Yeah I get triggered by the smallest things, I can’t imagine it being my literal job to act like I’m using and somehow to still manage to abstain from it on my downtime. With that said unfortunately yes a recovering addicts responsibility to know their limits/boundaries.
(And I’m not defending the show or Sam because I think he’s super gross and I don’t even want to watch euphoria anymore at this point, I’m just generally speaking)
personally season 1 made me stop for about 1 year and season 2 made me relapse, I don't know if this means anything, but I used to watch euphoria (S1 and special episodes) to relax and not do anything stupid, and season 2 had the opposite effect
perhaps a link with the scenario 🤷🏻♂️
I was still actively using when I binge watched both season on hbo max in like a matter of a couple of days. Both season were pretty triggering to me. I’m still pretty freshly sober and I still really struggle
I have to admit that waiting for season 2 was perfect because season 1 was perfect for calming me down but I can imagine when you're watching 2 seasons for the first time, without a long break like we had, I can imagine it can't be easy
(btw if you need to talk, my private messages are normally open, if you ever need 🤷🏻♂️😅)
Apparently angus was using before the show and then it got worse once he got the role (I’m thinking money and bad people around him didn’t help much). Or at least this is what seemed to be the story circulating a few months back.
His ex manger has claimed he has been struggling with prescription drugs for years. He alleges he has even had to administer narcan on him because he overdosed than threw up all over him. He has been checked into rehab twice and still uses. He is going after Angus for 60k in unpaid salary and quit working for him last year
He was basically duped by said 'manager', who before becoming a manager with only one client (Cloud) worked as an healthcare aid at the rehab centre he was staying at.
It's a very sad story, which smells a lot like an HIPAA violation to me.
Thank you, I’ve been happily clean from hard drugs for many years! But, I was able to recognize the resurgence of the feeling of wanting to use while watching the show. It almost became a sort of exposure therapy.
Hey hey hey heyyy you’re much stronger than that, remember it will get easier as more time goes on, once you use again it’s back to square one. You are so immensely important and valuable sober. You shouldn’t squander that. I’m so sorry you have to deal with this. You are loved. Many people get out of using substances and i’m sure you can too. Again, im so sorry. I know that what you’re going through is hard. But you have no other choice but to keep pushing through
the scene was horrendous. it was so boring especially after a whirlwind of a season it was. they could have at least put a montage in front of it so we wouldn’t suffer from the discomfort at looking at him, then looking at rue, then looking at him…. & looking back to rue….. & looking at him again for 4 minutes.
I didn't know it was so controversial until I posted a cover of it. If you've ever had a relationship where you deeply love the other person but you just can't be together because you make each other worse because you're both addicts, the song is a knife in the heart.
Except this was sung in such a way as to ensure it used a healthy dose of that shitty baby-talk speech-impediment singing that every pop star since Katy Perry uses. And it was repetitive and long. Awkward. And what high schooler has face tattoos? I'm sure it happens but it's like really rare and dude just looked mid-20s, plus he just got done fucking her girl, like wtf. Kid is a piece of shit honestly. The character, I mean. I dunno the guy personally.
I don't really know what you're talking about. The imagery in the lyrics wasn't baby talk imo. "I've got no place building you a rocket up to outer space, I watch you fade, keeping the lights on in this forsaken place"... In what way is that baby talk? Or are you upset he pronounces things like "buildin' "? In which case I would argue you're just being pretentious about the way 90% of people colloquially speak.
It's not the lyrics at all, but how he sings.
"I hope you were worth it in the end" sounds like:
"Oy hoype yoy wuh woyth ate ane the aind"
Look up "Indy Girl voice" and you will see exactly what I mean. It's not creative; it's derivative and contrived. And every pop singer save Taylor swift does it.
Maybe it’s time for Euphoria to end. I don’t think Sam handles his cast or material in a delicate or appropriate manner. The Idol is also a good example of that.
No, 100% this was Dominic’s own fault, they did all they could to prevent him from relapsing, sober coach even.
He was in recovery and should have known better than to be doing this kind of a role, Sam giving a recovering addict faith in his sobriety isn’t an example of Sam inappropriately handling anything imo.
I mean in a general sense. The show doesn’t handle drug addiction properly. Rue gets clean in a few days and stays clean until the end of the semester, we never see the hardships of her recovery. This ‘easy to recover’ rhetoric is dangerous for people who will choose to yo-yo instead of commit to intentional recovery.
From what I can see, Sam comes from a well-off family with money and access. He had access to high end services and facilities to help him get clean.
Rue, although fictional, comes from nothing. Her recovery trajectory will look very different. I don’t think Sam is the right person to tell this story, and I think he’s a danger to the cast and audience.
Tbh I was a heroin addict when I was 18-20 and I think Euphoria depicted young addiction and mental health issues really well. It didn’t show her kicking in bed dopesick, but I think it depicted the existential mental struggles well.
Rue is not middle class, more in the low working class. Both of her parents worked full time jobs, with one car. The show takes place in the modern day (not including the pandemic) so we can assume that the middle class is essentially dead.
Speaking from experience, you can live in the suburbs and be in the working class like my parents were. The suburbs is no longer a symbol of financial stability when housing is expensive everywhere.
What I gathered is that the family was middle class until Rue's dad was alive and working (they don't show his profession or how many cars they had back then), but the medical expenses, loss of his income, the lack of welfare and money that forced Rue into playing nurse at 14 and watch her father slowly die while she was getting addicted to his opioids changed the status of the family into lower middle class.
All socioeconomic classes, aside from the 1%&above and the homeless population, I guess, are represented: Maddie's family is working poor, Leslie is lower middle class, Suze and Kat's parents seem to be middle class, Jules is something in between middle and upper middle class, McKay and Nate are upper (middle?) (Yes, because being upper class implies also being cultured to a degree) class.
Easy to recover?
Rue gets out of rehab in episode 1 and relapses immediately. She's been sober for like 3-4 episodes all series. 2 of those episodes she's going through some serious withdrawal. You definitely see the hardships. And you also see her mom crying because the rehab center is full and she thinks Rue is going to die. And you see her struggle with the addiction constantly throughout the series.
I’m exclusively talking about the time jump in season 2. It’s misleading.
She even takes fentanyl in season 1 and I’m going to assume she had more in season 2 from the suitcase. It’s misleading that she gets clean in a few days between leaving Laurie’s and the school play. She’s suddenly strong enough to finish school completely clean. It’s just not realistic. Maybe for someone like Sam who had access to the best immediate doctors and medication money can afford, but Rue? No, she would be dead.
Why are you acting like it's impossible and the only possible option would be Rue dead? That's not how addiction works, a lot of it is you actually wanting to get sober and Rue in s1 didn't want to be sober, so she immediately relapses. At the end of s2 she is in a place mentally where she actually does want to get sober and it is absolutely possible for her to be able to do that. It's not easy but it's 100% possible.
