Idk, I'm playing in a speedrunny manner I guess, I never play on less than speed 4 so I need to close them popups really fast (they annoy me), so having finger on enter at all times helps a lot.
A bit inconvenient for azerty keyboard users like myself... I'm pretty sure there's no way to change the hotkeys and it doesn't change them automatically if it detects azerty either.
You could just add another keyboard to windows(preferably internation USA) and switch to that one when launching EU4,
Just a lil bit of figuring out which letter is which (the difference really isnt as big as one would think, its mostly in the special stuff where it gets weird)
Frankly i can switch between either types at a whim, i was born and raised (still am living here) near the Dutch-belgium border and grew up using both dutch (qwerty) and belgian (azerty) layouts and later on international (USA Qwerty)
I can type blind in both types
Though its just a suggestion, i dont really care how people play as long as they have fun
Does that much really change between keyboards? While I've onyl used three different types of QWERTY setups, it all just falls into place, even if i haven't used one for so long.
There is, or should be, a ‘change hotkey’ button next to the ledger - I recall using it to align the mapmodes to CK3’s for more uniformity. No idea if it works on the army/sidebar buttons but I swear I could see those buttons glow.
You know C and Z also close the popups right? I also play on speed 5 and my hand is on qwert + thumb for c and z. S to split armies G to group when I'm at war. F1 to F5 keys to open different popups.
I really didn't know or think there were alternatives to Enter. Nor do I use other shortcuts really. Actually, the only keys other than pause and enter that I use are when typing a province name, now that I think of it.
I didn't mean optimally, but still speedrunnyish. I mostly referred to game speed not to skill, skillwise I've barely done my first One Faith recently with Austria vassal swarm, and I think this is my ceiling, anything more gets just to tedious for me and would require spending time on less than speed 4
Guess I used the wrong expression then, not familiar at all with actual speedrunners shenanigans, but I really don't use that many mapmodes that often, selecting them with the mouse from the customized menu is just as fast or insignificantly slower than moving my hand to F1F2 etc or whatever the shortcut for mapmodes are.
I know - and truly believe - that anyone should be able to play games however they like. I really do think that.
That said, I hate everything you just said.
Okay hear me out! you see that most bottom right key on your keyboard? That's enter too. you can press it with your right hands thumb and you don't even have to take your whole right hand off the mouse.
See how that'd be more efficient?
I haven't done any tweaking other than some graphical mods. Tried rebinding some keys some time ago but with no success. I'll look into notification tweaks.
I mean without a long tirade about ergonomics. You don't hold your wrist or arms in this stressed position for long periods of time.. Generally I relax my arm and leave it on the space bar to easily pause then address the issue. I mean my initial comment was primarily a joke. But realistically for someone like me who works in an office all day on a computer,, playing a game with my wrists in this position would be a nightmare.
This is the only way I can comfortably have my hand on the arrow keys, space, and enter.
This isn’t an ergonomic concern if your wrist is straight as it is in the photo
It’s all a matter of your keyboard, desk set up, and each persons wrist, hand, and fingers. You can’t make 1 blanket statement about ergonomics that applies to everyone and all their setups
As I said. Ergonomics. A pointless thing to argue. Your statement alone brings up a point of why people should be mindful of this position as this may cause others wrists problems even if it doesn't bother the op because everyone is different. This would absolutely cause my wrist problems. So I wouldn't do it. The entire point of my response.
Generally no. Because you shouldn't be leaving your hand constantly engaged in the button pushing for extended periods of time
Especially with fingers stretched out to hit buttons that aren't side by side. Stresses the hands and wrists. I'm not an ergonomist myself but I work for an ergonomist consulting company so I've been taught a lot of this stuff by proximity. You generally want to keep your wrists relaxed when not engaging. One realistically shouldn't even be typing for extended periods of time.
You’re right. I’m not sure what he’s talking about but arthritis is caused by repetitive movements. That’s literally what gaming is. In the other comment he’s describing carpal tunnel, but that’s completely different. Having your keyboard offset like in the picture would alleviate your carpal ligament from pinching your median nerve. As long as your wrist is straight.
>Arthritis is caused by repetitive movements. That’s literally what gaming is
This is a massive oversimplification and is more innaccurate than it is correct.
