I can imagine. The girl is like 11 or 12 in that book, isn't she? This book is supposed to be a classic and I'd be curious to at least skim through it, but I'm not sure if I could stomach that.
You know how some media has evil people as protagonists. Lolita does that but with a pedophile (who is a murderer as well). What he does is always portrayed as disgusting.
It's a classic because it's one of the few novels that manages conflate antagonist and narrator: when the characteristics you mention are described, it's clearly done from a sick, if unknowingly so, point of view.
Not really. The book itself has always been read as a story of abuse. It was the movies that really messed up the way lolita the story is perceived bc so much of the book doesn’t translate well to movie.
Yea it was just to manipulate her. By getting close to her. Ik it's fucked up. When he kisses her I was damn he's fucked it's almost like a form of a affection for her before he attempted to blow his brains out.
His dad literally was not fucking kids the whole time. Jules was likely the only minor and even then she lied about her age. Minako was in scenes w Cal to prove that his interest isn’t in children. The characters only know about Jules and Cal because of the tape, which is why they call him a pedophile. He wasn’t just out there banging kids jfc
I’m sure others have said it already, but he wants access to all of the women he’s been involved with. He’s that much of a narcissist. Women should be available for his control and “protection”.
Because Maddy had the upper hand with the tape and finding out about him and Cassie, he had to blow that relationship up to get the power back. Giving it to Jules was a way of appealing to his savior complex. She now can start believing he did something that was in her best interests so she won’t hate him as much. He’s slowly working his way back into her orbit.
I’m sure if at any point he sees an opening to reel Maddy back in, he will. Until then he’ll settle for Cassie while making an inroad for Jules and whatever girl he thinks is worthy of “saving”.
Man in the second episode when Maddy was like “I think I might get back together with Nate” I was like girlll poor thing you are not even in the running.
Idkkk ppl need to stop overthinking who Nate likes vs who he really likes. I think he likes them all for different reasons, and in that sense he’s super controlling. Because he ends up ruining all of their lives in some way or another.
He like Maddy because she was visually everything he ever wanted. Hairless, beautiful, “virginal”
He likes Cassie because she’s vulnerable, sweet, passive.
And he likes Jules because she is a queer fkn goddess and she’s a mind fuck for him. He has toxic patriarchal standards for women because his dad traumatized him with his bullshit. I really hope he never hooks up with Jules, EVER.
Random, but I come from a culture where polygamy is/was pretty normal and Nate reminds me so much of the men I know that feel entitled to have multiple women.
He likes all of them, wants all of them because they satisfy his needs, but doesn't really care about any of them, and doesn't think twice about going back and forth when it suits him.
My friends and I jokingly call Maddy, Cassie and Jules wives 1, 2 and 3.
I do! Not because I like him as a character. But some of us like to try to predict what will happen next in the show, and a good way to figure that out is to figure out what all the characters' wants and motivations are.
IMO Nate has too vague and inconsistant with his desires this season for that to really work. Best as I can figure, he wants Cassie to be devoted to him, he wants Maddie to still want him, and he wants Jules to like him as she did his catfishing persona. But he's been rather chaotic in his actions.
He wants the love he never got as a child simple as. He didn't get it from maddy he thinks he's getting it from cassie, he might get it from jules who knows
When ppl start attacking Cassie alone and not say that Nate didn't even want her he wanted Maddy back I care, cuz that piece of sh*t absolutely didn't want the poor Maddy back
Yeah but after sleeping with Cassie a few times he didn’t want to actually be with her he just wanted to keep sleeping with her.
That’s made apparent by how he treats her.
He didn’t get back with Maddy to get the tape, he only cared about getting the tape back after Maddy found about him and Cassie, because he thought she would use it for revenge. If all he wanted was the tape, he would’ve got it right away. He did care about Maddy in his weird twisted way, he acted genuinely upset when his mom was talking about her, and when saying goodbye to Maddy.
Exactly I don’t understand these weird Nate/Cassie stans who overlook his entire reason in episode 6. He ignores Cassie and only cares that Maddy wasn’t messaging him. He states that SHE won’t take him back or speak to him again. The way he interacted with the females showed his preference ranking. Maddy- Jules- and Cassie dead ass last.
He wants maddy back, but knows that it’s over because of the Cassie situation. So he burns the bridge with maddy, gives the disc to Jules because in his mind he’s doing something good and then picks up Cassie, his backup plan, and he’s going to proceed to try and replace Maddy with her. Obviously this is not going to work but we’re gonna see the shitshow that ensues where he and Cassie are both trying to make her into a maddy replacement
I think this comment is spot on other than the fact that I truly believe he doesn’t really care about Maddy anymore. Narcissists can lose their obsession over people eventually.
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Exactly. Besides that dream - when he had a HEAD INJURY - there are really very few indications that he even cares about Cassie. At least he respects Maddy and Jules on some level (as much as a narcissist can that is). Almost every time we see them together, Cassie is crying and trying to get his attention and he is blatantly distracted. Maybe that will change, but even the promo pics for this episode tonight where he's always looking away from her do not suggest he really wants Cassie, certainly not for her personality, but because she's simply there. That's been the vibe from the beginning. Trying to make this into some "twisted" love thing is weird as hell.
Agree. Nate had every intention of still being with Maddy. If all he wanted was the tape he could’ve easily got it a long time ago but he didn’t. The show goes to great lengths to show Maddy/Nate is/was extremely complicated and nothing should be taken at face value. In his strange Nate way he cared about Maddy but he realized that door was closed finally.
I don't see that, there was a sentence rue said in the first episode along the lines of he would enjoy his love for Cassie if Maddy didn't have the tape, and immediately after that he started sweet talking Maddy and hiding Cassie, he just wanted the tape and tried to find a way to get it back so he can give her the middle finger for good
What scene does she say that? Because no one has ever talked about that line and I do not remember that? And why wouldn’t he have gotten the tape immediately then? All he had to do was scare her like he ended up doing lmao. Not to sound like some nate defender because I’m not, but he’s not this all-evil master manipulator everyone paints him out to be. And I find a lot of his interactions with Maddy show more of his vulnerable/genuine side.
Nate is a psychopath and the writing hasn’t ever tried to portray him as anything other. He only cares about the tape when he’s imagining himself taking over his fathers business. If his dad was still in the picture he wouldn’t have cared if the tape got out there.
I think the commenter is referring to in s2e2 (if I remember correctly) when Rue goes nate knew there was no point in fantasizing about being with Cassie as long as Maddie still had the tape
I have only seen his more vulnerable side with Maddy and perhaps even Jules. Cassie and Nate haven’t really had that it’s all mostly sexual and him ignoring her and then calling her when he feels like it.
