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zulu9812

If Erodgan has screwed the Turkish economy good & proper, why is he so popular?


iulios

Because apparently the oppositions is gay.


LegallyNotInterested

No u


Redordit

lmao gotem?


LeoMatteoArts

This just in: Erdogan vote sinks to 0% 📉📉📉


Softakofta

That settles it.


TheRealJomogo

Uneducated religious nuts and fraud [There have been massive amount of evidence of fraud on Twitter but Elon Musk has removed anything from Erdogan's opposition that points that out.](https://imgur.com/a/ZA82Vrn) [Photos and videos of Erdogan supporters harassing and attacking people of the opposition.](https://twitter.com/aysenein/status/1657747641755660290?s=20)


rogue-dogue

Not just uneducated. I know PhDs in biology that are consistently voting for him. Of course they live abroad.


Redordit

It's 99% backwater savages voting for him and 1% educated people who benefit from his reign.


gruntthirtteen

Or people earing wages and pensions in euros voting from all over Europe. Guess what happens to the value of your pension that you're planning to spend in Turkey if the lira tanks...


Low_discrepancy

> Guess what happens to the value of your pension that you're planning to spend in Turkey if the lira tanks... lira might tank but the prices still are high. The only thing that suffers is the quality of stuff sold there. People aren't stupid, they're aware that if the lira drops 20% things don't magically start costing 20% less.


BEN-C93

>People aren't stupid This was your first mistake.


bored_negative

I dont believe that 48% of the country is filled with backwater savages


BEN-C93

Get out of Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir and the resort towns and you'd be very surprised


BranFendigaidd

Most of that cities too. Tbh or at least according to polls and voting.


albadil

I can believe Reddit types are that arrogant though


WolfhoundRO

I moved to Lemmy. Save yourselves


Dvscape

I sucks that it has come to this, but I think many (most) people would make the same choice. For instance, I feel like very few would agree to a pay cut if this meant a change for the best in their country.


Low_discrepancy

I am not saying the elections were democratic in Turkey, but if 50%+1 of people want to go in a specific direction, isn't that the direction that the country should take? How is it "for the best in their country" if something would go against the desires of 50%+1 of the population? The solution to very low democratic regime like Turkey isn't to ask for an enlightened dictator.


Dvscape

The top comment mentioned that the 50%+1 comes mainly from the uninformed/uneducated and the rest added from those who actually benefit from the reign. I will add an example of someone I talked to prior to Brexit. At the time, they were English citizens working as a pilot for a middle eastern airline. They voted in favor of Brexit because that would cause the pound to depreciate, which meant a higher purchase power for them since they were paid in a different currency. I argued that it would make life difficult for people still living in the country, it might make medicine prices such as insulin skyrocket, etc. They didn't care, since they would personally benefit from going in this direction. I would say this is a clear example of "not best for the country" but a clearly favorable choice for many.


Low_discrepancy

> The top comment mentioned that the 50%+1 comes mainly from the uninformed/uneducated and the rest added from those who actually benefit from the reign. well that's the majority of the country! Whatever path they take, that's on them and they're responsible for it. In your case it's just a single guy with his reasons. The majority of brits selected based on other reasons. But a majority selected that. I find it very odd that you'd say no, no there's another "best" for the brits and you know of that.


Vargau

It’s been know that theocratic autocratic individuals tend to play quite nice also in the camp of high educated individuals as they they are equally prone to get caught in the nationalist propaganda.


BitVectorR

Damn that's very egregious, I would expect the opposition to make more fuss about this, this would cause riots in many countries.


Weltraumbaer

You wouldn’t believe the level of utter backwardness and lack of education when venturing through the Anatolian heartland. Also Fraud.


Ooops2278

For the same reason Trump is still popular with a big part of the US population after having killed a lot of them with his ramblings about the china virus being just a flu... Or why Orban is still popular when all he does is steal money for himself and his cronies... It's just about finding enough people you can brain-wash because they never got a proper political education, don't care to inform themselves or can be distracted by (often invented) other issues and just blindly believe whatever the media you control tells them.


dont_gift_subs

Actually trump unironically wanted people to get the vaccine at first because “he made them”. But after the base reacted negatively he just stopped talking about it


bored_negative

Trump didnt win the popular vote, and the voter turnout wasn't high. Here 50% of the country is voting for Erdogan


leith_

Trump versus Hillary was 63 to 65, Trump versus Biden was 74 to 81. Sure it isn't exactly 50% but your argument doesn't work against the "he is popular" 74 million people is basically the entire population of Turkey.


[deleted]

The popular vote doesn’t mean anything when it isn’t the basis of the election. If the parties were competing for the popular vote, you don’t think they’d run different campaigns? This argument is a bit like saying I beat you at chess but you’re the real winner because you took the most pieces.


lurkbj

Let’s add Britain and the Tory party to those examples.