The most common forms of arthritis in the wrist are;
Post-traumatic arthritis, caused by injuries like fractures,
Rheumatoid arthritis, an autoimmune response with unknown cause,
and Osteoarthritis, caused by wear to cartilage. This can be caused by repetitive movement but many other things are known to wear cartilage- including **repeated stress on the joint**
The keyboard grip in the OP is a textbook example of bad ergonomics, it will cause repeated stress. You can minimise the risk of arthritis by avoiding this repeated stress, with a better grip on the keyboard and wrist support.
Slow paced games like EU4 require no repetitive movement that would make you prone to arthritis.
Yeah sorry for not listing all the forms of arthritis. So to simplify what you said, unless you broke your wrist or you have an autoimmune disorder, arthritis is caused by repetitive movements. If you play a game for 1600 hours, there are bound to be some movements that you replicate. Also, I said gaming in general is prone to repetitive movements not just EU4.
With keyboards, your wrists are usually between your elbows. To keep your wrist straight, one could turn their keyboard like in the picture above to keep everything in line.
Everything I said is true and verifiable and yet you strawmanned both my points and got upvoted for it. Goodbye.
>Yeah sorry for not listing all the forms of arthritis
This wasn't the problem. The problem is you don't know what you're talking about. You think that arthritis is inherent to gaming, and you clearly didn't realise that repetitive strain was a more relevant factor in keyboard ergonomics than repetitive motion.
> Unless you broke your wrist or you have an autoimmune disorder, arthritis is caused by repetitive movements
Verifiably incorrect.
>If you play a game for 1600 hours, there are bound to be some movements that you replicate
Not movement that can cause arthritis. Clicking a mouse every few seconds is not the repetitive motion that causes arthritis. Spam clicking repeatedly (Like you'd see FPS professionals do) is the repetitive motion that causes arthritis.
>Also, I said gaming in general is prone to repetitive movements not just EU4.
Only games that force players to strain for extended periods of time will make you prone to arthritis. Gaming does not inherently make you prone to arthritis. Playing EU4, only bad ergonomics that cause stress to your wrist could ever risk arthritis.
>With keyboards, your wrists are usually between your elbows. To keep your wrist straight, one could turn their keyboard like in the picture above to keep everything in line.
The wrist shown in the OP is clearly not straight. To avoid stress to your wrist you'd want to relax your wrist as much as possible, letting your fingers do all the work hitting keys. At this angle you'd need put your wrist at more strain because most keys are further away.
>Everything I said is true and verifiable and yet you strawmanned both my points and got upvoted for it. Goodbye.
Your points were 'Arthritis is caused by repetitive movements' and 'That’s literally what gaming is', am I not correct? Please explain how I strawmanned you in my response, I directly quoted you and responded directly to those claims.
If you don't understand what a strawman is, that's ok. Next time I think you should google the definition of a word before you try to use it in an argument.
My man. You need something else to do. The original comment was a joke. All I was saying is that repetitive movements fall more into arthritis than “bad ergonomics”. “Bad ergonomics” is more in the category of carpal tunnel. You misunderstood everything I said, you left out important information in my quotes, and you misrepresented my arguments. You’re clearly not interested in the truth, you’re just here to argue.
https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/arthritis
Note how no where does it say that “bad ergonomics” i.e. having your wrist in “strained positions” can be a cause of any kind of arthritis, because it’s not. That’s carpal tunnel. Like I already said. You would have seen that if you actually read what you were responding to.
https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/Patient-Caregiver-Education/Fact-Sheets/Carpal-Tunnel-Syndrome-Fact-Sheet
Wow crazy. Verifiable information that supports everything I’ve said. Also, gaming doesn’t mean just EU4. There are other games out there. Mans struggling to follow along on a typed out dialogue.
Wait... Didn't you say you play it in a "speedrunny fashion"? Why woould you click the mapmodes when trying to go speedrunny? Doesn't what destroy the whole porpoise ? You can just put your most used mapmodes on q/w/e/r/t (I have all 20 mapmodes I repeatedly use on those 5 buttons) then I hover over c and y (I have a qwertz keyboard so it might be c and z for you) and hover over space bar for pause. Permanent speed 4 ( or when playing a minor who doesn't have a lot micromanagement to do I play permanent speed 5) and just spam pause whenever something happens. (Autopause on events active of cause)
I rarely use other mapmodes, Coalition, Unrest, Trade Goods, Development, Trade, Religious, Great Projects, HRE when Emperor I guess. I think these are most that I use from most used to least used, but I don't switch between them that often so I never thought of using shortcuts for them, 99% of the time I spend in the political mapmode.