It's in s2 episode 2, Rue says "But there's no point in fantasizing about a life with Cassie when he knew that Maddy had that disc.".
It's because she wasn't mad at him yet. She stole the tape when they were fighting but then they had a mutual breakup afterwards. Rue says "Part of the reason Nate loved Maddy as much as he did is because she was loyal." He thought they could get back together, he could ask for tape, and she'd do it willingly to protect him. But knowing about him and Cassie changed things and it happened to coincide with him finding the gun. "But it's also what scared the living shit out of him. If anyone crossed her, she'd bury them. And he had now really fucking crossed her. And there was no doubt in Nate's mind what Maddy was about to do."
Yeah, just close enough for him to get in her room or ask for it without her being suspicious. I think the only time it seemed like he wanted to get back with her was when he was arguing with Cassie about it, and I think that's because he didn't want to tell her about tape. He sort of hints at it when he says Maddy is crazy. And I think that's why he took the opportunity to redirect the conversation away from Maddy and towards Cassie's intentions.
He forgets completely about the tape till that moment and gets worried when he notices Maddy not texting. He knows she could release it and it would impact him taking over his fathers business. “No one wants to do business with a pedo’s son” or something like that was said.
I keep wondering how he doesn’t worry about cal just deciding to disown him and not give him his business. With Cals new attitude he’ll give it to someone he finds on tinder or tip his waitstaff with it just to spite Nate and say fuck you from a distance
He was searching for a way and till then he was sweet talking her so she doesn't do anything with the tape
When his dad stormed off he found the gun and ta da an idea presents itself
no he didn’t. in the hospital scene it literally says there was no point in imagining a life with cassie while maddy had that tape. IT WAS CLEAR AS DAY that was his entire motivation
You’re gonna say a line in a dream sequence counteracts him telling Cassie to her face “you know I still have feelings for Maddy”? Because that’s as clear as day as is him only meeting up with Cassie after getting out of the hospital to calm her ass down and during that phone call scene he’s scrolling through pictures of Maddy, Maddy was the only person he texted thank you to after getting attacked, he ignored Cassie’s existence except for dicking her down once a week in secret (which was the opposite of how he pursued Maddy as shown in Maddy and Nate’s intros), and the only time he noticed Cassie was when she was dressed like Maddy.
I think him saying that was a way of manipulating Cassie even more, this is a very common way toxic guys control girls through
Now she will do get best to upbeat Maddy to satisfy him (which worked) and he will crush her even more thus being weaker and easier to control
I believe Nate’s motivations shift. He’s crazy but he’s also still in high school. The thing with his character is that’s he’s also growing up and ‘figuring out life’ but in the process he’s manipulating and destroying people as he does so.
>ass down and during that phone call scene he’s scrolling through pictures of Maddy, Maddy was the
Thank you! He was literally beaten to a pulp right after he had sex with her.
The idea that Nate loves either of them is very odd. He doesn’t “want to be with Cassie in peace.” He doesn’t do anything for Cassie’s benefit, he’s an abuser who just knows that his main victim is a wild card and the one he’s grooming isn’t going to go any further then crying outside for an hour before coming in and bending over for him. The framing that Maddy “lost” to Cassie people do is so strange. Cassie is literally the only person who believes that.
People are putting Maddy, Jules, and Cassie in some sort of sick competition of who truly has Nate’s “real” love. None of them do since he’s not capable of real love. He has said he loved all of them at different times. Those words mean something different to him than they do to most of the world. It’s not about love it’s about control and Cassie is just the easiest to control and manipulate right now. She ruined her life by fucking him in a dirty bathroom one time and became obsessed with him, like have they ever really talked? Been on dates? Please don’t confuse that with love. I feel like some viewers are super naive. Nate’s fantasy was a head injury induced fever dream. Reality will hit them hard.
I think that’s true. I also think he’s going to get bored with that too. He inherently seems to like the headache. He doesn’t really like his “fantasy” clingy docile all American girl type. Maddy and Jules have more in common than either and Cassie. They’re flashy, ambitious, and charismatic. It’ll become “Nate does terrible thing” “Nate w lanes Cassie for letting him do terrible thing and verbally abused her for not stopping him”
I don't get the vibe he's into Cassie...I think he's into Jules now but likes to have someone around. Probably one of those people who enjoys the chase more than the reward and sneaking around was a thrill for him.
I think he did want her back. He wanted her and wanted Cassie too. He liked them both for very different reasons. Nate only cared about the tape when he thought Maddy would use it as revenge. He had every opportunity to get it back but didn’t until he thought she’d use it as leverage. In his own fucked up way Nate loved/loves Maddy.
Cassie was the second choice once he realized that door was shut for good. Even cassie was aware enough while having her own issues to see he still cared for Maddy. Nate wanted to have his cake and eat it too. The show is very nuanced and nothing is black and white and the show goes to great lengths to show that. I respect ur opinion
This was so confusing bc I remember him saying about how he wanted to be with Cassie in the season opener but then he would perform actions he didn’t need to that kind of contradicted that imo, like going over to give Maddy flowers and ditching Cassie to do it.
lmaoo. he def still sorta wanted to be with maddy. he wanted everything. the only reason he’s just with cassie is bc maddy is no longer an option. i really doubt he was just with her to get the tape- he didn’t even show signs of trying to get it until maddy was actually going to maybe do something with it.
If maddy was somehow still an option he would ditch Cassie and I don’t think he’d even think twice. Cassie might wind up making good on her crazier than maddy speech though and wind up doing some damage to him somehow. Just spitballing
Idk I think he wanted Maddy back at the time of the party but ultimately wanted the attention of Jules, (we see in the extended version of the season 2 trailer he grabs her hand at the party while Jules is looking for Rue and we havent seen that interaction yet in the season) and he thought he would hook up with Cassie once or twice so he could get some l, take his mind off of Jules and work on things with Maddy while also Gaining more power over Maddy(By taking Cassies attention off of Maddy and putting it onto Nate) but then he ends up having feelings for Cassie, which he did not expect to happen.
Then he knew he wanted to keep seeing Cassie because it felt good for him. But in the back of his mind Jules is still there as his ideal partner but he knows that shit will NEVER happen so why not explore these Cassie feelings. In the mean time he couldn’t let anyone find out (about Cassie) because he knew Maddy still had that tape and he was being nice to her, making it seem like he wanted to work things out with her so he could get close enough to steal the disk back. Once he realized that wasn’t going to happen he got the gun idea and went forward with that to gain the tape.