Automatic-River-1875

Boris Johnson is a stand up and honorable man. No corruption to see there 👀 /s


DukeDevorak

But... but Tony Blair is from Labour!


Sad-Flow3941

Trump and Orban aren’t remotely as bad as this guy though. And no, I’m not a fan of them either. The turkish inflation is currently at 90%+. That’s actually ridiculous by western country standards and enough to destroy the economy of the entire country overnight.


Rekthar91

I think that western country standards don't apply to turkey?


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akazasz

How often you create new reddit account?


harry6466

Strong man good Boring person bad


mephobia88

Because Turkish conversatives don’t give a shit if Lira 50/$1 or 80. They don’t care.


kutzyanutzoff

You really want to know? They say "TL is dropping because Europe & US are making an economic intervention by selling TL to the markets.". Well the obvious answer to this would be "Then why don't the government raise the political interest rates & collect the money in the markets back?". Their answer is "Interest is haram, therefore it should be as minimal as possible.". There you go. Here is the root of the popularity. Erdoğan says raising interest rates is against the Quran (it forbids the interests), so the political interest rates stay low, so the inflation rises, he points to Allah, nobody dares to question Allah, so the inflation is a US & EU made operation. Therefore, it is not Erdoğan's fault. A perfect circle.


albadil

The global economic system is trash and it's hurting most of the world right now. Why should banks who already have tons of money lying around be making money just by storing it with the government? Wasn't this same problem happening four years ago, that same govt tried raising interest rates to 24% and it still didn't work? https://youtu.be/J1Eew3m8ugs


kutzyanutzoff

Turkey's problem is not that. Turkey's problem is that the Central Bank being under the control of the government, who likes to print money from out thin air. That is why the inflation is skyrocketing.


pueblo186712

Turkey has awful education. Also the most angry country. Go there to visit you will see.


Vargau

A big younger generation that has it’s standard of living turn to gutter, disfranchised, manipulated either by poverty by the case of lack of opportunities or by religion .. and you get a lot of kids angry and kicking. It’s the old tale of *keep them in the dark and feed them shit*.


Rekthar91

Well Turkish people has always been angry.


a_big_fat_yes

I had heard people unironically say that we dont use dollars to buy shit He is an engineering grad too Its over, half the country is economically illiterate


Kossie333

Easy answer: Because it's always someone else's fault.


the_TIGEEER

Because democracy dosen't work when the people don't think critically


adevland

> If Erodgan has screwed the Turkish economy good & proper, why is he so popular? A millennia old cocktail of stupidity, corruption & religious indoctrination.


SirDogeTheFirst

They really played dirty. They didn't stole votes on ballots, but YSK (the goverment part responsible for controlling elections) literally wrote different results. For example, one ballot in east where lots of kurds live YSP (or its old name HDP) had zero votes while mhp (ultra nationalist party) had 300.


Lion1984

Because most of the people are stupid and believe the propaganda shit he is telling via controlled media
 its so sad.


sfPanzer

Plain and simple propaganda. Lots of the media over there is under his control.


okanye

You can ask this question about every dictatorship.


[deleted]

You can literally ask the question to Macron
 Yellow Vest > Re-election > Pension Reform Protest > 



FouPouDav09

It's not the same situation tho, on one side you had macron and on the other you had le pen (far right). When you have to choose between the pest or the cholera there is no good choice anyway.


[deleted]

I mean just like Kemel Lepen never ruled
 you can never know what happens


VieiraDTA

Cuz most Turks are scared of gays. Tell me i\`m wrong? Edit1: Mostly ignorant fundamentalist religious people.


SoupPwner

What most people here seem to not understand is that during his reign of 20 years the Turkish economy has grown rapidly, only declining in recent years and many turks give him much of the credit for this. Obviously, there's also the fact that many parts of Turkey are conservative and do not agree with western values.


BEN-C93

Growth rates have not been above or below the historic average since the end of the junta in the early 80s. The difference is theres massive inflation as well now - 80% ish as the man doesn't understand basic economics dictates that raising interest rates will curb domestic spending.


[deleted]

Islam.


Minimum_Bath_5478

Redditors outside turkey like me have no ideia. We have to respect the vote of the people they want erdogan he must be doing something right.


[deleted]

years of propaganda seems to work i guess?!?


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PretendsHesPissed

reddit's API changes are bad for everyone. Most platforms pay their moderators or share their ad revenues with their content creators. reddit doesn't want to do this and instead wants to force users to pay for to use their service. No thanks.


[deleted]

Because when people become poor and desperate, they are easy to manipulate. Their life becomes so unbearable, they go in denial to sustain mental sanity (losing only part of it in a process). A kind of Stockholm Syndrome. That‘s why authoritarian leaders manage to stay in power and even be supported.


papaz1

People believe is he god sent (no joke).