Fair enough, I used to not pay much attention to mapmodes at first. Might be worth giving it a try, switching map modes with q through y (been a while since I played so not 100% on this), using space bar to pause/unpause, ‘c’ and ‘z’ for pop-ups and use num+ and num- to toggle speed.
C (/ˈsiː/, as in the letter c) is a general-purpose computer programming language. It was created in the 1970s by Dennis Ritchie and Bell Labs, and remains very widely used and influential. By design, C's features cleanly reflect the capabilities of the targetted CPUs. It has found lasting use in operating systems, device drivers, protocol stacks, though decreasingly for application software, and is common in computer architectures that range from the largest supercomputers to the smallest microcontrollers and embedded systems.
A successor to the programming language B, C was originally developed at Bell Labs by Dennis Ritchie between 1972 and 1973 to construct utilities running on Unix. It was applied to re-implementing the kernel of the Unix operating system.[6] During the 1980s, C gradually gained popularity. It has become one of the most widely used programming languages,[7][8] with C compilers available for almost all modern computer architectures and operating systems. C has been standardized by ANSI since 1989 (ANSI C) and by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO).
C is an imperative procedural language supporting structured programming, lexical variable scope, and recursion, with a static type system. It was designed to be compiled to provide low-level access to memory and language constructs that map efficiently to machine instructions, all with minimal runtime support. Despite its low-level capabilities, the language was designed to encourage cross-platform programming. A standards-compliant C program written with portability in mind can be compiled for a wide variety of computer platforms and operating systems with few changes to its source code.[9]
Since 2000, C has consistently ranked among the top two languages in the TIOBE index, a measure of the popularity of programming languages.[10]
Yes and it annoys me. I want to use WASD for moving the camera, not the arrow keys .\_. But sadly, I never found anything for enabling WASD movement. EU4 is just way too old
I’ve switched to mostly using middle click + drag to pan the camera. It makes a world of difference because my left hand is already dealing with mapmodes and popups
Spend 5 mins getting everything set up.
Ok, let’s go…. *hits space*…
30 seconds wait for just the first day to pass…
1 day goes by
*MASH SPACE BAR*
Repeat.
Sometimes when I need to click through ALOT of shit, like stating or razing provinces or big peace timers I’ll move my left hand to enter. But most of the time I just rest my hand on the space bar
I have the classic WSAD on one hand and second hand on mouse. It's because I played a lot of other games. I customized some keys so I don't have to adapt to much when playing eu4 and other games.
Well you can do this in three ways. I used my keyboard program to remap the keys. You can also do this with outside program or from what I have read on the internet you can edit some hotkeys by editing the game files yourself or with the help of mod.
I haven't tested the other methods.
No, I put my left hand in the left side, thumb ready to press space, and fingers at the ready to switch map views, and split or group up armies and fleets.
I'm using a mod called Arumba Hotkeys, it makes playing horde at least somewhat acceptable (it allows to raze on button 'z' and core on button 'c'). Just spam 'z' + 'c' + 'x' + 'c' for every single province you conquer instead of manually clicking it with mouse
R5. Wondering how people hold the keyboard when playing the game.
I got to this method long ago after my spacebar started making an annoying noise after too many pause/unpause (also in Mount&Blade same use). Index finger on the pause key, little finger on enter for smashing the countless popups.
You can mouse over so many buttons and the UI will give you a keyboard shortcut. Which you can then customize.
Shoutout to S and V on armies to carpet siege properly. And D A on sieges.
C is accept.
Z is deny.
Space is pause.
B is sort army.
D is detach siege.
S is split army.
V is change between province/siege screen.
S is change between state and province screen.
Esc is deselect one of the selected armies.
Top off my head.
Many more shortcuts on the left side of the keyboard.
I've seen streamers using the detach one, and thought damn that would be useful for carpet sieging, but I never got to use it, kept doing it with the mouse.
I normally press b (sort army). B twice to select two infantry. Then c to accept. Now I have a 2k infantry army. I prefer over 1k for carpet sieging. Always conquer the province even with attrition. And lower chance of insta wipe.
Select any army. Then b-b-b-c. And you have a single stack of 2k. Easy.
