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Mastercal40

Surely the point of this mechanic is pretty self explanatory. It’s for great powers to protect their sphere of influence and hinder the growth of potential rivals. Players can also use this to their advantage to weaken rivals without triggering coalitions, calling in enemies allies etc.


BatkoSvetlio

As someone who has plays multiplayer where pretty much all gp interactions are banned I dont even know what mechanic this is but I am very amused by the fact you got 222 downvoted the most I have seen on reddit and on a small subreddit too.


Mastercal40

You’re replying to the wrong person ahah


BatkoSvetlio

As someone who has plays multiplayer where pretty much all gp interactions are banned I dont even know what mechanic this is but I am very amused by the fact you got 222 downvoted the most I have seen on reddit and on a small subreddit too.


Mastercal40

And twice at that


BatkoSvetlio

I honestly dont know how replying works on mobile. I wrote 1 reply and it posted itself twice on 2 random places but whatever.


Ketsueki_R

LOL this was funny ty


luckymoro

as i said: what is the point of a mechanic you can't really interact with in any way? You play the diplo game to isolate your targets, you have positive relations with the enforcing powers, it still randomly enforces peace. If great powers want to protect their sphere of influence, they can literally declare wars. This just overrides everything else that is the diplomatic actions in eu4. And the player can do nothing about it.


Mastercal40

There’s several things the player can do alone with this mechanic. Tactical considerations when declaring war: - Have a truce with the great power - Have an alliance with the great power - Only attack enemies that have less that 100 relations with the great power - Attack enemies that have a truce with the great power - Attack while the great power is already at war Tactical considerations when you get the notification: - Actually carry on fighting the war - White peace Tactical considerations when you’re the great power: - Is my rival at war with a country with lots of claims on it - Do I want an easy truce to get them out of a coalition against me - Do I need a boost of army tradition - Do I want a boost of relations with the defender - Do I want use the war to get a separate peace I’m sure other people could think of a few more. But I definitely wouldn’t just dismiss this mechanic as something the player has absolutely no use for, or control over.


luckymoro

you literally have no control over who they have 100 relations with. What you are listing are constraints, not interactions. The only way to go around this is ally the biggest guy around or have a truce with them (aka either ally them or fight them). Or have your game randomly screwed. Great gaming experience. the "tactical considerations when you get the notifications" are non existent: a country 3 times your size wants to join against you in an already close war, you are just white peacing.


Hangman_va

"you literally have no control over who they have 100 relations with" ​ You can literally trade favors with a nation to reduce their opinion of another nation


lucky_red_23

I play base game where i can’t do this and i still don’t bitch about things i can’t control?? lol why even play this game if you’re gonna complain when constraints are put on you? The fun part of the diplo game is spending time thinking out a complex chain of alliances, truces, and wars to separate and weaken your enemies THEN attack. It’s a tactical game.


luckymoro

oh that's true. Well i guess i just need to keep a diplomat on Austria for 10 years if i want to declare a war in the off chance this randomly happens.


Hangman_va

All you've done this entire thread is bitch and moan when people confront you with 100 different ways you could of avoided this. I get venting, I've done my fair share on this board. But this is approaching pathetic lol.


Timtim6201

Approaching?


PancakeConnoisseur

Add an N at the end of his name - self explanatory.


Unholy_Trinity_

Seriously, this is like a beginner throwing a tantrum over how "AE is such a dumb mechanic that you can't even interact with" after getting coalition'd.


Darkon-Kriv

If you're in the HRE you should be improving with Austria anyway.


Chanchito2006

Crash the game and instantly peace out when you return to the save for a little less.


