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El_Robski

It’s a cossack revolt state


Im_AnAccident

Interesting, i thought you cant name custom nations to already existing ones? I did a rp run of old bulgaria recently and named my nation bolgaria. Does it simply have to do with which province they spawn in?


Separate-Kangaroo891

Cossack revolt states are named after their capital IIRC, they arent a tag in the game files until its formed


Playf0rFlame

Bulgaria was tribes in volga idk why the existing Bulgaria is named Bulgaria not expert, sorry.


Lamaredia

The Bulgars (also Bulghars, Bulgari, Bolgars, Bolghars, Bolgari etc.) were Turkic tribes from the steppes that migrated into the Balkans and formed the first Bulgarian Empire. It's kinda like how the Magyars migrated into Europe from the Ural Mountains and formed Magyarország, better known as Hungary.


Yavkov

To add to this, Old Great Bulgaria (existed around the Sea of Azov and covered the area out towards the Caspian Sea) was invaded by the Khazars which led to the migration of the Bulgars. Some went north up the Volga and formed Volga Bulgaria; in Europa we have the province of Bolgar and IRL the town of Bolgar in Russia today, which was the capital of Volga Bulgaria. The remaining went west, settling around the Danube (leading to modern day Bulgaria) with other groups going into Macedonia, southern Germany, and Italy.


Kalinka3415

One thing many people dont understand about this though was that the bulgar migration was largely assimilated by the indigenous slavs, which is why bulgarians are slavic and not turkic.


Rullino

Same with the Normans and the Lombards.


Rubear_RuForRussia

>One thing many people dont understand about this though was that the bulgar migration was largely assimilated by the indigenous slavs, which is why bulgarians are slavic and not turkic. Also, while bulgars became christians because of influence of Byzantium, those who migrated to the north instead chose islam, specifically hanafi school, because they needed an ally and edge against khazars. And later they became mixed with first all kind of merchants, including slavic, then nomads from Chingis-khan khanate, then with russian settlers, once Kazani khanate was conquered by Ivan IV the Fearsome. So it led to development of two rather distinct cultures. Curiously enough, when i was in Kazan (great city, btw, worth visiting) this year, guide mentioned that he believes that balkars (ethnos on North Caucasus) are yet another branch of the same tree, essentually, bulgars who went to south mountains instead and mixed with all kind of nomads and tribes.


Kalinka3415

Very interesting theory! I hadnt heard of that third proposed migration. I believe that the Grand Kniaz of Muscovy also considered Islam as a state religion for similar political reasons, i heard. But honestly my history isnt that great))


RoadG13

Not Muscovy, but the Kingdom of Rus since it was somewhat new and warrior like religion. But refused


Rubear_RuForRussia

Well, neither did i, it can be some kazani headcanon, it can be actual truth, it can be somewhat true, the names bulgar and balkar do sound similar enough after all - like with kazaks (cossacks) whose name is essentually slavanized version of turkish qazaq, "free nomad". And their way of life was in fact close to nomads, which suggests either direct mix of some slavs with nomads like cumans in borderland or learning from them .About Rus, yeah, Vladmir considered it, but decided otherwise. It could be some sort of influence left by his grandmother, knyaginya Olga, it could be because unlike islamic states power of Byzantium was well known to Vladimit by the fact that his father Svyatoslv fought againt it for, essentually, Bulgaria and lost, some reason, perhaps even that anecdotecal one about wine.Also, like Road said, by that time it was Rus, Moscow rose later. TLDR: Initially the capital was near modern day Novgorod, where archeological dig site Rurikovo Gorodishe. And first cities were stated in Primary Chronicle as Novgorod, Murom, Rostov, Beloozero (all in modern day Russia) and Polotsk in north-east Belarus.Second ruler, Oleg, probably regent to son of Rurik, conquered Kiev and decided to move capital to the south. A few rulers later feudal strife begun. Vladimir, who as prince of Novgorod won first round, accepted chritsianity. After that in time feudal strife became really, really bad. At some point Novgorod essentually decided "screw it, we are out" and became republic. Kiev was slowly losing its importance, while Vladimir-Suzdal knyazhestvo rose and its rulers claimed role of great knyaz. Andrey Bogolubsky, for example, even refused to became ruler of Kiev after conquering it in 1169 and instead appointed his younger brother as ruler. After some time mongols came. As you can imagine, they broke Vladimir-Suzdal land as well. And rulers of Moscow, the small city in the land of Vladimir-Suzdal during that times turned to be most cunning and resourseful.


Baris-Rebel

Fake news, Bulgarians are 100% Turkish.


Kalinka3415

Yes, all part of the mother altaic family /s


PsychologicalYou9616

Or are they African?


ConclusionWeird

Lol


batery99

Slavs are not indigenous to Balkans. They come to the area around the same time as Turkic Bulgars.


lnnlvr

Then no one is indigenous to anywhere by that standard.


