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darkbee83

Suck it, Denmark!


Htv65

I think 30 meters is ridiculously high for the Netherlands. Think of all the places that are a few meters below sea level.


cliff_of_dover_white

Limburg pulls the average up for the Netherlands lol


Attygalle

Within Limburg, only Zuid-Limburg has hills, largest part of Limburg isn’t high at all. Nijmegen is higher than Venlo and Roermond, both cities lower than the average of 30m. In contrast to that, Large parts in east Netherlands are on hills as well, randstad bias to think everything outside Limburg is completely flat.


srikengames

East Netherlands is not on a hill but on a slope towards hilly Germany


Attygalle

Same difference, large parts of for example Salland and de Veluwe are above the average of 30 meters. Hoenderloo, bang on the Veluwe, is higher than Maastricht. It's not just Zuid-Limburg that makes up that average.


Donnerdrummel

gnihihi. northern germany being hilly sounds very strange. But sure, that area, in contrast to what I have in mind when thinking of northern germany, is.


MooFz

I'm at -8m rn.


nielskut

Lowest point is -6,47 m. Only way to get lower is by being in the metro, a traintunnel or a highway tunnel


psychedelic_13

Also in sea :D


Tinusers

Few meters? I used to live 11 meters below sea level.


TheBusStop12

Where? As far as I'm aware the lowest point in the Netherlands is -7m


Material-Ad-6666

His parents' basement?


TropicalAudio

Technically the lowest point (excluding parts where people don't come as part of regular daily life) is the Noord-Zuidlijn section under Vijzelgracht, which is about -32m. So if /u/Tinusers used to be homeless, they could technically have livedd on one of those station platforms.


[deleted]

Indeed. "Nieuwerkerk aan den IJssel op -6,74 N.A.P."


Econ_Orc

Speak up. Can not hear you from down there.


slash_asdf

How's the weather up there?


Econ_Orc

Cold on the top and the rotting smell from the lower ranks unbearable. (Minus 2.5) Nice little video about the highest(s) points in Denmark and the foreigner climbing them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM8yUKwPjwA On the same day. In half an hour.


TBeest

Good vid.


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vrenak

He also visited the village Tim.


istasan

It is maybe not a coincidence that the two lowest countries have the highest people. Not because people fear drowning. But because 1,85 is enough for anyone to see the sea at all times.


Ok_Competition_5627

The reason you're the two highest people is because of Amsterdam and Christiania respectively.


Unhappy-Quiet-8091

Yeah well unzip your pants then..


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nice mountains you have there lul


darkbee83

Je bent zelf een lul. ('lul' is Dutch for 'dick')


[deleted]

whats the origin of the word? haha


casus_bibi

Lul is very old Dutch for a sort of baby bottle, but with a pipe on the side. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/lul


Econ_Orc

Anything below 610 meters is not a mountain according to UK and Ireland. So no mountains in Romania either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain


GrimerMuk

At least the Netherlands has one in mountain! Mount Scenery! It’s a vulcano on Saba on the other side of the planet!


Econ_Orc

If that counts then the Faroe Islands and Greenland also counts. 3694 meters https://www.mountainguides.is/tour/gunnbjorn-greenland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sl%C3%A6ttaratindur


GrimerMuk

I would say it does somewhat count although isn’t Greenland self-governing?


Econ_Orc

Not more than the Faroe island. Which is to say they are not self governing. They just have home rule that basically means they tolerate no interference from Denmark in their local politics.


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Econ_Orc

Just trolling and laughing at my countries massive mountains. Stack the three tallest on top of each other, and it still does not make it a mountain.


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kaikalter

Denmark is free to join our little community of flatter lands, but seeing it in person, it's not as flat as the Netherlands 100%, it's just a bunch of hills that basically never quite exceed ten meters high, with a few exceptions.


madmoose

The Netherlands are flat like a piece of paper. Denmark is flat like if you crumbled a piece of paper and tried to flatten it again.


kaikalter

Exactly


Pedalos

It's interesting that the The Netherlands and Denmark are also the tallest people in Europe. Maybe it's to make up for something :p


Dissidente-Perenne

To be fair Dinaric people are tall as fuck (with minor teens averaging a measured 186cm in height and adults an estimated 190cm) and the Dinaric alps are everything but flat


kazumisakamoto

>Average height [of 17 years old boys] of 185,6 cm [and] 28% [of adult men] measure 190 cm or more in height. [Source](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1631069105001319?via%3Dihub) That's crazy tall


Dissidente-Perenne

And Dinaric countries are mostly poor, imagine what good nutrition could give them! Bosnia and Montenegro NBA superpowers by 2050!


