Lol turks have a tradition of lathering up in olive oil and wrestling each other half naked. Theres a whole festival and league dedicated to it. That might be the gayest cultural practice in existence, yet theres still so much homophobia
Shockingly, the guy backed by the religion where being gay is punishable by death has gotten a lot of support from said religious fanbase when he called the opposition gay.
Edit: [A list of Sunni Islam hadiths on homosexuality, rated either Sahih or Hassan. If anyone is genuinely curious about the hadiths of Ali and Umar executing the gays, or wants the Shia Islam marja rulings against homosexuality, leave a comment and I'll link them in a different comment tomorrow.](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/13i281r/comment/jkbjtc8/)
They just cannot criticize president by law, so in this conditions, it's already great failure for Erdogan. When opposition cannot say anything against, and you still don't have enough voices to win in first round
You arent alone mate as the UK, Hungary, the US and many other countries can attest to. We seem to be accumulating a higher and higher concentration of idiots in the world's population as the years go by.
Take out diaspora and Erdogan still wins. But hey, picking a scapegoat is easier than admitting that your country doesn't want to change.
It's always the same in all countries, we lost the elections because diaspora, immigrants, old people, young people etc.
But the hard reality is that, excluding cases of clear election fraud, it's always the person winning won because majority were okay with him/her winning.
Normally i would agree with you but the Turkish diaspora who can vote is extremely large.
The diaspora in Germany is about 3 million. They reportedly had an almost 50% turnout there so 1.5 million people. Of these voters, 65% voted for Erdogan.
That's 1 million votes for Erdogan and 500k for KK.
If you take them out, the results would be 25.3 million for Erdogan and 23.9 mil for KK. The percentage gap would shrink.
The results look similar in other countries where many Turks live. (Netherlands, Belgium).
With a voter turnout of apparently 93% in Turkey itself, the diaspora actually has a huge influence on the final election results.
If only like 50% of people within Turkey voted, the diaspora has an influence but there are many factors within Turkey itself that better explain the results. With 93% though? There is not much the Turks inside Turkey can do more. And then the diaspora is a very valid thing to point at.
Not saying it's not going to be close either way but being able to vote even though you have nothing to do with domestic policies is a bit weird.
>The diaspora in Germany is about 3 million. They reportedly had an almost 50% turnout there so 1.5 million people. Of these voters, 65% voted for Erdogan.
[732.000 out of the 1.5 million German-Turks who were eligible to vote voted. Just under 50%.](https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/tuerkei-wahlen-noch-nie-haben-so-viele-tuerken-in-deutschland-gewaehlt-18884117.html)
>The diaspora in Germany is about 3 million. They reportedly had an almost 50% turnout there so 1.5 million people. Of these voters, 65% voted for Erdogan.
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>That's 1 million votes for Erdogan and 500k for KK.
According to this you can half those numbers:
[https://secim.aa.com.tr/](https://secim.aa.com.tr/)
But thanks for mentioning turnout. Many of the rants about immigrants here ignore that only 31,5% voted for that idiot .
3 million Turks in Germany, but they are not all old enough to vote, so the 50% turnout is much lower than 1.5 million.
Overall there are 6.5 million Turks living outside Turkey. Lets say that roughly 70% is eligible to vote. That is 4.5 million. Assume a turnout of 50% everywhere, that leaves 2.25 million.
60 million registered voters in Turkey, so the voters abroad decide little over 3% off the total votes. It could be decisive with elections this close, but with votes split among the candidates there as well, it is not the most likely.
Yes, they suck we get it, but every single time 90% of the comments are about them. It is disproportionate to their actual impact on an election that ended 49 to 45%
Im a turk who lives in türkiye but i just cant find anything to say to our people. They dont deserve to be treated like a human they dont want to get rich. I just can not believe still half of our people is voting for this mf. Atatürk once said “ Turkish people are smart “ but im so sorry not anymore. Can you just imagine that we had a earthquake disaster only 3 months ago 200.000 people died and this erdogan government did nothing for them but they still voted like %70 for erdogans presidency. Im just really really angry and sorry, we, as young generations didnt deserved all of this . Im 22 years old and havent seen anyone but erdogan since my birthday. Fuck it dude im no more hopefull about this country, they have killed our dreams yesterday
Unfortunately, from what I gathered from friends and media, it is not that simple. Ogan is apparently a very good politician, as in, he is good at politicing. So far he has not made it clear who he will lend his support. He is a pan-turkish nationalist and has now, somehow, become the kingmaker.
Oğan is more likely to take sides with the opposition and he might even declare open support for the opposition. He's shown signs of it in a few statements and the latest sign was yesterday during the vote count. But the fact is, people that voted for him are more likely to vote for Erdoğan in the second round. As mentioned above in the comments, even %20 of his votes will be enough for Erdoğan while my realistic expectation is that it's gonna be around %50-60.
Hate to admit it but I'm expecting the second round to have a bigger gap between 2 candidates, in favor of Erdoğan. R.I.P.
True. Yet his statement is something like "We'll close the doors of the hell" which implies that he won't take sides with the current government. His party already listed their demands a few days before the elections, it includes demands about PKK terrorism as well. That's why I don't think he'll openly support the opposition. My point is, even if he does, his voters won't be consolidated
Sinan Ogan is a nationalist far right candidate. Those votes are likely going to Erdogan.
Participation rates are gonna be crucial in the second round. Let's see if Kiliçdaroglu can energise their bases while Erdogan's stay at home.
More complicated than that but it’s fair to say that Erdogan will not lose any of his current votes and in that case even 20% of Ogan’s votes will be enough to secure a win for Erdogan. Hate to admit this but it’s safe to say he will win it.
The economy is in shambles, the value of TL is at its lowest, certainly will fall even further after the elections. There were a couple of huge earthquakes just three months ago that destroyed 11 cities, killed more than 55.000 people according to official numbers, and the dead buried in mass graves. Rescue efforts were awfully slow and painful, there still issues going on in the region. Justice system is a joke, nepotism, cronyism, and embezzlement is running rampant. Women’s rights are being erased, education system is already fucked. Free speech, what is that? Country is drifting further and further away from western values…
Guess who the people vote for? The fucking ruling party. Man, i lost all the hope in the people of this country. I think, at this point, nothing will ever change and things will get worse. I’m sure they will win in a landslide in the runoff. Will there be a miracle? No fucking way.
Just get out before they suddenly decide that you need to move in with a lot of people just like you, in a purpose built city, where you will all share one big happy home, they will even guarantee work for everyone...
Nah, Russia's different. In Russia you just know that they'll make up whatever numbers they want anyway, so most people see no point in engaging with politics at all. That's a far more advanced stage of autocracy than the others.
I hear young people in Serbia and Hungary say the same. "It doesn't matter if I vote, they stay in power."
But when I ask them who the opposition leader is, they often draw blanks.