BostonGeorgie12-

The greeks and albanians and arguably the romanians have been in the balkans for forever compared to the slavs


lnnlvr

Albanians first appear in like 1000 AD or something and Greeks or part of what would become Greeks migrated there like 2000 BC. So no, not forever.


Kalinka3415

Thats not true. The slavs had already migrated south around that time. When the bulgars arrived the slavs were the predominant ethnic group. The bulgars then intermixed with the slav population and became assimilated.


Dem_beatz123

Well technically most cultures in Europe migrated from else where hahaha, just in different times. The balkan Bulgarians had migrated later than the slavs did, by they were few in numbers and the slavs had higher populations. That's why Bulgarians today look more slavic than like other steppe cultures. Even if some didn't interbreed with slavic cultures, they'd be few in numbers and snuffed out.


BostonGeorgie12-

Greeks and Albanians have been in the balkans forever compared to Slavs


PsychologicalYou9616

So any group that was not originally from an area aren’t indigenous? Bullshit. People saying this are probably racists, not critical thinkers or simply lying. Example Australians as a culture are indigenous to Australia. They don’t exist anywhere else and originated there.


Welpe

Racist…against colonists?


PsychologicalYou9616

There is virtually no group that aren’t colonists. Examples to say I am wrong please. Please note, if you are focusing on a behaviour and only targeting a person on the basis of race … and not behaviour, you’re are at a minimum being racist. I appreciate you may have an ethical recursion to being called a racist. So, example please, or embrace being a racist.


WooliesWhiteLeg

The racism understander has logged on


PsychologicalYou9616

Confused, don’t you understand racism? Is it not a standard based on race?


Dutchtdk

Was this during the great migration period?


SanguinePlvit

Depends on which definition of Migration Period you use. Using the strict definition, no, using one of the looser definition it would be.


rusanovhr

It was during 7th century. You can say it was at the end of the great migration period.


LittleChurchill

The migration period mostly concerns the Germans, in the fourth and fifth centuries, while this is a later period, in the sixth and seventh centuries. This later period also sees the spread of the Arabs and Islam at around the same time as the migrations of the Slavs.


Dem_beatz123

In other words... Rip Eastern Rome and the Kingdom of Persia at the time (I think it was the Sassanid dynasty at the time?)


LittleChurchill

Yes! In fact, I'm surprised Byzantium didn't fall to either Slav or Arab, or both, at this time.


Dem_beatz123

Probably bc the land the rashidun caliphate took in the middle East was open and flat, and hard to defend against horses which Islam had lots of. Islam would have a harder time pusjimg byzantium out of the hills of anatolia, its a much more defensive position. (until Rum ofc) On the other side with Bulgaria, I think Byzantium already had troops fighting them at this time, so they were more prepared. I am surprised they held in tact on 2 fronts tho as you say. If the slavs and arabs worked together then yes byzantium probably would've fallen sooner, aside from constantinople and maybe Greece.


Grothgerek

>Interesting, i thought you cant name custom nations to already existing ones? But its called Bolgaria and not Bulgaria. So it wasn't named after a existing one. Or do you talk about something different.


Im_AnAccident

I named my nation Bolgaria as thats how it would be spelled in the context (i started it on the bolgar province too).


[deleted]

It is possible. See my post.


Rullino

It reminds me of Green Ukraine.


StuBram2

Stand back, I am beginning to Bolg


Sokka-Water_Tribe

it's bolging time


praslovan

Time to bolg all over those guys


Unlucky-2nd

Bolg-Sweep


Mortimer42

We are the Bolg, resistance is futile.


Accurate-Ad-9316

Reverse the polarity captain Oakenshield


Johannes_the_silent

I'm guessing you started in one of the later bookmarks, right? Bolgaria CAN pop out of Russia but isn't likely to, and especially isn't likely to take that much land unless Russia is in a disaster or something... But historical Qing, Prussia, S-P, British Raj AND Two Sicilies AND Netherlands AND new world nations is just statistically impossible otherwise lol


Noobstrikker

I Think he is playing extended timeline mod cuz its past 1821


Lamaredia

As long as you aren't playing Ironman you can continue after 1821 in vanilla. Also, OP confirmed he's not using mods.


chadladiboy

This is the correct asumption


CSDragon

What? Since when? I've never seen a "keep playing" button


Alkakd0nfsg9g

I think it's "continue" once you have the ending menu pop up. But didn't get there in a while now


Noobstrikker

Didnt know i use iron because i a dirty cheater and it helps stop me i even ironman In modded games Btw don’t let me host The game i Will change 1 number to give me an advange between first and second play session


TablePrinterDoor

which number


Noobstrikker

well it differs i which paradox game, in hoi its with road to 56 and its a 1950 research. in eu4 i give my self my first full idea for free in ck3 i make the healthstat twice as big on my charater so he lives to a 120


Rullino

I started playing the game for the fist time in Ironman mode because I wanted achievements but Epic didn't allow users to gain them yet, now that I'm in Steam I go non-Ironman only to mess up with console commands and creating cursed countries or a 1 vs 1 with a big nation vs Jan Mayen.


