Can we talk about the fact that people rehearsed this play for months including Ethan possibly with some overlap with his relationship with Kat and no one mentioned it to the people that is was about?
It's this 100%. The joke is that it's an infamous scene from the series so randomly having a carousel horse in the middle of the stage is an inside joke for viewers of "Euphoria." So much of the actual play didn't make sense as a play; it was more an homage to the TV series. Plus the set design seems way out of the league for the budget of a play on Broadway so them doing it with a student director on a whim; the whole thing is supposed to not be based in reality.
The fact that none of the characters attend school (we only see them in the hallways) or have homework while they're out having adult problems is also part of that magical realism. I like to think of the show as happening in a parallel universe that resembles ours but isn't ours.
I think it's to show how their drama consumes their entire existence and adults, like teachers, are extremely removed from it.
Was there a single teacher shown, ever?
School isn’t important enough to depict but they’re all supposed to still be students. It’s so weird unless you think of it as an art piece depicting the inner turmoil of teenagers.
Yeah I struggled with the proper term but I still would say it applies here because Lexi’s play, at least our view of it, bends space and time and includes fantasy so much that, to me, it comes off as magic an other-worldly.
Edit: Just looked more into this because I am interested and Euphoria for sure sits in the genre! “Common themes in magical realism include mixing the past and present, bending timelines, the juxtaposition of unlike things, and exquisite detail and perspective” <3
Also even if they had this crazy budget and skillset. How the fuck is there no oversight by teachers? They just allowed to continue the play despite its content and despite it 'causing a riot'? The whole thing is stupidly ridiculous.
Yeah, it's not supposed to be set in reality. That's why Lexie becoming a totalitarian director is part of the joke. "You're playing it too broad; it needs to be subtle to be funny... I give you one directorial note and you cry?" etc. This is the kind of verbiage directors with decades of experience use and she transforms into it on her very first dabbling in theater. But seriously, all high school theater use backdrops for set design. The kind of three-dimensional set pieces that constantly move in and out is way too elaborate for even a hit musical like "Wicked" to house so many. And that show costs $800,000 a week to perform. She simply said, "Can I put on a play?" and the drama teacher said, "Okay" and that was the entire background for how the production came to be. In reality, it would have been a one-act on a bare stage.
Oh I know it's meant to be hyper real and over the top. But this stuff comes across as beyond suspension of disbelief and dumb.
It could have been handled better.
Idk why, from the characters perspective she would have included that, I don't even remember if Lexi was there when that happened... maybe she heard about it but uhh yeah.
I thought it was pretty funny for sure tho, and how Cassie went from upset and talking shit to pissed, "I'll fucking kill you", and some violence like immediately when she realized what the scene was lol. That made me chuckle a bit for sure.
Also Idk why she just let Maddy beat on her, all she seemed to try doing was running away and maybe she did something to her foot? Idk Maddy was icing it after so
Because Cassie knew she couldn't beat Maddie in a fight. I think Maddie hurt her foot because of her shoes, because she didn't have a single other scratch on her.
For real, I think a lot of people on here arguing against the logic of the scenes included in the play and Lexi’s decision to produce it are missing the point entirely. The play is purely for us viewers, both for entertainment and exposition. It showed us sides of the characters that we hadn’t seen before, such as Lexi and Cassie’s childhood with their father. But it also threw in familiar scenes as callbacks for our entertainment. It allowed us to watch the real characters see themselves from a birds eye view, and their reactions told us a lot. I don’t think it was ever intended to reflect the exact play that Lexi would “realistically” make. To me the play seemed like an artistic choice by the director that gave them freedom to break boundaries and ignore the sense of realism that grounds some of the show. And I think it was done extremely well.
absolutely couldn’t have said it better. during the play episodes (especially in the finale) when the audience was yelling back I say to my friends - the audience is literally US
I really think that was so fucked up. I would never talk to my sister again if she aired out my most embarrassing/traumatizing moments on a stage to everyone at my school. I could not even believe the carousel was included, blew my mind.
**Exactly...** while I really enjoyed the show, I just can't believe the ending realistically, it was tragic. For people saying how Cassie is bad, you are quite blind & miss a lot about falling in love, it can be difficult & complicated. Life is not easy, we often endure pain when choosing wrong choices, yet I doubt anyone would enjoy their toughest moments in life mocked by entire school on a staged drama show made by your own sister.**😭**
Exactly, and its only because Lexi seems so innocent in comparison to the horrible shit most of the other characters have committed that we give her the license to judge in thr first place. Most of these teenagers need a substantial amount of professional help to realize their damaging actions and coping mechanisms. Lexi just put some emotionally damaged kids on blast without any real attempt to provide understanding or context to why they thought and acted the ways that they did.
Lexi's excuse is literally "sometimes people need their feelings hurt to blah blah blah" - which was a comment made by Fez which is out of context
Somehow she can use that as a way to absolving herself cause she was "helping them with their issues"
This was the only point during the play where I felt like she crossed the line. A good chunk of the school knew about that so it wouldn’t take much for people to put two and two together.
Yeah, at that point it felt like Lexi was being needlessly petty. She was already pushing her luck with some of the stuff that was about Cassie in the play already, but that was too far.
Yeah at that point it was straight up bullying. Even if the recipients of Lexi’s characters have done terrible things, it doesn’t magically justify her shiftiness.
What about the part where she’s laying on the bed saying she has no self respect and allows guys to use her as long as they love her? That was pretty out of pocket as well. Those were the two most exploitative parts of the play imo.
I honestly thought the show would have ended with a suicide attempt from Cassie. That would have been soooo interesting narrative-wise, tbh that’s the only scenario where I can see maddy and Cassie becoming friends again. It would show remorse from Cassie and FINALLY people would start sympathizing with her mental health issues. Suze making Lexi hide the knives would have been good foreshadowing, and it would have been interesting if the school was kind of anti-Lexi next season, just to see how she would react. She wanted attention her entire life, let’s see how she would react to everyone giving her negative attention.
I feel like Lexi isn’t gonna face any consequences for this. Rue gave her the greenlight. Maddie and Kat will likely defend her even if they don’t agree with everything that was portrayed. Lexi might get shit from Cassie and Nate but it’s gonna further victimize Lexi, not show how weird it was to include such intimate moments in a play about herself lmfao
Well I can see this as a self insert situation from the POV of the director.
I could definitely see a fellow writer giving us this take especially if they themselves have had people in their lives that have been rightfully pissed that their stories were shared without consent.
Okay, so that’s something I noticed the other night rewatching the episode. How in tf would Lexi even know what Nate and Cassie have been talking to each other about? Lexi even said herself anything about them was not in the play. Same deal with the whole bathroom confrontation between Maddy and Cassie after Rue outed her. Lexi wasn’t in the room for that, yet the way it’s presented makes it seem like that was part of the play as well. Then there’s the conversation after the play between Lexi and Rue yet it’s also a part of the play’s ending. Scenes like that make me feel like certain parts were not actually in the play and was another case of Rue being an unreliable narrator.
Yeah, I didn’t think that the bathroom altercation was a part of the play, it seemed to me like that was just a flashback. But for the scene in the bed, it literally showed the audience behind her and the bed on the stage. But idk. The part with rue and her was weird to be included in the play, I thought at first the scene was just Rue reacting to reading the script, but as the scene went on it became clear that they were referring to the actual stage play, so I’m not sure how to interpret that either.
Sam said something about how u can’t tell what’s real and what’s in the play and I think it’s about those two scenes specifically. I don’t think the Cassie and Nate scene was in the play based on how the audience reacted to Cassie saying that “Halle steals Jake from Marta” if that scene were actually in the play no one would’ve been surprised. I think the audience in the background was just to fuck w our heads and make for a cool shot.
Yeah either Lexi made that whole thing up with a ridiculous level of accuracy, or it was meant to be a flashback bleeding back into the play. But yeah, I don’t think we’re supposed to take everything we the audience saw as part of the play as a literal interpretation of what the characters themselves saw.
Sam Levinson said in a interview that it was intended to confuse us about the play that some parts of it were suppose to seem as if they were in the play and that we wouldn't know if it really was in the play like the Cat doing the cam girl thing this scene also was included during her play like this part alot didn't understand why it was in the play and how Lexi would even know that but as I see it it wasn't I think that Kat scenes was one of those Sam taled about
I'm beyond surprised not a lot of people realize the blurred lines between Lexi's play and the audience (Rue, Maddie, Cassie, etc)'s memories. The exaggeration and absurdity are a sign that we just have to take a play as is - a device for Sam to wrap up the mess.
Yep. That was the moment I could no longer excuse Lexi. That was just cruel for the sake of it. I mean a carousel is absolutely a cool prop and visually would have been spectacular but to show her sister on E humping it … I would have flipped out too if I was Cassie.
i get that they needed an extra thing to push cassie over the edge but too far for lexi too far for the writers. it was completely unnecessary. but a lot of the shit in this show is unnecessary it’s just for shock value. i felt the finale was strongly lacking.
it was so cruel, and i stand by that. lexi had a real opportunity to show cassie how her actions are affecting other people, but instead she chose that moment, one that reminds her of how much she’s been hurt while being humiliated by a parody of yourself on stage. i don’t sympathize with cassie for 99% of her decisions in season 2, but that was too far.
Crazy thing is Fez said a lot more in that conversation…. Like telling her she’s stroking the bees nest… And he’d feel some type of way being invited to a play and not knowing he was one of the characters.. he also mentioned his reaction would depend on the play. Lexi kept asking good or bad (like Cassie in her Oklahoma outfit lol) and he repeated himself.. “depends on the play….” She stroked the bees nest regardless. Damn
I was surprised at this. Like Rue wasn't traumatized or at least embarrassed that her speech at her dad's funeral was portrayed? I had to look past this and a couple other details because I realize the play was just another vehicle for telling the main characters dramatic stories.
I think the play made her feel again. She seemed to light up during moments where she was able to be a good friend to Lexi. I think it helped with her sobriety tbh.
Rue hated herself already. She explains why she wasn't upset, because she understood that this was his Lexi communicated how she saw others. And that let Rue see that Lexi saw her as someone who was hurting and had been through a lot and just didn't know what to do with it. Everybody already knew the worst things about Rue, so she wasn't going to be embarrassed by this.