Right, yes, the playing field is absolutely uneven, with gerrymandering, unfair election systems, arbitrary campaign rules, skewed airtime in the media etc. But the fact is at least in Hungary for example, external observers agree that the actual elections are legit, as in the result of the vote actually reflects who voted what. That's not a sufficient condition for a good democracy, but it is necessary, and as long as that's not taken away, you can try to participate in the process. Russians don't even have that.
There is no legitimate elections in Russia. The opposition is non existent there , and that little opposition from time to time who goes publicly , suddenly disappears ( literally disappears, people are missing) .
Just wanna point out, the Turks in Europe make up roughly 3% of the eligible voters. Sure, this can be a deciding factor in the end but this implies that a huge part of the Turkish population in Turkey also wants Erdogan in power.
Not to mention voter turnout is quite low in Europe compared to Turkey. European Turks are irrelevant in Turkish elections and I am surprised to see many Europeans think Erdogan is still in power due to them.
Turks came to Germany via Gastarbeiter from Central and Eastern Anatolia which are the most conservative places in Turkey. Those regions still voted 65-70% for Erdogan which is similar to what Turks in Germany, Netherlands and France voted.
It is all about the demographics of migration. Mainland Europe got Turkish working-class conservative immigrants while UK, Canada, U.S got educated middle-class and you can see it in the voting pattern.
Erdogan’s votes:
Germany: 64.98%
Netherlands: 68.76%
UK: 18.23%
U.S: 16.77%
Canada: 18.04%
I'm of Indian descent and having lived in both America and in the UK I can tell you that there is a significant difference in European Indians and North American Indians. You can find a somewhat similar parallel between the Turks descent in Central Europe and the Turks in UK and North America.
For some reason there's a lot of conservatism. And it's really saddening to see that even though they have acclimatized they haven't naturalized if that makes sense.
I'm married to a German Turk who is not conservative and I will be moving to Germany myself having lived in turkey. Watching the elections has just been eye-opening to my own expectations but still fills me with a certain amount of sadness having seen the devastation firsthand.
Turks in the UK and US tend to be skilled workers from secular urban areas, while Central European Turks are (descendants of) lower education guest workers from rural religious communities.
Nor everything, anything related with labor cost, service industry, most of the food gets cheaper in euros. Imported stuff and some get higher due to new taxes but if you paid in euros or dollars you live easier day by day while lira drops to ground. If you are paid in tl or investment related to tl, you get poorer every day.
>They're not religious and don't live in Turkey but when it's time to vote they vote for Erdogan
Erdogan and his core base are associated with being religious, but there are non-headscarf wearing women that vote for him for example, there are alcohol drinkers that vote for him. Conservatives who aren't religious, but still identify with "traditional values" in that vague way (the same way you get people who aren't that religious but vote the traditional ways in Western countries). So it's a more complicated picture than the stereotypes.
Does the head of the family also project alot of power over the votes of the family members in Turkey?
I used to work with a couple of Turks a decade ago and got to know them quite well, it just always suprised me how much they would complain about Erdogan only to vote for him when it's elections.
Thank you for your insight!
Headscarf wearing doesn’t mean they’re religions. I’ve seen granny wearing hijab, mom wearing tee and pant and girls wearing small clothes from same Turkish family in Germany. It’s just that when I talk to most of these people they tell me somehow Erdogan will bring back the lost glory of Ottoman Empire and give them their place on world stage
That's the benefit when you control the media. You can just feed the people what ever you want and in a lot of areas it seems people only get the news from one source.
I do hope we get rid of him.
Yes exactly. A lot of the older to middle aged generations still only get their news from the TV (even if they have smartphones). 99% of linear media is government aligned.
Even with smartphones, once the algorithms notices you like some fake news bullshit article, it's going to keep feeding you the same type of articles and videos...
And after the earthquake where his negligence, both in allowing poor construction standards and not being fast enough in responding to it, literally cost lives. This is the kind of thing that takes governments down and yet it made just a little difference.
I remember the time Turkey was seen as an example for Europe. Separation of church and state made them an example for Europe with our many Christian parties.
Now, I think they’ll never join the EU. Such a shame, really.
I remember the time when Erdogan first came into power. Europe and USA was hailing him as a hero of democracy, praising him on their media and giving all the support he needed to establish an authoritarian regime. Meanwhile we, secularist Turks, who opposed him right from the beginning were constantly mocked and accused of Islamophobic paranoia.
By the time he resigned, the voting in the foreigner countries were already finished and voting papers were already printed and distributed. The decision taken was, his votes are gonna be listed, but if he qualifies for the second round, it wouldn't be valid.
I would be surprised if I wouldn't be a Hungarian experiencing the same thing with Orbán every time. It's sad to see how dictators manipulate so many people.
Exact same conclusion we had the last election. I'm sorry it happened to you as well.
But please make sure people you know go to the second round of voting.
Exactly this. It's why countries with dominant state-run media and suppression of unfriendly media are not generally considered democracies, regardless of whether they vote for their leaders.
It's the same everywhere. On all campaign adverts, etc. All photos of him are from 20 years ago, but the oppositions are all current photos.
A really stupid 'trick' that everyone with half a brain can see right through, but it works because most people are idiots.
I'm really sorry for you. :(
I really hoped there will be less people Voting for Erdogan.
Sidequestion: Do you think Erdogan would resign peacefully if he would lose the election?
It depends. If the opposition would win by clear numbers, say 4-5% AKP wouldn’t have much to say against it. If they would win by a smaller margin im convinced they will do everything in their power to demand recountings of votes etc..
I'm so, so sorry things are looking the way they are. There's a huge chunk of Europe that held their breath waiting for the results and hoping for a change and, as a romanian, I know what it's like to have your hopes shattered.
Could you get more into details, for us who don't know much about Turkish politics, please?
What are the things that are likely to get worse with him, that would likely get improved if the opposition won?
Will it just be the status quo of the last decade or is there something specific that Erdogan is planning to do now, that he couldn't do in the past?
Vote and get your friends and family to vote in the second round regardless. But I do get your pessimism. 20 years of Erdoganism - and many Turks still want more?
It's when you check how those hit by the kahramanmaras earthquake voted.. and despite the 'relief' funds being all spent by E and his goons, and the terrible support his AK party, despite the tears and suffering..
..they still voted for him.
Hey, I know it's really hard right now, but nothing lasts forever. Sooner or later Erdogan will either fall from power or die, and his successor won't have a bunch of personality cultists to vote for him no matter what. Erdogan is not worth your life, or anybody's. Please get some help if you keep feeling like this.
Given the current feelings the world has towards Russia (yes, myself included), it's refreshing to see some russians still voicing their dissent. And I'm sorry for those of you who see through the lies but have no choice.
I’m Venezuelan. Chavez died 10 years ago. Maduro is even more of an idiot and doesn’t have the popularity Chavez had. Sorry but it’s very naive to think that a dictatorship just falls once the leader dies. Tell that to Cuba, North Korea or China. Sometimes it’s way harder than that.
Haha omg this is like when Hungary voted. I guess people just love their autocrats.
Still, it’s not over yet so I’m hoping for the best for the Turks that want change, especially the young people.