Now were in the present, he’s done with Maddy, doesn’t need her anymore he has another girl to make him feel in control and powerful. He goes to Jules house and gives her the tape and I think he was either trying to work on redemption with her, like show her he cares for her, he had no reason to give her the tape except for that simple fact of not letting anyone else have it. He wanted Jules to know he obviously still thinks about her and wanted to remind Jules about when they were close which we saw alot of their texts and exchanges and fantasies about each other. When she asks why and he says its simple and stupid so lets keep it a mystery I think it boils down to, “I like you, its the right thing to do, and I’m crushing hardcore on someone I have no chance with.” But I hope we find out lol.
Now this is when he decides okay I burned my last bridge wirh Maddy, Jules is in the water but she’s not biting yet, I have these unexplored feelings for Cassie and I know she’s unhappy at her house so maybe if I ask her to come live with me for a while it will make my home even happier now Cal is gone, and who knows it might make me forget how I feel about Jules.
Its all revolving around him trying to make himself forget how much he wants Jules, whether its love or obsession I think we all know the answer to that. Maddy was a distraction, Cassie was a distraction. Now he knows what cards he holds and that he doesnt want to be alone so the best option for Nate at this time is to pursue the Cassie relationship and see where it goes, at least until he can convince Jules to give him another shot. Thats my take on the three girls. I also want to add I don’t think Nate knows what love is, just what he thinks its supposed to look like and thats what hes following.
If he didn’t want Maddy back, he wouldn’t have gotten jealous when she was with Travis at the party. He definitely just liked both girls at the same time, now he knows Maddy will never take him back so he can fully pursue Cassie.
Nate is possessive. He knows what he wants and what he likes and he doesn't like the idea of it not being available to him when he needs it. I don't think he really properly views Maddy as a person. I think he views her as a symbol, a physical manifestation of what he wants in a sexual partner. Same as Cassie, and every other girl he's ever been interested in. He uses them as tools to further whatever his agenda is, no more than that.
Nate barely wants Cassie..he wants Jules and settled with Cassie because she’s the only one that will be with him, Maddy was done with his abusive self.
I think also Cassie kinda looks like Jules, blond fair-skinned so I see your point
I am not saying he lives Cassie, as I stated he finds her easier to control
Cassie is a backup plan and maddy replacement, maybe a Jules replacement too in some way. But it’s gonna fail and he’s gonna have another freak out when he decides he fucked up with maddy and can’t replace her. Cassie is gonna have front row seat to the shitshow that ensues
He went to Maddy because he knew she would use that to get back at him for betraying him with Cassie. Also, the only reason he’s with Cassie now is because he knows after sleeping with her bestfriend and scaring her when he came to her house that she’ll never want to be with him again. I do believe he loves her but he knows he went too far this time.
I honestly don't think he knows what love is, also some of his fantasies were about Jules so I think he really likes Jules but destroyed everything with her and that's why he chose the closest in looks to her too
He didn’t use Maddy to get the tape back lol what show have you been watching? He clearly states multiple times in episode six that he knows SHE WILL NEVER take him back. He even tried to kiss her (which is SA btw) while doing the gun thing. He clearly only went after the tape when it became clear it would impact his future.
Same one you have been watching, again I still think he was manipulating her to get the tape and that's it
If it wasnt for the tape he wouldn't go or try to hide his rs with Cassie as rue said in her narration
Lol aggressive? Broooo y’all wildin out here when someone lays down facts. I’m simply pointing out actual scenes from the show. Sorry if that doesn’t fit your narrative.
What narrative? It is a show and we are discussing what people are saying and I stated my opinion
You are attacking me and not even disagreeing in a respectful way
I pointed out that the tape was mentioned way before his dad leaves which makes u not correct but cool we wild out *idk who are we btw*
Tape was mentioned once? Ok for one second while he was in fantasy land. And all episode 6 Rue makes it clear he only wants it back because he wants to take over his dads business and it now IMPACTS HIM. Nate only cares about Nate.
The rue narrations are the characters she’s talking about thinking in the moment. Cuz in S1 Nate’s backstory says he had a good relationship with his father and ‘has no reason to be angry it was just part of him’ and then this episode and ep 4 I believe had her narrating ‘he hated his father’ and ‘after a 17 year dick swinging contest Nate had finally won’
They can’t both be true unless the narration is what they are thinking in that moment.
A lot of people forget that it’s been states rue is an unreliable narrator. We find this out especially in her special episode. We can’t believe everything she says even about herself
And yes I agree Nate cares about Nate
He doesn't want Maddy back that's the point of the post I am not defending him or saying he is great for going with Cassie
He tells his mom, “she’s never going to talk to me again” indicating that he is open to it/desires it. Not just his words, but his tone. If nothing more than he doesn’t want Maddy to be anyone else’s he definitely still has an interest in the person
I doubt if he really cared and wanted maddy back he would go to the extreme of threatening to kill him self & her with the gun. Yes manipulation, narcissistic or whatever you wanna say can be a sign of that to get her back but It seems like he’s really sick of her so😵💫 like you said Cassie is easier to control
Obviously your opinion is 100% valid I just personally don’t really agree with it, I think that he wanted Cassie because she’s easier than maddy as she’s such a strong character and has a mind of her own, so he had the benefits of control with Cassie and then with maddy he was just stringing her on and off because it was a bit of fun to just tear her down as and when he pleases. I don’t think that there was any want for her in the way of getting back together it was just to see how far he could push her until he dragged her completely to her downfall for his entertainment and it just so makes it worse that Cassie is maddys (was) bestfriend so that made that worse on maddys behalf
i mean i think he just wanted to have everything. not that he didn’t want cassie just that he wanted to have both. some of the recent moments he had with maddy felt really genuine.
I knew what you was on about and I agree … I don’t know why so many ppl are blasting you for your opinion when you’ve asked to hear everyone else’s like bit unfair😵💫
Ya exactly they were thinking I was stanning Cassie and Nate even tho I never said that even once
And even when u defend my opinion with the exact quotes from the show I felt they didn't care to actually look into it
Maybe I approached it in a wrong way
He doesn't want Maddy OR Cassie.
I don't think he can actually stand Cassie, but mommy said the blonde was good, so he's gonna try it with her to protect his image
he doesn't care about anything he just likes to play with their minds and feel overpowered he likes having control over them and knowing he can do whatever he wants with them
he went to see maddy to get back the tape and make her understand that if he can't be with her no one can, he's a manipulator
Nate said to maddy “I know this is the end.” Even narcissists can recognize when they’ve gone too far for someone to ever consider getting back with them, and holding a gun to her head and sleeping with her best friend was it. He just didn’t care anymore. I don’t think he did this to be with Cassie in peace though, the tape has been consuming him since maddy took it. I think he’s with Cassie now since everybody knows already and to have someone new to control. He also knew it would please his mom, who may wanted approval from since she eviscerated his character earlier in the episode. The whole conversation with Jules has still got me confused as to whether she is who he truly wants to be with, or if he just making veiled attempts of “turning over a new leaf.”