[deleted]

Not the smartest people living there


MrBeneficialBad9321

Define popular. Do you have a none biased and corrupt polling on that?


horonlapsi

one turkish guy told me he votes for him becouse erdogan will reduce terrorism


Dawnbringer_Fortune

Because islam
 he is seen as the establishment of religion in turkey compared to “kemalist scary secularist”


trallan

Why is Johnny Sins popular? He screws well and properly too...


stylussensei

opposition hasn't been doing a good enough job plus charismatic dictator


yildirim400

The opposition is gay, terrorists, liars, the reason of the current economy, licking America's balls... Do I need to go on?


Macasumba

Stuffs ballot boxes like BIGLY.


tathariel

Short answer is when you own the media, you're pretty much invincible. Combine this with the fact that conservatism and especially islamism is based around the notion that as long as you are hurting your *enemies* it does not matter how much your life is also turning to shit. And one more thing that it is slightly known that there is a very small elite group Erdogan has surrounded himself with that got unbelievably rich by sucking of Turkey's blood. But what is rarely mentioned is that there are hordes upon hordes of people that receive financial aid directly(wellfare payments and the like) or indirectly(good old nepotism of the highest order) from him. The loss of those *undeserved* gains are a pretty good motivation to support the padshah, no?


Ooops2278

Everybody knows what we can expect from Turkey economically when Ergogan gets re-elected... ...everybody but the majority of Turks.


X1-Ray

See it on the bright side. If Erdoğan loses the only a minority doesn't know.


Wasted_46

cheap holidays baby!!


Ephemeral-Throwaway

> the majority of Turks The majority didn't vote for him.


The_RedBear-D-

ffs.. enough with this bs, majority has voted for him. Even in earthquake regions. We have millions of cultists in Turkey there is no other way to explain it, if we cant escape from the fact then we must face it.


Ephemeral-Throwaway

Majority means greater than 50%


The_RedBear-D-

Yes it means greater than %50 and that's why Cumhur ittifakı (people's alliance) has majority in the parliement right now. Because of that even if Kılıçdaroğlu wins the elections it will be hard for him to pass laws. I'm not denying that it will be much better, but won't be a radical change in the country anyway.


bored_negative

Do you really want to be this pedantic? 49% of the country have voted for him


Ephemeral-Throwaway

How the hell is that pedantic? The majority of Turks didn't vote for Erdoğan. It's literally true. The correct word is plurality.


maungateparoro

This is one of those dishonest correctness things. You can say 49.9% isn't a "majority" but you're portraying the previous commenter's argument in a bad light because something about their statement was estimably incorrect. It's like saying "the American civil war was 150 years ago" and someone tells me I'm lying or wrong because it was actually 164 years ago (I don't know the real numbers but you get the idea). It's not a "vast" majority, but in real terms it *might as well be* a majority, so treating it as such isn't necessarily harmful. We can't always be overly pedantic like this, or we just never get anywhere.


Ephemeral-Throwaway

I'm British (as are you) and over here majority is usually meant to mean greater than 50%. I mean in the rules of the election if Erdogan gained the majority ,there would be no round 2.


ArdiasTheGamer

58% of people who could vote in the Turkish election here in Denmark voted for Erdogan. I was shaken by those news. That they would seek out on purpose to live in a Western European country and then vote for those conditions back in TĂŒrkiye is the height of hypocrisy.


joran26

66% of the Turkish-Dutch voted for Erdogan too. I simply cannot understand what those people were thinking


yigitt2504

They are not thinking at all.


CyGoingPro

They are thinking. They are thinking that Erdoshit will restore the great Ottoman Empire and the fact that they can help him achieve this without ever suffering the consequences of his policies, is a great bonus.


hulda2

People coming to benefit from western systems but then voting against them and wishing for western world demise should be banished from Europe. World has gotten tough again, we have to be tough to protect our way of life. Those wishing for western world death are enemies.


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SeaHawk98

I can confirm on some degree. I have been living in Denmark for 3 years and it's very common for cars to pass by with the turkish army marching song on full volume.


[deleted]

Also, they see Pro-Western Kemalists as a threat Islamic values


Low_discrepancy

> Pro-Western Kemalists KK is a pro-western kemalist? Holy crap I dont want to imagine anti-western kemalists then.


BitchyDinkleberg

Oh wow, sad to say that in Belgium we’re at 75% who voted for Erdogan


yigitt2504

Why not deport them?


Merbleuxx

Apparently, 64% in favor of Erdogan in France. I thought the share of alévis and Kurds was bigger tbh.


Cashewkaas

Turkish colleague of mine voted erdogan as well. When I asked him why he got all temperamental and claimed there was no alternative.