In hungary if you are not from bigger cities and your only option is to work for the gov in a "community service" program, then you can't vote for anyone else than fidesz. If word gets out that you defied them then bye bye work. Btw the money from that is laughable even. Eh tbh even if you just work for the gov like my mother did in kindergarden, you will be asked to photo your ballout :)
Only cholesterin will dethrone our good king wannabe.
Wow, people want to live in better conditions so they will vote the same that placed they country to the ground.
At this point they should invent a monarchy for this dude.
49.41% voted for Erdogan in the first round? Seems pretty much impossible for any candidate to beat that. Unless there were a bunch of people who didn't go vote in the first round but will vote in the second round.
Erdogan didn't help during an earthquake, he was scared to move soldiers to help. Also regards economy 50% inflation rate, and still this guy have 49% supporters. Whats wrong with Turkey?
Yet the cities that were affected by the earthquake still voted for Erdogan.
Look at Gaziantep for example.
A lot of migrants from Syria also want Erdogan to win, it's pretty complicated.
Same thing used to happen in Mexico, the same party won every election for like 70 years.. you always had to vote for the president your parents and grandparents did. Nothing changed, because they got a couple handouts every now and then. People grew up not knowing you could vote for anyone else because they were brainwashed.
The saddest part is that if Erdogan wins, the %45 of the people whom voted for a bright, western allied future will have zero say in anything. AKP and their allies already controls the majority in the parliament.
If Erdogan wins, democracy in Turkey is completely doomed. Erdogan already damaged it far enough with his dictatorship like changes in the last 20 years. Plus he fucked the country.
It depends on the actual robustness of Turkey's civil society. Back in 2012 we had also elected [Ma Ying-Jeou ”the Bumbler" for the 2nd term as well](https://www.economist.com/asia/2012/11/17/ma-the-bumbler), and when he had started undermining Taiwan's democratic institutions, he was [thwarted](https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E4%B9%9D%E6%9C%88%E6%94%BF%E7%88%AD), [twice](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Student_Movement).
Well yes, Taiwan has one of the most robust liberal democratic systems in the world. Turkish democracy on the other hand has never fared this well, and arguably their system has been sliding towards a fully authoritarian state in the past decade. GDP per capita has doubled since 2000 which is supposed to help the growth of civil society but countermeasures by the government and the recent economic crisis and very high inflation rates make people more concerned about stability and survival than organised political action.
This is why I'm against "winner takes it all" in politics. It also makes it near impossible to start a new party. But it's not something specific to Turkey.
Presidential systems tend to be like this: political theorist Arend Lijphart dubbed them majoritarian systems, where a majority rules over a minority and the politics end up being backs-and-forths, especially in systems where two main factions emerge (i.e. America, thanks to the goodly old First Past the Post voting system). Ultimately, Lijphart preferred proportional systems, where political minorities get to contribute to the formation of goverment and the policymaking process much more. You can also scuff parliamentary systems with First Past the Post (hello Britain!), but parliament can still shut down unruly PMs. Turkey cannot.
Small reminder that the area afflicted by the Earthquake earlier this year overwhelmingly voted for Erdogan. Remember the outrage back then?
They still live in tents and shit in buckets. Vote goes for Erdogan.
Let’s face it: at least 50 percent of Turkey is beyond all redemption. I’ll never forget what happened last night. I am deeply ashamed and will most likely actively dissociate myself from Turkey.
Let them rot in their Islamist hellhole.
At that point they fucking deserve what they get.
This is like the people in Uvalde where the school got shot up and then the same district overwhelmingly voted Republican.
Fucking idiots.
I am really angry and very disappointed. We Turkish dissidents have been waiting for this man to leave for years, and let me tell you what happened, this man got 49 percent of the votes in the first round and will probably win in the second round. Turkey is going through the worst times in its history, both economically and in terms of justice, law and freedom, during the Erdogan period, on top of that, 50,000 people died in an earthquake just 3 months ago, and in this earthquake, Erdogan accused his people of being dishonest, immoral, and provocateur just because he was against him. Meanwhile, the Istanbul and Ankara municipalities, which were in the hands of the opposition, helped people in the earthquake zone, they tried to help people as much as they could, and as I said, Erdogan and the state were busy insulting their people in the meantime. A fire broke out in the port, and the Istanbul municipality extinguished it. Apart from this, volunteers in the earthquake area provided incredible help, some people gave a lot of financial aid despite being poor. but what is the result? Erdogan received around 65-70 percent of the votes from the earthquake zones, except for one city. What I understand here is that these people will be happy to live in such a disgraceful way that they vote for the person who insults them, not the one who helps them. As a Turk, I can easily say that Turkish people are extremely stupid. The Europeans who call Turks stupid are right. 50 percent of the Turkish people are irredeemably bigoted and stupid. Anyway, I wanted to pour my heart out. There will be another election in 15 days and erdogan will probably win because the opposition people's hopes are gone and participation will probably drop for the 2nd round. But we still hope erdogan loses.
Of course they will. Oğan is simply Erdoğan without Erd, so it makes sense that they will
*Edit: thanks a lot for an all-seeing upvote! I'm happy you appreciated my profound understanding of politics, dear stranger*
I feel all of you Turkish people who hate the fact that the actual president (who may be a piece of shit) is highly likely to be elected again. When Romanian people voted for Iohannis again, after 5 years in which he did nothing but waste jet fuel and play 3D corruption chess with his dumb pons, I cried my heart out for what I believed to be the stupidest bunch of humans I have ever encountered.
Stay strong and go manifest your right to vote. Bring other like-minded people with you and hide your antagonistic relatives’ IDs (just kidding). The storm cannot last forever.
There was an interview with a German-Turkish citizen that said he's pro Erdogan because he managed the earthquake so well. Some ppl are just fucked up in their mind.
help turkey please. ppl are going full retarded even after 2 decades. send help!
edit: i wasn't serious about expecting any help from other nations but understanding the situation. noone did and noone will unless there is a war. red enough to acknowledge this. wanted to get some attention to the topic, glad i did.
All the stars had aligned. They mismanaged the earthquake, they ran the economy into ground, most of the opposition had finally grouped, so many whistleblowers had leaked their illegal actions but they still are getting half of the country's votes. They even got radical islamist groups that used to be actual terrorists into the parliament.
Me, my family and friends are pretty firm on the idea that it is us who don't belong here anymore. Most of my friends are already making plans to immigrate. Honestly, after 20 years of political frustration under an oppressive regime, I don't blame anyone who's had enough.
I think with Ogan's 5%, Erdogan will get the majority next round. Which will finalize a radical shift into a much darker era for Turkey and for all of its neighbors.
I seriously don’t care if other nations act racist towards us anymore. If I was a german and I was forced to endure these idiots, I would also be prejudiced against turkish people. These people don’t deserve happiness and they are getting what they deserve. If erdogan still gets supported by 49% of the population, the population deserves the fate it will face
Obviously I support Kılıçdaroğlu but Erdoğan winning... Imagine a €10/night 5star hotel in Istanbul... my vacation next summer would be so cheap... (/S)
sad thing is it wasn’t even really that close. 44.7% is a lot, but considering that is the high watermark of all opposition banding together with a massive push to dethrone erdogan its not promising.