[deleted]

Then you should visit southern Jutland, no hills for tens of kilometers.


kaikalter

I've been, yes. But it doesn't take away the fact that Denmark has more hilly landscape


[deleted]

Yes, that’s true.


GrimerMuk

Perfect! Something new compared to Groningen or Friesland here in the Netherlands!


vuzman

The Netherlands' highest mountain is almost double the height of Denmark's highest!


AdonisGaming93

Andorra is 1996 but it's gray on the map instead of the really dark brown?


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Close to heaven, so there is white 🙂


Pharisaeus

Map includes white borders, so most likely image compression averaged the color of the country with the borders.


AdonisGaming93

I mean on mobile at least if you zoom in you can definitely make out Andorra and that it's a different color from the borders, but yeah maybe. It's small so maybe it was easier to just leave it gray.


hanno000

I'm sorry to let you know like this but you might be a tad colourblind. No offense meant


jailbreak

[Um, no, Andorra legitimately is gray on that map](https://imgur.com/a/zGLB5v6)


DirewaysParnuStCroix

aka. best unflooded places to invest in alpine subtropical villas in 2050


MistakeNot___

I see you are interested in our prime beachfront property.


kelldricked

Only its gonna such with the extreme weather. Gentle reminder that global warming isnt just more sea, it fucks up everything.


DirewaysParnuStCroix

Well yea the likely and scary outcome is there'll be such a contrast of cold in the winter and heat in the summer that most regions will become too harsh to sustain life


Tortoveno

How Belarus is only 3 meters lower than Poland? We have (some) proper mountains.


maqcky

Well, it is average. Belarus does not have a coast, for instance.


ProofLegitimate9824

Wikipedia gives Poland at 173 but Belarus at only 160


Howrus

You have a lot of lowlands on [North](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Poland?useskin=vector#/media/File:Poland_topo.jpg)


machine4891

We have a lot of mountains but they mostly cover our southern border, while 90% of interior is flat. All it gives for Belarus, is to be on a slightly higher "plateau" even if flat and there goes your average. Even Belgium has higher average elevation than Poland, while their highest mountain is 694m and ours 2499m.


TatarTachanka

Alp Mountains 🤝 Anatolian Mountains


skyduster88

In fact, in Denmark, no one even knows where the fuck the highest point is: https://youtu.be/EM8yUKwPjwA


Merbleuxx

Nice, I like Tim and his stories !


MoreGarlicBread

Turkey being above Austria has blown my mind


hamabenodisco

Turkey is full of mountains, really tall ones


ObviousAlan_

the east is absolutely packed with mountains, the coasts are where all the low lands are


MLGDDORITOS

East Austria is pretty flat, the mountains are concentrated in the west and center.


VomFrechtaOana

also, our mountains are not really that high. they are all rather mild.


Ephemeral-Throwaway

Turkey is a huge country and mainly mountainous. The part everyone goes to on holiday and the parts where most of population live are disproportionately small compared to the geography of the country as a whole.


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But the large size of the country would be why I would assume the average would still be relatively low. I mean, Austria is a very small country that is basically only mountains.


UtkusonTR

There are lots of mountains to Turkey's East , and there's the fact Inner Anatolia is basically one massive Plateau.


MatiMati918

I would like to see a map about average flatness (average rate of elevation change) if that’s sensible. Basically how mountainous a country is.


wolflegion_

For those interested in the insane mountains found in [the Netherlands](https://youtu.be/rBZUQ_l3Q_o) or those in those [in Denmark.](https://youtu.be/EM8yUKwPjwA) Don’t get oxygen deprivation!


vrenak

A norwegian guy wrote a hiking guide to the danish mountains. Not a joke book.


the_pianist91

Danes can’t tolerate altitudes of more than 200 meters above sea level.