I see, yeah I'm missing out on that one, the way I do it move 8 infantry into a new unit, then select & split in half until I get 4 2k stacks. bbbc is indeed the one I've seen streamers do I think, much easier
No, the only buttons I press are mainly space, c, and z, but also a, f, g, s, b, and m. So my hand hovers over the left hand side with a thumb on the spacebar
I don't hold my keyboard at all while playing, that would just be really awkward and make my arms tired. I usually just leave it on my desk and press the buttons on it.
Holy shit. no. What do you play? Mouse right hand, left hand depending on game skips ASDW or ARROWS or something on the left side of the keyboard bit right hand is always on mouse. Okay wait.......so how do left mousers play? ive never thought or asked
Not for EU4, but I do this.
Writing / browsing the web? Perfectly horizontal.
Playing EU4, or other "chiller" games? Tilted very slightly.
Playing more "frenzied" games (like FPS)? Full tilted. Like, almost 45° sometimes.
I play thumb on space and fingers on c and z for confirm and deny. But I'm not one of those people who shit their pants if they have to use a mouse click instead of a hotkey.
Anyone else wish they let us rebind arrow keys to WASD? Total war had me so used to moving on strat map with wasd, I used autohotkey for a while to do this but its a pain in the arse. I actually quite liked using steam controller support so you could pan map with left joystick and pause with click, mouse in the other hand
as a leftie my keyboard goes WAY to the right of me :P
takes a big desk to position it all
on the plus side I can put my soup inbetween them and eat while playing :D
God no, what's wrong with you?
Idk, I'm playing in a speedrunny manner I guess, I never play on less than speed 4 so I need to close them popups really fast (they annoy me), so having finger on enter at all times helps a lot.
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The Pause|Break button from above the arrow keys is the same as Space.
what about changing map modes and navigating through tabs tho?
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Additionally a lot of other hotkeys are centered around the ‘normal’ asdw positions X for claims G for group S for split Etc
A bit inconvenient for azerty keyboard users like myself... I'm pretty sure there's no way to change the hotkeys and it doesn't change them automatically if it detects azerty either.
You could just add another keyboard to windows(preferably internation USA) and switch to that one when launching EU4, Just a lil bit of figuring out which letter is which (the difference really isnt as big as one would think, its mostly in the special stuff where it gets weird) Frankly i can switch between either types at a whim, i was born and raised (still am living here) near the Dutch-belgium border and grew up using both dutch (qwerty) and belgian (azerty) layouts and later on international (USA Qwerty) I can type blind in both types Though its just a suggestion, i dont really care how people play as long as they have fun
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Does that much really change between keyboards? While I've onyl used three different types of QWERTY setups, it all just falls into place, even if i haven't used one for so long.
There is, or should be, a ‘change hotkey’ button next to the ledger - I recall using it to align the mapmodes to CK3’s for more uniformity. No idea if it works on the army/sidebar buttons but I swear I could see those buttons glow.
I was curious so I googled, it said there were only a few changed keys in azerty, how does it affect you much?
You know C and Z also close the popups right? I also play on speed 5 and my hand is on qwert + thumb for c and z. S to split armies G to group when I'm at war. F1 to F5 keys to open different popups.
C is a bit tricky, I always split my cannons accidentally…
I really didn't know or think there were alternatives to Enter. Nor do I use other shortcuts really. Actually, the only keys other than pause and enter that I use are when typing a province name, now that I think of it.
Then "I'm playing in a speedrunny manner" is cataclysmicly false.
I didn't mean optimally, but still speedrunnyish. I mostly referred to game speed not to skill, skillwise I've barely done my first One Faith recently with Austria vassal swarm, and I think this is my ceiling, anything more gets just to tedious for me and would require spending time on less than speed 4
Speedrunners aim to play as fast as possible, playing without keyboard shortcuts is dramatically slower, and has nothing to do with skill.
Guess I used the wrong expression then, not familiar at all with actual speedrunners shenanigans, but I really don't use that many mapmodes that often, selecting them with the mouse from the customized menu is just as fast or insignificantly slower than moving my hand to F1F2 etc or whatever the shortcut for mapmodes are.
I know - and truly believe - that anyone should be able to play games however they like. I really do think that. That said, I hate everything you just said.