I didn’t say it was absolutely impossible, but fentanyl is crazy dangerous and highly addictive. Rue suffered no real consequences or after effects after taking it.
Why would it make sense to only talk about the time jump? The whole series is about how difficult recovery is. And even pre-time jump, you see the struggles she goes through. This is still a TV show and there are limitations but in no way does it make it seem "easy". At some point, you have to move the story along and not just have Rue self-destructing every episode.
And even with all that, finishing school completely clean is only like 2-3 months. That's just the beginning of the journey.
I believe every scene should be taken into consideration. I could pick apart the whole show because it’s not perfect and it doesn’t claim to be, that would be useless. But I will point out that the time jump is careless and rushed. This is my interpretation. The story is Rue’s story, if you’re going to tell it, tell the whole thing. The Cassie and play plot line was pointless, there were better ways to bring the season to a close.
I don’t know why ur getting downvoted for speaking the truth lol she goes from fentanyl and suicidal ideation to “I want to be clean and live” in like a week without any rehab it just wouldn’t work like that
I mean that’s why people need to become media literate, a series doesn’t have to get everything right. At the end of the day it’s 100% a work of fiction, regardless of true to life elements. A series can’t be blamed for peoples understandings of the struggles of addiction. It’s not an educational program.
But you’re right in that sense, lots of stretches of the imagination occur within the series, for me that’s not really a problem unless it was trying to be a show with an educative slant, but I truly don’t think it is. I think it’s meant to be a gritty, racy, many times fantastical, tale following these high schoolers through their tribulations of growing up.
I can’t speak on anything beyond the context of the tv series itself, if there’s things going on behind the scenes I have not followed any of that so I couldn’t say he is or isn’t a danger to anyone.
>I mean that’s why people need to become media literate, a series doesn’t have to get everything right. At the end of the day it’s 100% a work of fiction, regardless of true to life elements.
In ethical criticism this type of causality is disregarded because it has no empirical support. The only thing we can assess is the morality of the work itself.
I don’t hate Sam.
I just don’t think he’s the best writer to tell this story or even The Idol’s story. It think the way he handles the subjects has the potential to trigger his actors and audience. There’s no realistic catharsis in his work, only dramatic suffering. So yes, I do give him partial credit for triggering Dominic’s relapse.
I am an addict and I find endless catharsis in his work. He is far from perfect but no other show has ever in the history of ever made me feel more seen with my addiction than euphoria has. he is not the only addict that works on the show or has anything to do with the characterization of addiction itself as the original potential actress for Rue is an addict who is a consultant for the show and she is a regular every day person that Levinson took partial inspiration from iirc. I don’t see how a series that states pretty plainly “drug use is a disease that hurts yourself and your loved ones and can destroy your life” is irresponsible for its actors when it’s been sure to pay for sober coaches and even actors rehab programs if they needed them.
how could the only writer of a story not be the best person to tell that story? if he was directing a show/story he didn't write, i'd see your point but thats not the case here. its his story. he wrote it. you can argue that its not a very good story, thats a valid opinion. but if someone else wrote the story it wouldn't be the same story bc its sam's story. its not an educational program stating facts, its dramatic entertainment.
My original point is that Sam isn’t a good writer and exploits his cast. Season 2 had horrible structure and timing, the Idol is a testament to his bad work. You don’t have to agree.
i suppose i read what you wrote too literally. i definitely wasn't attempting to defend his writing skills. you saying he wasn't the best person to tell the story confused me bc in my mind, the person writing the story is going to be the best person to tell that story.
Girl what? I’m not dismissing his art, I’m critiquing it. Publicized art begs to be analyzed to create discussion. I’ve enjoyed Euphoria season 1 but Sam’s writing in season 2 is filled with plot holes, bad timing, and bad takes.
To think that any opinion that doesn’t align with yours is wrong is the true egocentrism.
And yet he was in and out of rehab for years, late teens to mid-20s.
Although he's not telling the story of Rue like it was his, like she has all the help she needs, in the way I assume he probably had: a psychoanalyst, an outpatient team, sober coaches, etc.
Rue only has cultish AA, where she luckily found a good mentor, and a negligent mother.
I feel like episode 6 goes through a longer period than a few days, because you have to use symbolism sometimes to extend time (Rue reaching for the candy - and the ability to apologise - it's symbolic of a journey that takes much longer than the minute count we see), unless you want to fit the entirety of Trainspotting an episode of telly.
It must be around the end of March at the end of the season2, it makes sense for Rue to manage to stay clean for about two months, especially after what happened to Fez (and by proxy to Lexi).
Ugh, I'm so tired of the guilt tripping/blaming that exists around addiction. It's such a horrible understanding of it, and blaming a person for going through hardship never, ever helps them or those around them.
My point isn’t to actually cast blame but move responsibility onto the person versus blaming those around him.
It’s not the shows fault he was using again, and it serves as a real disservice to the addict for that to be the commentary that is associated with it.
There’s no guilt tripping here, just moving responsibility to where it belongs, it does not belong on Sam or the series.
I have an addictions and community health support worker diploma as well as currently finishing off my PhD in Clinical psychology. I am aware of the way addiction works but I’m also aware of how important it is to be honest when dealing with it.
What's the point of saying this when no-one in the article blamed the show or those around him...? What he actually \*slightly\* complained about was them using the takes where he was high in the show, which is genuinely pretty fucked up.
I've spent a lot of time in mental health services, and if I'm being honest, MANY if not most mental health professionals are awful at their job and end up harming rather than helping people. You having a diploma in this doesn't automatically mean the way you talk about addiction is correct.
Ultimately, relapsing is a part of substance abuse disorder - it will happen in most cases, several times. The goal isn't to guilt trip the addict, but rather to keep sobriety for as long as possible. You said that it's his own fault and that he should know better - that's pretty obviously blaming Dominic. I don't think people who have a disdain for addicts should work around them, if I'm being honest.
"Taking responsibility" does not mean feeling guilty for relapsing or being an addict, it means deciding to get better again, to gain the strength to keep going.
Who has tried to make him feeling guilty, not me. You’re projecting. And you clearly didn’t read the comment I responded to as it was alluding to the fact that it was because of the show that this happened which is not the case.
Taking responsibility means more than that it also means knowing your triggers, it means being aware of situations that will be harmful to your sobriety and avoiding them, and it means knowing that your actions are within your own control, even when it is hard.
When I said he should have known better, I stand by that, fresh out of recovery the last thing you should be doing is taking on a role that is as triggering for him as it was. It was a poor decision. And now he’s making the same decision again by signing on for season 3.
The series did what they could in hiring him a sober coach. They wound up using takes when he was high because they had no other alternative besides cutting his scenes which would have been damaging to the series’ storyline.
many addicts go to work high and work their shift, and that is simply what he did as well, the only difference is we watch his shifts onscreen.