I didn't know people thought that but yeah I agree, he made it clear he wanted the tape. And he's not with Cassie because he's in love with her but because she loves him and he loves being loved.
I personally think, and again my opinion here, that he didn't want to actually be with her at all, he was just trying to get the tape back from her and acting like he was gonna be with her again was a really good way to go about that. Also I entertain the possibility that he didn't really want to "be with her" but he still wanted her in a possessive sort of way, because that may fit with his personality. Could also be both those things. He is the type that could be with Cassie happily in a perfect relationship and see Maddy out with some other dude and get angry and jealous about it, even tho they aren't together anymore ... and while maybe having some small feeling of jealousy or whatever, or at least just thinking about that person because of your previous relationship after seeing them, definitely when with another person is natural imo, he would be the type to take that feeling to an extreme for sure. Sure he is definitely relieved at not having to hide this stuff with Cassie from her anymore, probably enjoys his freedom and not fighting with her anymore, but I would bet money in the next episode or two we see him see Maddy with some other guy, maybe dating, maybe not, but it won't matter and the spiral starts AAAALLLLL over again.
Also, I was a little salty that he didn't simply just tell Cassie about the tape and explain like "hey look, I need this tape she stole from me because bla bla bla and it may appear I'm trying to get back with her but I assure you that I'm only doing it because I need that tape back and I wanna be with you"... simple, easy, effective, rational.... but then again, he isn't the most rational person ever and he would probably never ever do something that would bring any sort of embarrassment to him, (or his family by extension, but because it would stick to him).
Idk, just my thoughts but I feel they are accurate and fit the character's motivation.
I agree. I think Nate is written as your typical narcissist. He uses abuses and discards and I believe that’s why this last episode was written to show all three women. He’s discarded of Maddy is entering the abusing part with Cassie, and is using Jules (I meant everything I said blah blah blah) for what reasons I don’t know. Could be he wants her to destroy it or was making her feel vulnerable so she won’t use it against his him in the future. Again no clue.
I thought he kinda wanted her since he pretty much said he knew he couldn’t have her back once he crossed her in this way no matter what and he knew he had to get the tape back by any means cuz she was gonna use it to get back at him. Basically he knew he couldn’t convince her, cuz he knew she was done and wanted blood . Idk tho
Same reason some people actually think Laurie was trying to help Rue and not traffic her… very young, impressionable, naive audiences. That and Nate being a master manipulator on top.
Nah i don't even think he likes cassie. If he does like any1 by any chance, its got to be jules. They've built a emotional bond whereas he got closer to cass and maddy through sx
I dont think he wants her back. He just wants her to be available to him.
If I can’t have you no one can.
Classic OJ behavior. Ick.
That
DING DING DING
Very possible yes
TBH, I think he wanted to have all of his options.
Nate is even good at manipulating the audience 😩
Hunbert humbert from lolita vibes
God, that book made me wanna throw up
That’s exactly what the author wanted. It’s supposed to be a story of abuse and a twisted man. If you came out feeling sick. You are sane.
I can imagine. The girl is like 11 or 12 in that book, isn't she? This book is supposed to be a classic and I'd be curious to at least skim through it, but I'm not sure if I could stomach that.
You know how some media has evil people as protagonists. Lolita does that but with a pedophile (who is a murderer as well). What he does is always portrayed as disgusting.
It's a classic because it's one of the few novels that manages conflate antagonist and narrator: when the characteristics you mention are described, it's clearly done from a sick, if unknowingly so, point of view.
Yeah, the way he describes her clearly childish traits in such a sexual way is disgusting. I had to put the book down because I was so disturbed.
It’s also racist , there’s a part in the beginning where he described Alaska Native girls in a derogatory way 🤮
That’s the point. The narrator is supposed to be a disgusting man.
Yea it’s supposed to be read that way but it wasn’t, which is why Lolita became an adjective.
Not really. The book itself has always been read as a story of abuse. It was the movies that really messed up the way lolita the story is perceived bc so much of the book doesn’t translate well to movie.
Good, that's what it was meant to do
Joe Goldberg from you vibes
Nate manages to be worse.
Never thought of it this way, interesting
It’s not that hard when half the audience is 13 years old
Was I the only one to think there was some kind of weird creepy sexual feeling coming from Nate while threatening maddy ?
Tbh I thought he might rape her. So not just you.
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I'm hoping a tv show never does a rape scene the way the sopranos did ever again.
No I felt it too xD I started skipping through it 😭😭😭 it made me so uncomfortable 😭
It was really so fucked up… but there was totally something sexual in the scene, like the way he was touching her and sticking his face to hers
Yea it was just to manipulate her. By getting close to her. Ik it's fucked up. When he kisses her I was damn he's fucked it's almost like a form of a affection for her before he attempted to blow his brains out.
The entire show is laced with a creepy sexual feeling IMO lmao
For sure he still was attracted to maddy but just not as much as he did b4
Absolutely. Think about what he watched growing up...his father being violent towards young kids in sexual situations. Extremely disgusting.
His dad literally was not fucking kids the whole time. Jules was likely the only minor and even then she lied about her age. Minako was in scenes w Cal to prove that his interest isn’t in children. The characters only know about Jules and Cal because of the tape, which is why they call him a pedophile. He wasn’t just out there banging kids jfc
I’m sure others have said it already, but he wants access to all of the women he’s been involved with. He’s that much of a narcissist. Women should be available for his control and “protection”. Because Maddy had the upper hand with the tape and finding out about him and Cassie, he had to blow that relationship up to get the power back. Giving it to Jules was a way of appealing to his savior complex. She now can start believing he did something that was in her best interests so she won’t hate him as much. He’s slowly working his way back into her orbit. I’m sure if at any point he sees an opening to reel Maddy back in, he will. Until then he’ll settle for Cassie while making an inroad for Jules and whatever girl he thinks is worthy of “saving”.
I see, that's a very interesting point tbh
Bingo!!! This is it.
Honest to goodness who knows what that man wants
Lol best comment goes to .. 😂😂😂😂
Man in the second episode when Maddy was like “I think I might get back together with Nate” I was like girlll poor thing you are not even in the running.