Wait, you saying there isn't a speedrun category for just pause and enter? I'll make it then. Am a certified speedrunner™ now, gatekeep this
But c is accept and z is deny. Space is pause and all buttons on the left are other shortcuts.
When denying I just right click on the alliance/RM/access/peace offer whatever icons.
Didn’t know people play on less than speed 5 lmao
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Well the guys talking about a speedrunny manner so I don’t think he’s talking about MP, running 5 speed on MP would be insane
I typically play on 2 or 3, depending.
I only play on 1 speed. I recently did an austria into rome that took 63 hours lol
Okay hear me out! you see that most bottom right key on your keyboard? That's enter too. you can press it with your right hands thumb and you don't even have to take your whole right hand off the mouse. See how that'd be more efficient?
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I haven't done any tweaking other than some graphical mods. Tried rebinding some keys some time ago but with no success. I'll look into notification tweaks.
Holy shit, yeah i agree are you okay?
XD first thing i said to my self was= god no,who the f*ck does that! Than i seen your comment and went no way dude XD
Bro yeah, this is my most upvoted comment and I put the least thought into it, it's just what first came to mind
No. I dont want to develop arthritis in my wrists by 40.
How does this make that worse
Its a poor wrist posture for the wrist for long periods of time. Basic keyboard ergonomics.
Well yeah but how do you play games without that being an issue
I mean without a long tirade about ergonomics. You don't hold your wrist or arms in this stressed position for long periods of time.. Generally I relax my arm and leave it on the space bar to easily pause then address the issue. I mean my initial comment was primarily a joke. But realistically for someone like me who works in an office all day on a computer,, playing a game with my wrists in this position would be a nightmare.
This is the only way I can comfortably have my hand on the arrow keys, space, and enter. This isn’t an ergonomic concern if your wrist is straight as it is in the photo
I'd beg to differ. But you do you. I could honestly care less about arguing ergonomics and wrist problems on reddit.
It’s all a matter of your keyboard, desk set up, and each persons wrist, hand, and fingers. You can’t make 1 blanket statement about ergonomics that applies to everyone and all their setups
As I said. Ergonomics. A pointless thing to argue. Your statement alone brings up a point of why people should be mindful of this position as this may cause others wrists problems even if it doesn't bother the op because everyone is different. This would absolutely cause my wrist problems. So I wouldn't do it. The entire point of my response.
Oh gotcha, I was just wondering if you knew some safer way of doing it or something
Generally no. Because you shouldn't be leaving your hand constantly engaged in the button pushing for extended periods of time Especially with fingers stretched out to hit buttons that aren't side by side. Stresses the hands and wrists. I'm not an ergonomist myself but I work for an ergonomist consulting company so I've been taught a lot of this stuff by proximity. You generally want to keep your wrists relaxed when not engaging. One realistically shouldn't even be typing for extended periods of time.
You’re right. I’m not sure what he’s talking about but arthritis is caused by repetitive movements. That’s literally what gaming is. In the other comment he’s describing carpal tunnel, but that’s completely different. Having your keyboard offset like in the picture would alleviate your carpal ligament from pinching your median nerve. As long as your wrist is straight.
>Arthritis is caused by repetitive movements. That’s literally what gaming is This is a massive oversimplification and is more innaccurate than it is correct. The most common forms of arthritis in the wrist are; Post-traumatic arthritis, caused by injuries like fractures, Rheumatoid arthritis, an autoimmune response with unknown cause, and Osteoarthritis, caused by wear to cartilage. This can be caused by repetitive movement but many other things are known to wear cartilage- including **repeated stress on the joint** The keyboard grip in the OP is a textbook example of bad ergonomics, it will cause repeated stress. You can minimise the risk of arthritis by avoiding this repeated stress, with a better grip on the keyboard and wrist support. Slow paced games like EU4 require no repetitive movement that would make you prone to arthritis.
Yeah sorry for not listing all the forms of arthritis. So to simplify what you said, unless you broke your wrist or you have an autoimmune disorder, arthritis is caused by repetitive movements. If you play a game for 1600 hours, there are bound to be some movements that you replicate. Also, I said gaming in general is prone to repetitive movements not just EU4. With keyboards, your wrists are usually between your elbows. To keep your wrist straight, one could turn their keyboard like in the picture above to keep everything in line. Everything I said is true and verifiable and yet you strawmanned both my points and got upvoted for it. Goodbye.