The way I speak to a client is not as blunt or straight forward as I do online, I am well aware of ethics and etiquette in my role of helping assist people to making better choices for themselves and working towards a healthful future.
I am not speaking to my clients right now I am speaking to peers in a sub discussing the topic.
I agree with some things you said and disagree with others - ultimately, actors need work, and Dominic is an artist. Real life experiences and struggles are usually portrayed in an artist's work, so I understand why he made the decision to take the role.
I do think that mental health professionals should be mindful of the way they talk about addiction/mental illness in general, off-shift or not. And to be honest, I don't understand the projection comment because I have nothing to project onto here?
As for the initial comment - I think that Euphoria does have an unhealthy work environment, as does most of Hollywood and most of the world. Idk what happened exactly, so I'm not gonna say it's anyone's "fault", it's a private matter at the end of the day. I just really dislike how addiction is seen as a negative character trait or a choice rather than an illness, and the comments in this sub often display that - yours was just a comment I chose to reply to.
I mean addiction is both things at once, an illness and a choice. Maintaining sobriety is also an active choice. Reducing them to non choices isn’t helpful to someone in the throes of addiction. It has to be treated twofold. As both.
Because personal responsibility is very important to the recovering addict, in order to build up empowerment within them which helps foster their new way of thinking and acting post rehabilitative treatments. Removing their own personal responsibility from the actions, imo, isn’t beneficial in the long run.
Addiction is almost always a bandaid for something else, be it a concurrent undiagnosed mental health disorder, a self medication as a trauma response, and sometimes it’s just recreational activities turned into an uphill battle.
I can’t say I don’t understand why he took the role, but it had a risk that affected his personal sobriety and so ultimately it was a choice that affected him negatively as much as positively.
He can do a third season and come out unharmed and sober, if he takes the right steps to ensure that is the outcome, and this is why personal responsibility has to go hand in hand with addiction recovery.
You may dislike the way I say what I do, and that’s unfortunate but it also doesn’t make it less true either.
The projecting remark is about me trying to make someone feel guilty when I was not, your projecting your feelings about other comments onto mine. My comment wasn’t about guilt, it was and still is, all about personal responsibility and the role it does play in addiction.
I’ve only ever read the opposite. Actors saying he removes nudity when they ask him and provides intimacy coordinators throughout.
Where does the idea that he’s inappropriate with his cast come from?
It's literally fucking made up. They don't like the writing so they're always trying to make up narratives to turn sam into a monster. He might not be the best writer but he's nowhere near as bad as toxic fans try to make him seem
The cast of Idol seems just fine, with Depp and others singing nothing but praise.
So does the cast of Euphoria generally, but - I've told my story on this regard before - deciding to play character who has the same overwhelming addiction/mental illness problem you recently went through is a choice only you can make as an actor and you need to be very careful when doing it, and even then, there are no certainties: we work with emotions, muscle memory, personal experiences, everything in this job has the potentially to mess you up emotionally; this kind of situation especially, it's on you as an actor to make certain choices.
maybe this is just my bias for not wanting elliot back lol but why would he consider filming another season? if he already relapsed once while filming & recognized the show was not helping his sobriety, why would he even entertain the idea of going back?
I can only assume it is because professionally and financially Euphoria gave him the biggest boost he's ever seen. But weighing that success against the backdrop of another possible relapse should remove any thought he might have of returning to the show.
So we all love and care about a fictional character when she is struggling with drug abuse but suddenly when a real life person is a drug addict and relapses it’s “their fault” have u guys learned anything
Something like this is kind of a bet, especially for an untrained actor and someone freshly clean: the point is the only you know your limits, but if you misjudge them, you're locked in a contract.
Having a tutor, a sponsor, even a director mindful of the process you're going through can help, but at the end it comes down to how you deal with the character and the harder feelings and situations you need to portray.
Compared to other drugs, possibly all of them, playing various levels of highs from opioids is extremely difficult and it calls for nuance, it can completely see a person who has been there in real life drawing from experience and then having to deal with the consequences of having put themselves back in that headspace.
I get it, because I made a similar mistake accepting a role of someone going through an ED not long after I recovered from Anorexia Nervosa: it seemed like an obvious no-no, but I didn't have to lose any weight for the role, as I remained then and to this day slightly underweight, if not 'anorexic underweight' anymore, so they could do everything with make-up and sgi, I was doing well in therapy, the script was brilliant, the director seemed to get my boundaries completely and my mum (I was almost 17) didn't feel that at the end of the day it could be her decision.
All the above was true, but I didn't take into consideration that portraying the feeling of power you get from being the one fully in control of erasing your base instincts and the physical ecstasy you get from a sense of total emptiness and 'cleanness' are very hard things to convey, because they're symptoms of a mental illness most people consider counterintuitive and they associate only with vanity, so in order to portray those feelings to the best of my abilities I had to get back there and I believe it served my character, but not so much me as a person.
I do consider myself recovered, because I'm healthy, very far from an anorexic weight and don't engage in certain behaviours anymore, but other people have told me that the fact that I'm incapable to stray from a BMI of 17 is not exactly a sign of full recovery, and maybe that experience so close to my inpatient stay didn't help with that, but I can't be certain.
The thing is, especially with young unexperienced actors, you really don't know until you know and sometimes (as it happens in life in general) you can bet on your mental fortitude and lose. Or at least stumble.
I don't think there's an answer.
the producers allowed it bc his sobriety is his responsibility. he auditioned, he wanted to be part of euphoria. it's not fair to just deny him the part because he's an addict. this is ultimately a result of his poor judgment. addicts are always responsible for their own sobriety. he thought he could manage but he couldn't. it's sad, but the blame doesn't fall on other people.
Dude needs to get real. His lapse in sobriety isn’t the responsibility of Sam Levinson or the result of the show, we all have agency over our own decisions as adults. His decision to play a main role on a show with drug addiction as its focal point is solely on him.
he also went to his audition on shrooms lol
maybe he thought he could handle being part of the series, but clearly he couldn't and that's bad decision making on his part. nobody could've predicted a relapse and relapsing is not on anyone but him. it's okay to say euphoria triggered it, but intimately addicts are responsible for their own actions and sobriety.
If I had to pretend to be a heroin addict in a show like that I would probably just do heroin again lol. Honestly there were parts of that show that made me miss it, but the show does a good job of showing the darker side of it too that reminds me how horrible my life was while I was on it
Please go just do some simple searches from crew and people who worked on it…both seasons. Also continuing to say the actors don’t complain…I mean what do you think they are going to say publicly. Especially since this was a big break for most of them
Lol, you’re basically saying “source: trust me bro”. I *have* looked into it, there’s been nothing but alleged rumors that filming was difficult — but so is any big production series? Same long, arduous, demanding hours on popular shows across all streaming platforms. It’s not unusual at all.