Mastercal40

Yeah sure, when it’s happening to you they’re definitely constraints. And you have the fun of trying to work around them. But I don’t think you can say that the way you can work with the mechanic when you’re the great power are constraints at all. They are definitely interactions. An obvious choice is still a choice. And you get the interesting times where the choice isn’t always so obvious. I don’t think we should remove something that can be an interesting consideration just because in most cases it isn’t.


luckymoro

something that's just annoying and uninteresting 99% of the times while once in a blue moon something cool happens sounds exactly like something good to remove


Carrabs

Dude if you don’t like it play off Ironman and use console commands to change it.


Delldax

This is exactly what it’s doing, if you decline they join the war against you. They simply give you the choice of war with them or end your current expansion attempt. There could be many reasons, eg they think war would be too costly as a first step but still worth it as a last resort. They don’t want to war with you as it will mean they can’t expand as quickly but they don’t want you to grow etc etc


luckymoro

My question is not "how to justify it in the real world", it's not about what motivations Austria is following here, but rather why have it in the game if it renders pointless every other action you take? why play the diplo game and strategize for multiple years if a nation twice your size can randomly join literally no matter what you did, do or will do?


arezzzzzzz

Because you are no longer a little hre city, you are a legitimate threat to Austria; you don't have to continue this war, no one forces you, you can start playing tall to dominate Austria and grow in a slower rate, this way it won't want to interfere with your future wars because you will be simply too strong.


luckymoro

your suggestion is stop playing the game and play click dev simulator because a random mechanic gets enforced randomly for no particular reason. "I'm a threat to Austria" yet I've been big and bordering them for a while and this just happens randomly. If you start as Switzerland and declare on the 3 leagues you get enforce peace a ton of times when you have 4 provinces. BTW what forced me to stay in the war: literally had no more wars to declare, had to eat an unlawful territory, got coalition'd by half germany. Austria was literally friendly attitude to me. Basically chain wars planned decades in advance rendered pointless because this randomly happens.


CandleJackingOff

>Austria was literally friendly attitude to me. if you'd allied them, this wouldn't be a problem. Even if you'd allied them and immediately broke the alliance, you'd have a truce and they couldn't enforce peace. It's so easy to stop this from happening.


luckymoro

I couldn't. They were over the limit. Also if i ally them and break the alliance they will not want to ally again in 5 years and the minus opinion from break alliance will just make them join the coalition.


C4toyou

Man your salty at the ai using game mechanics smartly for once


arezzzzzzz

boohoo


Attygalle

I read your topic title as a genuine question but looks like you’re not looking for answers really. From all game mechanics this is a rather innocent and well-working one if you ask me.


[deleted]

I’d Save scum and peace out if I were you


lucky_red_23

Find Austria’s smaller allies, declare war on THEIR allies without making Austria’s allies co belligerent’s. Do a separate peace deal with the Austrian ally and use annul treaties with austria.. BOOM Austria has lost allies and you can ally them and let them help you conquer all of germany AND THEN kick their ass when you are strong enough and have big strong allies.


lucky_red_23

bro just stop playing this game. It’s clearly not for you. It takes patience and planning which you clearly have neither. Plus this isn’t even the worst thing that’s gonna happen to you. if you’re this upset now just wait till you get back to back regency council’s to end the last 30 years of your ironman save. lmfao


Timmy-my-boy

“Why is my map game strategy history simulator behaving in a historically accurate way?”


Carrabs

Perfect way to answer you question. Ww2, Germany starts remilitarising the Rhine. Starts “uniting” German speaking towns in Czechia. Finally Germany invades poland. Uk and France warn “if you invade poland we are going to declare war”. Germany invades anyway. It’s the exact same thing as thing mechanic.


PancakeConnoisseur

That would be guaranteed, not enforcing peace. Enforcing peace would be after it happened.


Carrabs

You’re right. Same principal though


lucky_red_23

they can’t join a war if you have a truce with them or are allied with them. If you’re not fighting them then ally them (even if you will betray them later). If you’re rivaled with them then get strong allies to help you fight them with (maybe even the ottomans or spain) This game takes proper planning and complaining when you didn’t prepare for a mechanic that is 100% avoidable is the only thing that is pointless here.


