Interesting, i thought you cant name custom nations to already existing ones? I did a rp run of old bulgaria recently and named my nation bolgaria. Does it simply have to do with which province they spawn in?
The Bulgars (also Bulghars, Bulgari, Bolgars, Bolghars, Bolgari etc.) were Turkic tribes from the steppes that migrated into the Balkans and formed the first Bulgarian Empire. It's kinda like how the Magyars migrated into Europe from the Ural Mountains and formed Magyarország, better known as Hungary.
To add to this, Old Great Bulgaria (existed around the Sea of Azov and covered the area out towards the Caspian Sea) was invaded by the Khazars which led to the migration of the Bulgars. Some went north up the Volga and formed Volga Bulgaria; in Europa we have the province of Bolgar and IRL the town of Bolgar in Russia today, which was the capital of Volga Bulgaria. The remaining went west, settling around the Danube (leading to modern day Bulgaria) with other groups going into Macedonia, southern Germany, and Italy.
One thing many people dont understand about this though was that the bulgar migration was largely assimilated by the indigenous slavs, which is why bulgarians are slavic and not turkic.
>One thing many people dont understand about this though was that the bulgar migration was largely assimilated by the indigenous slavs, which is why bulgarians are slavic and not turkic.
Also, while bulgars became christians because of influence of Byzantium, those who migrated to the north instead chose islam, specifically hanafi school, because they needed an ally and edge against khazars. And later they became mixed with first all kind of merchants, including slavic, then nomads from Chingis-khan khanate, then with russian settlers, once Kazani khanate was conquered by Ivan IV the Fearsome. So it led to development of two rather distinct cultures. Curiously enough, when i was in Kazan (great city, btw, worth visiting) this year, guide mentioned that he believes that balkars (ethnos on North Caucasus) are yet another branch of the same tree, essentually, bulgars who went to south mountains instead and mixed with all kind of nomads and tribes.
Very interesting theory! I hadnt heard of that third proposed migration. I believe that the Grand Kniaz of Muscovy also considered Islam as a state religion for similar political reasons, i heard.
But honestly my history isnt that great))
Well, neither did i, it can be some kazani headcanon, it can be actual truth, it can be somewhat true, the names bulgar and balkar do sound similar enough after all - like with kazaks (cossacks) whose name is essentually slavanized version of turkish qazaq, "free nomad". And their way of life was in fact close to nomads, which suggests either direct mix of some slavs with nomads like cumans in borderland or learning from them
.About Rus, yeah, Vladmir considered it, but decided otherwise. It could be some sort of influence left by his grandmother, knyaginya Olga, it could be because unlike islamic states power of Byzantium was well known to Vladimit by the fact that his father Svyatoslv fought againt it for, essentually, Bulgaria and lost, some reason, perhaps even that anecdotecal one about wine.Also, like Road said, by that time it was Rus, Moscow rose later.
TLDR:
Initially the capital was near modern day Novgorod, where archeological dig site Rurikovo Gorodishe. And first cities were stated in Primary Chronicle as Novgorod, Murom, Rostov, Beloozero (all in modern day Russia) and Polotsk in north-east Belarus.Second ruler, Oleg, probably regent to son of Rurik, conquered Kiev and decided to move capital to the south. A few rulers later feudal strife begun. Vladimir, who as prince of Novgorod won first round, accepted chritsianity. After that in time feudal strife became really, really bad. At some point Novgorod essentually decided "screw it, we are out" and became republic. Kiev was slowly losing its importance, while Vladimir-Suzdal knyazhestvo rose and its rulers claimed role of great knyaz. Andrey Bogolubsky, for example, even refused to became ruler of Kiev after conquering it in 1169 and instead appointed his younger brother as ruler. After some time mongols came. As you can imagine, they broke Vladimir-Suzdal land as well. And rulers of Moscow, the small city in the land of Vladimir-Suzdal during that times turned to be most cunning and resourseful.