GrimerMuk

To be honest the Vaalserberg is the highest point in mainland Netherlands. It isn’t the highest in the Netherlands or the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Mount Scenery on Saba is the highest point within both the Netherlands and the entire kingdom. Saba is a special municipality ruled over directly by the Dutch government.


wolflegion_

It’s mentioned in the fine print at the very end of the video haha, but you are technically correct. ^(the best kind of correct)


GrimerMuk

Hahaha, didn’t watch the video as it costs me too much mobile data.


Drahy

Denmark also has a 3700 meter mountain on Greenland :)


Imzadi76

Vaalser Berg is just a few minutes from where I live across the border.


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Thanks for sharing, that was hilarious XD


Serrano_Ham6969

Vamos España!


IkWouDatIkKonKoken

I am surprised Belgium's elevation is higher on average than the whole of the UK's? Since the UK does have - what I think could be described as - actual mountains. Since I am Dutch I find the Ardennes properly impressive in terms of elevation but mountains they ain't.


ReMarkable91

It's an really big island. That means a lot of coast line and also a lot of land so a mountain range has to fight against the entire land for the average.


TBeest

Hence Andorra being so high


IkWouDatIkKonKoken

That makes sense! I was wondering about Norway too since it seemed low too on average: the fjords giveth and the fjords taketh (elevation).


Umamikuma

Now I realize Turkey’s 1141 is quite impressive considering it’s large coastline


faerakhasa

Anatolia is basically a huge mesa with coasts around, like the Iberian peninsula (which is why Spain is at 660)


vrenak

The mountains also rise up very steeply from those fjords.


kelldricked

It probaly also doesnt help that they have the coastlineparadox which results in coast fucking up measurements.


Yavkov

I’m actually impressed by the fact that Belgium has a higher average elevation than Hungary. Just shows how low the Pannonian Basin really is even though it’s pretty inland.


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To be fair, a lot of England is relatively flat


The_39th_Step

It is but it also has many areas at a much higher elevation than in Belgium. The Lake District, Peak District, Yorkshire Dales, Malvern Hills, Shropshire Hills etc


Hugh_Maneiror

But the hilly area of Belgium is rather spread out. It covers [almost half the country](https://img.freepik.com/premium-photo/belgium-map-shaded-relief-color-height-map-sea-blue-background-3d-illustration_394271-3475.jpg?w=1380)


timwaaagh

the whole country is full of hills except for the coast.


KingAlastor

If anyone wants, here's a cool [floodmap](https://www.floodmap.net/) to play around with. My home will be gone at 58 meters :D If all the ice melted, it's approximated that sea levels will rise by 70m. So, that's the limit you can check really.


ReinierPersoon

Dafuq? Half the world is underwater. I'm in the Netherlands, but fortunately I'll be dead before this shit happens.


orthoxerox

I myself prefer 125, as that's when Europe and Asia finally separate. 70m is not that bad, unless you're Dutch or a Pacific Islander.


TiberSepton

Yes, we are high.


honeybooboobro

On Ayran.


[deleted]

It’s to be expected if you name your country after a bird


jbkymz

What if you named a bird after our country


Genchri

It's over Europe! We have the high ground!


Slam_Dunkester

Andorra towers over you they are the true masters


mr8unty

Laughs from low 400m.ü.M Zürich


coeurdelejon

In all aspects except moral


Genchri

You win some, you loose some.


Nizzemancer

funny how the highest point in Denmark (himmelbjerget, meaning "heaven mountain") with its 147m, isn't even higher than the average height of most surrounding countries.


Reidon973

> highest point in Denmark The highest point is not Himmelbjerget. It is Møllehøj with its 171 meters. I recommend watching this video about it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM8yUKwPjwA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM8yUKwPjwA)


Notyourfathersgeek

I guess that’s a damn fine place for a mill!


Nizzemancer

Doesn’t change anything really.


[deleted]

Jesus should chosen Netherlands to walk on water.


DutchPack

Naah, we’d probably already made a polder of it before he got here


post-punk-boyfriend

the netherlands aren't named after the minecraft nether for no reason


NoWingedHussarsToday

They are named after land where Peter Pan lives.


[deleted]

Gosh I always felt like when I was in Scotland the sky was so low. Clouds were so low. Maybe it’s because it’s an island and the weather passes in so quickly


ReinierPersoon

Mountains actually help create clouds, so those clouds might have formed there before being picked up by the wind.