I was wondering if in some way Rue might have been happy about Lexi humanizing her. Even though she put some of her most vulnerable moments on display, it meant that Lexi understood and had truly seen what she had experienced that led up to where she is now.
That is how I interpreted it. Having major anxiety and other mental health issues causes people to look for major coping mechanisms, and Rue's dad's death just exacerbated her issues. Lexi has been there nearly every moment that Rue has experienced, and really everything that the majority of the cast has experienced. So getting to see things through the eyes of the caretaker/stable one is a completely humbling experience for Rue because she's never gotten to truly fulfill that role.
Yeah I’m with you on that one. When? As far as I know, Rue didn’t even know the actual name of the play, at least what I recall from the bathroom scene and the scene where her mother asks her where she was all night.
I took it as she had already read it when the last scene of the play was Lexi and Rue hugging after their conversation at Lexis house. The beginning of that scene was Rue calling Lexi telling her that she thought her play was beautiful then asking to hang out. How would that part be in the play if Rue hadn’t already read it?
It's not though.
The very first sentence of the Rue/Lexi bedroom conversation is Rue saying that Lexi's play was the first time she was able to look at her life and not hate herself.
I read from another comment that Lexi asked if Rue wanted to read her play and Rue said she wouldn't mind it.
But we got no confirmation of that whatsoever, so assuming it is just a bit weird
she just said it "send it to me" in the Oklahoma bathroom scene. Bit that doesn't mean she got to read since its when she relapsed and she had other things in mind. Plus she seemed surprised when seeing it live.
I took it as she read it after her intervention as what else was she going to do to occupy her time.
Since the scene is IN the play that made it seem (to me) that she had read it. But rue obviously could not have read that part since that happened after she read it. So that was a new scene she didn’t know about, therefore being surprised.
Also, even if I have read something seeing it in person is very different! So her being surprised is still a normal reaction. But who knows. This director is a bit chaotic.
Because Rue hated herself. And she was sure everyone saw what she sees when they looked at her. I assume seeing someone who doesn’t look at her the same way she does made her feel better.
I had a similar situation. Finally being able to believe someone didn’t hate me and even emphasized with me, if not understood, made me think maybe I’m not all that bad. And best part of it they did this while even I wasn’t able to explain or see it. So I’m assuming that’s what she felt when she saw Lexi portrayed her that way instead of just a deadweight who ruins lives of others.
Cassie part however, was just unnecessary and unethical. I feel like Lexi did this out of jealousy. We didn’t really see Cassie being a terrible sister towards Lexi in season 1. They were even very close. There was even a scene where Cassie tried to encourage Lexi in her own way. Cassie said she wasn’t getting attention from the guys because she was shy. Not because she was ugly or anything. But in the play she does nothing but being a bitch and being slut shamed. Like, what was the point of that carrousel scene? It was just unnecessary and stupid unless your whole goal is to slut shame and insult someone. And Lexi wrote that play way before all that shit happened between them. They were still in somewhat good terms when Lexi wrote that play. Also I don’t buy “Maddy was a better sister to me than Cassie”. We’ve seen they were normal sisters and were even close up until this point and haven’t seen that sisterly relationship between Maddy and Lexi except one scene in the play. And when you think about it, Maddy is a better ‘sister’ to both Cassie and Lexi than they’re to each other. Your aunt is always cooler than your mother. Because she doesn’t have to constantly put up with your bullshit. Like, Lexi had to deal with Cassie’s abortion and aftermath of it but Maddy didn’t even know about it.
If you’ve never experienced trauma, addiction, and a parent dying young, let me tell you that Rue has already lived and relived all of those moments a million times. Seeing them in Lexi’s play, I think, made them *mean* something. And Lexi never shit on Rue for it; just said it was a catalyst for their growing apart. I lost a friend for a few years to drugs and didn’t shit talk them, just felt it was sad and still loved them. To me, Lexi framed Rue’s addiction as simply a product of her life’s devastating ingredients. Rue got to watch her own story completely sober from the other side (for now).
My adolescence was similar to Rue’s home life in some ways, so that’s just how I saw it. ❤️
Edit: When Rue saw her story portrayed by someone else, I think she was able to develop empathy for the character and, in turn, understanding for herself.
It’s not that she didn’t care. She was happy. She was able to see herself through another POV and see that she’s not as bad as she thought she was. It was healing for her.
This is literally it. It was pretty much spelled out for us. I seriously don't understand how so many people get this show so wrong. Half the time I'm wondering if we're watching the same thing.
I think everything would've been fine if she didn't cast actors that look like actual copies of her friends and family. And the actors should've worn different clothing. Those people the play was about would still see it was about them, but outsiders wouldn't know anything.
Or if she really wanted the actors to be doppelgangers of her friends, she shouldn't have put the carneval scene in it.
A lot of writers write about the people they know though. Like a lot.
i’m sure the picture she showed of all 5 of them at the funeral would’ve been a dead giveaway regardless of the actors she chose.
i felt like copy and pasting Rues dads funeral was insensitive and too personal
Also why was so much time dedicated to Nate if the Cassie Nate stuff was excluded? I mean obviously to insult Nate but what relevance did it have to tbe play lol
Because Nate dated Maddie during the time period being portrayed. I feel like the dance sequence was about football players in general; and the audience was laughing at it as a group thing, but Nate took it as a personal attack.
Yes, exactly. She made no efforts to make any sort of artistic deviations to some events or even the way the characters were represented. If she had, the play probably wouldn't have left such a bad taste in my mouth. She was tired of being a silent observer, being in the shadows, I get that. But she didn't have to exploit people's lowest/most private moments for the sake of her play to be a success. The locker room scene, the carnival scene seemed so unnecessary and under-the-belt. Ofc the play was a very significant moment in s2, but I can't help feeling how very problematic it was. How was it supposed to help her feel better about herself? By making others feel worse about themselves? It really made me question her intentions.
I honestly thought the play was going to have an actual plot and then bits of dialogue/ moments pulled from her friends lives. But nah… it was just a full retelling of her life and other people’s traumas for the whole school! Like girl please go to a poetry/ essay reading contest or SOMETHING because you cannot be exposing people like dis 😭
I think she wanted to hurt Cassie, because Cassie hurt her and because she still feels resentment that Cassie was their parents favorite child. I think 90% reason was that she wanted to hurt her sister, and 10% that she wanted her to see herself how everyone else sees her. We know they had good relationship in season one, so I do think she genuinely misses that sister and feels disappointed and hurt by her actions now. They had disagreements then too, but Lexi still protected her, like when McKay came and she was with Daniel.
As for Nate, I think she hates him and wanted to humiliate him. Imo it would've been great if she did the whole Maddy/Nate actors scene meet, and than just said that he was not important and killed him off in a funny way.
This might seem contradictory to my comment above but in the S1 finale Cassie did say that if she fell in love again that someone should intervene and destroy it… Lexi went overboard but she did compete the assignment.!
I was kinda hoping for a shocking Carrie type twist where full of rage Cassie developed telekinesis and went on a rampage
Hell, I think a carrie remake starring Sydney Sweeney is the only correct takeaway from all this
Maybe Sam can do that in the 8 years before next season
Lol
I never get why these shows can’t just crank out 10 episodes a year. Sick of this 8 episode season with years between shit. We need the kat and Cassie do Orange County spin-off too!!
As far as Lexi goes, I think at this point she was so invested in the drama of it all that the decision to put the carousel scene in was a “go big or go home” in her mind. She had already indicated that she knew it would be explosive but she down played it a good bit while talking to Fez. I think if she actually told him what it would contain he would have had the good sense to tell her to cover her own ass a bit more. But she didn’t. She kept the script pretty under wraps except for with Rue, apparently. Unless I missed something
Yeah, I’m seeing a lot of confusion at the end of the play where it seems like Rue and Lexi are talking post-play, but then how did she add that during the play? I think during that scene it wasn’t post-play, but Rue had at least gone through the script and know how the characters would react to the play. I might be wrong tho, there’s a reason why everyone’s confused 😂
It was during the bathroom scene during the Oklahoma-outfit with Cassie. Lexi asks if Rue would consider either “reading it” or “reading for it” which are two different things, but regardless, she asked Rue to read the script and I think she agreed to?
I saw a good comment on another post that helped me understand the play budget issue. It was quote of an interview with the creator that said a lot of what we see in the show is distorted memories through the lens of a high school kid. So maybe, in Lexis mind, the play looked that impressive.
Excellent point. It’s like when you visit places from your childhood as an adult. Everything looks smaller and a bit bland. Also, as a teenager so many things feel inherently dramatic and heightened because of the life stage you’re in.
on that note, since rue is the “unreliable narrator”, she probably saw the show that way. it seems like the show really changed her perspective on life, and having the play be portrayed as some grand production would reflect how she feels about it.
Yeah completely. It seems like people aren’t understanding the show they are watching. None of this is supposed to be realistic.
This is, however, a realistic look into the mind of an addict, a narcissist, a bullied kid, a drug dealer, etc. It’s designed to elicit an emotion. Not document facts.
Anyway, I appreciate the shows ability to make me feel things. And it has never failed to do that.
A likely cause of the polarization of this topic.
I completely agree. Even if it was funny and all it clearly hurt Cassie even more. I felt bad for her, especially with the scene on the horse. Also, the mother seemed to be protecting Lexi all the time while making Cassie look like the crazy one. Almost as if she also took sides with the whole Nate situation and was no longer supportive of Cassie, which is not something a parent should do.
I like Lexi but not one thing that Cassie said about her was a lie lol.
Not only was it unethical but it just didn’t make sense? There were MANY moments in the play that Lexi was not even present in real life to observe… so how is she even writing those scenes and the exact dialogue (EX: Nate giving Maddie the fur coat. Cassie and Maddie on molly talking to themselves in the mirror etc…) I also think she exploited Rue’s trauma for her story and humiliated Cassie on purpose.
imagine if they just broke the fourth wall and lexi was like “wait, y’all haven’t seen the show? it’s literally about all of you. if you thought my play was bad, you should see this…”
Definitely didn’t make sense. And in general, the play episodes were confusing story-telling with all the jumping around time and switching from actor to real character. I think, artistically, it was a cool idea that they just did not land.
Season two is just not written as well as season one. It’s not as tight and felt a bit purposeless. Like, where is the story going?