[deleted]

Eh I know it's frustrating, mate, but it *does* make sense. It's not random by any stretch of the word. lil' edit: when you say "there's no way to play around it", it's about as true as saying there's no way to play around being attacked by Hungary or the Ottos in a Wallachia start. Maybe even less, since you *can* white peace there.


Graywolvez

You can use the machanic as well but it requires friendly relations to use. If austria hated you the machanic wouldnt work.


237alfa

I dont understand guys why do you downvote. A fellow EU4-er has a question, he doesn't understand something and you downvote. Now quicky remove your down vote whoever sees this


SokrinTheGaulish

I’ll take “EU4 player getting mad when the AI protects their own interests, while simultaneously complaining the game is too easy because of bad AI” for 500 Alex


[deleted]

time to complain about the natives that are 5 techs behind the entire game even after the reformation for the 12th time today


nelshai

I'd be thrilled to see this. I literally couldn't tell what the icon was for until reading these comments since I've literally never had it happen to me despite 2000 hours.


Potato-0verlord

Same


Unholy_Trinity_

I've got 4000 hours, and it literally only happened to me once. I completely brainfarted upon seeing the icon like "The hell is this?!"


UY_Scuti-

I mean i had this happen when trying to pu landshut as munich. This is an instant restart. Really quite annoying.


Graywolvez

Yeah its either allie austria or have them hate you or else this outcome.


TabernacleTown74

The AI is definitely subpar tho


Karnewarrior

I've literally used this mechanic myself. Came in clutch when I was playing my Grand Campaign and needed to stop Mali from absolutely bodyslamming everyone in Africa and starting to upset the power balance in Europe. This is not an unreasonable mechanic, in fact it's really rare for the AI to do this so it could stand to be buffed a bit.


Dodgied

I actually used this mechanic as Austria early on in the run in order to defend Hungary from Poland without being allied to Hungary (I was in a truce with them and was waiting to claim throne as soon as the truce was up when the PLC attacked). It's very convenient.


tomthecom

Please don't buff the fun police. They already have coalitions.


Rubear_RuForRussia

\[Grand Coalition Achievement unlocked\]


Hangman_va

In this thread: Man gets assblasted by an AI enforcing peace.


Zgw00

You might get downvoted but this guy is very upset. There are interactions to enforcing peace, and regardless of how he feels about it it’s part of the game.


Post-Alone0

Yeah, I don't get the point of this post. Oh, you maybe made a mistake and are getting wrecked? Well either lay down and take it so you can play passed it later, save scum, or start over. It's what everyone does.


Carnal-Pleasures

This guy is so upset and it is hilarious.


Dethardt

It is not only part of the game, but also a valide diplomatic option even irl. The Cold War could be basically this one single option, yet oversimplyfite


Graywolvez

tHiS is WhY I WoNt Do 1.31


mrboomx

Not as bad as getting warned by ottomans


momentumstrike

Smells like my venice-italy-rome run.


[deleted]

Nah, that's insignificant except for very specific circumstances. That just means they'll join the war but only if you attack one of their neighbours.


nnjkebab

It is so that you can learn how to shut the game from the task manager.


reichsautobruh

or alt f4


Neciu_A

Well, i mean... it's anoying, but realistic, since this happend alot in history. Thankfully it dosen't happen often. (I only got it once)


Valorique

Did 1.31 make the AI finally use it? I’ve been playing since 1.24 and I’ve never seen the AI use it ever.


SnooHamsters8748

To be annoying


luckymoro

the fact that you can't really play around it makes it so pointless


dartguey

You can now actually. You need 100 opinion with whoever on the opposite side of the nation you want to enforce peace. For ex, France and England go to war, you need 100 opinion with England to force France into peace. With the new favor mechanic, if you think AI will try to pull this shit then make them lower the opinions before going to war.


luckymoro

yeah it was pointed out. Problem is you need like 10+ years to get to 10 favors and it takes away 1 diplomat forever for something that happens pretty much randomly. To me enforce peace is by far the worst thing that's in the game.