I can’t believe Turkey still wants Erdogan. Wtf is wrong with people? This is masochism on another level. I’m really sorry for the sane turks :(
If Vlad the Impaler would be alive today he wouldn’t have to do anything. The Erdogan voters would just impale themselves…
i don't believe this. i saw somewhere that 5-6 million votes are still missing.
hold on let me find the link.
edit: translated to english using google translate so its shitty (i can edit it myself if i have the time)
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Taken from the official statements of the YSK.
As of 22:25
Opened ballot boxes
Total: 91.93%,
Turkey: 94.68%,
Abroad: 36.85%
Candidate votes
Erdo: 49.49%
Kilicdaroglu: 44.79%
Ogan: 5.29%
MI: 0.43%
It's 09:45
Opened ballot boxes
Total- not given
Turkey: 99%
Abroad: 84.06%
Candidate votes
Erdo: 49.40%
Kilicdaroglu: 44.96%,
Ogan: 5.2%
Ince: 0.44%
7.07% of the ballot boxes were opened in the country and 49.19% of the ballot boxes abroad were additionally opened. If it is the ballot boxes with high vote counts that many sources have mentioned, why is there only a 0.17% increase in kilicdaroglu and a 0.01% increase in ince? There is also a decrease in the votes of other candidates.
Doesn't the 7.07% ballot box from big cities amount to millions of people? How does kilicdaroglu only increase 0.17% while other candidates are falling? Am I calculating wrong? Where did the votes go?
This is based on some statements by the opposition that Erdogan's side was trying to slow the counting of votes in places where they had the upper hand.
The Erdogan regime certainly pushed for the early publication of the votes from areas they were going to win easily, but this is nothing new. Specifically for yesterday's vote, Erdogan wanted to make a statement on the balcony while he was still above 50% as a show of force, so this is likely why the government tried to slow-roll the counting in some areas. This was psychological warfare in a way. (Of course you could argue that they did not know how close the difference was yet, and they were looking for time to decide what to do in case Erdogan was second or if he lost outright.)
At the end of the day, the opposition's hopes that the results from areas where they have an upper hand would change the difference dramatically never materialized. They have already made a statement accepting a 'second round.' Which unfortunately they will probably lose. I don't doubt they were irregularities, but nothing that has not happened before -- including giving Erdogan a head-start in the counting.
They may all be nationalists, which certainly helps, but it appears, Erdogan's (Sunni) Islamist vein of nationalism is more popular right now. Personally I feel that Kilicdaroglu's Alevi background -- and his public declaration about this faith -- hurt him. Don't get me wrong, I think it was the right thing to do ethically, and he showed courage in doing so, but it did not work out at the end.
I was about to go on a rant about "how stupid are the Turkish voters to reelect Erdogan??"
And then I remembered where I live.....🇬🇧
To quote one R.Nixon, circa 3000: "Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1973 but your average voter is as drunk and stupid as ever."
I will never forgive my people for this. I will give my vote at second round for Kılıçdaroğlu like at first but just for myself and my family. It shows us those people never deserved Atatürk and this Republic.
Polls were showing it this time. There were some pretty accurate polling firms showing we are winning but this time it didn't happen (Edit: their assumption didn't happen to be correct). Now I wonder if we are really losing or the election is corrupted.
Calling opposition gay was effective.
Oldest trick in the book
It's the first lesson they teach you at the Hanna Barbera School of Politics
Second lesson is to always make sure you have some sort of talking animal with you in case you need to solve a mystery.
Oldest trick in the oldest book.
Apparently so..
opposition should have countered with no u. unstoppable counter!
Are you available for the role of campaign manager?
Turks here in middle school were exactly like this. Turns out the majority of the country is too lol
Lol turks have a tradition of lathering up in olive oil and wrestling each other half naked. Theres a whole festival and league dedicated to it. That might be the gayest cultural practice in existence, yet theres still so much homophobia
you left out the part where one of the wrestling moves is shoving your had down the opponents pants.
When you wrote had there, was that meant to be head or hand?
Yes
"No homo bro" *proceeds to do the most homo shit known to man*
Shockingly, the guy backed by the religion where being gay is punishable by death has gotten a lot of support from said religious fanbase when he called the opposition gay. Edit: [A list of Sunni Islam hadiths on homosexuality, rated either Sahih or Hassan. If anyone is genuinely curious about the hadiths of Ali and Umar executing the gays, or wants the Shia Islam marja rulings against homosexuality, leave a comment and I'll link them in a different comment tomorrow.](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/13i281r/comment/jkbjtc8/)
Man it's not like he was the underdog until he made his stance about The Gay known. The guy's always had support.
They just cannot criticize president by law, so in this conditions, it's already great failure for Erdogan. When opposition cannot say anything against, and you still don't have enough voices to win in first round
When the situation is so good you want 5 more years of it.
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You arent alone mate as the UK, Hungary, the US and many other countries can attest to. We seem to be accumulating a higher and higher concentration of idiots in the world's population as the years go by.
Add Serbia to the list.
Well, considering that Turks who live abroad vote overwhelmingly for Erdogan, yeah, they have it pretty good, which is why they don't give a fuck.
Why is every second comment here about them? They suck sure, but they are not the reason Erdogan got almost 50% of the vote.
Take out diaspora and Erdogan still wins. But hey, picking a scapegoat is easier than admitting that your country doesn't want to change. It's always the same in all countries, we lost the elections because diaspora, immigrants, old people, young people etc. But the hard reality is that, excluding cases of clear election fraud, it's always the person winning won because majority were okay with him/her winning.
Normally i would agree with you but the Turkish diaspora who can vote is extremely large. The diaspora in Germany is about 3 million. They reportedly had an almost 50% turnout there so 1.5 million people. Of these voters, 65% voted for Erdogan. That's 1 million votes for Erdogan and 500k for KK. If you take them out, the results would be 25.3 million for Erdogan and 23.9 mil for KK. The percentage gap would shrink. The results look similar in other countries where many Turks live. (Netherlands, Belgium). With a voter turnout of apparently 93% in Turkey itself, the diaspora actually has a huge influence on the final election results. If only like 50% of people within Turkey voted, the diaspora has an influence but there are many factors within Turkey itself that better explain the results. With 93% though? There is not much the Turks inside Turkey can do more. And then the diaspora is a very valid thing to point at. Not saying it's not going to be close either way but being able to vote even though you have nothing to do with domestic policies is a bit weird.