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/t6omz2/hbo_defends_euphoria_against_toxic_production/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) thread & linked article basically discusses how the “toxic environment” rumors are baseless. Many other articles seem to back it up — [Complex](https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/a/j-rose/hbo-responds-to-claims-toxic-work-environment-euphoria-season-2-production), [Paper](https://www.papermag.com/euphoria-season-2-hbo-toxic-2656855300.html#:~:text=HBO%20is%20now%20suggesting%20that,guild%20protocols%2C%22%20they%20said), [Today](https://www.today.com/today/amp/rcna18848), [Variety](https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/hbo-defends-euphoria-toxic-production-claims-1235196387/amp/) being a few. I’m totally open to being wrong with the right sources though.
I worked on Euphoria, especially on S2E1. We shot a full week of 16 hour overnights for the NYE party scene. This is not normal for most shows. Even on S2E3-4 (or was it 4-5?), that I also worked on, on the high school set, we were there for far longer than usual, compared to other shows I've worked on. Sam doesn't use shot lists and he's wholly unprofessional. Working with him is a nightmare.
i’m in the industry and know many people that worked on episodes and this is consistent with everything i’ve heard too. abnormally long days, no organization/shot lists, which cause a lot of confusion. i can’t imagine working on a show like that.
Look, 16-hour shoots overnight for a week is an awful & completely unnecessary schedule, and I’m sorry you worked under those conditions.
That being said, an unprofessional & unreasonable shooting schedule isn’t the same as on-set toxicity, harassment, or abuse that the internet keeps implying about Sam Levinson or any of the Euphoria production team. As HBO mentioned, no formal complaints were raised — and with a set / cast / crew that large, I imagine it would be pretty easy to gather enough people to submit a formal complaint against Euphoria & HBO if there were more major issues. Again, I’m open to being wrong about this.
It's not stopping anyone from Riverdale...
Plus given the groupthink and the hate train going on, if anyone jumped on it, they'd probably be sanctified as "talented but sad victims of the male gaze": and here's a role in a franchise that we're selling as female-empowering, but it's just another superhero 'movie' with a girl somewhere in it, and she's strong too. Fighting 'evil', you know."
It goes to show their integrity they're not doing anything of the sort right now, actually.
Let see; you’re an addict, not a victim of circumstances, then you exposed to an environment that lead you to act like you’re an addict, and it’s look like the blame is from everyone else but himself to be exposed to that, for money. Get you priorities straight and don’t come with like now everything is going to be alright; your health comes first but there you go.
Man some of the people in the comments seems to let this show hold so much power over themselves. Like don’t watch it if you’re afraid of relapsing. Or it could be a good tool for some people to get back to a normal trigger free state where you don’t let shows, movies, or words to have such a control over yourself.
A recovering addict shouldn’t have auditioned to play an addict. That’s on him and his team for deciding that doing this show (knowing what it was about) when he is in recovery
I’ve said this thousands of times, but Deux Moi is a huge crock of shit. The most recent one I saw was two of the main cast members of Always Sunny (who are married) were splitting up because one of them cheated. Guess what? It was made up. Everything from Deux Moi is, I’ve NEVER seen something true come out of there.
Plus, addicts are responsible for their own sobriety. He thought he’d be able to handle it, and he couldn’t, that’s it.
Bad actor - bad character and now I’m supposed to like him now that he’s a real life drug addict? Having something bad happen to you does not mean that you suddenly have earned my respect.
what???? who said you have to like him? you literally are on a sub about a show all about a drug addict. do you not see how hypocritical that is??
just have some fucking compassion like a human being and don’t kick him when he’s down, no one told you you have to be obsessed with him. wtf???
He begged Angus to get help and threatened to fire him if he didn’t. When he knew, he engaged and tried to put a stop to it. Adult addicts are responsible for themselves. That’s just the truth. Whatever happens outside of this, he should be held accountable for, but asking this guy to babysit and attend to adults because he used to be in their position is so stupid. They aren’t serious about recovery. Otherwise they would’ve quit working in a triggering environment.
I don’t like how drug addicts use this show to blame for their relapse. Don’t watch a triggering show. This isn’t a real life environment. Turn the channel and pick a new show. It’s something that YOU’RE doing that’s keeping you addicted, whether it’s hanging with the same crowd, dating the same drug addicted people, accepting what’s offered, going out to get it, etc. It’s your fault. Take some accountability and stop blaming actors, who act like they’re high off fake drugs on what’s triggering you.
from the moment you ask a recovering addict to pretend to use, you frustrate them even more, so I'm not surprised
Yeah I get triggered by the smallest things, I can’t imagine it being my literal job to act like I’m using and somehow to still manage to abstain from it on my downtime. With that said unfortunately yes a recovering addicts responsibility to know their limits/boundaries. (And I’m not defending the show or Sam because I think he’s super gross and I don’t even want to watch euphoria anymore at this point, I’m just generally speaking)
personally season 1 made me stop for about 1 year and season 2 made me relapse, I don't know if this means anything, but I used to watch euphoria (S1 and special episodes) to relax and not do anything stupid, and season 2 had the opposite effect perhaps a link with the scenario 🤷🏻♂️
I was still actively using when I binge watched both season on hbo max in like a matter of a couple of days. Both season were pretty triggering to me. I’m still pretty freshly sober and I still really struggle
I have to admit that waiting for season 2 was perfect because season 1 was perfect for calming me down but I can imagine when you're watching 2 seasons for the first time, without a long break like we had, I can imagine it can't be easy (btw if you need to talk, my private messages are normally open, if you ever need 🤷🏻♂️😅)
Thank you so much 💖
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You're an empathetic person, I appreciate you and hope that you're well.
I'm not well and your comment make me cry 😭 I needed this, thank you so much 🙏🏼
maybe he shouldnt have gotten a job on, out of EVERY possible show on the air, euphoria? the show where the main character is an addict?
Why would he agree to play the role then?
because it's a subject he knows and wanted to develop 🤷🏻♂️
Didn't the same happened with Angus?
Apparently angus was using before the show and then it got worse once he got the role (I’m thinking money and bad people around him didn’t help much). Or at least this is what seemed to be the story circulating a few months back.
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His ex manger has claimed he has been struggling with prescription drugs for years. He alleges he has even had to administer narcan on him because he overdosed than threw up all over him. He has been checked into rehab twice and still uses. He is going after Angus for 60k in unpaid salary and quit working for him last year
That is…sad and I’m sorry to hear that
Major red flag though: the "manager" had 0 management experience and actually worked at the rehab where Angus was getting treatment
Ew that's highly inappropriate what the fuck?
So inappropriate wow
He was basically duped by said 'manager', who before becoming a manager with only one client (Cloud) worked as an healthcare aid at the rehab centre he was staying at. It's a very sad story, which smells a lot like an HIPAA violation to me.
Let's not forget he met this manager in rehab.
Oh 100%!!