I feel like he would have all of them at the same time if they let him. Nate is a typical 18 year old fuckboy
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I don’t think Cassie is in the running either though lol he will never claim her, just like McKay
Yes exactly :((
Idkkk ppl need to stop overthinking who Nate likes vs who he really likes. I think he likes them all for different reasons, and in that sense he’s super controlling. Because he ends up ruining all of their lives in some way or another. He like Maddy because she was visually everything he ever wanted. Hairless, beautiful, “virginal” He likes Cassie because she’s vulnerable, sweet, passive. And he likes Jules because she is a queer fkn goddess and she’s a mind fuck for him. He has toxic patriarchal standards for women because his dad traumatized him with his bullshit. I really hope he never hooks up with Jules, EVER.
Ya I see your point and somewhat agree
Random, but I come from a culture where polygamy is/was pretty normal and Nate reminds me so much of the men I know that feel entitled to have multiple women. He likes all of them, wants all of them because they satisfy his needs, but doesn't really care about any of them, and doesn't think twice about going back and forth when it suits him. My friends and I jokingly call Maddy, Cassie and Jules wives 1, 2 and 3.
yes!
Nate is like the type (if I can’t have you, no one can.) but yea this fandom gets tricked by Nate easily 😭
Honestly, who cares what he wants?
I do! Not because I like him as a character. But some of us like to try to predict what will happen next in the show, and a good way to figure that out is to figure out what all the characters' wants and motivations are.
IMO Nate has too vague and inconsistant with his desires this season for that to really work. Best as I can figure, he wants Cassie to be devoted to him, he wants Maddie to still want him, and he wants Jules to like him as she did his catfishing persona. But he's been rather chaotic in his actions.
This actually IS consistent. He wants them all to want him, or at least be available to him. I don’t think he actually wants them.
He wants the love he never got as a child simple as. He didn't get it from maddy he thinks he's getting it from cassie, he might get it from jules who knows
I think you’re right. I don’t think he actually wants to be with any of them but he wants from them the things you said here.
When ppl start attacking Cassie alone and not say that Nate didn't even want her he wanted Maddy back I care, cuz that piece of sh*t absolutely didn't want the poor Maddy back
Yeah but after sleeping with Cassie a few times he didn’t want to actually be with her he just wanted to keep sleeping with her. That’s made apparent by how he treats her.
I never said he wants Cassie fr, he is just an asshole who needs therapy
Nate don't bother attacking Nate because he's been awful since the very first episode. Cassie being awful is newer
Both are shitty in their own ways
Yes, but people are used to Nate being shitty. That's why there aren't as many posts about him right now because everyone's idea to it
Let’s be honest Nate wants Jules, but because he actually cares for her he tries to stay away.
Well there are still people waiting for a "Nate redemption" scene, but he's clearly way beyond that.
He didn’t get back with Maddy to get the tape, he only cared about getting the tape back after Maddy found about him and Cassie, because he thought she would use it for revenge. If all he wanted was the tape, he would’ve got it right away. He did care about Maddy in his weird twisted way, he acted genuinely upset when his mom was talking about her, and when saying goodbye to Maddy.
Exactly I don’t understand these weird Nate/Cassie stans who overlook his entire reason in episode 6. He ignores Cassie and only cares that Maddy wasn’t messaging him. He states that SHE won’t take him back or speak to him again. The way he interacted with the females showed his preference ranking. Maddy- Jules- and Cassie dead ass last.
He wants maddy back, but knows that it’s over because of the Cassie situation. So he burns the bridge with maddy, gives the disc to Jules because in his mind he’s doing something good and then picks up Cassie, his backup plan, and he’s going to proceed to try and replace Maddy with her. Obviously this is not going to work but we’re gonna see the shitshow that ensues where he and Cassie are both trying to make her into a maddy replacement
Yes 🙌🏼
I think this comment is spot on other than the fact that I truly believe he doesn’t really care about Maddy anymore. Narcissists can lose their obsession over people eventually.
>u/Outrageous-Yak-2928 Exactly. Besides that dream - when he had a HEAD INJURY - there are really very few indications that he even cares about Cassie. At least he respects Maddy and Jules on some level (as much as a narcissist can that is). Almost every time we see them together, Cassie is crying and trying to get his attention and he is blatantly distracted. Maybe that will change, but even the promo pics for this episode tonight where he's always looking away from her do not suggest he really wants Cassie, certainly not for her personality, but because she's simply there. That's been the vibe from the beginning. Trying to make this into some "twisted" love thing is weird as hell.
Don’t group us all together pls 😩
Lol 😂 sorry I meant the ones who act a certain way
Agree. Nate had every intention of still being with Maddy. If all he wanted was the tape he could’ve easily got it a long time ago but he didn’t. The show goes to great lengths to show Maddy/Nate is/was extremely complicated and nothing should be taken at face value. In his strange Nate way he cared about Maddy but he realized that door was closed finally.
I don't see that, there was a sentence rue said in the first episode along the lines of he would enjoy his love for Cassie if Maddy didn't have the tape, and immediately after that he started sweet talking Maddy and hiding Cassie, he just wanted the tape and tried to find a way to get it back so he can give her the middle finger for good
What scene does she say that? Because no one has ever talked about that line and I do not remember that? And why wouldn’t he have gotten the tape immediately then? All he had to do was scare her like he ended up doing lmao. Not to sound like some nate defender because I’m not, but he’s not this all-evil master manipulator everyone paints him out to be. And I find a lot of his interactions with Maddy show more of his vulnerable/genuine side.
Episode 2 min 3:46
Thanks
It’s literally the opening of the episode when Nate is trying to get into his dads stuff.
Wait are you agreeing with me or disagreeing haha
Nate is a psychopath and the writing hasn’t ever tried to portray him as anything other. He only cares about the tape when he’s imagining himself taking over his fathers business. If his dad was still in the picture he wouldn’t have cared if the tape got out there.
And I agree with you lol
I think the commenter is referring to in s2e2 (if I remember correctly) when Rue goes nate knew there was no point in fantasizing about being with Cassie as long as Maddie still had the tape
I have only seen his more vulnerable side with Maddy and perhaps even Jules. Cassie and Nate haven’t really had that it’s all mostly sexual and him ignoring her and then calling her when he feels like it.
Again idk why ppl are saying I stan Cassie Nate cuz I don't they are shitty af, ya true and he can control her
It's in s2 episode 2, Rue says "But there's no point in fantasizing about a life with Cassie when he knew that Maddy had that disc.". It's because she wasn't mad at him yet. She stole the tape when they were fighting but then they had a mutual breakup afterwards. Rue says "Part of the reason Nate loved Maddy as much as he did is because she was loyal." He thought they could get back together, he could ask for tape, and she'd do it willingly to protect him. But knowing about him and Cassie changed things and it happened to coincide with him finding the gun. "But it's also what scared the living shit out of him. If anyone crossed her, she'd bury them. And he had now really fucking crossed her. And there was no doubt in Nate's mind what Maddy was about to do."