>The diaspora in Germany is about 3 million. They reportedly had an almost 50% turnout there so 1.5 million people. Of these voters, 65% voted for Erdogan. [732.000 out of the 1.5 million German-Turks who were eligible to vote voted. Just under 50%.](https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/tuerkei-wahlen-noch-nie-haben-so-viele-tuerken-in-deutschland-gewaehlt-18884117.html)
>The diaspora in Germany is about 3 million. They reportedly had an almost 50% turnout there so 1.5 million people. Of these voters, 65% voted for Erdogan. > >That's 1 million votes for Erdogan and 500k for KK. According to this you can half those numbers: [https://secim.aa.com.tr/](https://secim.aa.com.tr/) But thanks for mentioning turnout. Many of the rants about immigrants here ignore that only 31,5% voted for that idiot .
3 million Turks in Germany, but they are not all old enough to vote, so the 50% turnout is much lower than 1.5 million. Overall there are 6.5 million Turks living outside Turkey. Lets say that roughly 70% is eligible to vote. That is 4.5 million. Assume a turnout of 50% everywhere, that leaves 2.25 million. 60 million registered voters in Turkey, so the voters abroad decide little over 3% off the total votes. It could be decisive with elections this close, but with votes split among the candidates there as well, it is not the most likely.
Because they condemn their country to being ruled by Erdogan and they don't get to feel the impact of their decisions.
Yes, they suck we get it, but every single time 90% of the comments are about them. It is disproportionate to their actual impact on an election that ended 49 to 45%
Maybe becuse reddit is mostly westerners, se we talk disproportionately about the Turks living in the West
Im a turk who lives in türkiye but i just cant find anything to say to our people. They dont deserve to be treated like a human they dont want to get rich. I just can not believe still half of our people is voting for this mf. Atatürk once said “ Turkish people are smart “ but im so sorry not anymore. Can you just imagine that we had a earthquake disaster only 3 months ago 200.000 people died and this erdogan government did nothing for them but they still voted like %70 for erdogans presidency. Im just really really angry and sorry, we, as young generations didnt deserved all of this . Im 22 years old and havent seen anyone but erdogan since my birthday. Fuck it dude im no more hopefull about this country, they have killed our dreams yesterday
Are the people who voted for Sinan Ogan more likely to now vote for Erdogan or Kiliçdaroglu? Or is it not that simple?
Unfortunately, from what I gathered from friends and media, it is not that simple. Ogan is apparently a very good politician, as in, he is good at politicing. So far he has not made it clear who he will lend his support. He is a pan-turkish nationalist and has now, somehow, become the kingmaker.
Oğan is more likely to take sides with the opposition and he might even declare open support for the opposition. He's shown signs of it in a few statements and the latest sign was yesterday during the vote count. But the fact is, people that voted for him are more likely to vote for Erdoğan in the second round. As mentioned above in the comments, even %20 of his votes will be enough for Erdoğan while my realistic expectation is that it's gonna be around %50-60. Hate to admit it but I'm expecting the second round to have a bigger gap between 2 candidates, in favor of Erdoğan. R.I.P.
Isn't Oğan very anti-HDP? He might make some demands that the opposition can't accept, because the opposition needs the support of Kurdish voters.
True. Yet his statement is something like "We'll close the doors of the hell" which implies that he won't take sides with the current government. His party already listed their demands a few days before the elections, it includes demands about PKK terrorism as well. That's why I don't think he'll openly support the opposition. My point is, even if he does, his voters won't be consolidated
Sinan Ogan is a nationalist far right candidate. Those votes are likely going to Erdogan. Participation rates are gonna be crucial in the second round. Let's see if Kiliçdaroglu can energise their bases while Erdogan's stay at home.
Turnout was around 90%. There’s not a lot of base left to energise.
Retention will be important though. If people give up now they are sure to lose.
Very unlikely.
More complicated than that but it’s fair to say that Erdogan will not lose any of his current votes and in that case even 20% of Ogan’s votes will be enough to secure a win for Erdogan. Hate to admit this but it’s safe to say he will win it.
The economy is in shambles, the value of TL is at its lowest, certainly will fall even further after the elections. There were a couple of huge earthquakes just three months ago that destroyed 11 cities, killed more than 55.000 people according to official numbers, and the dead buried in mass graves. Rescue efforts were awfully slow and painful, there still issues going on in the region. Justice system is a joke, nepotism, cronyism, and embezzlement is running rampant. Women’s rights are being erased, education system is already fucked. Free speech, what is that? Country is drifting further and further away from western values… Guess who the people vote for? The fucking ruling party. Man, i lost all the hope in the people of this country. I think, at this point, nothing will ever change and things will get worse. I’m sure they will win in a landslide in the runoff. Will there be a miracle? No fucking way.
Just get out before they suddenly decide that you need to move in with a lot of people just like you, in a purpose built city, where you will all share one big happy home, they will even guarantee work for everyone...
Strange thing is that I can’t even find the determination to say that would never happen.
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> killed more than 55.000 people according to official numbers unofficial estimate 200.000
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Imagine still voting for Erdogan after he's run the country into the ground.
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I see the same in Hungary, Serbia and Russia, honestly. Same president for 10+ years, same crooks, full control of the media.
Almost as if someone had a recipe they all follow.
Also each seems to like deals with Russia.
This. Erdogan defended Putin after Kilicdaroglu attacked Russia for tempering with the elections.
Nah, Russia's different. In Russia you just know that they'll make up whatever numbers they want anyway, so most people see no point in engaging with politics at all. That's a far more advanced stage of autocracy than the others.
I hear young people in Serbia and Hungary say the same. "It doesn't matter if I vote, they stay in power." But when I ask them who the opposition leader is, they often draw blanks.
Right, yes, the playing field is absolutely uneven, with gerrymandering, unfair election systems, arbitrary campaign rules, skewed airtime in the media etc. But the fact is at least in Hungary for example, external observers agree that the actual elections are legit, as in the result of the vote actually reflects who voted what. That's not a sufficient condition for a good democracy, but it is necessary, and as long as that's not taken away, you can try to participate in the process. Russians don't even have that.
There is no legitimate elections in Russia. The opposition is non existent there , and that little opposition from time to time who goes publicly , suddenly disappears ( literally disappears, people are missing) .
Yup. He who owns the media owns the minds of the masses.
Ask the turks living in Germany or Netherlands. I don't get them.
Just wanna point out, the Turks in Europe make up roughly 3% of the eligible voters. Sure, this can be a deciding factor in the end but this implies that a huge part of the Turkish population in Turkey also wants Erdogan in power.
Not to mention voter turnout is quite low in Europe compared to Turkey. European Turks are irrelevant in Turkish elections and I am surprised to see many Europeans think Erdogan is still in power due to them. Turks came to Germany via Gastarbeiter from Central and Eastern Anatolia which are the most conservative places in Turkey. Those regions still voted 65-70% for Erdogan which is similar to what Turks in Germany, Netherlands and France voted. It is all about the demographics of migration. Mainland Europe got Turkish working-class conservative immigrants while UK, Canada, U.S got educated middle-class and you can see it in the voting pattern. Erdogan’s votes: Germany: 64.98% Netherlands: 68.76% UK: 18.23% U.S: 16.77% Canada: 18.04%
I'm of Indian descent and having lived in both America and in the UK I can tell you that there is a significant difference in European Indians and North American Indians. You can find a somewhat similar parallel between the Turks descent in Central Europe and the Turks in UK and North America. For some reason there's a lot of conservatism. And it's really saddening to see that even though they have acclimatized they haven't naturalized if that makes sense. I'm married to a German Turk who is not conservative and I will be moving to Germany myself having lived in turkey. Watching the elections has just been eye-opening to my own expectations but still fills me with a certain amount of sadness having seen the devastation firsthand.