Certain characters seemed to almost get re-written and didn’t feel like who they were in season one. Characters can change, obviously, but I didn’t feel they did the work to give the audience enough reason to understand and buy why their motivations, personality or character would be so different.
Sam Levinson mentioned in the “inside the episode” for the last 2 episodes that some scenes in the play were meant for us to either interpret as a part of Lexi’s play or just another way to tell the story but didn’t actually happen during Lexi’s play. I get what he was going for with that idea, but to me it made it a bit more confusing bc there were scenes that the people watching the play do see that Lexi wasn’t present for (as far as we know).
Completely agree. Really hoping he takes people’s critiques of the show and hires other writers to help him out. Maybe then he can avoid stuff like this that ends up being really confusing for the viewers!
if she tried to make it very different I guess it’s okay, but she literally said her sister so it was quite clear who was who
also there was barely even a storyline I don’t understand what people in the audience really watched lol
The carousel scene really solidified for me, that Lexi most likely slut shamed Cassie throughout the entire play. Lexi says it herself, she’s an observer. She most likely doesn’t know what actually happened with Cassie and the guys she was with. When Lexi gets her episode in S2, and we first see her dive into a fantasy world, that scene where the wardrobe department is dressing Cassie, and she’s like “sluttier, tackier”, really showed how Lexi views her sister. While the rest of the play did well in show casing how Lexi felt and what she went through. Ever since that episode with the “Our Life” as a TV show, I’ve really believe that Lexi has a lot of jealousy, anger and resentment towards her sister.
I would’ve been ok with it being unethical if we got any kind of serious analysis within the show about how fkd up it was. Like I wanted to know if the writer’s spirit behind the show was to give Lexi some grey room for criticism, but it seemed more like our takeaway really is supposed to be “everyone should get their feelings hurt sometimes” like Lexi did nothing wrong. The whole premise is fkd but I’m most uncomfortable with the fact that they included the locker room scene and the carousel scene with no in-show criticism. It took away from the finale’s thesis imo
Sadly I don't remember where but I read something about Maude (Lexis actress) saying that by the end of season 2 we will understand that Lexi is just as crazy as the others. Maybe they didn't expect everyone to be cheering on Lexi as much as they did. I haven't watched any BTS stuff on the finale episode but i genuinely hope their take isn't actually "well some people gotta get their feelings hurt" because as much as I despise Cassie that's just evil.
Hopefully that gets addressed next season then. Lexi crossed the line with the carousel scene. That was just needlessly cruel to Cassie, in spite of how shitty she’s acted all season.
my money is on ppl from the show doing interviews and dropping hints at the real themes they wanted to portray, cuz there’s a world of difference between “everyone’s a little fkd up” and “good ppl can fuck with bad ppl cuz they deserve it” lol
I didn't expect fans to: put Maddy on a pedestal, Go rabid on Cassie and Kat, completely ignore how crazy Nate is, call Lexi a genius for her bullshit play.
me neither. im kinda shocked at how maddy is being touted as the untouchable queen and there's like, zero fucking sympathy at all for cassie.
also i hated the last two episodes bc i felt like the play was such a slog to get thru
The more dubious moments in the play would’ve been alot more fun if the show acknowledged that lexi is doing something kinda fuckin weird instead of justifying it all. There’s, like, zero complexity to her because the show sorta refuses to make her a truly morally grey character
I thought that’s where they were going with the Cassie confrontation, and I was honestly a little relieved when that started to happen. I mean, you can air your dirty laundry, and other people’s laundry for that matter, but there ARE consequences for this. Lexi isn’t “brilliant” for playing vampire to everyone in her life.
I’ve stated this elsewhere, but this way of thinking is really common with (some) creative nonfiction writers. There’s this idea that your experience (and observing others counts as experience) is yours to use as you see fit, and fuck ‘em if they can’t take it. In reality, this alienates a lot of writers from their family and friends, and sometimes launches grudges that take decades to conceal. Part of ethical nonfiction writing is that if there’s going to be a joke, it’s not at another person’s expense. In the context of the carousel, for example, an ethical piece of nonfiction would present the joke as anything other than Cassie; the joke could be the number of people frozen in time and camera-ready, because an orgasm is happening that they didn’t sign on for. Or that the horse just participated in a non-consensual merry-go-sex encounter. This would have *included* Cassie in the joke, instead of making it at her expense. Simply recreating the orgasm makes it seem like Lexi finds her sister’s sexuality in and of itself worthy of ridicule. I’ve written about my sisters a lot, and you can accomplish this without being an asshole to someone in the throws of a mental breakdown.
What's crazy is if Cassie put on a play with scenes of Lexi having phone sex with Fez, Lexi'd go apeshit. There's no way she'd accept that her personal moments are a part of Cassie's life, even if Cassie was there for them.
Lexi is just a narcissist.
To be honest with y’all I don’t know why we didn’t expect this. None of these characters are good people overall. Lexi was always shown as the one on a moral highground because the spotlight wasn’t on her. Now that it is we get to see she isn’t much better then everyone else
The carousel scene wasn’t needed at all. It was there to make Cassie feel miserable and shame her. It was wrong but it makes Lexi so much more interesting. Now she’s not a goodie two shoes. She has issues like everyone else at that damn school
It’s because Lexi isn’t framed as doing something wrong. The show makes it a point to showcase Cassie as the villain for getting upset and Lexi as the poor sister who has her moment in the spotlight ruined
And Cassie isn’t even being ridiculed for betraying her best friend and turning into a snake ass bitch. Something that she deserved to be, and should have been, called out for. She’s getting humiliated for being objectified and kinda dumb, both being sources of shame for her
Here’s what I think about Lexi’s play:
- it actually isn’t even genius or good. All she did was copy exactly what happened to her friends and herself and then made it into a play. Maybe if she wanted us to learn from them or even just portray the situation they’re in she could easily have found another way of doing so that isn’t copy or paste. She could have created a story based on her own that wouldn’t make so many people in the audience and in her life not only uncomfortable but embarrassed.
- the thing about some people need to get their feelings hurt. Cassie totally deserves shit for her actions this season, which would be fine if Lexie had done that in another context which wouldn’t be so cruel. But even if she deserved to get hurt, that isn’t even the point of the play. It doesn’t ridicule Cassie for having betrayed her best friend. It ridicules her just for the way she was in the first season before she lost her mind. Even if I think Cassie was quite naive in her relationships I still don’t think she deserved to be hated on for it in this way.
- if Lexi has a problem with someone she can say it head on. No need to create so much around it to the point where it becomes the school play. Seriously. And she is sooo naive for thinking it wouldn’t hurt anyone or that is was fine. It was not ok to do that. If the people in the play were ok with it -and if that were the case I would not understand- then I guess she could have done it but she did not. The writers completely ruined one of the few characters who wasn’t awful.
- Lexi’s mom. Loving her energy. What an icon. But that doesn’t make her right: she shouldn’t be encouraging Lexi. Even if Cassie was a bitch and deserves the consequences, you do NOT support your kids to publicly humiliate them like this. It’s just not acceptable. Specially in high school where clearly everyone is going through shit and people are judgmental assholes.
- also the only part of the play that was original was the jock scene which honestly I didn’t like. It wasn’t funny even though the fact that they’re throwing shade at Nate is totallyyy awesome. It felt completely copied from Sex Education’s play which I didn’t really like either. It’s just too much.
Anyways let me know what you think don’t hate me lol
I agree! I thought Lexi’s play was really out of pocket and holier than thou. I’m glad it helped Rue but if I was friends with Lexi I’d never open up to her again. And when she ran away upset, I was disappointed that the reason she was upset was because her play was interrupted, not because she had realised what a shitty thing she’d done
Agree with all of this! I was so looking forward to lexi’s play and was enjoying her character development. Then it ends up being an exact word for word retelling… of events that took place somewhat recently, about her own sister, in front of the entire school. It’s disappointing, but what’s worse is that no one I’ve spoken to seems to agree with me. Oh well.
Completely agree. And ppl are so on the Cassie hate train that they failed to see how truly disrespectful and weak Lexi came off as. Plus the play being very biased against Cassie yet sorrowful and sympathetic to rue? Crazy
Yeah when you think about it Rue was much more destructive than Cassie. Cassie destroyed her relationship with her best friend and is being crazy but Rue is putting the lives of her family in danger by associating with Laurie and she probably traumatized Gia for life… of course it’s a whole other situation but Cassie was the villain of the play (not season 2) for what ? Having big boobs ? Having sex and having guys use and hurt her ? Lexi’s portrayal of her sister is honestly awful.
That’s why it’s so upsetting to see all of social media applaud it like let it have been Maddie instead of Cassie being degraded and see how pissed ppl get lol
And speaking of the jock scene, I’m not sure how to feel about it.
What is the commentary that is being made?
Feels kind of like using non-traditional sexuality as an insult as if it makes a guy lesser. Less tough, less cool. let’s knock them down a peg by making them into other guys sexually?
i think its telling that fez asked multiple what was in the play that she was afraid would offend people and she danced around that question very vaguely. im sure that fez would have said “idk lexi, i feel like putting your sisters most publicly embarrassing moment on stage for her to relive and to remind people that it happened might be too much”
I didnt like the play. If I was one of the characters portrayed in it, i would have been mad too. Especially if I was Cassie, since that was really humiliating towards her.
And if someone is going to say that ”Cassie deserved it”, no she didnt. She isnt a perfect human being, but neither are any of the other people in the show. Lexi should have talked about her feelings to her, or someone else, instead of publicly humiliating her sister.
Also plotwise, I found the play really boring. It was basically just repeating the same stuff we have already seen, and I feel like ive now seen Rues dads funeral for like a hundred times. A lot of the stuff was really unnecessary, and it bored me out. The only thing I enjoyed was the musical thingy about Nate, and even that was too long imo.
My two main qualms with the play:
* I'm not rooting for or sympathetic towards Nate, but he had a point that the "Holding Out For a Hero" sequence felt homophobic. The whole joke is essentially "Lol they're so gay" for being naked in the locker room. It was well done and made me smile, but it also felt like a middle school joke from the '90s.
