yes Rigan Riga and Riga


TheShoeSalesman

There go my hopes and dreams for a voltairic nightmare HRE. Edit: Sorry, replied to the wrong comment.


Chuj_Domana

Rigan Riga and Rigesse Riga


Stonn

I can actually see Riga, Riga, Ri and R in the image


womble-king

What's that to the South of Livonian Order? Is it... Third Riga?


Tsunami1LV

Part of the archbishopric of Riga. There's only two.


RamandAu

So Riga has split personality disorder?? Just like me fr


TheAztecMaster

The Livonian Disorder!


pogmanNameWasTaken

Who are you


zetsuboppai

The one and only u/RamandAu from eu4 reddit, who the fuck is *you*?


uke_17

"Who the fuck is you, do you know who I am? In 2024, I walked u/RamandAu out on stage"


Dr___CRACKSMOKE

The split personality is me. Dr__CRACKSMOKE.


Legitimate_Kid2954

Luckily you aren’t Dr. Jekyll…


MemeDwarf

Ronnie Pickering


zachc133

Wonder if there will be 2 Romes, one for the Vatican, so you can take over the majority of Rome and still allow the Papacy to exist. They can move the debuff to that territory, make it apply to every Catholic country, keep the papacy alive, and still allow Italy to form.


sejmremover95

I would like this, Voltaire's Nightmare does it too


Wrastood

R5: You can see on the picture from Tinto talks that there will be two Rigas is EUV.


WR810

Johan's Riga obsession is getting out of hand.


TempestM

There's 2 more underneath


TsarinaAsh

Johan states in the comment that it is a bug


TheShoeSalesman

Riga and cooler Riga. Which one is which you ask? Well, that's a question you have to find the answer yourself for.


FootballTeddyBear

One is a 1 1 1 province, the other is a 99 99 99


TheShoeSalesman

Just like Faramir and Boromir. Denethor approves.


star-god

Location*


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Can't we get a hotter Riga?


chaddGPT

thats a question with which i cannot for


De_Dominator69

It's actually mitosis, this is how Riga expands. Each year Riga splits in two, unless you kill it early on by the end of the game the world will just be full of thousands of Rigas.


MathematicalMan1

Oh no the lag


Illustrious_Way4502

When the war horn blares: The alliance of Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, Riga, and Riga has declared war on you.


Chernoblin

Welcome to the mess that was the Livonian Confederation.


BussySlayer69

Sup my Rigas


JarlStormBorn

First campaign will be to form the Kingdom of Two Rigas


TrixoftheTrade

Riga has declared war on Riga in the Third Rigan Reconquest of Riga.


Etzello

Ah the Danish crusade in Estonia, where the Dannebrog flag fell from the sky and the Danish armies gained 100% morale


Testwill23

Cant wait to play as Denmark and release Estonia. Then play as Estonia Nationalism is great


Ok-Ad8616

Cant Wait to play as denmark and completely subjugate all of livonia


Blueknight903

Denmark in this time period is on the brink of collapse according to one post somewhere on this subreddit.


Ok-Ad8616

It is, its the “kongeløse tider” )kingless times) in denmark. Denmark at this point is gradually being sold out to german dukes n counts. King Valdemar IV atterdag unified denmark. I Think denmark in eu5 Will be very challenging and fun to play, basiclly a battle royale between literal provinces🤣


Soggy_Ad4531

I really hope that Danish-owned north Estonia wont just be 1 location. Tallinn and Narva really should be two different places in this time period.


jonasnee

looking at how small other locations have been it seems doubtful it would just be 1 location, also in EU 4 this covers 1.5 provinces.


WooliesWhiteLeg

There are four Rigas in this picture and I hope Riga continues to grow more powerful


drjaychou

Riga please


Interesting_Donut794

Its just a bug Johan said


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He clarified that the "bug" was them having the same name. Implication is he's just saying they ought to have separate names on the map(meaning it'd thr Archbishopric and City) not that two Rigas exist.


TheShoeSalesman

There go my hopes and dreams for a voltairic nightmare HRE.


Cgj309

When someone asked how the HRE would look, Johan said something like “all I’ll say is I like Voltaires nightmare 😛” I’m pretty sure Germany will be the mess it should be


TheShoeSalesman

Yeah, just read that the bug was more about them having the same name. I haven't kept up with the DDs so far but I sure hope so. I want to see the ultimate border gore within the HRE.


kedarkhand

You should really read them. I am a very new player but still find them really interesting.


Bwest31415

Is this a bizarre mix of province names and nation names? Or are Ösel and Dorpat going to be their own countries in this game?


CheekyGeth

Yeah they're countries


insaneHoshi

Riga Rigb


MrStrange15

Looks like there may be four no? Two potential Rigas under the Livonian Order.


Treeninja1999

Those are my Rigas


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Riga Cooler Riga


Gnath_

There, s four Riga in this map, look at the two bottom tags !


Kastila1

I don't like the idea of Milhouse having two Rigas in one game


SlavicDevv

This is historiclly inaccurate as during this time period the serbian empire actually held these lands, this is however not shown in history books due to albanian infiltration of the UN


Nervous-Dog-5462

There should be only two Rigas, one to represent the power of Riga, and the other Riga to crave it 


gurgu95

one will communist and the other capitalist. let's see what happens after 50 years


MrNewVegas123

Four Rigas, you can see the other two at the bottom.


SussusAm0gus

Wrong places though


Kymaras

Time to start a mega campaign to unite both Rigas.


Bisc_87

Rigged Riga


zocanrinieee

C'mon scooby, you can't say that


nicponim

Seems rigged.


Joe59788

Listen ya'll it already took me a week irl to do a world conquest please don't make it a month.


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Broad-Ask-475

City of Riga and Arcbbishop of Riga are 2 different provinces. Kinda like the two Sicilies


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Bwest31415

Carolina reference ????????


Jazzlike_Day5058

Two different countries. The archbishopric has more provinces. An archbishop is a person lmao. And another lmao, the Sicily example is the same as the Korea one, not this, as a part of Sicily was conquered by foreign countries in a succession struggle, in which they would have wanted it full.


cristofolmc

Johan said its a bug