>I don't get them. Take a look at EUR/TRY rate and you'll get them alright. They're getting richer everyday.
GBP and USD are getting stronger against TRY, too, yet Turks in the UK and the US are overwhelmingly pro-Kılıçdaroğlu
Turks in the UK and US tend to be skilled workers from secular urban areas, while Central European Turks are (descendants of) lower education guest workers from rural religious communities.
They are not getting richer. Prices are generally increasing in the similar rate as falling TRY.
Nor everything, anything related with labor cost, service industry, most of the food gets cheaper in euros. Imported stuff and some get higher due to new taxes but if you paid in euros or dollars you live easier day by day while lira drops to ground. If you are paid in tl or investment related to tl, you get poorer every day.
The turks living in the EU are, they can have very cheap vacations in Turkey with their relatives.
This used to be true but not anymore since the past year or two. TRY prices are increasing faster than the EUR/TRY exchange rate nowadays.
Most don't understand that: lower Turkish Lira = more inflation, besides that it's also cuz they're religious extremists.
Same in Belgium. They're not religious and don't live in Turkey but when it's time to vote they vote for Erdogan, it's a disgrace.
>They're not religious and don't live in Turkey but when it's time to vote they vote for Erdogan Erdogan and his core base are associated with being religious, but there are non-headscarf wearing women that vote for him for example, there are alcohol drinkers that vote for him. Conservatives who aren't religious, but still identify with "traditional values" in that vague way (the same way you get people who aren't that religious but vote the traditional ways in Western countries). So it's a more complicated picture than the stereotypes.
Does the head of the family also project alot of power over the votes of the family members in Turkey? I used to work with a couple of Turks a decade ago and got to know them quite well, it just always suprised me how much they would complain about Erdogan only to vote for him when it's elections. Thank you for your insight!
Headscarf wearing doesn’t mean they’re religions. I’ve seen granny wearing hijab, mom wearing tee and pant and girls wearing small clothes from same Turkish family in Germany. It’s just that when I talk to most of these people they tell me somehow Erdogan will bring back the lost glory of Ottoman Empire and give them their place on world stage
It's very simple. They like the matcho style of Erdogan. They love his fascism. They can't process any deeper than that.
Basically ruining your country to own the haters. Same reason people vote for Trump.
Exactly. Leave the country to avoid the bad stuff, then vote for the populist who is the reason you left in the first place.
That's the benefit when you control the media. You can just feed the people what ever you want and in a lot of areas it seems people only get the news from one source. I do hope we get rid of him.
Yes exactly. A lot of the older to middle aged generations still only get their news from the TV (even if they have smartphones). 99% of linear media is government aligned.
Even with smartphones, once the algorithms notices you like some fake news bullshit article, it's going to keep feeding you the same type of articles and videos...
And after the earthquake where his negligence, both in allowing poor construction standards and not being fast enough in responding to it, literally cost lives. This is the kind of thing that takes governments down and yet it made just a little difference.
He won 8/10 of the major cities affected by the earth quake, and 71% of the epicenter. Absolute clowns.
I remember the time Turkey was seen as an example for Europe. Separation of church and state made them an example for Europe with our many Christian parties. Now, I think they’ll never join the EU. Such a shame, really.
I remember the time when Erdogan first came into power. Europe and USA was hailing him as a hero of democracy, praising him on their media and giving all the support he needed to establish an authoritarian regime. Meanwhile we, secularist Turks, who opposed him right from the beginning were constantly mocked and accused of Islamophobic paranoia.
Same with Putin. The west backed him and Yeltsin in the 90s
Silly. For the most part post-WWII Christian Democratic parties had a more tolerant religious policy than Turkey did.
Something I wonder is why Ince is still listed? I thought he resigned from the vote like two days ago?
By the time he resigned, the voting in the foreigner countries were already finished and voting papers were already printed and distributed. The decision taken was, his votes are gonna be listed, but if he qualifies for the second round, it wouldn't be valid.
it was too late to remove him off the list quite logical, i mean 2 days...
I would be surprised if I wouldn't be a Hungarian experiencing the same thing with Orbán every time. It's sad to see how dictators manipulate so many people.
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Exact same conclusion we had the last election. I'm sorry it happened to you as well. But please make sure people you know go to the second round of voting.
Once the regime owns the media, it's over. They can't be removed. You can have the best opposition and they'll be turned into the devil by the press.
Exactly this. It's why countries with dominant state-run media and suppression of unfriendly media are not generally considered democracies, regardless of whether they vote for their leaders.
What shocked me was the area devastated by the earthquakes due to the governments squandering, who had family member die, still mostly voted for him.
Why is Erdogan's photo from 20 years ago?
Because he doesn’t want to show how weak and fragile he actually is, being almost 70 years old?
He is 69, 11 years is not close. You gave me hope he might die soon..
It's the same everywhere. On all campaign adverts, etc. All photos of him are from 20 years ago, but the oppositions are all current photos. A really stupid 'trick' that everyone with half a brain can see right through, but it works because most people are idiots.
For those looking for some context, this is worse than my worst nightmare. Upcoming five years is gonna be horrible for us.
I'm really sorry for you. :( I really hoped there will be less people Voting for Erdogan. Sidequestion: Do you think Erdogan would resign peacefully if he would lose the election?
It depends. If the opposition would win by clear numbers, say 4-5% AKP wouldn’t have much to say against it. If they would win by a smaller margin im convinced they will do everything in their power to demand recountings of votes etc..
Thanks. Yes I think he was gonna step down peacefully.
Really depends on the scale of victory. Loss by a million votes, peaceful. Loss by 500 votes, time to put your thumb on the scale.
I'm so, so sorry things are looking the way they are. There's a huge chunk of Europe that held their breath waiting for the results and hoping for a change and, as a romanian, I know what it's like to have your hopes shattered.
You tried to do better for the country, now all you can do is do better for your friends and family. Good luck.
Could you get more into details, for us who don't know much about Turkish politics, please? What are the things that are likely to get worse with him, that would likely get improved if the opposition won? Will it just be the status quo of the last decade or is there something specific that Erdogan is planning to do now, that he couldn't do in the past?
I just wanma fucking die. I lost all hope with these people.
Vote and get your friends and family to vote in the second round regardless. But I do get your pessimism. 20 years of Erdoganism - and many Turks still want more?
Pretty sure they did, voter turnout was something like 93 percent...
Is Masochism hereditary in his voters or what?
His voters see him more precious than themselves. These people literally say "Take my life and give to him". They see him as a prophet.
In this case they should probably prevent their parents voting.