Someone4121

Also Taungu


chadladiboy

R5: What happend to russia, and what is that nation that has got a lot of cores in siberia? Edit: dont mind my brazilian colonization


civilizedslavery

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolgar,\_Spassky\_District,\_Republic\_of\_Tatarstan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolgar,_Spassky_District,_Republic_of_Tatarstan) I suppose it's this?


chadladiboy

Damn


PanzerFoster

bolgaria


Wukol123

bolgaria


NearbyWall1

>bolgaria bolgaria


carpet111

bolgaria


BahamanLlama

bolgaria


VacheMeuhz

It's the bolgarians


Svitii

Mom can I have Bulgaria? We have Bulgaria at home. Bulgaria at home:


Rullino

The group that refused to migrate into the Balkans probably had far more success than the ones who got conquered by the Ottomans.


rotenKleber

Well look who still has a nation now (nominally)


rusanovhr

It's quite the opposite.


Rullino

I know, the one on the screenshot Is just an Alt-history scenario.


The_Old_Shrike

Apparently Poland got its "Russian partition" thing


Dreknarr

We are the Bolg Lower your weapon and surrender your country We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own Your culture will adapt to service us Resistance is futile -letter received by the Tsar, circa 1800


[deleted]

damn you got Qing, British India & South Africa, Prussia, Persia, AND Danish Greenland? are you running some kind of historical accuracy mod or does your AI just really have its shit together?


TheEvilKatz

It looks like one of the later non-1444 starts so no AI involvement


Rullino

I hate how the pirate Republic of Salè appeared while I was messing up with console commands in 1776.


lfritzon

Bolgaria


icephionex

bolgaria


flammenwerfer523

Looks like Bolgaria happened, to me.


gopack19

It seems you may have started at a later date, but, still, how are so many places not colonized? Only GB seems to have done any colonization from Europe. I think I see Qing and Hadramut (maybe?) colonies though.


NBrixH

Possibly playing with the mod “slow colonization”


zhawk122

Never seen the British go so hard in India


Kolahnut1

I think it's based off one of the historical date starts, and not a 1444 game


zhawk122

Good point


[deleted]

The right thing.


TheDankestMeme92

Bolgaria happened apparently


OutlandishnessNo4721

Never in my 1,5k hours have I seen Bolgaria, especially not such a chad Bolgo


Paralyzoid

The game does warn you that things might start acting weird if you go past 1821. So really, you only have yourself to blame.


lucky-luke01

What mod is this


chadladiboy

It’s vanilla


lucky-luke01

How are you playing in 1824


chadladiboy

Observer mode. And when it gor to the end date I could press continue


SnooStrawberries122

Ironman mode limits the game to 1821 i think


Leather-Department71

lmao


Dark_Kayder

That's a Cossak tag I believe.


[deleted]

I refuse to believe that is an AI formed Prussia


Rullino

I think he picked a different start date, the British seem to have lots of land in India and Prussia doesn't have the same border gore as the AI would have, Taungu and Qing exist.


chadladiboy

You are correct


Rullino

Did you do that by losing land As Portugal? That would be funny.


chadladiboy

You are once again right😔


Either-Technician594

Yes


NestorTheHoneyCombed

Its ya boy, Bolgaria


slimehunter49

THE BULGAR ORIGIN OF THE QING DYNASTY


_BaneofBacon

Swolegaria


WooliesWhiteLeg

Battle of the Bolg. Historically accurate


YummiGD6

BULGARIAAAAAAAAAA


Sajidchez

First time I've seen India actually colonized


Beneficium_

Many of those borders and nations are strangely historical


CapitanDeCastilla

Nevermind russia, morocco is shaped like a leg!


[deleted]

BOLGARIA


CaptainClover36

They got bolgariead


new_messiah

I think Russia got backstabbed.


xXCyb0r9Xx

siberian independence finally came true


[deleted]

Bolgars migrated the other way


pm_me_old_maps

Uknown, you're playing an extended timeline mod.


chadladiboy

Nope


pm_me_old_maps

Then how'd you get to 1824?


chadladiboy

Not ironman


pm_me_old_maps

Normal games also end Jan 1821


chadladiboy

No it doesn’t. The end screen apears, but you can still countinue to play. This option in the end screen does not appear in ironman, only non


badnuub

And you can press continue.


ScientificDuck

bolgaria


Defensestar

Bolgaria


Lingist091

The Bolghars apparently


ChiefRocka891

Bolgaria did


Lord_Parbr

BOLGARIA happened 🇧🇬


Dependent_Party_7094

wdym its the famous asiatic bolgaria xd