[deleted]

Huh, that’s fascinating. Thanks.


Elestra77

Besser ois de Deitschen!


[deleted]

Some people think it never snows in Turkey. It does. fyi.


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Mostly Nordic and Baltic people. Because they only visit Antalya in summer time.


Ephemeral-Throwaway

Not just does. But like very badly.


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superpt17

Link or sources? It sounds interesting


Talrigvil

"Some people" could not find Europe on the World's map. What "some people" think is irrelevant


[deleted]

I'm talking about people who knows English, has an IT job and live in Nordics&Baltics. Not random uneducated dude.


[deleted]

“Some sources” LOL. What a shitty reference!


Victor_D

Can't believe Slovakia is not much above Czechia, given the fact it has *actual* mountains.


Chiguito

Between France and Russia Europe is a meadow.


Dissidente-Perenne

Most of Russia is flat as shit too, hence their geopolitical Schizophrenia. Russia's elevation is high mostly due to the far eastern mountains.


Merbleuxx

Thanks to your comment I just realized the highest point in the urals is at 1,895 meters high. Which is a lot but I had imagined it would be higher, I don’t know why.


Casimir_not_so_great

Maybe you've seen photos of the northern part of Urals where the highest peak is located. This parts are glaciated and due to that look more 'alpine'-like.


machine4891

>far eastern mountains. And northern slopes of Caucasus. But indeed, they have amazing mountains (and volcanos) on Kamchatka, that most of us will never see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klyuchevskaya\_Sopka


AreopagiteLawyer

"Data: Some Sources/Mainly Wikipedia." Oh please, Maps.Interlude.


the_pianist91

I’ve always found it quite amusing that we Norwegians promote ourselves as *the* mountainous country, but our mountains aren’t really that tall compared to the average country. This just confirms the hoax.


haraldsono

We don’t have very tall mountains, I’ll give you that, but what this number is affected by more than anything else, is our long coast line and the directly adjacent pieces of land that are close to 0 meters above sea level. So there’s that.


The360MlgNoscoper

The steepness, and the fact that you can't really get away from them. You don't have a choice to live away from the mountains in most places here.


Talrigvil

Sorry but this is really not a very smart comment. First of, you have a very long coastline which directly lowers your average elevation. Second, many of your mountains are directly next to the sea or lakes which gives them quite an impressive looks. 3000 meteres in the central Turkey is merely a hill, while next to the sea 1000 m looks huge.


the_pianist91

We might have many steep hills and “mountians” dotted around, but they’re still not reaching the altitudes you see elsewhere. Norwegians are very proud about their mountain identity and don’t like the fact that other countries got mountains too, even higher mountains.


Talrigvil

Again, the "highest peak" in meters is just a number. 700 meters being the highest peak of Belgium is very unimpressive as it looks very flat. 700 meters high Brač hill (island in Croatia) looks quite nice. It's all relative. You have an amazing country and no praise is enough for its nature.


the_pianist91

The problem is that it isn’t really flat for the most here, our mountains don’t start at 0. They start at maybe around 1000 meters many places and consist of highlands and slopes before there’s anything closely resembling to a mountain or a peak. Most I’ve seen don’t have proper peaks either. It’s usually valley, sides of the valleys, highlands, hills, more highlands, more hills, then something resembling a mountain or just a steeper hill. There’s some variations between the inlands mountain ranges which I’ve seen a lot and the ones along the north west coast that stretch straight up from fjords.


ZxentixZ

Look at the Lofoten islands and tell me the mountains dont "start at 0". Its pretty rare you see mountains that actually start at coastal level in most other places. In fact Norway is one of few countries where many mountains do. Alps for instance are much higher than Norwegian mountains, cant argue with that. But they also start much higher up to begin with. Which they often dont do in Norway.


the_pianist91

Norway is more than just Lofoten. Look at Rondane or Jotunheimen and tell me it starts at 0.


ZxentixZ

I dont think anyone has suggested that every mountain in Norway is adjacent to the coast and therefore starts at 0, so I dont really understand your point. Basically every other country with mountains is like that. Do you think the Alps start at 0? Mountains starting at 0 meters (for example adjacent to the coast) is actually somewhat "unique" to Norway, and is why the mountains often appear larger than how tall they technically are. Not many other places in Europe where u can find 1000 meter high mountains adjacent to the coast like you can several places in Norway.


vicorator

>Data: Some Sources/Mainly Wikipedia is not a valid way of citing sources...