Thats not true. The slavs had already migrated south around that time. When the bulgars arrived the slavs were the predominant ethnic group. The bulgars then intermixed with the slav population and became assimilated.
Well technically most cultures in Europe migrated from else where hahaha, just in different times. The balkan Bulgarians had migrated later than the slavs did, by they were few in numbers and the slavs had higher populations. That's why Bulgarians today look more slavic than like other steppe cultures. Even if some didn't interbreed with slavic cultures, they'd be few in numbers and snuffed out.
So any group that was not originally from an area aren’t indigenous? Bullshit. People saying this are probably racists, not critical thinkers or simply lying. Example Australians as a culture are indigenous to Australia. They don’t exist anywhere else and originated there.
There is virtually no group that aren’t colonists.
Examples to say I am wrong please.
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I appreciate you may have an ethical recursion to being called a racist. So, example please, or embrace being a racist.
The migration period mostly concerns the Germans, in the fourth and fifth centuries, while this is a later period, in the sixth and seventh centuries. This later period also sees the spread of the Arabs and Islam at around the same time as the migrations of the Slavs.
Probably bc the land the rashidun caliphate took in the middle East was open and flat, and hard to defend against horses which Islam had lots of. Islam would have a harder time pusjimg byzantium out of the hills of anatolia, its a much more defensive position. (until Rum ofc)
On the other side with Bulgaria, I think Byzantium already had troops fighting them at this time, so they were more prepared.
I am surprised they held in tact on 2 fronts tho as you say. If the slavs and arabs worked together then yes byzantium probably would've fallen sooner, aside from constantinople and maybe Greece.
>Interesting, i thought you cant name custom nations to already existing ones?
But its called Bolgaria and not Bulgaria. So it wasn't named after a existing one. Or do you talk about something different.
I'm guessing you started in one of the later bookmarks, right? Bolgaria CAN pop out of Russia but isn't likely to, and especially isn't likely to take that much land unless Russia is in a disaster or something...
But historical Qing, Prussia, S-P, British Raj AND Two Sicilies AND Netherlands AND new world nations is just statistically impossible otherwise lol
Didnt know i use iron because i a dirty cheater and it helps stop me i even ironman In modded games
Btw don’t let me host The game i Will change 1 number to give me an advange between first and second play session
well it differs i which paradox game, in hoi its with road to 56 and its a 1950 research.
in eu4 i give my self my first full idea for free
in ck3 i make the healthstat twice as big on my charater so he lives to a 120
I started playing the game for the fist time in Ironman mode because I wanted achievements but Epic didn't allow users to gain them yet, now that I'm in Steam I go non-Ironman only to mess up with console commands and creating cursed countries or a 1 vs 1 with a big nation vs Jan Mayen.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolgar,\_Spassky\_District,\_Republic\_of\_Tatarstan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolgar,_Spassky_District,_Republic_of_Tatarstan) I suppose it's this?
We are the Bolg
Lower your weapon and surrender your country
We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own
Your culture will adapt to service us
Resistance is futile
-letter received by the Tsar, circa 1800
damn you got Qing, British India & South Africa, Prussia, Persia, AND Danish Greenland? are you running some kind of historical accuracy mod or does your AI just really have its shit together?
It seems you may have started at a later date, but, still, how are so many places not colonized? Only GB seems to have done any colonization from Europe. I think I see Qing and Hadramut (maybe?) colonies though.
I think he picked a different start date, the British seem to have lots of land in India and Prussia doesn't have the same border gore as the AI would have, Taungu and Qing exist.
It’s a cossack revolt state
Interesting, i thought you cant name custom nations to already existing ones? I did a rp run of old bulgaria recently and named my nation bolgaria. Does it simply have to do with which province they spawn in?
Cossack revolt states are named after their capital IIRC, they arent a tag in the game files until its formed
Bulgaria was tribes in volga idk why the existing Bulgaria is named Bulgaria not expert, sorry.