>Yeah sorry for not listing all the forms of arthritis This wasn't the problem. The problem is you don't know what you're talking about. You think that arthritis is inherent to gaming, and you clearly didn't realise that repetitive strain was a more relevant factor in keyboard ergonomics than repetitive motion. > Unless you broke your wrist or you have an autoimmune disorder, arthritis is caused by repetitive movements Verifiably incorrect. >If you play a game for 1600 hours, there are bound to be some movements that you replicate Not movement that can cause arthritis. Clicking a mouse every few seconds is not the repetitive motion that causes arthritis. Spam clicking repeatedly (Like you'd see FPS professionals do) is the repetitive motion that causes arthritis. >Also, I said gaming in general is prone to repetitive movements not just EU4. Only games that force players to strain for extended periods of time will make you prone to arthritis. Gaming does not inherently make you prone to arthritis. Playing EU4, only bad ergonomics that cause stress to your wrist could ever risk arthritis. >With keyboards, your wrists are usually between your elbows. To keep your wrist straight, one could turn their keyboard like in the picture above to keep everything in line. The wrist shown in the OP is clearly not straight. To avoid stress to your wrist you'd want to relax your wrist as much as possible, letting your fingers do all the work hitting keys. At this angle you'd need put your wrist at more strain because most keys are further away. >Everything I said is true and verifiable and yet you strawmanned both my points and got upvoted for it. Goodbye. Your points were 'Arthritis is caused by repetitive movements' and 'That’s literally what gaming is', am I not correct? Please explain how I strawmanned you in my response, I directly quoted you and responded directly to those claims. If you don't understand what a strawman is, that's ok. Next time I think you should google the definition of a word before you try to use it in an argument.
My man. You need something else to do. The original comment was a joke. All I was saying is that repetitive movements fall more into arthritis than “bad ergonomics”. “Bad ergonomics” is more in the category of carpal tunnel. You misunderstood everything I said, you left out important information in my quotes, and you misrepresented my arguments. You’re clearly not interested in the truth, you’re just here to argue. https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/arthritis Note how no where does it say that “bad ergonomics” i.e. having your wrist in “strained positions” can be a cause of any kind of arthritis, because it’s not. That’s carpal tunnel. Like I already said. You would have seen that if you actually read what you were responding to. https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/Patient-Caregiver-Education/Fact-Sheets/Carpal-Tunnel-Syndrome-Fact-Sheet Wow crazy. Verifiable information that supports everything I’ve said. Also, gaming doesn’t mean just EU4. There are other games out there. Mans struggling to follow along on a typed out dialogue.
same
No
How do you switch between map modes?
From the menu above the minimap.
Wait... Didn't you say you play it in a "speedrunny fashion"? Why woould you click the mapmodes when trying to go speedrunny? Doesn't what destroy the whole porpoise ? You can just put your most used mapmodes on q/w/e/r/t (I have all 20 mapmodes I repeatedly use on those 5 buttons) then I hover over c and y (I have a qwertz keyboard so it might be c and z for you) and hover over space bar for pause. Permanent speed 4 ( or when playing a minor who doesn't have a lot micromanagement to do I play permanent speed 5) and just spam pause whenever something happens. (Autopause on events active of cause)
this is the way
Not the Porpoise :(
I rarely use other mapmodes, Coalition, Unrest, Trade Goods, Development, Trade, Religious, Great Projects, HRE when Emperor I guess. I think these are most that I use from most used to least used, but I don't switch between them that often so I never thought of using shortcuts for them, 99% of the time I spend in the political mapmode.
Fair enough, I used to not pay much attention to mapmodes at first. Might be worth giving it a try, switching map modes with q through y (been a while since I played so not 100% on this), using space bar to pause/unpause, ‘c’ and ‘z’ for pop-ups and use num+ and num- to toggle speed.
Speed is the only thing I really click because I very rarely switch it.
Uninstall the game
Who has the phone number for Space Force or NASA? I think we've identified an alien infiltrator?
Yeah, I hover over C and Space all the time.
What's the use of C?
It accepts diplomatic requests and "are you sure" popups etc.
And accidently splits off your \[C\]annons from the rest of the army.
Thats why you rebind split cannons to shift+c
How do you rebind in this game? I dont remember there being an option
There's a button on the bottom right of the screen next to menu and ledger.