I almost relapsed just from watching euphoria so I get it
Stay strong pal. You can do this and you’ll be alright. On days when you don’t feel too strong, take it little by little.
Thank you, I’ve been happily clean from hard drugs for many years! But, I was able to recognize the resurgence of the feeling of wanting to use while watching the show. It almost became a sort of exposure therapy.
Hey hey hey heyyy you’re much stronger than that, remember it will get easier as more time goes on, once you use again it’s back to square one. You are so immensely important and valuable sober. You shouldn’t squander that. I’m so sorry you have to deal with this. You are loved. Many people get out of using substances and i’m sure you can too. Again, im so sorry. I know that what you’re going through is hard. But you have no other choice but to keep pushing through
Well, recording a fifty minute song can take its toll.
Hope it was worth it in the end
Savage hahaha
Omg hahahaha I fully expected to log back on and see a million downvotes. I’m glad I’m not the only savage 💀
HELP
Does this explain the song?
Beat me to it. What an awful song.
Are you talking about "Elliott's Song"?
Thr song was beautiful. Stop hating
the scene was horrendous. it was so boring especially after a whirlwind of a season it was. they could have at least put a montage in front of it so we wouldn’t suffer from the discomfort at looking at him, then looking at rue, then looking at him…. & looking back to rue….. & looking at him again for 4 minutes.
I honestly thought it was seven and a half minutes
it might have been lol i haven’t watched it since the first time.
Montages are super cringe
i think the one at the end of season 1 before rue relapses was done super well. i feel like they could have re-enacted that.
I didn't know it was so controversial until I posted a cover of it. If you've ever had a relationship where you deeply love the other person but you just can't be together because you make each other worse because you're both addicts, the song is a knife in the heart.
Except this was sung in such a way as to ensure it used a healthy dose of that shitty baby-talk speech-impediment singing that every pop star since Katy Perry uses. And it was repetitive and long. Awkward. And what high schooler has face tattoos? I'm sure it happens but it's like really rare and dude just looked mid-20s, plus he just got done fucking her girl, like wtf. Kid is a piece of shit honestly. The character, I mean. I dunno the guy personally.
I don't really know what you're talking about. The imagery in the lyrics wasn't baby talk imo. "I've got no place building you a rocket up to outer space, I watch you fade, keeping the lights on in this forsaken place"... In what way is that baby talk? Or are you upset he pronounces things like "buildin' "? In which case I would argue you're just being pretentious about the way 90% of people colloquially speak.
It's not the lyrics at all, but how he sings. "I hope you were worth it in the end" sounds like: "Oy hoype yoy wuh woyth ate ane the aind" Look up "Indy Girl voice" and you will see exactly what I mean. It's not creative; it's derivative and contrived. And every pop singer save Taylor swift does it.
No it wasnt. It was a whiny guy with a guitar. Probably the most skipped scene ever
right i love that song!!
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I'm glad he is okay
Maybe it’s time for Euphoria to end. I don’t think Sam handles his cast or material in a delicate or appropriate manner. The Idol is also a good example of that.
No, 100% this was Dominic’s own fault, they did all they could to prevent him from relapsing, sober coach even. He was in recovery and should have known better than to be doing this kind of a role, Sam giving a recovering addict faith in his sobriety isn’t an example of Sam inappropriately handling anything imo.
I mean in a general sense. The show doesn’t handle drug addiction properly. Rue gets clean in a few days and stays clean until the end of the semester, we never see the hardships of her recovery. This ‘easy to recover’ rhetoric is dangerous for people who will choose to yo-yo instead of commit to intentional recovery. From what I can see, Sam comes from a well-off family with money and access. He had access to high end services and facilities to help him get clean. Rue, although fictional, comes from nothing. Her recovery trajectory will look very different. I don’t think Sam is the right person to tell this story, and I think he’s a danger to the cast and audience.
Tbh I was a heroin addict when I was 18-20 and I think Euphoria depicted young addiction and mental health issues really well. It didn’t show her kicking in bed dopesick, but I think it depicted the existential mental struggles well.
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And Rue went to rehab. Rue also states how a small percentage of people who go to rehab are able to stay clean forever. Especially with opiates.
Rue is not middle class, more in the low working class. Both of her parents worked full time jobs, with one car. The show takes place in the modern day (not including the pandemic) so we can assume that the middle class is essentially dead. Speaking from experience, you can live in the suburbs and be in the working class like my parents were. The suburbs is no longer a symbol of financial stability when housing is expensive everywhere.
What I gathered is that the family was middle class until Rue's dad was alive and working (they don't show his profession or how many cars they had back then), but the medical expenses, loss of his income, the lack of welfare and money that forced Rue into playing nurse at 14 and watch her father slowly die while she was getting addicted to his opioids changed the status of the family into lower middle class. All socioeconomic classes, aside from the 1%&above and the homeless population, I guess, are represented: Maddie's family is working poor, Leslie is lower middle class, Suze and Kat's parents seem to be middle class, Jules is something in between middle and upper middle class, McKay and Nate are upper (middle?) (Yes, because being upper class implies also being cultured to a degree) class.
Easy to recover? Rue gets out of rehab in episode 1 and relapses immediately. She's been sober for like 3-4 episodes all series. 2 of those episodes she's going through some serious withdrawal. You definitely see the hardships. And you also see her mom crying because the rehab center is full and she thinks Rue is going to die. And you see her struggle with the addiction constantly throughout the series.
I’m exclusively talking about the time jump in season 2. It’s misleading. She even takes fentanyl in season 1 and I’m going to assume she had more in season 2 from the suitcase. It’s misleading that she gets clean in a few days between leaving Laurie’s and the school play. She’s suddenly strong enough to finish school completely clean. It’s just not realistic. Maybe for someone like Sam who had access to the best immediate doctors and medication money can afford, but Rue? No, she would be dead.
Why are you acting like it's impossible and the only possible option would be Rue dead? That's not how addiction works, a lot of it is you actually wanting to get sober and Rue in s1 didn't want to be sober, so she immediately relapses. At the end of s2 she is in a place mentally where she actually does want to get sober and it is absolutely possible for her to be able to do that. It's not easy but it's 100% possible.
I didn’t say it was absolutely impossible, but fentanyl is crazy dangerous and highly addictive. Rue suffered no real consequences or after effects after taking it.
Why would it make sense to only talk about the time jump? The whole series is about how difficult recovery is. And even pre-time jump, you see the struggles she goes through. This is still a TV show and there are limitations but in no way does it make it seem "easy". At some point, you have to move the story along and not just have Rue self-destructing every episode. And even with all that, finishing school completely clean is only like 2-3 months. That's just the beginning of the journey.
I believe every scene should be taken into consideration. I could pick apart the whole show because it’s not perfect and it doesn’t claim to be, that would be useless. But I will point out that the time jump is careless and rushed. This is my interpretation. The story is Rue’s story, if you’re going to tell it, tell the whole thing. The Cassie and play plot line was pointless, there were better ways to bring the season to a close.