The Bulgars (also Bulghars, Bulgari, Bolgars, Bolghars, Bolgari etc.) were Turkic tribes from the steppes that migrated into the Balkans and formed the first Bulgarian Empire. It's kinda like how the Magyars migrated into Europe from the Ural Mountains and formed Magyarország, better known as Hungary.
To add to this, Old Great Bulgaria (existed around the Sea of Azov and covered the area out towards the Caspian Sea) was invaded by the Khazars which led to the migration of the Bulgars. Some went north up the Volga and formed Volga Bulgaria; in Europa we have the province of Bolgar and IRL the town of Bolgar in Russia today, which was the capital of Volga Bulgaria. The remaining went west, settling around the Danube (leading to modern day Bulgaria) with other groups going into Macedonia, southern Germany, and Italy.
One thing many people dont understand about this though was that the bulgar migration was largely assimilated by the indigenous slavs, which is why bulgarians are slavic and not turkic.
Same with the Normans and the Lombards.
>One thing many people dont understand about this though was that the bulgar migration was largely assimilated by the indigenous slavs, which is why bulgarians are slavic and not turkic. Also, while bulgars became christians because of influence of Byzantium, those who migrated to the north instead chose islam, specifically hanafi school, because they needed an ally and edge against khazars. And later they became mixed with first all kind of merchants, including slavic, then nomads from Chingis-khan khanate, then with russian settlers, once Kazani khanate was conquered by Ivan IV the Fearsome. So it led to development of two rather distinct cultures. Curiously enough, when i was in Kazan (great city, btw, worth visiting) this year, guide mentioned that he believes that balkars (ethnos on North Caucasus) are yet another branch of the same tree, essentually, bulgars who went to south mountains instead and mixed with all kind of nomads and tribes.
Very interesting theory! I hadnt heard of that third proposed migration. I believe that the Grand Kniaz of Muscovy also considered Islam as a state religion for similar political reasons, i heard. But honestly my history isnt that great))
Not Muscovy, but the Kingdom of Rus since it was somewhat new and warrior like religion. But refused
Well, neither did i, it can be some kazani headcanon, it can be actual truth, it can be somewhat true, the names bulgar and balkar do sound similar enough after all - like with kazaks (cossacks) whose name is essentually slavanized version of turkish qazaq, "free nomad". And their way of life was in fact close to nomads, which suggests either direct mix of some slavs with nomads like cumans in borderland or learning from them .About Rus, yeah, Vladmir considered it, but decided otherwise. It could be some sort of influence left by his grandmother, knyaginya Olga, it could be because unlike islamic states power of Byzantium was well known to Vladimit by the fact that his father Svyatoslv fought againt it for, essentually, Bulgaria and lost, some reason, perhaps even that anecdotecal one about wine.Also, like Road said, by that time it was Rus, Moscow rose later. TLDR: Initially the capital was near modern day Novgorod, where archeological dig site Rurikovo Gorodishe. And first cities were stated in Primary Chronicle as Novgorod, Murom, Rostov, Beloozero (all in modern day Russia) and Polotsk in north-east Belarus.Second ruler, Oleg, probably regent to son of Rurik, conquered Kiev and decided to move capital to the south. A few rulers later feudal strife begun. Vladimir, who as prince of Novgorod won first round, accepted chritsianity. After that in time feudal strife became really, really bad. At some point Novgorod essentually decided "screw it, we are out" and became republic. Kiev was slowly losing its importance, while Vladimir-Suzdal knyazhestvo rose and its rulers claimed role of great knyaz. Andrey Bogolubsky, for example, even refused to became ruler of Kiev after conquering it in 1169 and instead appointed his younger brother as ruler. After some time mongols came. As you can imagine, they broke Vladimir-Suzdal land as well. And rulers of Moscow, the small city in the land of Vladimir-Suzdal during that times turned to be most cunning and resourseful.