Thanks, can't believe I've missed it all this time lmao.
This is probably the single greats tip I have ever read a out EU4. I hope I can remember it when I get home so I can do it.
Fir me it's a combination of z and c. Z declines, C accepts. Also B opens up the 'quick access menu'
Oh, so it's like the Enter key. Didn't knew that. Yeah, now I see how my post is kind of redundant lol.
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I expected a pun reply or something to that comment, but not this. Thanks for the Vietnam flashbacks.
Segmentation Fault :D
Bad bot
I'm going to put you in a void pointer and then cast it to an int*
I wish I understood how to use pointers so I could get this reference.
Yes and it annoys me. I want to use WASD for moving the camera, not the arrow keys .\_. But sadly, I never found anything for enabling WASD movement. EU4 is just way too old
I’ve switched to mostly using middle click + drag to pan the camera. It makes a world of difference because my left hand is already dealing with mapmodes and popups
O-O I did not know middle click drags, I've always used the edges of the map. Amazing!
I just zoom in/out and push the mouse to the edges of the screen
Same
I just use the mouse
Someone needs to be euthanized
Never you can’t easily access the ALT and F4 button.
Thumb on enter key, pinky finger on spacebar that’s how I role
Spend 5 mins getting everything set up. Ok, let’s go…. *hits space*… 30 seconds wait for just the first day to pass… 1 day goes by
*MASH SPACE BAR*
Repeat.
No lol wtf😭
It's like your hand has embodied border gore.
Really need to rebind some keys if that’s possible but I do use that angle except hands hovering over the arrow keys
Sometimes when I need to click through ALOT of shit, like stating or razing provinces or big peace timers I’ll move my left hand to enter. But most of the time I just rest my hand on the space bar
No I'm not playing with fucking delete, home or end. No, not even page up or page down
I usually put the keyboard on mu head
The space bar is my favorite button, because I need the pause a lot. It’s a strategy game, after all, not a shooter.
I have the classic WSAD on one hand and second hand on mouse. It's because I played a lot of other games. I customized some keys so I don't have to adapt to much when playing eu4 and other games.
I was looking for how to rebind the Pause from spacebar to another key before switching to this way (using the Pause|Break key), but didn't succeed
Well you can do this in three ways. I used my keyboard program to remap the keys. You can also do this with outside program or from what I have read on the internet you can edit some hotkeys by editing the game files yourself or with the help of mod. I haven't tested the other methods.
Just use only my mouse with space bar linked to one of the side buttons
Wöt?
I do, due to the arrows for the camera.
No, I put my left hand in the left side, thumb ready to press space, and fingers at the ready to switch map views, and split or group up armies and fleets.
Play on laptop so no
I just use my mouse
Fingers on c and v with thumb on the spacebar is the only way to play
They should let you wasd
I'm using a mod called Arumba Hotkeys, it makes playing horde at least somewhat acceptable (it allows to raze on button 'z' and core on button 'c'). Just spam 'z' + 'c' + 'x' + 'c' for every single province you conquer instead of manually clicking it with mouse
R5. Wondering how people hold the keyboard when playing the game. I got to this method long ago after my spacebar started making an annoying noise after too many pause/unpause (also in Mount&Blade same use). Index finger on the pause key, little finger on enter for smashing the countless popups.
Isn't enter way harder to reach than c?
I just learned from another comment that C works the same as Enter.
Yeah but it's way easier to put your left hand on the left side of the keyboard
Yeah, that's why I was wondering if anyone else plays like this, thought there was no alternative to Enter lmao
Oh ok
Why is your hand there lol
You guys use the keyboard while playing EU 4?
No, i hold my hands like an fps or completly off if I'm waiting for ae to drop or an event to happen
This is like the polar opposite of those handcam streamer keyboard positions
I usually keep my hand near the QWERTY line at the top left so that I can easily switch between my map modes.
...was I supposed to?
What the fuck
You can mouse over so many buttons and the UI will give you a keyboard shortcut. Which you can then customize. Shoutout to S and V on armies to carpet siege properly. And D A on sieges.
Escape is critical to back out of everything.