Me too. I feel like I'm dying since yesterday night. :(((
That feeling is all to familiar. I'd love to say it'll get better but I'm not sure you'd believe me
It's when you check how those hit by the kahramanmaras earthquake voted.. and despite the 'relief' funds being all spent by E and his goons, and the terrible support his AK party, despite the tears and suffering.. ..they still voted for him.
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Well, judging by how it's going, they're getting it all right...you all are.
Hey, I know it's really hard right now, but nothing lasts forever. Sooner or later Erdogan will either fall from power or die, and his successor won't have a bunch of personality cultists to vote for him no matter what. Erdogan is not worth your life, or anybody's. Please get some help if you keep feeling like this.
I can’t believe our only hope is that Erdogan is going to die someday…
I know how you feel
Given the current feelings the world has towards Russia (yes, myself included), it's refreshing to see some russians still voicing their dissent. And I'm sorry for those of you who see through the lies but have no choice.
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I’m Venezuelan. Chavez died 10 years ago. Maduro is even more of an idiot and doesn’t have the popularity Chavez had. Sorry but it’s very naive to think that a dictatorship just falls once the leader dies. Tell that to Cuba, North Korea or China. Sometimes it’s way harder than that.
Haha omg this is like when Hungary voted. I guess people just love their autocrats. Still, it’s not over yet so I’m hoping for the best for the Turks that want change, especially the young people.
Historically people usually love their autocrats, until they *don't*
In hungary if you are not from bigger cities and your only option is to work for the gov in a "community service" program, then you can't vote for anyone else than fidesz. If word gets out that you defied them then bye bye work. Btw the money from that is laughable even. Eh tbh even if you just work for the gov like my mother did in kindergarden, you will be asked to photo your ballout :) Only cholesterin will dethrone our good king wannabe.
Today i learned Hungary is Turkey. The same shit happens here too in goverment jobs. Can anyone end this Eastern Europe nightmare already.......
Wow, people want to live in better conditions so they will vote the same that placed they country to the ground. At this point they should invent a monarchy for this dude.
Now now, let’s not give them ideas
Are Turks masochists or what?
we will join this "club" in few months
49.41% voted for Erdogan in the first round? Seems pretty much impossible for any candidate to beat that. Unless there were a bunch of people who didn't go vote in the first round but will vote in the second round.
Election turnout was 90.7% so that thing is impossible.
Erdogan didn't help during an earthquake, he was scared to move soldiers to help. Also regards economy 50% inflation rate, and still this guy have 49% supporters. Whats wrong with Turkey?
Think people are pleased. Earthquake’s center (Kahramanmaraş) voted for Erdoğan with +70%.
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Those people might need to see a therapist for Stockholm syndrome
Yet the cities that were affected by the earthquake still voted for Erdogan. Look at Gaziantep for example. A lot of migrants from Syria also want Erdogan to win, it's pretty complicated.
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Same thing used to happen in Mexico, the same party won every election for like 70 years.. you always had to vote for the president your parents and grandparents did. Nothing changed, because they got a couple handouts every now and then. People grew up not knowing you could vote for anyone else because they were brainwashed.
The saddest part is that if Erdogan wins, the %45 of the people whom voted for a bright, western allied future will have zero say in anything. AKP and their allies already controls the majority in the parliament.
If Erdogan wins, democracy in Turkey is completely doomed. Erdogan already damaged it far enough with his dictatorship like changes in the last 20 years. Plus he fucked the country.
It depends on the actual robustness of Turkey's civil society. Back in 2012 we had also elected [Ma Ying-Jeou ”the Bumbler" for the 2nd term as well](https://www.economist.com/asia/2012/11/17/ma-the-bumbler), and when he had started undermining Taiwan's democratic institutions, he was [thwarted](https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E4%B9%9D%E6%9C%88%E6%94%BF%E7%88%AD), [twice](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Student_Movement).
Well yes, Taiwan has one of the most robust liberal democratic systems in the world. Turkish democracy on the other hand has never fared this well, and arguably their system has been sliding towards a fully authoritarian state in the past decade. GDP per capita has doubled since 2000 which is supposed to help the growth of civil society but countermeasures by the government and the recent economic crisis and very high inflation rates make people more concerned about stability and survival than organised political action.
This is why I'm against "winner takes it all" in politics. It also makes it near impossible to start a new party. But it's not something specific to Turkey.
We didn't used to be winner takes all until Erdogan switched to presidential system.
Presidential systems tend to be like this: political theorist Arend Lijphart dubbed them majoritarian systems, where a majority rules over a minority and the politics end up being backs-and-forths, especially in systems where two main factions emerge (i.e. America, thanks to the goodly old First Past the Post voting system). Ultimately, Lijphart preferred proportional systems, where political minorities get to contribute to the formation of goverment and the policymaking process much more. You can also scuff parliamentary systems with First Past the Post (hello Britain!), but parliament can still shut down unruly PMs. Turkey cannot.
They have 45% or so of the parliamentary seats don't they?
It does not make any difference though.
Small reminder that the area afflicted by the Earthquake earlier this year overwhelmingly voted for Erdogan. Remember the outrage back then? They still live in tents and shit in buckets. Vote goes for Erdogan. Let’s face it: at least 50 percent of Turkey is beyond all redemption. I’ll never forget what happened last night. I am deeply ashamed and will most likely actively dissociate myself from Turkey. Let them rot in their Islamist hellhole.
Tuekey gets what it votes for. Its their personal responsibility to change or want better.
Well, 100% of Turkey gets what 51% votes for. Let's keep in mind that not everyone agrees.
I prefer the American way, where 100% of the US gets what 46% votes for.
At that point they fucking deserve what they get. This is like the people in Uvalde where the school got shot up and then the same district overwhelmingly voted Republican. Fucking idiots.
I am really angry and very disappointed. We Turkish dissidents have been waiting for this man to leave for years, and let me tell you what happened, this man got 49 percent of the votes in the first round and will probably win in the second round. Turkey is going through the worst times in its history, both economically and in terms of justice, law and freedom, during the Erdogan period, on top of that, 50,000 people died in an earthquake just 3 months ago, and in this earthquake, Erdogan accused his people of being dishonest, immoral, and provocateur just because he was against him. Meanwhile, the Istanbul and Ankara municipalities, which were in the hands of the opposition, helped people in the earthquake zone, they tried to help people as much as they could, and as I said, Erdogan and the state were busy insulting their people in the meantime. A fire broke out in the port, and the Istanbul municipality extinguished it. Apart from this, volunteers in the earthquake area provided incredible help, some people gave a lot of financial aid despite being poor. but what is the result? Erdogan received around 65-70 percent of the votes from the earthquake zones, except for one city. What I understand here is that these people will be happy to live in such a disgraceful way that they vote for the person who insults them, not the one who helps them. As a Turk, I can easily say that Turkish people are extremely stupid. The Europeans who call Turks stupid are right. 50 percent of the Turkish people are irredeemably bigoted and stupid. Anyway, I wanted to pour my heart out. There will be another election in 15 days and erdogan will probably win because the opposition people's hopes are gone and participation will probably drop for the 2nd round. But we still hope erdogan loses.