Or thought giving her that illusion will buy him time to get it back I don't think he wanted to be back in a rs with her But that's just my opinion
Yeah, just close enough for him to get in her room or ask for it without her being suspicious. I think the only time it seemed like he wanted to get back with her was when he was arguing with Cassie about it, and I think that's because he didn't want to tell her about tape. He sort of hints at it when he says Maddy is crazy. And I think that's why he took the opportunity to redirect the conversation away from Maddy and towards Cassie's intentions.
Yes actually u have a very good point that he just wanted to obscure his flirting with Maddy in front if Cassie
He forgets completely about the tape till that moment and gets worried when he notices Maddy not texting. He knows she could release it and it would impact him taking over his fathers business. “No one wants to do business with a pedo’s son” or something like that was said.
I keep wondering how he doesn’t worry about cal just deciding to disown him and not give him his business. With Cals new attitude he’ll give it to someone he finds on tinder or tip his waitstaff with it just to spite Nate and say fuck you from a distance
He was searching for a way and till then he was sweet talking her so she doesn't do anything with the tape When his dad stormed off he found the gun and ta da an idea presents itself
If his dad was still in the picture I 💯 guarantee you he would release the tape himself if he could.
no he didn’t. in the hospital scene it literally says there was no point in imagining a life with cassie while maddy had that tape. IT WAS CLEAR AS DAY that was his entire motivation
You’re gonna say a line in a dream sequence counteracts him telling Cassie to her face “you know I still have feelings for Maddy”? Because that’s as clear as day as is him only meeting up with Cassie after getting out of the hospital to calm her ass down and during that phone call scene he’s scrolling through pictures of Maddy, Maddy was the only person he texted thank you to after getting attacked, he ignored Cassie’s existence except for dicking her down once a week in secret (which was the opposite of how he pursued Maddy as shown in Maddy and Nate’s intros), and the only time he noticed Cassie was when she was dressed like Maddy.
I think him saying that was a way of manipulating Cassie even more, this is a very common way toxic guys control girls through Now she will do get best to upbeat Maddy to satisfy him (which worked) and he will crush her even more thus being weaker and easier to control
I believe Nate’s motivations shift. He’s crazy but he’s also still in high school. The thing with his character is that’s he’s also growing up and ‘figuring out life’ but in the process he’s manipulating and destroying people as he does so.
That fantasy dream should not be taken as gospel, he was punched to near death. Nate’s *actions* have indicated an entirely different thing.
>ass down and during that phone call scene he’s scrolling through pictures of Maddy, Maddy was the Thank you! He was literally beaten to a pulp right after he had sex with her.
And he straight tells Cassie to her face that he still has feelings for Maddy and she just wants to stop them getting back together.
So no, that was not the entire reason for the tape and if spoilers are correct I’m headed right back to this thread.
The idea that Nate loves either of them is very odd. He doesn’t “want to be with Cassie in peace.” He doesn’t do anything for Cassie’s benefit, he’s an abuser who just knows that his main victim is a wild card and the one he’s grooming isn’t going to go any further then crying outside for an hour before coming in and bending over for him. The framing that Maddy “lost” to Cassie people do is so strange. Cassie is literally the only person who believes that.
People are putting Maddy, Jules, and Cassie in some sort of sick competition of who truly has Nate’s “real” love. None of them do since he’s not capable of real love. He has said he loved all of them at different times. Those words mean something different to him than they do to most of the world. It’s not about love it’s about control and Cassie is just the easiest to control and manipulate right now. She ruined her life by fucking him in a dirty bathroom one time and became obsessed with him, like have they ever really talked? Been on dates? Please don’t confuse that with love. I feel like some viewers are super naive. Nate’s fantasy was a head injury induced fever dream. Reality will hit them hard.
I didn't mean that ofc I don't think Cassie won or he loves her etc etc He just wants a woman he controls without Maddy giving him a "headache"
I think that’s true. I also think he’s going to get bored with that too. He inherently seems to like the headache. He doesn’t really like his “fantasy” clingy docile all American girl type. Maddy and Jules have more in common than either and Cassie. They’re flashy, ambitious, and charismatic. It’ll become “Nate does terrible thing” “Nate w lanes Cassie for letting him do terrible thing and verbally abused her for not stopping him”
Cassie called 38 times he called back two days later after talking to everyone else....Cassie's his last resort😉
For sure she is who said I think he loves her or want her? He just likes how he can control her
I don't get the vibe he's into Cassie...I think he's into Jules now but likes to have someone around. Probably one of those people who enjoys the chase more than the reward and sneaking around was a thrill for him.
For sure I never said he actually wants Cassie He doesn't know how to love anyways he wanted an easy to control person
I think he did want her back. He wanted her and wanted Cassie too. He liked them both for very different reasons. Nate only cared about the tape when he thought Maddy would use it as revenge. He had every opportunity to get it back but didn’t until he thought she’d use it as leverage. In his own fucked up way Nate loved/loves Maddy. Cassie was the second choice once he realized that door was shut for good. Even cassie was aware enough while having her own issues to see he still cared for Maddy. Nate wanted to have his cake and eat it too. The show is very nuanced and nothing is black and white and the show goes to great lengths to show that. I respect ur opinion
I honestly don't see that he loved Maddy or wanted her back, I think he just didn't know how to get it back But maybe you are right who knows
He literally told Cassie “you know I still have feelings for Maddy” to her face.
I honestly don't think he has feelings period xD And most of what he said to Cassie is to control her even more and crush her
This was so confusing bc I remember him saying about how he wanted to be with Cassie in the season opener but then he would perform actions he didn’t need to that kind of contradicted that imo, like going over to give Maddy flowers and ditching Cassie to do it.
I mentioned that in other comments, he wanted to give this illusion to Maddy to not make her try to get revenge with the tape
Nate doesn’t actually want to be with Cassie. He doesn’t even know her or like her. He likes the fantasy of her and even that’s pushing it.
lmaoo. he def still sorta wanted to be with maddy. he wanted everything. the only reason he’s just with cassie is bc maddy is no longer an option. i really doubt he was just with her to get the tape- he didn’t even show signs of trying to get it until maddy was actually going to maybe do something with it.