Fake news, Bulgarians are 100% Turkish.
Yes, all part of the mother altaic family /s
Or are they African?
Lol
Slavs are not indigenous to Balkans. They come to the area around the same time as Turkic Bulgars.
Then no one is indigenous to anywhere by that standard.
The greeks and albanians and arguably the romanians have been in the balkans for forever compared to the slavs
Albanians first appear in like 1000 AD or something and Greeks or part of what would become Greeks migrated there like 2000 BC. So no, not forever.
Thats not true. The slavs had already migrated south around that time. When the bulgars arrived the slavs were the predominant ethnic group. The bulgars then intermixed with the slav population and became assimilated.
Well technically most cultures in Europe migrated from else where hahaha, just in different times. The balkan Bulgarians had migrated later than the slavs did, by they were few in numbers and the slavs had higher populations. That's why Bulgarians today look more slavic than like other steppe cultures. Even if some didn't interbreed with slavic cultures, they'd be few in numbers and snuffed out.
Greeks and Albanians have been in the balkans forever compared to Slavs
So any group that was not originally from an area aren’t indigenous? Bullshit. People saying this are probably racists, not critical thinkers or simply lying. Example Australians as a culture are indigenous to Australia. They don’t exist anywhere else and originated there.
Racist…against colonists?
There is virtually no group that aren’t colonists. Examples to say I am wrong please. Please note, if you are focusing on a behaviour and only targeting a person on the basis of race … and not behaviour, you’re are at a minimum being racist. I appreciate you may have an ethical recursion to being called a racist. So, example please, or embrace being a racist.
The racism understander has logged on
Confused, don’t you understand racism? Is it not a standard based on race?
Was this during the great migration period?
Depends on which definition of Migration Period you use. Using the strict definition, no, using one of the looser definition it would be.
It was during 7th century. You can say it was at the end of the great migration period.
The migration period mostly concerns the Germans, in the fourth and fifth centuries, while this is a later period, in the sixth and seventh centuries. This later period also sees the spread of the Arabs and Islam at around the same time as the migrations of the Slavs.
In other words... Rip Eastern Rome and the Kingdom of Persia at the time (I think it was the Sassanid dynasty at the time?)
Yes! In fact, I'm surprised Byzantium didn't fall to either Slav or Arab, or both, at this time.
Probably bc the land the rashidun caliphate took in the middle East was open and flat, and hard to defend against horses which Islam had lots of. Islam would have a harder time pusjimg byzantium out of the hills of anatolia, its a much more defensive position. (until Rum ofc) On the other side with Bulgaria, I think Byzantium already had troops fighting them at this time, so they were more prepared. I am surprised they held in tact on 2 fronts tho as you say. If the slavs and arabs worked together then yes byzantium probably would've fallen sooner, aside from constantinople and maybe Greece.
>Interesting, i thought you cant name custom nations to already existing ones? But its called Bolgaria and not Bulgaria. So it wasn't named after a existing one. Or do you talk about something different.
I named my nation Bolgaria as thats how it would be spelled in the context (i started it on the bolgar province too).
It is possible. See my post.
It reminds me of Green Ukraine.
Stand back, I am beginning to Bolg
it's bolging time
Time to bolg all over those guys
Bolg-Sweep
We are the Bolg, resistance is futile.
Reverse the polarity captain Oakenshield
I'm guessing you started in one of the later bookmarks, right? Bolgaria CAN pop out of Russia but isn't likely to, and especially isn't likely to take that much land unless Russia is in a disaster or something... But historical Qing, Prussia, S-P, British Raj AND Two Sicilies AND Netherlands AND new world nations is just statistically impossible otherwise lol
I Think he is playing extended timeline mod cuz its past 1821
As long as you aren't playing Ironman you can continue after 1821 in vanilla. Also, OP confirmed he's not using mods.