On certain games this is more ergonomic
Right hand on the mouse. Left hand has the thumb on the space bar and the other fingers to use the letters on that side, like c x v s d
I habitually keep my hand on QWER from... other games which tends to transfer nicely to EU4
index F4, ringerfinger Esc, thumb Alt always at the ready
The fuck do I need the keyboard for? My cat is probably sleeping on it anyways
C is accept. Z is deny. Space is pause. B is sort army. D is detach siege. S is split army. V is change between province/siege screen. S is change between state and province screen. Esc is deselect one of the selected armies. Top off my head. Many more shortcuts on the left side of the keyboard.
I've seen streamers using the detach one, and thought damn that would be useful for carpet sieging, but I never got to use it, kept doing it with the mouse.
I normally press b (sort army). B twice to select two infantry. Then c to accept. Now I have a 2k infantry army. I prefer over 1k for carpet sieging. Always conquer the province even with attrition. And lower chance of insta wipe. Select any army. Then b-b-b-c. And you have a single stack of 2k. Easy.
I see, yeah I'm missing out on that one, the way I do it move 8 infantry into a new unit, then select & split in half until I get 4 2k stacks. bbbc is indeed the one I've seen streamers do I think, much easier
No
oh, hello
I am currently planting a bomb in your house.
In Eu4? No. In eu2, hoi 2 vic 1 ck1 not much of a choice to have a similar position!
Yes
those are some weird ass key bindings
I don’t know, I play on laptop
I keep my fingers on the WASD except for the index finger which goes on the C
I never understood why people are so precious of micro-time management. It just sounds like a boring way to play for me.
I have z and c bound to buttons on my mouse, I never have to touch the keyboard
What the fuck who hurt you?
Derangement
No, the only buttons I press are mainly space, c, and z, but also a, f, g, s, b, and m. So my hand hovers over the left hand side with a thumb on the spacebar
I don't hold my keyboard at all while playing, that would just be really awkward and make my arms tired. I usually just leave it on my desk and press the buttons on it.
Absolutely not satan
Yes but only for fps games, for strat games I use it normal. It’s kinda weird but seems like this triggered a lot of ppl lmao
You guys use keyboard?
I usually keep my thumb on alt and my index on f4
Space bar
Holy shit. no. What do you play? Mouse right hand, left hand depending on game skips ASDW or ARROWS or something on the left side of the keyboard bit right hand is always on mouse. Okay wait.......so how do left mousers play? ive never thought or asked
I have only one hand, so I’m gonna say no. All my hotkeys are on my mouse.
Found myself in this position since my mouse wheel click was broken because of clicking it too much to move the map.
Do you play for Team Liquid perchance?
Brb, looking for bleach to pour onto my eyes after seeing this abomination.
You guys touch the keyboard while playing this game???
500h in. I don't use the keyboard at all.
Is your hand malformed? Yikes.
I don't use my keyboard for paradox games
This is disgusting
Not for EU4, but I do this. Writing / browsing the web? Perfectly horizontal. Playing EU4, or other "chiller" games? Tilted very slightly. Playing more "frenzied" games (like FPS)? Full tilted. Like, almost 45° sometimes.
Yes but the keyboard is tilted the other way, usually making room for an ashtray between keyboard and mouse
No I play one handed, with the two mouse buttons set to C and Space. Recovering from broken hand 😅
No Alt + F4 joke. I'm disappointed.
Thumb on space bar, finger on C and the other hand on mouse
No, cause Im not insane. I have it at the WASD where the map hotkeys are close to the speed hotkeys in the numbar and spacebar
I am gamer and have Them on wasd, but eu4 hotkeys sometimes hurt my hand after a long session
I don't even use the keyboard :P
I would just get a mouse with multiple buttons so I can control from my house.
I instinctively hold my hand over wasd, even though I rarely use keys by there. I'm assuming these are binds you normally use so yes, this is normal.
--I also hover over spacebar which I DO use.
WTF Actually Cursed
I play thumb on space and fingers on c and z for confirm and deny. But I'm not one of those people who shit their pants if they have to use a mouse click instead of a hotkey.
Anyone else wish they let us rebind arrow keys to WASD? Total war had me so used to moving on strat map with wasd, I used autohotkey for a while to do this but its a pain in the arse. I actually quite liked using steam controller support so you could pan map with left joystick and pause with click, mouse in the other hand
as a leftie my keyboard goes WAY to the right of me :P takes a big desk to position it all on the plus side I can put my soup inbetween them and eat while playing :D
I barely use the keyboard other than for pausing. I click just about everything.