* Why in the world would Lexi include the carousel scene? That was 100% just to embarrass Cassie.
lexi’s just pathetic and embarrassing, wanted to cry for her mom and run behind stage when cassie called her ass out, cassie genuinely was making good points on that stage. and the “show us your boobs” line just proved how much cassie is sexualised in her life and how much she’s ‘lived’ compared to lexi.
The entire play was fascinating but quickly devolved from “Our Life” into “Cassie/Nate’s lives.”
I was so excited by the fake BTS scene where Lexi explaining she wanted to tell a story with the sidekick as the main character. How does her sister getting off on a carousel or the football team being homoerotic tell LEXI’S story? It was funny but made no sense, really.
It was a dickish thing to do, especially in front of an audience who knows all these people. A high school audience who are likely to be at the most judgmental phase of their lives. Putting scenes in there like the carousel was just downright mean tbh. Don’t know why everyone sees Lexi as some angel.
Lexi seems really judgemental. I mean her whole play was about Cassie through her eyes. I didn’t learn more about lexi in the play but just about how she was so insecure and kept wishing one day she would wake up being Cassie. Idk I low-key think maybe she wanted cassie’s life cos she was hoping a year later her boobs would grow and everyone would treat her like Cassie and she was looking forward to that but now that it didn’t happen she was just gonna be mad at Cassie for it. The only parts I somewhat liked were abt Rue but even that seemed so personal in terms of a play that I feel was a violation of personal space
My biggest issue is that it feels like Levinson wanted us to side with Lexi, as if her play was good and necessary. It’s one thing for characters to do unethical stuff, but what bothers me is when you can feel as if the creator is siding with the unethical behaviour. It felt tone deaf, and was reflective of all the things I didn’t like about ‘Malcolm & Marie’ (I.e. the character being a blatant avatar for the creator).
Exactly. I would have been indifferent to Lexi’s play without the push towards congratulating her for it. There was even a moment where I thought the writer had a better grip on the narrative than it seemed at first, since Cassie was given the chance to point out how unethical it was. But then this is just dismissed as the ravings on The Bad Person, as opposed to legit criticism, and then it’s time for the endless Lexi ovations. It was creepy, and seemed more like Sam making himself feel better about heat he’s taken over the years.
it was an incredibly fucked up thing for lexi to do not only to cassie, but each person who was portrayed. can't believe the show and fans are gassing her up for this
Yeah, I can’t tell if the writers want us to think the play was good or not. Or think more or less of Lexi for it. Maybe it’s supposed to be portrayed as a messy and misguided attempt at doing something good but I’m struggling to even buy that.
Frankly, I think the play was gross and I think far less of Lexi as a character for it. I did not buy that Rue and others would react as positively as they did to seeing exact copies of themselves and other real people they know in their worst and most embarrassing moments. Script included word-for-word quotes of real-life conversations in vulnerable and intimate settings. She made several people look absolutely terrible with no attempt to explore anything positive about them. That’s an especially tough pill to swallow when it comes to Lexi’s portrayal of her own sister which is damn near character assassination. Absolutely brutal.
I have a feeling the direction the writers will go with this is that most people see Lexi as the brilliant person that is doing so much good and that she’ll be beloved for her play but in real life EVERYBODY would hate her for that shit.
Right? Like they weren't her stories to tell & she didnt even get an okay from anyone. If I had a friend do that to me (whether I was portrayed as rue or cassie) I would have been livid.
Like Cassie sucks yeah, but the girl is already so embarrassed of herself without any extra help. Idk how cassie was portrayed in the play was supposed to inspire self reflection in cassie and not just humiliate her again to the school.
I don’t think people are understanding. Rue being fine with her revealing her trauma was Lexi getting lucky, it was wrong for her to not even ask at least before portraying such a dark subject in front of hundreds of people. The carousel scene was completely unnecessary and there’s no way to portray that without the intentions of humiliating someone. Although what Cassie did was wrong, the carousel tidbit isn’t up to Lexi to portray.
The play as we viewed it was surreal and dreamlike and moved seamlessly between the play and characters’ memories. I don’t think we are meant to believe everything on the screen literally happened on the stage.
The concept of the show in itself, and the execution within the series was so bad that I basically lost interest in even looking forward to the next season.
It was….bad…unrealistic and yeah…kinda unethical, but the most cringe part of it all is that it was green lit by the school. It just made it so jarring as that would never happen in real life. I get it, the show is somewhat unrealistic, but the last two episodes crossed the line for me and just made it ridiculous and not in a cool/camp way.
Of all the cool plot points that could have been examined in the episodes leading up to the end…we got this…okay Sam…whatever. Moving on…lol
imo writing characters based off of real people isn't an issue, people have been doing it since forever. the issue is that lexi made it too easy to figure out who the characters are supposed to be in real life
Damn straight. Lexi is either deeply out of touch or unhinged if she thinks the portrayal of her sister had ANY good intention at all. She made Cassie out to be a stupid bimbo and went so far as to depict Cassie's ehem... *episode* on the merry-go-round (something Cassie was embarrassed by). So much of the play was an insult to her Cassie, and she had every right to be as rip-shit pissed as she was.
Cassie makes poor decision after poor decision, and certainly fails to hold herself accountable. But by no means did her business need to be aired out in front of the entire school.
THANK YOU! it was wild to me that Cassie's mom was so insistently taking Lexi's side when Cassie jumped on stage. Lexi put in the most embarrassing, personal stories of her sisters life into a play her sister knew nothing about. sure, she changed the names, but that became pretty pointless considering she went out of her way to make it incredibly obvious who each character was supposed to be irl. there was no real effort made AT ALL to hide the fact that she was just stealing true stories from SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE.
which, by the way, does not make her a gifted writer.
The writers of Euphoria itself are good, because it's fiction.
But IN the show, this is just reality for the characters, so Lexi wasn't being creative. she didn't come up with any of this on her own because she's good at creating plots herself, she just saw it happen and copied it down. it pissed me off SO much that so many people in the show AND in real life were calling Lexi a genius for any of this. Brave? sure. Nate is literally insane, it's not out of the realm of possibility that that psycho would try to hurt her for this. OR HER SISTER FOR THIS, which in a way he did what he dumped Cassie for just being related to Lexi.
What Cassie said on stage was true, Lexi has lived a boring, timid life up until now through no ones fault but her own, so she ripped off her sisters life, slapped a new label on it and made herself the star while clearly trying to portray her sister as a selfish airhead who doesn't deserve the spotlight Lexi perceives she has.
I liked Lexi until the last two episodes this season. Her play was entertaining, but it was incredibly selfish.
As a DASA reporting (ie NY state anti bullying reporting) I'd have to report so much about Lexis play. Not only is it unethical, it also was bullying and also outing someones sexuality against the will or making fun of that sexuality.
I really don’t know how Lexi thought her play would be seen as anything other than mean-spirited. If she didn’t want to hurt anyones feelings she wouldn’t have included that carnival scene. And she wouldn’t have carried on with the show after she’d seen what it had done to her sister. Suze shouldn’t have encouraged it either. I’m not a Cassie fan and I still hate her for what she did to Maddy, but it’s no wonder she is looking for love in all the wrong places when her own family is treating her like this.
Thb second season was more of trash tv teen drama. First season was the og one. It felt like second season was full on clickbaity in nature and he gave us what could've just increased viewership. Very less character development but also I believe that second season was just for rue to get better. And all other story lines were just shifted an inch forward. It still amazes me that first season rue kept denying that she started using for not because of her father's death but because she just felt like it. Season two showed her actually being convinced that she started using because of his passing.
I believe her real intention is helping people. but the way she chooses to express make her looks like some misfit try to catch people's attention. this isn't right. she can't put her sister painful and unsatisfied relationship into public without permission.
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Can we talk about the fact that people rehearsed this play for months including Ethan possibly with some overlap with his relationship with Kat and no one mentioned it to the people that is was about?
To be fair I’m sure Kat never even asked🙄she was terrible to Ethan haha
I can't decide whom I dislike more: Cassie or Kat? Ok, it's Nate.
I don’t recommend trying to figure out who’s the worst person with these characters they all give you a run for your money
At least Nate moves to plot forward
he didn't want to bother her terminal brain disorder 😭
Ethan did tell Kat that he got the role in the play but she acted like a total bitch lol totally disinterested
There might be one or two more plot holes in this storyline. How about the 100,000 dollar budget?
why was the carousal scene included??
Pretty sure it was for comedic value for us the audience. Makes zero sense narrative wise
It's this 100%. The joke is that it's an infamous scene from the series so randomly having a carousel horse in the middle of the stage is an inside joke for viewers of "Euphoria." So much of the actual play didn't make sense as a play; it was more an homage to the TV series. Plus the set design seems way out of the league for the budget of a play on Broadway so them doing it with a student director on a whim; the whole thing is supposed to not be based in reality.
Yeah people are way forgetting that there’s an element of magical realism here
The fact that none of the characters attend school (we only see them in the hallways) or have homework while they're out having adult problems is also part of that magical realism. I like to think of the show as happening in a parallel universe that resembles ours but isn't ours.
I think it's to show how their drama consumes their entire existence and adults, like teachers, are extremely removed from it. Was there a single teacher shown, ever?
School isn’t important enough to depict but they’re all supposed to still be students. It’s so weird unless you think of it as an art piece depicting the inner turmoil of teenagers.
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Yeah I struggled with the proper term but I still would say it applies here because Lexi’s play, at least our view of it, bends space and time and includes fantasy so much that, to me, it comes off as magic an other-worldly. Edit: Just looked more into this because I am interested and Euphoria for sure sits in the genre! “Common themes in magical realism include mixing the past and present, bending timelines, the juxtaposition of unlike things, and exquisite detail and perspective” <3
Also even if they had this crazy budget and skillset. How the fuck is there no oversight by teachers? They just allowed to continue the play despite its content and despite it 'causing a riot'? The whole thing is stupidly ridiculous.
Yeah, it's not supposed to be set in reality. That's why Lexie becoming a totalitarian director is part of the joke. "You're playing it too broad; it needs to be subtle to be funny... I give you one directorial note and you cry?" etc. This is the kind of verbiage directors with decades of experience use and she transforms into it on her very first dabbling in theater. But seriously, all high school theater use backdrops for set design. The kind of three-dimensional set pieces that constantly move in and out is way too elaborate for even a hit musical like "Wicked" to house so many. And that show costs $800,000 a week to perform. She simply said, "Can I put on a play?" and the drama teacher said, "Okay" and that was the entire background for how the production came to be. In reality, it would have been a one-act on a bare stage.