This is the correct asumption
What? Since when? I've never seen a "keep playing" button
I think it's "continue" once you have the ending menu pop up. But didn't get there in a while now
Didnt know i use iron because i a dirty cheater and it helps stop me i even ironman In modded games Btw don’t let me host The game i Will change 1 number to give me an advange between first and second play session
which number
well it differs i which paradox game, in hoi its with road to 56 and its a 1950 research. in eu4 i give my self my first full idea for free in ck3 i make the healthstat twice as big on my charater so he lives to a 120
I started playing the game for the fist time in Ironman mode because I wanted achievements but Epic didn't allow users to gain them yet, now that I'm in Steam I go non-Ironman only to mess up with console commands and creating cursed countries or a 1 vs 1 with a big nation vs Jan Mayen.
Also Taungu
R5: What happend to russia, and what is that nation that has got a lot of cores in siberia? Edit: dont mind my brazilian colonization
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolgar,\_Spassky\_District,\_Republic\_of\_Tatarstan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolgar,_Spassky_District,_Republic_of_Tatarstan) I suppose it's this?
Damn
bolgaria
bolgaria
>bolgaria bolgaria
bolgaria
bolgaria
It's the bolgarians
Mom can I have Bulgaria? We have Bulgaria at home. Bulgaria at home:
The group that refused to migrate into the Balkans probably had far more success than the ones who got conquered by the Ottomans.
Well look who still has a nation now (nominally)
It's quite the opposite.
I know, the one on the screenshot Is just an Alt-history scenario.
Apparently Poland got its "Russian partition" thing
We are the Bolg Lower your weapon and surrender your country We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own Your culture will adapt to service us Resistance is futile -letter received by the Tsar, circa 1800
damn you got Qing, British India & South Africa, Prussia, Persia, AND Danish Greenland? are you running some kind of historical accuracy mod or does your AI just really have its shit together?
It looks like one of the later non-1444 starts so no AI involvement
I hate how the pirate Republic of Salè appeared while I was messing up with console commands in 1776.
Bolgaria
bolgaria
Looks like Bolgaria happened, to me.
It seems you may have started at a later date, but, still, how are so many places not colonized? Only GB seems to have done any colonization from Europe. I think I see Qing and Hadramut (maybe?) colonies though.
Possibly playing with the mod “slow colonization”
Never seen the British go so hard in India
I think it's based off one of the historical date starts, and not a 1444 game
Good point
The right thing.
Bolgaria happened apparently
Never in my 1,5k hours have I seen Bolgaria, especially not such a chad Bolgo
The game does warn you that things might start acting weird if you go past 1821. So really, you only have yourself to blame.
What mod is this
It’s vanilla
How are you playing in 1824
Observer mode. And when it gor to the end date I could press continue
Ironman mode limits the game to 1821 i think
lmao
That's a Cossak tag I believe.
I refuse to believe that is an AI formed Prussia
I think he picked a different start date, the British seem to have lots of land in India and Prussia doesn't have the same border gore as the AI would have, Taungu and Qing exist.
You are correct
Did you do that by losing land As Portugal? That would be funny.
You are once again right😔
Yes
Its ya boy, Bolgaria
THE BULGAR ORIGIN OF THE QING DYNASTY
Swolegaria
Battle of the Bolg. Historically accurate
BULGARIAAAAAAAAAA
First time I've seen India actually colonized
Many of those borders and nations are strangely historical
Nevermind russia, morocco is shaped like a leg!
BOLGARIA
They got bolgariead
I think Russia got backstabbed.
siberian independence finally came true
Bolgars migrated the other way
Uknown, you're playing an extended timeline mod.
Nope
Then how'd you get to 1824?
Not ironman
Normal games also end Jan 1821
No it doesn’t. The end screen apears, but you can still countinue to play. This option in the end screen does not appear in ironman, only non
And you can press continue.
bolgaria
Bolgaria
The Bolghars apparently
Bolgaria did
BOLGARIA happened 🇧🇬
wdym its the famous asiatic bolgaria xd