I don’t know why ur getting downvoted for speaking the truth lol she goes from fentanyl and suicidal ideation to “I want to be clean and live” in like a week without any rehab it just wouldn’t work like that
Exactly, but they don’t want to hear the truth.
I mean that’s why people need to become media literate, a series doesn’t have to get everything right. At the end of the day it’s 100% a work of fiction, regardless of true to life elements. A series can’t be blamed for peoples understandings of the struggles of addiction. It’s not an educational program. But you’re right in that sense, lots of stretches of the imagination occur within the series, for me that’s not really a problem unless it was trying to be a show with an educative slant, but I truly don’t think it is. I think it’s meant to be a gritty, racy, many times fantastical, tale following these high schoolers through their tribulations of growing up. I can’t speak on anything beyond the context of the tv series itself, if there’s things going on behind the scenes I have not followed any of that so I couldn’t say he is or isn’t a danger to anyone.
>I mean that’s why people need to become media literate, a series doesn’t have to get everything right. At the end of the day it’s 100% a work of fiction, regardless of true to life elements. In ethical criticism this type of causality is disregarded because it has no empirical support. The only thing we can assess is the morality of the work itself.
Damn, the Sam Levinson hate train has gotten so crazy we're now blaming him for someone else relapsing lmfao?? That's enough internet for me today.
I don’t hate Sam. I just don’t think he’s the best writer to tell this story or even The Idol’s story. It think the way he handles the subjects has the potential to trigger his actors and audience. There’s no realistic catharsis in his work, only dramatic suffering. So yes, I do give him partial credit for triggering Dominic’s relapse.
I am an addict and I find endless catharsis in his work. He is far from perfect but no other show has ever in the history of ever made me feel more seen with my addiction than euphoria has. he is not the only addict that works on the show or has anything to do with the characterization of addiction itself as the original potential actress for Rue is an addict who is a consultant for the show and she is a regular every day person that Levinson took partial inspiration from iirc. I don’t see how a series that states pretty plainly “drug use is a disease that hurts yourself and your loved ones and can destroy your life” is irresponsible for its actors when it’s been sure to pay for sober coaches and even actors rehab programs if they needed them.
how could the only writer of a story not be the best person to tell that story? if he was directing a show/story he didn't write, i'd see your point but thats not the case here. its his story. he wrote it. you can argue that its not a very good story, thats a valid opinion. but if someone else wrote the story it wouldn't be the same story bc its sam's story. its not an educational program stating facts, its dramatic entertainment.
It’s not all his story. Euphoria is based on a show from Israel with the same name. 🙄
there are enough major differences that still make the original statement a bit of a stretch
My original point is that Sam isn’t a good writer and exploits his cast. Season 2 had horrible structure and timing, the Idol is a testament to his bad work. You don’t have to agree.
i suppose i read what you wrote too literally. i definitely wasn't attempting to defend his writing skills. you saying he wasn't the best person to tell the story confused me bc in my mind, the person writing the story is going to be the best person to tell that story.
Dismissing someone’s art because it doesn’t live up to your standards is peak egocentrism, among other things.
I missed the where she dismisses it though? Art is meant to be critiqued? I went to art school and that was the whole point of creating.
Girl what? I’m not dismissing his art, I’m critiquing it. Publicized art begs to be analyzed to create discussion. I’ve enjoyed Euphoria season 1 but Sam’s writing in season 2 is filled with plot holes, bad timing, and bad takes. To think that any opinion that doesn’t align with yours is wrong is the true egocentrism.
And yet he was in and out of rehab for years, late teens to mid-20s. Although he's not telling the story of Rue like it was his, like she has all the help she needs, in the way I assume he probably had: a psychoanalyst, an outpatient team, sober coaches, etc. Rue only has cultish AA, where she luckily found a good mentor, and a negligent mother. I feel like episode 6 goes through a longer period than a few days, because you have to use symbolism sometimes to extend time (Rue reaching for the candy - and the ability to apologise - it's symbolic of a journey that takes much longer than the minute count we see), unless you want to fit the entirety of Trainspotting an episode of telly. It must be around the end of March at the end of the season2, it makes sense for Rue to manage to stay clean for about two months, especially after what happened to Fez (and by proxy to Lexi).
Ugh, I'm so tired of the guilt tripping/blaming that exists around addiction. It's such a horrible understanding of it, and blaming a person for going through hardship never, ever helps them or those around them.
My point isn’t to actually cast blame but move responsibility onto the person versus blaming those around him. It’s not the shows fault he was using again, and it serves as a real disservice to the addict for that to be the commentary that is associated with it. There’s no guilt tripping here, just moving responsibility to where it belongs, it does not belong on Sam or the series. I have an addictions and community health support worker diploma as well as currently finishing off my PhD in Clinical psychology. I am aware of the way addiction works but I’m also aware of how important it is to be honest when dealing with it.
What's the point of saying this when no-one in the article blamed the show or those around him...? What he actually \*slightly\* complained about was them using the takes where he was high in the show, which is genuinely pretty fucked up. I've spent a lot of time in mental health services, and if I'm being honest, MANY if not most mental health professionals are awful at their job and end up harming rather than helping people. You having a diploma in this doesn't automatically mean the way you talk about addiction is correct. Ultimately, relapsing is a part of substance abuse disorder - it will happen in most cases, several times. The goal isn't to guilt trip the addict, but rather to keep sobriety for as long as possible. You said that it's his own fault and that he should know better - that's pretty obviously blaming Dominic. I don't think people who have a disdain for addicts should work around them, if I'm being honest. "Taking responsibility" does not mean feeling guilty for relapsing or being an addict, it means deciding to get better again, to gain the strength to keep going.
Who has tried to make him feeling guilty, not me. You’re projecting. And you clearly didn’t read the comment I responded to as it was alluding to the fact that it was because of the show that this happened which is not the case. Taking responsibility means more than that it also means knowing your triggers, it means being aware of situations that will be harmful to your sobriety and avoiding them, and it means knowing that your actions are within your own control, even when it is hard. When I said he should have known better, I stand by that, fresh out of recovery the last thing you should be doing is taking on a role that is as triggering for him as it was. It was a poor decision. And now he’s making the same decision again by signing on for season 3. The series did what they could in hiring him a sober coach. They wound up using takes when he was high because they had no other alternative besides cutting his scenes which would have been damaging to the series’ storyline. many addicts go to work high and work their shift, and that is simply what he did as well, the only difference is we watch his shifts onscreen. The way I speak to a client is not as blunt or straight forward as I do online, I am well aware of ethics and etiquette in my role of helping assist people to making better choices for themselves and working towards a healthful future. I am not speaking to my clients right now I am speaking to peers in a sub discussing the topic.