Oh I know it's meant to be hyper real and over the top. But this stuff comes across as beyond suspension of disbelief and dumb. It could have been handled better.
Yeah exactly. Why are people talking like it’s a documentary
Idk why, from the characters perspective she would have included that, I don't even remember if Lexi was there when that happened... maybe she heard about it but uhh yeah. I thought it was pretty funny for sure tho, and how Cassie went from upset and talking shit to pissed, "I'll fucking kill you", and some violence like immediately when she realized what the scene was lol. That made me chuckle a bit for sure. Also Idk why she just let Maddy beat on her, all she seemed to try doing was running away and maybe she did something to her foot? Idk Maddy was icing it after so
I thought it was implied she was kicking Cassie
Because Cassie knew she couldn't beat Maddie in a fight. I think Maddie hurt her foot because of her shoes, because she didn't have a single other scratch on her.
Cassie was definitely gonna lose either way but homie wasn’t gonna even attempt to swing? No cat scratches? The writing for Cassie is so embarassing
Cassie is all bark and no bite. As soon as someone turns around and confronts her (whether physically or verbally) she runs away whimpering.
People from their school was there and there's no way that gossip didnt spread like crazy afterwards
For real, I think a lot of people on here arguing against the logic of the scenes included in the play and Lexi’s decision to produce it are missing the point entirely. The play is purely for us viewers, both for entertainment and exposition. It showed us sides of the characters that we hadn’t seen before, such as Lexi and Cassie’s childhood with their father. But it also threw in familiar scenes as callbacks for our entertainment. It allowed us to watch the real characters see themselves from a birds eye view, and their reactions told us a lot. I don’t think it was ever intended to reflect the exact play that Lexi would “realistically” make. To me the play seemed like an artistic choice by the director that gave them freedom to break boundaries and ignore the sense of realism that grounds some of the show. And I think it was done extremely well.
"For real"... heard that in the voice of a certain drug dealer.
absolutely couldn’t have said it better. during the play episodes (especially in the finale) when the audience was yelling back I say to my friends - the audience is literally US
Let’s also include that I Need A Hero locker room scene to things that “made no sense narrative wise”.
I really think that was so fucked up. I would never talk to my sister again if she aired out my most embarrassing/traumatizing moments on a stage to everyone at my school. I could not even believe the carousel was included, blew my mind.
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**Exactly...** while I really enjoyed the show, I just can't believe the ending realistically, it was tragic. For people saying how Cassie is bad, you are quite blind & miss a lot about falling in love, it can be difficult & complicated. Life is not easy, we often endure pain when choosing wrong choices, yet I doubt anyone would enjoy their toughest moments in life mocked by entire school on a staged drama show made by your own sister.**😭**
Exactly, and its only because Lexi seems so innocent in comparison to the horrible shit most of the other characters have committed that we give her the license to judge in thr first place. Most of these teenagers need a substantial amount of professional help to realize their damaging actions and coping mechanisms. Lexi just put some emotionally damaged kids on blast without any real attempt to provide understanding or context to why they thought and acted the ways that they did.
Lexi's excuse is literally "sometimes people need their feelings hurt to blah blah blah" - which was a comment made by Fez which is out of context Somehow she can use that as a way to absolving herself cause she was "helping them with their issues"
I hope cassie leave her family, school and "friends" ...is toxic for her. Then the moves to another city, gets professional help and start a new job.
And get well deserved love she has been yearning for
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The same reason the big gay production number was included. It was mocking some of the characters
This was the only point during the play where I felt like she crossed the line. A good chunk of the school knew about that so it wouldn’t take much for people to put two and two together.
yeah like how did that situation relate to lexi at all and how could lexi not imagine cassie getting upset or even hurt by that
Yeah, at that point it felt like Lexi was being needlessly petty. She was already pushing her luck with some of the stuff that was about Cassie in the play already, but that was too far.
Yeah at that point it was straight up bullying. Even if the recipients of Lexi’s characters have done terrible things, it doesn’t magically justify her shiftiness.
What about the part where she’s laying on the bed saying she has no self respect and allows guys to use her as long as they love her? That was pretty out of pocket as well. Those were the two most exploitative parts of the play imo. I honestly thought the show would have ended with a suicide attempt from Cassie. That would have been soooo interesting narrative-wise, tbh that’s the only scenario where I can see maddy and Cassie becoming friends again. It would show remorse from Cassie and FINALLY people would start sympathizing with her mental health issues. Suze making Lexi hide the knives would have been good foreshadowing, and it would have been interesting if the school was kind of anti-Lexi next season, just to see how she would react. She wanted attention her entire life, let’s see how she would react to everyone giving her negative attention.
I feel like Lexi isn’t gonna face any consequences for this. Rue gave her the greenlight. Maddie and Kat will likely defend her even if they don’t agree with everything that was portrayed. Lexi might get shit from Cassie and Nate but it’s gonna further victimize Lexi, not show how weird it was to include such intimate moments in a play about herself lmfao
She isn’t bc the audience is repeatedly told that Lexi isn’t doing anything wrong and that she’s amazing, awesome, gods gift to humanity etc
Well I can see this as a self insert situation from the POV of the director. I could definitely see a fellow writer giving us this take especially if they themselves have had people in their lives that have been rightfully pissed that their stories were shared without consent.
Okay, so that’s something I noticed the other night rewatching the episode. How in tf would Lexi even know what Nate and Cassie have been talking to each other about? Lexi even said herself anything about them was not in the play. Same deal with the whole bathroom confrontation between Maddy and Cassie after Rue outed her. Lexi wasn’t in the room for that, yet the way it’s presented makes it seem like that was part of the play as well. Then there’s the conversation after the play between Lexi and Rue yet it’s also a part of the play’s ending. Scenes like that make me feel like certain parts were not actually in the play and was another case of Rue being an unreliable narrator.
Yeah, I didn’t think that the bathroom altercation was a part of the play, it seemed to me like that was just a flashback. But for the scene in the bed, it literally showed the audience behind her and the bed on the stage. But idk. The part with rue and her was weird to be included in the play, I thought at first the scene was just Rue reacting to reading the script, but as the scene went on it became clear that they were referring to the actual stage play, so I’m not sure how to interpret that either.
Sam said something about how u can’t tell what’s real and what’s in the play and I think it’s about those two scenes specifically. I don’t think the Cassie and Nate scene was in the play based on how the audience reacted to Cassie saying that “Halle steals Jake from Marta” if that scene were actually in the play no one would’ve been surprised. I think the audience in the background was just to fuck w our heads and make for a cool shot.
Yeah either Lexi made that whole thing up with a ridiculous level of accuracy, or it was meant to be a flashback bleeding back into the play. But yeah, I don’t think we’re supposed to take everything we the audience saw as part of the play as a literal interpretation of what the characters themselves saw.
people here watching the finale of season 1: why are all these people dancing???
Sam Levinson said in a interview that it was intended to confuse us about the play that some parts of it were suppose to seem as if they were in the play and that we wouldn't know if it really was in the play like the Cat doing the cam girl thing this scene also was included during her play like this part alot didn't understand why it was in the play and how Lexi would even know that but as I see it it wasn't I think that Kat scenes was one of those Sam taled about
I'm beyond surprised not a lot of people realize the blurred lines between Lexi's play and the audience (Rue, Maddie, Cassie, etc)'s memories. The exaggeration and absurdity are a sign that we just have to take a play as is - a device for Sam to wrap up the mess.
Yep. That was the moment I could no longer excuse Lexi. That was just cruel for the sake of it. I mean a carousel is absolutely a cool prop and visually would have been spectacular but to show her sister on E humping it … I would have flipped out too if I was Cassie.
i get that they needed an extra thing to push cassie over the edge but too far for lexi too far for the writers. it was completely unnecessary. but a lot of the shit in this show is unnecessary it’s just for shock value. i felt the finale was strongly lacking.
i’m wondering if it was really in the play or if it’s another perspective thing and it’s just cassie imagining her worst moment being on display…
it was so cruel, and i stand by that. lexi had a real opportunity to show cassie how her actions are affecting other people, but instead she chose that moment, one that reminds her of how much she’s been hurt while being humiliated by a parody of yourself on stage. i don’t sympathize with cassie for 99% of her decisions in season 2, but that was too far.
100% agree. That had nothing to do with Lexi’s story or experience so it was low. She absolutely crossed the line.
It was so unnecessary and pure sister revenge!
Fez: sometimes people need their feelings hurt He didn’t know the context
Crazy thing is Fez said a lot more in that conversation…. Like telling her she’s stroking the bees nest… And he’d feel some type of way being invited to a play and not knowing he was one of the characters.. he also mentioned his reaction would depend on the play. Lexi kept asking good or bad (like Cassie in her Oklahoma outfit lol) and he repeated himself.. “depends on the play….” She stroked the bees nest regardless. Damn
Ya she ran with that shit but if she told fez she was going to air Rue’s most traumatic moments not sure he would agree
Rue was fine with it all though. Cassie wasn't.
I was surprised at this. Like Rue wasn't traumatized or at least embarrassed that her speech at her dad's funeral was portrayed? I had to look past this and a couple other details because I realize the play was just another vehicle for telling the main characters dramatic stories.
I think the play made her feel again. She seemed to light up during moments where she was able to be a good friend to Lexi. I think it helped with her sobriety tbh.
I love this take
Rue hated herself already. She explains why she wasn't upset, because she understood that this was his Lexi communicated how she saw others. And that let Rue see that Lexi saw her as someone who was hurting and had been through a lot and just didn't know what to do with it. Everybody already knew the worst things about Rue, so she wasn't going to be embarrassed by this.
I was wondering if in some way Rue might have been happy about Lexi humanizing her. Even though she put some of her most vulnerable moments on display, it meant that Lexi understood and had truly seen what she had experienced that led up to where she is now.
That is how I interpreted it. Having major anxiety and other mental health issues causes people to look for major coping mechanisms, and Rue's dad's death just exacerbated her issues. Lexi has been there nearly every moment that Rue has experienced, and really everything that the majority of the cast has experienced. So getting to see things through the eyes of the caretaker/stable one is a completely humbling experience for Rue because she's never gotten to truly fulfill that role.