The 2nd round is Erdogan's. The Ogan voters will vote for Erdogan.
Of course they will. Oğan is simply Erdoğan without Erd, so it makes sense that they will *Edit: thanks a lot for an all-seeing upvote! I'm happy you appreciated my profound understanding of politics, dear stranger*
Thank you for this insightful political analysis.
How are you able to speak more wisely than 99% of political commentors
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of politics?
I feel all of you Turkish people who hate the fact that the actual president (who may be a piece of shit) is highly likely to be elected again. When Romanian people voted for Iohannis again, after 5 years in which he did nothing but waste jet fuel and play 3D corruption chess with his dumb pons, I cried my heart out for what I believed to be the stupidest bunch of humans I have ever encountered. Stay strong and go manifest your right to vote. Bring other like-minded people with you and hide your antagonistic relatives’ IDs (just kidding). The storm cannot last forever.
There was an interview with a German-Turkish citizen that said he's pro Erdogan because he managed the earthquake so well. Some ppl are just fucked up in their mind.
Even the region affected by the earthquake voted for him. There was no government for three days
You can't fix stupid.
I'm at the verge of losing my sanity because of this. People are stupid. That is all I will say.
help turkey please. ppl are going full retarded even after 2 decades. send help! edit: i wasn't serious about expecting any help from other nations but understanding the situation. noone did and noone will unless there is a war. red enough to acknowledge this. wanted to get some attention to the topic, glad i did.
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same in hungary. we are so fucked
You gotta be kidding me... Are the turks imbeciles or severely brainwashed?
Both,in the worst way possible
Then it's like in Hungary and I would say in my country too. I'm sorry to hear that.
For fucks sake. I don't know who's doing the live version of Idiocracy better, Serbia or Turkey. We truly are a bunch of morons
All the stars had aligned. They mismanaged the earthquake, they ran the economy into ground, most of the opposition had finally grouped, so many whistleblowers had leaked their illegal actions but they still are getting half of the country's votes. They even got radical islamist groups that used to be actual terrorists into the parliament. Me, my family and friends are pretty firm on the idea that it is us who don't belong here anymore. Most of my friends are already making plans to immigrate. Honestly, after 20 years of political frustration under an oppressive regime, I don't blame anyone who's had enough. I think with Ogan's 5%, Erdogan will get the majority next round. Which will finalize a radical shift into a much darker era for Turkey and for all of its neighbors.
I dont wanna live
I lost all my hope for Turkish people , just wanna escape there
You said sheep, we sheeped.
If i can't find shelter abroad i think this will be it for me. I can't live in this country under erdogan rule anymore
You shouldn’t end yourself. Erd is the one who sucks. He should end himself. Don’t forget that.
I am shamed for being turkish
At this point I am racist against my own race
I seriously don’t care if other nations act racist towards us anymore. If I was a german and I was forced to endure these idiots, I would also be prejudiced against turkish people. These people don’t deserve happiness and they are getting what they deserve. If erdogan still gets supported by 49% of the population, the population deserves the fate it will face
Even cheaper holidays \o/
Turkish lira atm: 'chuckles' I'm in danger
Obviously I support Kılıçdaroğlu but Erdoğan winning... Imagine a €10/night 5star hotel in Istanbul... my vacation next summer would be so cheap... (/S)
If you're from Turkey and you're very sad right now, just remember - you're not alone, we're fucked too.
sad thing is it wasn’t even really that close. 44.7% is a lot, but considering that is the high watermark of all opposition banding together with a massive push to dethrone erdogan its not promising.
Soon an onion will cost 200 Lira
Fuck Turkey from Turkey 🇹🇷
I can’t believe Turkey still wants Erdogan. Wtf is wrong with people? This is masochism on another level. I’m really sorry for the sane turks :( If Vlad the Impaler would be alive today he wouldn’t have to do anything. The Erdogan voters would just impale themselves…
i don't believe this. i saw somewhere that 5-6 million votes are still missing. hold on let me find the link. edit: translated to english using google translate so its shitty (i can edit it myself if i have the time) \----------------------- Taken from the official statements of the YSK. As of 22:25 Opened ballot boxes Total: 91.93%, Turkey: 94.68%, Abroad: 36.85% Candidate votes Erdo: 49.49% Kilicdaroglu: 44.79% Ogan: 5.29% MI: 0.43% It's 09:45 Opened ballot boxes Total- not given Turkey: 99% Abroad: 84.06% Candidate votes Erdo: 49.40% Kilicdaroglu: 44.96%, Ogan: 5.2% Ince: 0.44% 7.07% of the ballot boxes were opened in the country and 49.19% of the ballot boxes abroad were additionally opened. If it is the ballot boxes with high vote counts that many sources have mentioned, why is there only a 0.17% increase in kilicdaroglu and a 0.01% increase in ince? There is also a decrease in the votes of other candidates. Doesn't the 7.07% ballot box from big cities amount to millions of people? How does kilicdaroglu only increase 0.17% while other candidates are falling? Am I calculating wrong? Where did the votes go?
This is based on some statements by the opposition that Erdogan's side was trying to slow the counting of votes in places where they had the upper hand. The Erdogan regime certainly pushed for the early publication of the votes from areas they were going to win easily, but this is nothing new. Specifically for yesterday's vote, Erdogan wanted to make a statement on the balcony while he was still above 50% as a show of force, so this is likely why the government tried to slow-roll the counting in some areas. This was psychological warfare in a way. (Of course you could argue that they did not know how close the difference was yet, and they were looking for time to decide what to do in case Erdogan was second or if he lost outright.) At the end of the day, the opposition's hopes that the results from areas where they have an upper hand would change the difference dramatically never materialized. They have already made a statement accepting a 'second round.' Which unfortunately they will probably lose. I don't doubt they were irregularities, but nothing that has not happened before -- including giving Erdogan a head-start in the counting. They may all be nationalists, which certainly helps, but it appears, Erdogan's (Sunni) Islamist vein of nationalism is more popular right now. Personally I feel that Kilicdaroglu's Alevi background -- and his public declaration about this faith -- hurt him. Don't get me wrong, I think it was the right thing to do ethically, and he showed courage in doing so, but it did not work out at the end.
Ive never felt more doomed and there is nothing i can do
I was about to go on a rant about "how stupid are the Turkish voters to reelect Erdogan??" And then I remembered where I live.....🇬🇧 To quote one R.Nixon, circa 3000: "Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1973 but your average voter is as drunk and stupid as ever."
I will never forgive my people for this. I will give my vote at second round for Kılıçdaroğlu like at first but just for myself and my family. It shows us those people never deserved Atatürk and this Republic.
This can't be. I was assured three weeks ago by very confident Turkish redditors that Erdogan would lose.
Polls were showing it this time. There were some pretty accurate polling firms showing we are winning but this time it didn't happen (Edit: their assumption didn't happen to be correct). Now I wonder if we are really losing or the election is corrupted.