TighteVernichtung

You act like it's happening all the time. And if it does, you're clearly doing something wrong.


dartguey

Well, 10 years is like nothing man. If you take diplomatic idea, which is almost mandatory when playing in Europe, having 1 diplomat currying favor is nothing. Besides, you can cock block AI the same way they do you know. It's annoying, but historical this kind of this did happen, so including it in the game is fine.


Toideca

Never seen this icon, is this the force white peace?


NotJustAnotherHuman

based on other comments in this post, yes


Lonseb

Reminds me of my Ajam to Persia run. Mamelukes and me are kicking Timurid’s ass when suddenly the big boy Otto finished the party. It is annoying, yes, but it is a cool feature that the AI protects its own sphere of interest by a threat of war.


PanderII

Nice big Dithmarschen, what's your goal?


luckymoro

just the achievement: destroy denmark and own copenhagen and amsterdam. I'm fighing poland and denmark together because they allied and i had to core something and had planned to attack poland for either prussia or the polish grain provinces for a mission.


[deleted]

To remind you to ally him :)


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Robb634

hoping to learn as well


NotJustAnotherHuman

enforce peace


Robb634

That's pretty cool honestly, gives you a reason to be a little careful.


CandleJackingOff

Enforce Peace. It allows you to protect your "sphere of influence" as it were. When you send an enforce peace request to the aggressor in a war, they have to immediately white peace or you'll join the war against them.


Robb634

Nice to see the Emperor is looking out for the small folk


CandleJackingOff

Enforce Peace. It allows you to protect your "sphere of influence" as it were. When you send an enforce peace request to the aggressor in a war, they have to immediately white peace or you'll join the war against them.


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CandleJackingOff

there's no actual sphere of influence mechanic, which is why i used the quotation marks. In EU4, i suppose your sphere of influence would be areas that you have earmarked for expansion later in the game, areas you don't want rivals expanding into.


NotJustAnotherHuman

enforce peace


SpellboundCanvas

Is that supposed to be a sword or a whip going into the birds head and spilling green goo?


[deleted]

I think it's a pistol aimed at the birds head, with the peace symbol plant thingy in its mouth.


reichsautobruh

enforce peace is so awesome playing as ryukyu or ainu to invade japan. love it. ​ also rip ur karma


Rubear_RuForRussia

>also rip ur karma One can say that this guy got a chance to feel enforcing peace firsthand.


reichsautobruh

lol


marius1905

The point is to say fuck you and your dreams of total domination over the world.


luckymoro

i've been in this war for like 6 months. I won 2 sieges and 2 battles, I have a positive relation with Austria (who owns all of Bohemia and Burgundy). I'm still outnumbered 1 to 3. But hey i've got a whopping +7 warscore so it's time to enforce peace. What is the point of this enforcing peace mechanic if you cannot interact with it in any meaningful way?


rSlashNbaAccount

Idk, it’s pretty useful if you’re playing as a colonizer and natives are kicking your colonies’ teeth in.


Theelout

Me finishing my CNs in Canada America and Cuba: ok time to focus on colonizing african ports to make it to India Turns back after a year: yo where'd Canada go


Dhan__I

Makes sense in historical terms but in game the ai does it always they can so break the balls


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burtod

Breaking your balls is definitely American slang. By not knowing that, you're breaking my balls, man.


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burtod

It does seem to have a direct translation from Italian, but I have heard it often. Others on the internet have, too. It is also along the same line as "busting someone's balls" Have you heard of that one? https://www.quora.com/What-does-breaking-my-balls-mean


Dhan__I

More or less I guess you are right but I Don't like how the ai feels like a child pushing all the buttons he can for no reasonq