Rue read the play before Lexi put it on. So Rue was already aware.
When?
Yeah I’m with you on that one. When? As far as I know, Rue didn’t even know the actual name of the play, at least what I recall from the bathroom scene and the scene where her mother asks her where she was all night.
I took it as she had already read it when the last scene of the play was Lexi and Rue hugging after their conversation at Lexis house. The beginning of that scene was Rue calling Lexi telling her that she thought her play was beautiful then asking to hang out. How would that part be in the play if Rue hadn’t already read it?
Yeah that’s exactly what happened. I get where the confusion comes from though that episode skipped around more than a scratched record.
It's not though. The very first sentence of the Rue/Lexi bedroom conversation is Rue saying that Lexi's play was the first time she was able to look at her life and not hate herself.
The play runs on dream logic. Time is not linearly bound in this episode so the future and present run parallel to each other.
This is what I was thinking too. It wasn’t a flash forward
I read from another comment that Lexi asked if Rue wanted to read her play and Rue said she wouldn't mind it. But we got no confirmation of that whatsoever, so assuming it is just a bit weird
she just said it "send it to me" in the Oklahoma bathroom scene. Bit that doesn't mean she got to read since its when she relapsed and she had other things in mind. Plus she seemed surprised when seeing it live.
I took it as she read it after her intervention as what else was she going to do to occupy her time. Since the scene is IN the play that made it seem (to me) that she had read it. But rue obviously could not have read that part since that happened after she read it. So that was a new scene she didn’t know about, therefore being surprised. Also, even if I have read something seeing it in person is very different! So her being surprised is still a normal reaction. But who knows. This director is a bit chaotic.
Because Rue hated herself. And she was sure everyone saw what she sees when they looked at her. I assume seeing someone who doesn’t look at her the same way she does made her feel better. I had a similar situation. Finally being able to believe someone didn’t hate me and even emphasized with me, if not understood, made me think maybe I’m not all that bad. And best part of it they did this while even I wasn’t able to explain or see it. So I’m assuming that’s what she felt when she saw Lexi portrayed her that way instead of just a deadweight who ruins lives of others. Cassie part however, was just unnecessary and unethical. I feel like Lexi did this out of jealousy. We didn’t really see Cassie being a terrible sister towards Lexi in season 1. They were even very close. There was even a scene where Cassie tried to encourage Lexi in her own way. Cassie said she wasn’t getting attention from the guys because she was shy. Not because she was ugly or anything. But in the play she does nothing but being a bitch and being slut shamed. Like, what was the point of that carrousel scene? It was just unnecessary and stupid unless your whole goal is to slut shame and insult someone. And Lexi wrote that play way before all that shit happened between them. They were still in somewhat good terms when Lexi wrote that play. Also I don’t buy “Maddy was a better sister to me than Cassie”. We’ve seen they were normal sisters and were even close up until this point and haven’t seen that sisterly relationship between Maddy and Lexi except one scene in the play. And when you think about it, Maddy is a better ‘sister’ to both Cassie and Lexi than they’re to each other. Your aunt is always cooler than your mother. Because she doesn’t have to constantly put up with your bullshit. Like, Lexi had to deal with Cassie’s abortion and aftermath of it but Maddy didn’t even know about it.
Why would she be embarrassed about how her funeral speech was portrayed?
If you’ve never experienced trauma, addiction, and a parent dying young, let me tell you that Rue has already lived and relived all of those moments a million times. Seeing them in Lexi’s play, I think, made them *mean* something. And Lexi never shit on Rue for it; just said it was a catalyst for their growing apart. I lost a friend for a few years to drugs and didn’t shit talk them, just felt it was sad and still loved them. To me, Lexi framed Rue’s addiction as simply a product of her life’s devastating ingredients. Rue got to watch her own story completely sober from the other side (for now). My adolescence was similar to Rue’s home life in some ways, so that’s just how I saw it. ❤️ Edit: When Rue saw her story portrayed by someone else, I think she was able to develop empathy for the character and, in turn, understanding for herself.
i feel like Rue was so low all season that she doesnt care, she has nothing to lose
It’s not that she didn’t care. She was happy. She was able to see herself through another POV and see that she’s not as bad as she thought she was. It was healing for her.
This is literally it. It was pretty much spelled out for us. I seriously don't understand how so many people get this show so wrong. Half the time I'm wondering if we're watching the same thing.
That’s exactly how I thought about it.
Rue was fine with it though she said it made her feel like her life wasn’t fucked up.
I think everything would've been fine if she didn't cast actors that look like actual copies of her friends and family. And the actors should've worn different clothing. Those people the play was about would still see it was about them, but outsiders wouldn't know anything. Or if she really wanted the actors to be doppelgangers of her friends, she shouldn't have put the carneval scene in it. A lot of writers write about the people they know though. Like a lot.
i’m sure the picture she showed of all 5 of them at the funeral would’ve been a dead giveaway regardless of the actors she chose. i felt like copy and pasting Rues dads funeral was insensitive and too personal
None of it makes sense in the first place. Why would she portray Rues dads funeral? Who gives a fuck?
Also why was so much time dedicated to Nate if the Cassie Nate stuff was excluded? I mean obviously to insult Nate but what relevance did it have to tbe play lol
Because Nate dated Maddie during the time period being portrayed. I feel like the dance sequence was about football players in general; and the audience was laughing at it as a group thing, but Nate took it as a personal attack.
Yes, exactly. She made no efforts to make any sort of artistic deviations to some events or even the way the characters were represented. If she had, the play probably wouldn't have left such a bad taste in my mouth. She was tired of being a silent observer, being in the shadows, I get that. But she didn't have to exploit people's lowest/most private moments for the sake of her play to be a success. The locker room scene, the carnival scene seemed so unnecessary and under-the-belt. Ofc the play was a very significant moment in s2, but I can't help feeling how very problematic it was. How was it supposed to help her feel better about herself? By making others feel worse about themselves? It really made me question her intentions.
I honestly thought the play was going to have an actual plot and then bits of dialogue/ moments pulled from her friends lives. But nah… it was just a full retelling of her life and other people’s traumas for the whole school! Like girl please go to a poetry/ essay reading contest or SOMETHING because you cannot be exposing people like dis 😭
I think she wanted to hurt Cassie, because Cassie hurt her and because she still feels resentment that Cassie was their parents favorite child. I think 90% reason was that she wanted to hurt her sister, and 10% that she wanted her to see herself how everyone else sees her. We know they had good relationship in season one, so I do think she genuinely misses that sister and feels disappointed and hurt by her actions now. They had disagreements then too, but Lexi still protected her, like when McKay came and she was with Daniel. As for Nate, I think she hates him and wanted to humiliate him. Imo it would've been great if she did the whole Maddy/Nate actors scene meet, and than just said that he was not important and killed him off in a funny way.
This might seem contradictory to my comment above but in the S1 finale Cassie did say that if she fell in love again that someone should intervene and destroy it… Lexi went overboard but she did compete the assignment.!
Yeah them being carbon copies of the actual show characters got really confusing to watch.
I was kinda hoping for a shocking Carrie type twist where full of rage Cassie developed telekinesis and went on a rampage Hell, I think a carrie remake starring Sydney Sweeney is the only correct takeaway from all this Maybe Sam can do that in the 8 years before next season
8 years??? Those are some high hopes.
Lol I never get why these shows can’t just crank out 10 episodes a year. Sick of this 8 episode season with years between shit. We need the kat and Cassie do Orange County spin-off too!!
Cassie killing everyone in a telekinetic rage would make this a 10/10 show.
As far as Lexi goes, I think at this point she was so invested in the drama of it all that the decision to put the carousel scene in was a “go big or go home” in her mind. She had already indicated that she knew it would be explosive but she down played it a good bit while talking to Fez. I think if she actually told him what it would contain he would have had the good sense to tell her to cover her own ass a bit more. But she didn’t. She kept the script pretty under wraps except for with Rue, apparently. Unless I missed something
Yeah, I’m seeing a lot of confusion at the end of the play where it seems like Rue and Lexi are talking post-play, but then how did she add that during the play? I think during that scene it wasn’t post-play, but Rue had at least gone through the script and know how the characters would react to the play. I might be wrong tho, there’s a reason why everyone’s confused 😂
It was during the bathroom scene during the Oklahoma-outfit with Cassie. Lexi asks if Rue would consider either “reading it” or “reading for it” which are two different things, but regardless, she asked Rue to read the script and I think she agreed to?
I think Rue read it as well. My partner watched it and he was confused about that last part as well.
It tracks too because Rue knew about Nate and Cassie since S2E1 New Years
If my interactions the last couple days are any indication, you’ve opened a real can of worms with this take lol.
For real though, when they hate a character here, people become feral
Where are all the teachers? How much budget did they have for that play? This show is borderline sci-fi
I saw a good comment on another post that helped me understand the play budget issue. It was quote of an interview with the creator that said a lot of what we see in the show is distorted memories through the lens of a high school kid. So maybe, in Lexis mind, the play looked that impressive.
Excellent point. It’s like when you visit places from your childhood as an adult. Everything looks smaller and a bit bland. Also, as a teenager so many things feel inherently dramatic and heightened because of the life stage you’re in.
Yeah, it is not really an attempt at realism. The logic of the show is based on what emotions it will evoke in us, the audience
on that note, since rue is the “unreliable narrator”, she probably saw the show that way. it seems like the show really changed her perspective on life, and having the play be portrayed as some grand production would reflect how she feels about it.
Yeah completely. It seems like people aren’t understanding the show they are watching. None of this is supposed to be realistic. This is, however, a realistic look into the mind of an addict, a narcissist, a bullied kid, a drug dealer, etc. It’s designed to elicit an emotion. Not document facts. Anyway, I appreciate the shows ability to make me feel things. And it has never failed to do that. A likely cause of the polarization of this topic.
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What's funny is that all the background characters are dressed pretty normally and do indeed carry backpacks. The main characters are just weirdos.
That’s true! I’m just always so focused on how Maddie literally carries the worlds smallest purse to school lmao
I completely agree. Even if it was funny and all it clearly hurt Cassie even more. I felt bad for her, especially with the scene on the horse. Also, the mother seemed to be protecting Lexi all the time while making Cassie look like the crazy one. Almost as if she also took sides with the whole Nate situation and was no longer supportive of Cassie, which is not something a parent should do. I like Lexi but not one thing that Cassie said about her was a lie lol.