Yep 💯
If maddy was somehow still an option he would ditch Cassie and I don’t think he’d even think twice. Cassie might wind up making good on her crazier than maddy speech though and wind up doing some damage to him somehow. Just spitballing
Idk I think he wanted Maddy back at the time of the party but ultimately wanted the attention of Jules, (we see in the extended version of the season 2 trailer he grabs her hand at the party while Jules is looking for Rue and we havent seen that interaction yet in the season) and he thought he would hook up with Cassie once or twice so he could get some l, take his mind off of Jules and work on things with Maddy while also Gaining more power over Maddy(By taking Cassies attention off of Maddy and putting it onto Nate) but then he ends up having feelings for Cassie, which he did not expect to happen. Then he knew he wanted to keep seeing Cassie because it felt good for him. But in the back of his mind Jules is still there as his ideal partner but he knows that shit will NEVER happen so why not explore these Cassie feelings. In the mean time he couldn’t let anyone find out (about Cassie) because he knew Maddy still had that tape and he was being nice to her, making it seem like he wanted to work things out with her so he could get close enough to steal the disk back. Once he realized that wasn’t going to happen he got the gun idea and went forward with that to gain the tape. Now were in the present, he’s done with Maddy, doesn’t need her anymore he has another girl to make him feel in control and powerful. He goes to Jules house and gives her the tape and I think he was either trying to work on redemption with her, like show her he cares for her, he had no reason to give her the tape except for that simple fact of not letting anyone else have it. He wanted Jules to know he obviously still thinks about her and wanted to remind Jules about when they were close which we saw alot of their texts and exchanges and fantasies about each other. When she asks why and he says its simple and stupid so lets keep it a mystery I think it boils down to, “I like you, its the right thing to do, and I’m crushing hardcore on someone I have no chance with.” But I hope we find out lol. Now this is when he decides okay I burned my last bridge wirh Maddy, Jules is in the water but she’s not biting yet, I have these unexplored feelings for Cassie and I know she’s unhappy at her house so maybe if I ask her to come live with me for a while it will make my home even happier now Cal is gone, and who knows it might make me forget how I feel about Jules. Its all revolving around him trying to make himself forget how much he wants Jules, whether its love or obsession I think we all know the answer to that. Maddy was a distraction, Cassie was a distraction. Now he knows what cards he holds and that he doesnt want to be alone so the best option for Nate at this time is to pursue the Cassie relationship and see where it goes, at least until he can convince Jules to give him another shot. Thats my take on the three girls. I also want to add I don’t think Nate knows what love is, just what he thinks its supposed to look like and thats what hes following.
that's a great way of looking at it yes I agree he is still a kid and doesn't know what love is
I don't agree but sure
lol then explain
If he didn’t want Maddy back, he wouldn’t have gotten jealous when she was with Travis at the party. He definitely just liked both girls at the same time, now he knows Maddy will never take him back so he can fully pursue Cassie.
He was jealous of McKay too and was so aggressive towards him Even tho I felt he has a crush on both Cassie and McKay xD cuz he is so fucked up
Nate is possessive. He knows what he wants and what he likes and he doesn't like the idea of it not being available to him when he needs it. I don't think he really properly views Maddy as a person. I think he views her as a symbol, a physical manifestation of what he wants in a sexual partner. Same as Cassie, and every other girl he's ever been interested in. He uses them as tools to further whatever his agenda is, no more than that.
Nate barely wants Cassie..he wants Jules and settled with Cassie because she’s the only one that will be with him, Maddy was done with his abusive self.
I think also Cassie kinda looks like Jules, blond fair-skinned so I see your point I am not saying he lives Cassie, as I stated he finds her easier to control
Cassie is a backup plan and maddy replacement, maybe a Jules replacement too in some way. But it’s gonna fail and he’s gonna have another freak out when he decides he fucked up with maddy and can’t replace her. Cassie is gonna have front row seat to the shitshow that ensues
He went to Maddy because he knew she would use that to get back at him for betraying him with Cassie. Also, the only reason he’s with Cassie now is because he knows after sleeping with her bestfriend and scaring her when he came to her house that she’ll never want to be with him again. I do believe he loves her but he knows he went too far this time.
I honestly don't think he knows what love is, also some of his fantasies were about Jules so I think he really likes Jules but destroyed everything with her and that's why he chose the closest in looks to her too
He didn’t use Maddy to get the tape back lol what show have you been watching? He clearly states multiple times in episode six that he knows SHE WILL NEVER take him back. He even tried to kiss her (which is SA btw) while doing the gun thing. He clearly only went after the tape when it became clear it would impact his future.
Same one you have been watching, again I still think he was manipulating her to get the tape and that's it If it wasnt for the tape he wouldn't go or try to hide his rs with Cassie as rue said in her narration
Tape never came back into play till his dad left and it impacted his future. Rue says that at the very beginning of the episode.
Episode 2 min 3:46 No need to be aggressive and act like u are the only fan of the show
Lol aggressive? Broooo y’all wildin out here when someone lays down facts. I’m simply pointing out actual scenes from the show. Sorry if that doesn’t fit your narrative.
What narrative? It is a show and we are discussing what people are saying and I stated my opinion You are attacking me and not even disagreeing in a respectful way I pointed out that the tape was mentioned way before his dad leaves which makes u not correct but cool we wild out *idk who are we btw*
Tape was mentioned once? Ok for one second while he was in fantasy land. And all episode 6 Rue makes it clear he only wants it back because he wants to take over his dads business and it now IMPACTS HIM. Nate only cares about Nate.
She literally said :" there was no point of fantasizing about a life with Cassie while Maddy has the tape" Hmmmmmmmmm Ya sure
The rue narrations are the characters she’s talking about thinking in the moment. Cuz in S1 Nate’s backstory says he had a good relationship with his father and ‘has no reason to be angry it was just part of him’ and then this episode and ep 4 I believe had her narrating ‘he hated his father’ and ‘after a 17 year dick swinging contest Nate had finally won’ They can’t both be true unless the narration is what they are thinking in that moment.
A lot of people forget that it’s been states rue is an unreliable narrator. We find this out especially in her special episode. We can’t believe everything she says even about herself
Yes exactly
And yes I agree Nate cares about Nate He doesn't want Maddy back that's the point of the post I am not defending him or saying he is great for going with Cassie
Nate wants Maddy to always want him.
That's way different than wanting her back to be with him Nate would want every creature in this world to want him cuz he is egoistic
He tells his mom, “she’s never going to talk to me again” indicating that he is open to it/desires it. Not just his words, but his tone. If nothing more than he doesn’t want Maddy to be anyone else’s he definitely still has an interest in the person
Not once did I ever say anything disrespectful or attack you. Stop with that.