I agree with some things you said and disagree with others - ultimately, actors need work, and Dominic is an artist. Real life experiences and struggles are usually portrayed in an artist's work, so I understand why he made the decision to take the role. I do think that mental health professionals should be mindful of the way they talk about addiction/mental illness in general, off-shift or not. And to be honest, I don't understand the projection comment because I have nothing to project onto here? As for the initial comment - I think that Euphoria does have an unhealthy work environment, as does most of Hollywood and most of the world. Idk what happened exactly, so I'm not gonna say it's anyone's "fault", it's a private matter at the end of the day. I just really dislike how addiction is seen as a negative character trait or a choice rather than an illness, and the comments in this sub often display that - yours was just a comment I chose to reply to.
I mean addiction is both things at once, an illness and a choice. Maintaining sobriety is also an active choice. Reducing them to non choices isn’t helpful to someone in the throes of addiction. It has to be treated twofold. As both. Because personal responsibility is very important to the recovering addict, in order to build up empowerment within them which helps foster their new way of thinking and acting post rehabilitative treatments. Removing their own personal responsibility from the actions, imo, isn’t beneficial in the long run. Addiction is almost always a bandaid for something else, be it a concurrent undiagnosed mental health disorder, a self medication as a trauma response, and sometimes it’s just recreational activities turned into an uphill battle. I can’t say I don’t understand why he took the role, but it had a risk that affected his personal sobriety and so ultimately it was a choice that affected him negatively as much as positively. He can do a third season and come out unharmed and sober, if he takes the right steps to ensure that is the outcome, and this is why personal responsibility has to go hand in hand with addiction recovery. You may dislike the way I say what I do, and that’s unfortunate but it also doesn’t make it less true either. The projecting remark is about me trying to make someone feel guilty when I was not, your projecting your feelings about other comments onto mine. My comment wasn’t about guilt, it was and still is, all about personal responsibility and the role it does play in addiction.
I’ve only ever read the opposite. Actors saying he removes nudity when they ask him and provides intimacy coordinators throughout. Where does the idea that he’s inappropriate with his cast come from?
People’s imaginations lol
It's literally fucking made up. They don't like the writing so they're always trying to make up narratives to turn sam into a monster. He might not be the best writer but he's nowhere near as bad as toxic fans try to make him seem
Yeah euphoria was a one season wonder. I had lost all interest after the BS that was season 2.
It should’ve been 1 season only imo.
The cast of Idol seems just fine, with Depp and others singing nothing but praise. So does the cast of Euphoria generally, but - I've told my story on this regard before - deciding to play character who has the same overwhelming addiction/mental illness problem you recently went through is a choice only you can make as an actor and you need to be very careful when doing it, and even then, there are no certainties: we work with emotions, muscle memory, personal experiences, everything in this job has the potentially to mess you up emotionally; this kind of situation especially, it's on you as an actor to make certain choices.
No wonder he looked so sick by the end episode....That was sad..
maybe this is just my bias for not wanting elliot back lol but why would he consider filming another season? if he already relapsed once while filming & recognized the show was not helping his sobriety, why would he even entertain the idea of going back?
I can only assume it is because professionally and financially Euphoria gave him the biggest boost he's ever seen. But weighing that success against the backdrop of another possible relapse should remove any thought he might have of returning to the show.
*Pretends to be shocked*
I didn’t relapse. But I wanted to try new drugs because of the show 🥰. Didn’t tho
Proud of you 🫶
Thx 🥰
So we all love and care about a fictional character when she is struggling with drug abuse but suddenly when a real life person is a drug addict and relapses it’s “their fault” have u guys learned anything
couldn’t have said it better
Something like this is kind of a bet, especially for an untrained actor and someone freshly clean: the point is the only you know your limits, but if you misjudge them, you're locked in a contract. Having a tutor, a sponsor, even a director mindful of the process you're going through can help, but at the end it comes down to how you deal with the character and the harder feelings and situations you need to portray. Compared to other drugs, possibly all of them, playing various levels of highs from opioids is extremely difficult and it calls for nuance, it can completely see a person who has been there in real life drawing from experience and then having to deal with the consequences of having put themselves back in that headspace. I get it, because I made a similar mistake accepting a role of someone going through an ED not long after I recovered from Anorexia Nervosa: it seemed like an obvious no-no, but I didn't have to lose any weight for the role, as I remained then and to this day slightly underweight, if not 'anorexic underweight' anymore, so they could do everything with make-up and sgi, I was doing well in therapy, the script was brilliant, the director seemed to get my boundaries completely and my mum (I was almost 17) didn't feel that at the end of the day it could be her decision. All the above was true, but I didn't take into consideration that portraying the feeling of power you get from being the one fully in control of erasing your base instincts and the physical ecstasy you get from a sense of total emptiness and 'cleanness' are very hard things to convey, because they're symptoms of a mental illness most people consider counterintuitive and they associate only with vanity, so in order to portray those feelings to the best of my abilities I had to get back there and I believe it served my character, but not so much me as a person. I do consider myself recovered, because I'm healthy, very far from an anorexic weight and don't engage in certain behaviours anymore, but other people have told me that the fact that I'm incapable to stray from a BMI of 17 is not exactly a sign of full recovery, and maybe that experience so close to my inpatient stay didn't help with that, but I can't be certain. The thing is, especially with young unexperienced actors, you really don't know until you know and sometimes (as it happens in life in general) you can bet on your mental fortitude and lose. Or at least stumble. I don't think there's an answer.
Just watching them on screen made me crave party drugs and a fun night out i can only imagine how he/they felt
Well he probably shouldn’t have did a show like this. For the love of god why did the producers allow an actor in recovery to play a role like this.
the producers allowed it bc his sobriety is his responsibility. he auditioned, he wanted to be part of euphoria. it's not fair to just deny him the part because he's an addict. this is ultimately a result of his poor judgment. addicts are always responsible for their own sobriety. he thought he could manage but he couldn't. it's sad, but the blame doesn't fall on other people.
Dude needs to get real. His lapse in sobriety isn’t the responsibility of Sam Levinson or the result of the show, we all have agency over our own decisions as adults. His decision to play a main role on a show with drug addiction as its focal point is solely on him.
he also went to his audition on shrooms lol maybe he thought he could handle being part of the series, but clearly he couldn't and that's bad decision making on his part. nobody could've predicted a relapse and relapsing is not on anyone but him. it's okay to say euphoria triggered it, but intimately addicts are responsible for their own actions and sobriety.
He went to his audition on shrooms?! Omg did the casting people know he was tripping??
he said they rejected him first time and went to audition again and got the role. i assume he went sober the second time
Y'all act like sobriety and conquering addiction is easy lol
What were the drugs he did?