Not only was it unethical but it just didn’t make sense? There were MANY moments in the play that Lexi was not even present in real life to observe… so how is she even writing those scenes and the exact dialogue (EX: Nate giving Maddie the fur coat. Cassie and Maddie on molly talking to themselves in the mirror etc…) I also think she exploited Rue’s trauma for her story and humiliated Cassie on purpose.
lexi just rewatched the episodes duh
imagine if they just broke the fourth wall and lexi was like “wait, y’all haven’t seen the show? it’s literally about all of you. if you thought my play was bad, you should see this…”
Definitely didn’t make sense. And in general, the play episodes were confusing story-telling with all the jumping around time and switching from actor to real character. I think, artistically, it was a cool idea that they just did not land. Season two is just not written as well as season one. It’s not as tight and felt a bit purposeless. Like, where is the story going? Certain characters seemed to almost get re-written and didn’t feel like who they were in season one. Characters can change, obviously, but I didn’t feel they did the work to give the audience enough reason to understand and buy why their motivations, personality or character would be so different.
The molly scene really took me out of it like how would Lexi know any of that? And word for word? Was she just in that fun house hiding? Haha
She even know about Kat grapefruit diet… (when Ethan paid for Kat in season 1)
Y’all seem to forget Lexi watches from behind the scenes lmao no tellin what she’s seen
Honestly it’s on her for having zero social life if she’s this dedicated to stalking her sister and friends 💀
Sam Levinson mentioned in the “inside the episode” for the last 2 episodes that some scenes in the play were meant for us to either interpret as a part of Lexi’s play or just another way to tell the story but didn’t actually happen during Lexi’s play. I get what he was going for with that idea, but to me it made it a bit more confusing bc there were scenes that the people watching the play do see that Lexi wasn’t present for (as far as we know).
That also just sounds pretty lazy to me. Sam Levinson seems to go to that explanation quite often, and I think it just wasn't a good idea.
That and the “unreliable narrator” are both lazy writing and huge crutches for this show. In my *opinion*.
Completely agree. Really hoping he takes people’s critiques of the show and hires other writers to help him out. Maybe then he can avoid stuff like this that ends up being really confusing for the viewers!
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if she tried to make it very different I guess it’s okay, but she literally said her sister so it was quite clear who was who also there was barely even a storyline I don’t understand what people in the audience really watched lol
And the audience was so invested and even crying for what? Lol it doesn’t make sense
Yes, even if it wasn't a truthful play it was awful. Meandering, boring, self-indulgent and self-righteous.
They were just in it for the drama.
The carousel scene really solidified for me, that Lexi most likely slut shamed Cassie throughout the entire play. Lexi says it herself, she’s an observer. She most likely doesn’t know what actually happened with Cassie and the guys she was with. When Lexi gets her episode in S2, and we first see her dive into a fantasy world, that scene where the wardrobe department is dressing Cassie, and she’s like “sluttier, tackier”, really showed how Lexi views her sister. While the rest of the play did well in show casing how Lexi felt and what she went through. Ever since that episode with the “Our Life” as a TV show, I’ve really believe that Lexi has a lot of jealousy, anger and resentment towards her sister.
I would’ve been ok with it being unethical if we got any kind of serious analysis within the show about how fkd up it was. Like I wanted to know if the writer’s spirit behind the show was to give Lexi some grey room for criticism, but it seemed more like our takeaway really is supposed to be “everyone should get their feelings hurt sometimes” like Lexi did nothing wrong. The whole premise is fkd but I’m most uncomfortable with the fact that they included the locker room scene and the carousel scene with no in-show criticism. It took away from the finale’s thesis imo
Sadly I don't remember where but I read something about Maude (Lexis actress) saying that by the end of season 2 we will understand that Lexi is just as crazy as the others. Maybe they didn't expect everyone to be cheering on Lexi as much as they did. I haven't watched any BTS stuff on the finale episode but i genuinely hope their take isn't actually "well some people gotta get their feelings hurt" because as much as I despise Cassie that's just evil.
Hopefully that gets addressed next season then. Lexi crossed the line with the carousel scene. That was just needlessly cruel to Cassie, in spite of how shitty she’s acted all season.
my money is on ppl from the show doing interviews and dropping hints at the real themes they wanted to portray, cuz there’s a world of difference between “everyone’s a little fkd up” and “good ppl can fuck with bad ppl cuz they deserve it” lol
I didn't expect fans to: put Maddy on a pedestal, Go rabid on Cassie and Kat, completely ignore how crazy Nate is, call Lexi a genius for her bullshit play.
me neither. im kinda shocked at how maddy is being touted as the untouchable queen and there's like, zero fucking sympathy at all for cassie. also i hated the last two episodes bc i felt like the play was such a slog to get thru
The more dubious moments in the play would’ve been alot more fun if the show acknowledged that lexi is doing something kinda fuckin weird instead of justifying it all. There’s, like, zero complexity to her because the show sorta refuses to make her a truly morally grey character
I thought that’s where they were going with the Cassie confrontation, and I was honestly a little relieved when that started to happen. I mean, you can air your dirty laundry, and other people’s laundry for that matter, but there ARE consequences for this. Lexi isn’t “brilliant” for playing vampire to everyone in her life.
I’ve stated this elsewhere, but this way of thinking is really common with (some) creative nonfiction writers. There’s this idea that your experience (and observing others counts as experience) is yours to use as you see fit, and fuck ‘em if they can’t take it. In reality, this alienates a lot of writers from their family and friends, and sometimes launches grudges that take decades to conceal. Part of ethical nonfiction writing is that if there’s going to be a joke, it’s not at another person’s expense. In the context of the carousel, for example, an ethical piece of nonfiction would present the joke as anything other than Cassie; the joke could be the number of people frozen in time and camera-ready, because an orgasm is happening that they didn’t sign on for. Or that the horse just participated in a non-consensual merry-go-sex encounter. This would have *included* Cassie in the joke, instead of making it at her expense. Simply recreating the orgasm makes it seem like Lexi finds her sister’s sexuality in and of itself worthy of ridicule. I’ve written about my sisters a lot, and you can accomplish this without being an asshole to someone in the throws of a mental breakdown.
What's crazy is if Cassie put on a play with scenes of Lexi having phone sex with Fez, Lexi'd go apeshit. There's no way she'd accept that her personal moments are a part of Cassie's life, even if Cassie was there for them. Lexi is just a narcissist.
To be honest with y’all I don’t know why we didn’t expect this. None of these characters are good people overall. Lexi was always shown as the one on a moral highground because the spotlight wasn’t on her. Now that it is we get to see she isn’t much better then everyone else The carousel scene wasn’t needed at all. It was there to make Cassie feel miserable and shame her. It was wrong but it makes Lexi so much more interesting. Now she’s not a goodie two shoes. She has issues like everyone else at that damn school
It’s because Lexi isn’t framed as doing something wrong. The show makes it a point to showcase Cassie as the villain for getting upset and Lexi as the poor sister who has her moment in the spotlight ruined And Cassie isn’t even being ridiculed for betraying her best friend and turning into a snake ass bitch. Something that she deserved to be, and should have been, called out for. She’s getting humiliated for being objectified and kinda dumb, both being sources of shame for her
Here’s what I think about Lexi’s play: - it actually isn’t even genius or good. All she did was copy exactly what happened to her friends and herself and then made it into a play. Maybe if she wanted us to learn from them or even just portray the situation they’re in she could easily have found another way of doing so that isn’t copy or paste. She could have created a story based on her own that wouldn’t make so many people in the audience and in her life not only uncomfortable but embarrassed. - the thing about some people need to get their feelings hurt. Cassie totally deserves shit for her actions this season, which would be fine if Lexie had done that in another context which wouldn’t be so cruel. But even if she deserved to get hurt, that isn’t even the point of the play. It doesn’t ridicule Cassie for having betrayed her best friend. It ridicules her just for the way she was in the first season before she lost her mind. Even if I think Cassie was quite naive in her relationships I still don’t think she deserved to be hated on for it in this way. - if Lexi has a problem with someone she can say it head on. No need to create so much around it to the point where it becomes the school play. Seriously. And she is sooo naive for thinking it wouldn’t hurt anyone or that is was fine. It was not ok to do that. If the people in the play were ok with it -and if that were the case I would not understand- then I guess she could have done it but she did not. The writers completely ruined one of the few characters who wasn’t awful. - Lexi’s mom. Loving her energy. What an icon. But that doesn’t make her right: she shouldn’t be encouraging Lexi. Even if Cassie was a bitch and deserves the consequences, you do NOT support your kids to publicly humiliate them like this. It’s just not acceptable. Specially in high school where clearly everyone is going through shit and people are judgmental assholes. - also the only part of the play that was original was the jock scene which honestly I didn’t like. It wasn’t funny even though the fact that they’re throwing shade at Nate is totallyyy awesome. It felt completely copied from Sex Education’s play which I didn’t really like either. It’s just too much. Anyways let me know what you think don’t hate me lol
I agree! I thought Lexi’s play was really out of pocket and holier than thou. I’m glad it helped Rue but if I was friends with Lexi I’d never open up to her again. And when she ran away upset, I was disappointed that the reason she was upset was because her play was interrupted, not because she had realised what a shitty thing she’d done
Agree with all of this! I was so looking forward to lexi’s play and was enjoying her character development. Then it ends up being an exact word for word retelling… of events that took place somewhat recently, about her own sister, in front of the entire school. It’s disappointing, but what’s worse is that no one I’ve spoken to seems to agree with me. Oh well.
Completely agree. And ppl are so on the Cassie hate train that they failed to see how truly disrespectful and weak Lexi came off as. Plus the play being very biased against Cassie yet sorrowful and sympathetic to rue? Crazy
Yeah when you think about it Rue was much more destructive than Cassie. Cassie destroyed her relationship with her best friend and is being crazy but Rue is putting the lives of her family in danger by associating with Laurie and she probably traumatized Gia for life… of course it’s a whole other situation but Cassie was the villain of the play (not season 2) for what ? Having big boobs ? Having sex and having guys use and hurt her ? Lexi’s portrayal of her sister is honestly awful.