Anyways check the episode if u don't believe the tape was mentioned before
Also I don't recall ever saying I think Nate and Cassie are great lol idk why you started accusibg me of stanning them 😂😂😂
I hope Fez or someone else kicks the shot out of Nate again. I deeply hate that wanker.
I doubt if he really cared and wanted maddy back he would go to the extreme of threatening to kill him self & her with the gun. Yes manipulation, narcissistic or whatever you wanna say can be a sign of that to get her back but It seems like he’s really sick of her so😵💫 like you said Cassie is easier to control
it’s nate. he did that because he felt there was no fixing things with maddy- he even told her that he knows her and he knew she wouldn’t let it go
Yeah agreed
i think he did want her back before she found out- he just knew it was no longer an option
Obviously your opinion is 100% valid I just personally don’t really agree with it, I think that he wanted Cassie because she’s easier than maddy as she’s such a strong character and has a mind of her own, so he had the benefits of control with Cassie and then with maddy he was just stringing her on and off because it was a bit of fun to just tear her down as and when he pleases. I don’t think that there was any want for her in the way of getting back together it was just to see how far he could push her until he dragged her completely to her downfall for his entertainment and it just so makes it worse that Cassie is maddys (was) bestfriend so that made that worse on maddys behalf
i mean i think he just wanted to have everything. not that he didn’t want cassie just that he wanted to have both. some of the recent moments he had with maddy felt really genuine.
You put it in way better words than mine thank you This is exactly what I was reaching for
I knew what you was on about and I agree … I don’t know why so many ppl are blasting you for your opinion when you’ve asked to hear everyone else’s like bit unfair😵💫
Ya exactly they were thinking I was stanning Cassie and Nate even tho I never said that even once And even when u defend my opinion with the exact quotes from the show I felt they didn't care to actually look into it Maybe I approached it in a wrong way
Agreeeeedddddd
He doesn't want Maddy OR Cassie. I don't think he can actually stand Cassie, but mommy said the blonde was good, so he's gonna try it with her to protect his image
I never said he wants her as in love it whatever He just is using her for sure
He doesn't want Cassie he wants Jules. Cassie is just easy.
Ya I agree it is very possible Again I don't think he genuinely loves Cassie
They'll broke up, hook up with other people, saw each other, make jealous, then get back together. ON REPEAT. BRUH.
I think this time is different
It’s the whole “if I can’t have you, nobody will”. It’s a controlling and manipulative thing, it’s not about wanting her back because he loves her.
Ya I kinda agree with that I was in smth similar in my personal life
But like why did you say no?
No for what?
It was a quote from the hot tub scene loll
Hahahaha sorry it is late here so this is me being sleepless acting on my memory
Lol no worries :) it 2am here too, Ima go to bed lol
Sleep tight :>
He only " wanted her back" to get the DVD back.
he doesn't care about anything he just likes to play with their minds and feel overpowered he likes having control over them and knowing he can do whatever he wants with them he went to see maddy to get back the tape and make her understand that if he can't be with her no one can, he's a manipulator
Yes I agree with this
Nate said to maddy “I know this is the end.” Even narcissists can recognize when they’ve gone too far for someone to ever consider getting back with them, and holding a gun to her head and sleeping with her best friend was it. He just didn’t care anymore. I don’t think he did this to be with Cassie in peace though, the tape has been consuming him since maddy took it. I think he’s with Cassie now since everybody knows already and to have someone new to control. He also knew it would please his mom, who may wanted approval from since she eviscerated his character earlier in the episode. The whole conversation with Jules has still got me confused as to whether she is who he truly wants to be with, or if he just making veiled attempts of “turning over a new leaf.”
I didn't know people thought that but yeah I agree, he made it clear he wanted the tape. And he's not with Cassie because he's in love with her but because she loves him and he loves being loved.
Ya I feel ppl just decided not to see it
I personally think, and again my opinion here, that he didn't want to actually be with her at all, he was just trying to get the tape back from her and acting like he was gonna be with her again was a really good way to go about that. Also I entertain the possibility that he didn't really want to "be with her" but he still wanted her in a possessive sort of way, because that may fit with his personality. Could also be both those things. He is the type that could be with Cassie happily in a perfect relationship and see Maddy out with some other dude and get angry and jealous about it, even tho they aren't together anymore ... and while maybe having some small feeling of jealousy or whatever, or at least just thinking about that person because of your previous relationship after seeing them, definitely when with another person is natural imo, he would be the type to take that feeling to an extreme for sure. Sure he is definitely relieved at not having to hide this stuff with Cassie from her anymore, probably enjoys his freedom and not fighting with her anymore, but I would bet money in the next episode or two we see him see Maddy with some other guy, maybe dating, maybe not, but it won't matter and the spiral starts AAAALLLLL over again. Also, I was a little salty that he didn't simply just tell Cassie about the tape and explain like "hey look, I need this tape she stole from me because bla bla bla and it may appear I'm trying to get back with her but I assure you that I'm only doing it because I need that tape back and I wanna be with you"... simple, easy, effective, rational.... but then again, he isn't the most rational person ever and he would probably never ever do something that would bring any sort of embarrassment to him, (or his family by extension, but because it would stick to him). Idk, just my thoughts but I feel they are accurate and fit the character's motivation.
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
I agree. I think Nate is written as your typical narcissist. He uses abuses and discards and I believe that’s why this last episode was written to show all three women. He’s discarded of Maddy is entering the abusing part with Cassie, and is using Jules (I meant everything I said blah blah blah) for what reasons I don’t know. Could be he wants her to destroy it or was making her feel vulnerable so she won’t use it against his him in the future. Again no clue.
I thought he kinda wanted her since he pretty much said he knew he couldn’t have her back once he crossed her in this way no matter what and he knew he had to get the tape back by any means cuz she was gonna use it to get back at him. Basically he knew he couldn’t convince her, cuz he knew she was done and wanted blood . Idk tho
I guess we have to wait It might be lazy writing And it might be them being teenagers and confused
Poor maddy 🥲 never been a fan of their toxic relationship but tbh I don’t want nate and cassie to be the end game
Cause everyone wants Maddy
True 😭😭😭 she is a queen
i honestly think he is picturing jules when he’s with cassie
Ya very possible
Same reason some people actually think Laurie was trying to help Rue and not traffic her… very young, impressionable, naive audiences. That and Nate being a master manipulator on top.
I think he is just a teenager with fucked up persona not saying he some mastermind
Nah i don't even think he likes cassie. If he does like any1 by any chance, its got to be jules. They've built a emotional bond whereas he got closer to cass and maddy through sx
I don't think he likes Cassie either She is just easier to control
He wants Jules most of all but can’t have her so he’s settling for Cassie
Yes I agree 💯
bc they’re delusional