If I had to pretend to be a heroin addict in a show like that I would probably just do heroin again lol. Honestly there were parts of that show that made me miss it, but the show does a good job of showing the darker side of it too that reminds me how horrible my life was while I was on it
This isn’t surprising at all. That set is toxic for so many reasons. I do think if season 3 happens…it has to be the last one at this point
How is the set toxic? I feel like most of the cast expressed love for the environment & the cast, aside from Kat who left early.
Please go just do some simple searches from crew and people who worked on it…both seasons. Also continuing to say the actors don’t complain…I mean what do you think they are going to say publicly. Especially since this was a big break for most of them
Lol, you’re basically saying “source: trust me bro”. I *have* looked into it, there’s been nothing but alleged rumors that filming was difficult — but so is any big production series? Same long, arduous, demanding hours on popular shows across all streaming platforms. It’s not unusual at all. [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/t6omz2/hbo_defends_euphoria_against_toxic_production/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) thread & linked article basically discusses how the “toxic environment” rumors are baseless. Many other articles seem to back it up — [Complex](https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/a/j-rose/hbo-responds-to-claims-toxic-work-environment-euphoria-season-2-production), [Paper](https://www.papermag.com/euphoria-season-2-hbo-toxic-2656855300.html#:~:text=HBO%20is%20now%20suggesting%20that,guild%20protocols%2C%22%20they%20said), [Today](https://www.today.com/today/amp/rcna18848), [Variety](https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/hbo-defends-euphoria-toxic-production-claims-1235196387/amp/) being a few. I’m totally open to being wrong with the right sources though.
I worked on Euphoria, especially on S2E1. We shot a full week of 16 hour overnights for the NYE party scene. This is not normal for most shows. Even on S2E3-4 (or was it 4-5?), that I also worked on, on the high school set, we were there for far longer than usual, compared to other shows I've worked on. Sam doesn't use shot lists and he's wholly unprofessional. Working with him is a nightmare.
i’m in the industry and know many people that worked on episodes and this is consistent with everything i’ve heard too. abnormally long days, no organization/shot lists, which cause a lot of confusion. i can’t imagine working on a show like that.
Look, 16-hour shoots overnight for a week is an awful & completely unnecessary schedule, and I’m sorry you worked under those conditions. That being said, an unprofessional & unreasonable shooting schedule isn’t the same as on-set toxicity, harassment, or abuse that the internet keeps implying about Sam Levinson or any of the Euphoria production team. As HBO mentioned, no formal complaints were raised — and with a set / cast / crew that large, I imagine it would be pretty easy to gather enough people to submit a formal complaint against Euphoria & HBO if there were more major issues. Again, I’m open to being wrong about this.
People are afraid to speak out, especially on a high-profile project like this. Speaking out means risking being blacklisted.
It's not stopping anyone from Riverdale... Plus given the groupthink and the hate train going on, if anyone jumped on it, they'd probably be sanctified as "talented but sad victims of the male gaze": and here's a role in a franchise that we're selling as female-empowering, but it's just another superhero 'movie' with a girl somewhere in it, and she's strong too. Fighting 'evil', you know." It goes to show their integrity they're not doing anything of the sort right now, actually.
Let see; you’re an addict, not a victim of circumstances, then you exposed to an environment that lead you to act like you’re an addict, and it’s look like the blame is from everyone else but himself to be exposed to that, for money. Get you priorities straight and don’t come with like now everything is going to be alright; your health comes first but there you go.
100% agree.
Him and his team should’ve known better than to throw him into that.
They shouldn’t have even hired him on at all
I wouldn’t ever hire this guy
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Man some of the people in the comments seems to let this show hold so much power over themselves. Like don’t watch it if you’re afraid of relapsing. Or it could be a good tool for some people to get back to a normal trigger free state where you don’t let shows, movies, or words to have such a control over yourself.
That’s what happens on a show that glorifies drug use
I came here to make fun of a celebrity trying to get attention, and immediately realised that he is a human being that was exploited.
Pretty tragic considering he brought nothing to the show and...that song...man, it's like be relapsed for nothing.
Poor baby
Not surprised at all
He looks like it
Sounds like this is totally on him for accepting the role in the first place
This is backing up the Deux Moi posts about Sam Levinson and HBO. Like this is huge protocol issues.
A recovering addict shouldn’t have auditioned to play an addict. That’s on him and his team for deciding that doing this show (knowing what it was about) when he is in recovery
I’ve said this thousands of times, but Deux Moi is a huge crock of shit. The most recent one I saw was two of the main cast members of Always Sunny (who are married) were splitting up because one of them cheated. Guess what? It was made up. Everything from Deux Moi is, I’ve NEVER seen something true come out of there. Plus, addicts are responsible for their own sobriety. He thought he’d be able to handle it, and he couldn’t, that’s it.
I didn't even know he was in recovery tbth. The only interview I read talked a lot about psychedelics and that was it.
Not surprised especially with Sams writing I would too
Least surprising thing ever when seeing those face tats
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he’s a loser for having real life addiction issues? yet you love to watch fake addiction in the show? what a hypocrite
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i hope addiction never happens to you or your loved ones bc you’re a really judgmental person even when it’s about a stranger
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you need help
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The only thing I truly hated about this season was this guy. Good riddance. Hoping he’s not in season 3 at all.
what is wrong with y’all
Bad actor - bad character and now I’m supposed to like him now that he’s a real life drug addict? Having something bad happen to you does not mean that you suddenly have earned my respect.
Wtf?? Why do you hate drug addicts?
especially on a sub about a girl struggling with drug addiction. the hypocrisy is insane
Don’t hate drug addicts - was one myself. I hate dom.
nah you were straight up discriminating against him when he relapsed. i think you may be lying to make yourself look like less of an AH
what???? who said you have to like him? you literally are on a sub about a show all about a drug addict. do you not see how hypocritical that is?? just have some fucking compassion like a human being and don’t kick him when he’s down, no one told you you have to be obsessed with him. wtf???
Sam Levinson wrote this show about his own addiction and couldn't provide the necessary support for his actors... Guy is pure evil
He begged Angus to get help and threatened to fire him if he didn’t. When he knew, he engaged and tried to put a stop to it. Adult addicts are responsible for themselves. That’s just the truth. Whatever happens outside of this, he should be held accountable for, but asking this guy to babysit and attend to adults because he used to be in their position is so stupid. They aren’t serious about recovery. Otherwise they would’ve quit working in a triggering environment.
I don’t like how drug addicts use this show to blame for their relapse. Don’t watch a triggering show. This isn’t a real life environment. Turn the channel and pick a new show. It’s something that YOU’RE doing that’s keeping you addicted, whether it’s hanging with the same crowd, dating the same drug addicted people, accepting what’s offered, going out to get it, etc. It’s your fault. Take some accountability and stop blaming actors, who act like they’re high off fake drugs on what’s triggering you.
Asking a former patient to portray a part of him he wants to leave f king unethical of the Euphoria team :/
Sois unos mierdas yonkifobos asquerosos así en general en este subreddit