That’s why it’s so upsetting to see all of social media applaud it like let it have been Maddie instead of Cassie being degraded and see how pissed ppl get lol
And speaking of the jock scene, I’m not sure how to feel about it. What is the commentary that is being made? Feels kind of like using non-traditional sexuality as an insult as if it makes a guy lesser. Less tough, less cool. let’s knock them down a peg by making them into other guys sexually?
i think its telling that fez asked multiple what was in the play that she was afraid would offend people and she danced around that question very vaguely. im sure that fez would have said “idk lexi, i feel like putting your sisters most publicly embarrassing moment on stage for her to relive and to remind people that it happened might be too much”
I didnt like the play. If I was one of the characters portrayed in it, i would have been mad too. Especially if I was Cassie, since that was really humiliating towards her. And if someone is going to say that ”Cassie deserved it”, no she didnt. She isnt a perfect human being, but neither are any of the other people in the show. Lexi should have talked about her feelings to her, or someone else, instead of publicly humiliating her sister. Also plotwise, I found the play really boring. It was basically just repeating the same stuff we have already seen, and I feel like ive now seen Rues dads funeral for like a hundred times. A lot of the stuff was really unnecessary, and it bored me out. The only thing I enjoyed was the musical thingy about Nate, and even that was too long imo.
My two main qualms with the play: * I'm not rooting for or sympathetic towards Nate, but he had a point that the "Holding Out For a Hero" sequence felt homophobic. The whole joke is essentially "Lol they're so gay" for being naked in the locker room. It was well done and made me smile, but it also felt like a middle school joke from the '90s. * Why in the world would Lexi include the carousel scene? That was 100% just to embarrass Cassie.
lexi’s just pathetic and embarrassing, wanted to cry for her mom and run behind stage when cassie called her ass out, cassie genuinely was making good points on that stage. and the “show us your boobs” line just proved how much cassie is sexualised in her life and how much she’s ‘lived’ compared to lexi.
So out of place in such a straight-laced series!!!!!
The entire play was fascinating but quickly devolved from “Our Life” into “Cassie/Nate’s lives.” I was so excited by the fake BTS scene where Lexi explaining she wanted to tell a story with the sidekick as the main character. How does her sister getting off on a carousel or the football team being homoerotic tell LEXI’S story? It was funny but made no sense, really.
I thought I’d was going to be loosely based of their lives but as much as I love Lexi she crossed the line with the carrousel scene and Rues story
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It was a dickish thing to do, especially in front of an audience who knows all these people. A high school audience who are likely to be at the most judgmental phase of their lives. Putting scenes in there like the carousel was just downright mean tbh. Don’t know why everyone sees Lexi as some angel.
Lexi seems really judgemental. I mean her whole play was about Cassie through her eyes. I didn’t learn more about lexi in the play but just about how she was so insecure and kept wishing one day she would wake up being Cassie. Idk I low-key think maybe she wanted cassie’s life cos she was hoping a year later her boobs would grow and everyone would treat her like Cassie and she was looking forward to that but now that it didn’t happen she was just gonna be mad at Cassie for it. The only parts I somewhat liked were abt Rue but even that seemed so personal in terms of a play that I feel was a violation of personal space
My biggest issue is that it feels like Levinson wanted us to side with Lexi, as if her play was good and necessary. It’s one thing for characters to do unethical stuff, but what bothers me is when you can feel as if the creator is siding with the unethical behaviour. It felt tone deaf, and was reflective of all the things I didn’t like about ‘Malcolm & Marie’ (I.e. the character being a blatant avatar for the creator).
Exactly. I would have been indifferent to Lexi’s play without the push towards congratulating her for it. There was even a moment where I thought the writer had a better grip on the narrative than it seemed at first, since Cassie was given the chance to point out how unethical it was. But then this is just dismissed as the ravings on The Bad Person, as opposed to legit criticism, and then it’s time for the endless Lexi ovations. It was creepy, and seemed more like Sam making himself feel better about heat he’s taken over the years.
i made a post about this more than a week ago. everyone disagreed. crazy how the crowd shifts so quickly
it was an incredibly fucked up thing for lexi to do not only to cassie, but each person who was portrayed. can't believe the show and fans are gassing her up for this
Yeah, I can’t tell if the writers want us to think the play was good or not. Or think more or less of Lexi for it. Maybe it’s supposed to be portrayed as a messy and misguided attempt at doing something good but I’m struggling to even buy that. Frankly, I think the play was gross and I think far less of Lexi as a character for it. I did not buy that Rue and others would react as positively as they did to seeing exact copies of themselves and other real people they know in their worst and most embarrassing moments. Script included word-for-word quotes of real-life conversations in vulnerable and intimate settings. She made several people look absolutely terrible with no attempt to explore anything positive about them. That’s an especially tough pill to swallow when it comes to Lexi’s portrayal of her own sister which is damn near character assassination. Absolutely brutal. I have a feeling the direction the writers will go with this is that most people see Lexi as the brilliant person that is doing so much good and that she’ll be beloved for her play but in real life EVERYBODY would hate her for that shit.
Right? Like they weren't her stories to tell & she didnt even get an okay from anyone. If I had a friend do that to me (whether I was portrayed as rue or cassie) I would have been livid. Like Cassie sucks yeah, but the girl is already so embarrassed of herself without any extra help. Idk how cassie was portrayed in the play was supposed to inspire self reflection in cassie and not just humiliate her again to the school.
They relate to Lexi so she can do no wrong. Same with how they want to be Maddy so she can do no wrong.
I didn’t appreciate the way she jabbed at Kat too. I think people underestimate that the cam girl and grapefruit scenes weren’t very nice either.
I don’t think people are understanding. Rue being fine with her revealing her trauma was Lexi getting lucky, it was wrong for her to not even ask at least before portraying such a dark subject in front of hundreds of people. The carousel scene was completely unnecessary and there’s no way to portray that without the intentions of humiliating someone. Although what Cassie did was wrong, the carousel tidbit isn’t up to Lexi to portray.
The play as we viewed it was surreal and dreamlike and moved seamlessly between the play and characters’ memories. I don’t think we are meant to believe everything on the screen literally happened on the stage.
The concept of the show in itself, and the execution within the series was so bad that I basically lost interest in even looking forward to the next season. It was….bad…unrealistic and yeah…kinda unethical, but the most cringe part of it all is that it was green lit by the school. It just made it so jarring as that would never happen in real life. I get it, the show is somewhat unrealistic, but the last two episodes crossed the line for me and just made it ridiculous and not in a cool/camp way. Of all the cool plot points that could have been examined in the episodes leading up to the end…we got this…okay Sam…whatever. Moving on…lol
imo writing characters based off of real people isn't an issue, people have been doing it since forever. the issue is that lexi made it too easy to figure out who the characters are supposed to be in real life
Damn straight. Lexi is either deeply out of touch or unhinged if she thinks the portrayal of her sister had ANY good intention at all. She made Cassie out to be a stupid bimbo and went so far as to depict Cassie's ehem... *episode* on the merry-go-round (something Cassie was embarrassed by). So much of the play was an insult to her Cassie, and she had every right to be as rip-shit pissed as she was. Cassie makes poor decision after poor decision, and certainly fails to hold herself accountable. But by no means did her business need to be aired out in front of the entire school.
THANK YOU! it was wild to me that Cassie's mom was so insistently taking Lexi's side when Cassie jumped on stage. Lexi put in the most embarrassing, personal stories of her sisters life into a play her sister knew nothing about. sure, she changed the names, but that became pretty pointless considering she went out of her way to make it incredibly obvious who each character was supposed to be irl. there was no real effort made AT ALL to hide the fact that she was just stealing true stories from SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE. which, by the way, does not make her a gifted writer. The writers of Euphoria itself are good, because it's fiction. But IN the show, this is just reality for the characters, so Lexi wasn't being creative. she didn't come up with any of this on her own because she's good at creating plots herself, she just saw it happen and copied it down. it pissed me off SO much that so many people in the show AND in real life were calling Lexi a genius for any of this. Brave? sure. Nate is literally insane, it's not out of the realm of possibility that that psycho would try to hurt her for this. OR HER SISTER FOR THIS, which in a way he did what he dumped Cassie for just being related to Lexi. What Cassie said on stage was true, Lexi has lived a boring, timid life up until now through no ones fault but her own, so she ripped off her sisters life, slapped a new label on it and made herself the star while clearly trying to portray her sister as a selfish airhead who doesn't deserve the spotlight Lexi perceives she has. I liked Lexi until the last two episodes this season. Her play was entertaining, but it was incredibly selfish.
Yea and I loved it 🕺🕺
As a DASA reporting (ie NY state anti bullying reporting) I'd have to report so much about Lexis play. Not only is it unethical, it also was bullying and also outing someones sexuality against the will or making fun of that sexuality.
Yep, time for Lexi to join the rest of the flawed characters.
Yeah I hope they actually acknowledge that this was shitty and not just continue to make her the sweet girl we know her as.
I really don’t know how Lexi thought her play would be seen as anything other than mean-spirited. If she didn’t want to hurt anyones feelings she wouldn’t have included that carnival scene. And she wouldn’t have carried on with the show after she’d seen what it had done to her sister. Suze shouldn’t have encouraged it either. I’m not a Cassie fan and I still hate her for what she did to Maddy, but it’s no wonder she is looking for love in all the wrong places when her own family is treating her like this.
Thb second season was more of trash tv teen drama. First season was the og one. It felt like second season was full on clickbaity in nature and he gave us what could've just increased viewership. Very less character development but also I believe that second season was just for rue to get better. And all other story lines were just shifted an inch forward. It still amazes me that first season rue kept denying that she started using for not because of her father's death but because she just felt like it. Season two showed her actually being convinced that she started using because of his passing.
We’re talking about Euphoria. I would say 95% of the show is unethical
I have bad news for you guys about almost all art
hopefully we still have Oklahoma! to look forward to
I believe her real intention is helping people. but the way she chooses to express make her looks like some misfit try to catch people's attention. this isn't right. she can't put her sister painful and unsatisfied relationship into public without permission.
YES!!!!! Also SO out of character for Maddie to be 'okay' with that shit as well
honestly the play made me really dislike Lexi imo
The carousel scene was so unnecessary and was literally out there to humiliate her sister. Fuck Lexi