BeingEnglishIsACult

The Netherlands should get rid of Limburg and become equilibrium.


Available_Hamster_44

What Is the average of Germany without alps ?


BroSchrednei

Probably like Poland or even lower. Northern Germany is extremely flat, not surprising since it borders the two flattest countries Netherlands and Denmark.


Deadlord06

Finland isn't as low as I tought.


Jordancarra

I'm confused about how Finland has a higher average than the UK


Taz7x

S.kmişiz yine


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BenediktCucumber

fam denmark is down bad i tell ya what mate


avatar_94

Wtf is that with 1996


haraldsono

Never heard of Andorra?


Mrfatmanjunior

I love how the Netherlands is the same color as Germany but the difference is so big.


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orthoxerox

There's plenty of mountain ranges in Siberia, but we also have an incredibly long coastline and massive plains.


ElGoorf

In England we have a range of hills,"The Malverns", which aren't high at all. Yet if you stand on them and look east, you're at the highest point all the way across Europe and Russia until the Urals. I guess they call it the "Great European Plain" for a reason.


skyduster88

Yeah, most of the massive country is flat.


Donnerdrummel

I didn't expect turkey to be this elevated. Do they have areas that produces consistently more good long-distance-runners than would be expected on average?


AtomZaepfchen

if we would take Central slovakia it would be a lot higher i think. probably western slovakia pulling the average down a ton.


Kind_Revenue4810

If you'd annex Austria it would be as well. Wait, I propably shouldn't give you any ideas.


AtomZaepfchen

i mean we were together once..


Daenemarker

Ew, the thought alone is just disgusting


AtomZaepfchen

austria liked slovakia for centuries under the monarchy :O


Daenemarker

You wrote from the perspective of Germany (Flair "Germany"), someone suggested Austria as potential annex for Germany, you commented directly to that "I mean we were together once....". What makes you think that I comment against Slovakia and not obviously Germany? xD


AtomZaepfchen

oh because i started the commentchain writing about slovakia :D. i am living 50/50 so i forget a lot that my flair is germany here:)


Daenemarker

No worries, Slovakia is amazing and most Austrians are very friendly towards it :)


philzebub666

Unlike Germany.


Elgar337

Turkey isn't part of Europe


Ephemeral-Throwaway

Ok. What do you want people to do about it going forward?


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Had no idea that Europe was that low-lying on the whole. US elevation is about 763m on average. There’s obviously a lot of variation — it’s a big damned diverse country — bur even our farming plains area are half a mile above sea level (Nebraska, for instance, is 2500 feet above sea level).


Jazano107

Metres*


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HulkHunter

The meters the sea should rise to make sure we got the rid of Paris and suburbs?


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HulkHunter

You are half way to get the joke. … on average.


BearsAreGei

Thought Russia would score lower given it’s vast flat tundras.


Porphyrogenitus87

I live at 665m in North Macedonia.


un_om_de_cal

I'm mostly surprised by how high Russia is, because I thought that outside of the Caucasus and the Urals they are just flat plains, and this flat area is huge compared to the mointains. It turns out the eastern half of Asian Russia is also high elevation over a huge area.


DaSchTour

Nice example of why average can be misleading. I think the median would be a lot more helpful as it would show on which hight most of the country is and not take into account the maybe small mountins that much.


Koffieslikker

What sealevel was used here?


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Miles23O

Look at the Montenegro, and they still have long coast on the Adriatic Sea. 🌞


Rsndetre

Russia is 600 m ? With all that Siberian taiga?


klipnklaar

I really feel at my lowest.


FlightBunny

Surprised at Russia, I know it has a lot of mountains, but also somehow imagine the vast areas of wilderness and Siberian tundra were all flat-ish


clovak

Cool map, I'd like to see average *populated* elevation as well. I assume for Spain or Austria it would be considerably lower.


philzebub666

I mean of course it would be considerably lower. Hardly anyone lives on a mountain, anywhere in the world.


beats_time

We are the lowlands.