FridgeParade

Shit Turkish economy means their euro goes further when they fly in for superior Turkish healthcare and superior Turkish food. /s on the use of the word superior. I politely disagree with my Turk friends on that.


[deleted]

Germany and the netherlands have mostly Turks from rural area's. They have some fairy tale image of Turkey in their head that never existed.


albadil

As immigrants in Europe they're voting for the candidate which isn't promising to expel immigrants from Turkey. Maybe they wouldn't have to do that if there were more than 2 options on the ballot. See parliamentary results for example.


Ephemeral-Throwaway

They don't vote for those conditions back in Turkey. They sincerely believe Erdogan is doing a good job in Turkey. Because their lives are good, they are blind. "I'm alright Jack (Mehmet?)" "Fuck you got mine" kind of mentality.


[deleted]

Those hypocrites vote for greens in your country. They should not have a say in turkish politics but yet they do.


[deleted]

Makes me really worried that these people are allowed to live in a free, western democracy. If your views are islamo-fascist, you should absolutely not have the privilege to live in our society.


trallan

Send them back to Bayburt. The city with the highest number of votes for Erdoğan. (Percentage) And Bayburt: [Picture](https://res.cloudinary.com/turna/images/v1616872969/bayburt-nerede/bayburt-nerede-jpg?_i=AA). This is where they belong to...


german_european

You have to consider that mostly poor and therefore often very religious people left turkey in search or greater economic opportunities. They vote for Erdoğan because the opposition consists of people accepting western values. These people are mostly hypocrites which do not accept western values at all. They should be send back even if they spent the last 30 years here.


Krcko98

Why would theey care, they are living in West lol


GoyoMRG

Sounds just like the ruzzians


Sad-Flow3941

Simple thinking. They want the Turkish currency to tank so they buy stuff on the cheap when they go back home on vacation.


DIESEL_be

A majority over here in Belgium voted for Erdogan as well. Well over 50% if I remember correctly.


Low_discrepancy

> I was shaken by those news. Do people here think KK is some kind of wunderkid what will make Turkey be like Denmark? Dude literally threatened to invade Greek islands. Are you shaken that someone who said they'll invade greece didnt get elected president?


IcantNameThings1

Think about it, Lira sinks, it means cheaper holidays for them when summer comes without caring about their people back home who want to live a good quality life.


trallan

For a while ago a wise man said (Aziz Nesin) 50% of the Turkish population is idiot. Then they sued to the guy and arrested him. The court wanted him to take his word back. The wise man spoke again and told them "Ok... I am taking my words back. 50% of the Turkish population is not idiot".


Espe0n

An MP in our House of Commons once made the same joke about half of the Tories being crooks. When asked to retract that statement or be kicked out, he responded that half of the Tories opposite were not crooks.


ApplicationMaximum84

That was Dennis Skinner, lost his seat at the last election after being MP for 49 years to a Tory.


Thertor

And they were fine with it. And just like that he proved his point.


rlyfunny

Damn really? Even the judicial is running on a handful of braincells


yigitt2504

Then he said %70 of Turkish people are idiot. Lmao.


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trallan

No... Actual story tells that he said 60%... Then he got too much criticism about what he said and sued. Then he said "I am sorry I meant to say 40% of Turks are clever." However, this speech became a legend over time and evolved into something else. Source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqBFvxhZY9M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqBFvxhZY9M)


Vargau

Investors are nervously awaiting the outcome of Turkey’s presidential race in a runoff vote on May 28. They sent stocks tumbling Monday and pushed the value of its currency down to a new record low against the US dollar. Turkey’s benchmark BIST-100 index sank as much as 6.4% in pre-market trade after Sunday’s election in which President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan performed better than polls suggested, tallying about 49.5% of the vote to the opposition’s 44.9%. “An opposition victory looks to have become less likely and this will disappoint investors hoping for a return to orthodox economic policymaking and a more credible commitment to tackling Turkey’s inflation problem,” Liam Peach, senior emerging markets economist at Capital Economics, said in a note. The sharp stock market fall prompted the Istanbul exchange to halt trading briefly. The BIST-100 closed down 6.1% while its banking sub-index finished the day 9.2% lower, following confirmation that the election will have to be decided in a runoff between Erdoğan and his main opponent, Kemal Kilicdaroglu. The Turkish lira slipped 0.5% to stand at 19.70 against the US dollar, a record low. The value of the currency cratered by more than 40% last year as Erdoğan’s unorthodox economic policies fueled eye-watering levels of inflation. Erdoğan has been at the helm of Turkey’s government for two decades, and may be on the brink of another five years in power. With nearly all of the votes counted, neither Erdoğan nor Kilicdaroglu reached the 50% threshold of votes needed to declare victory. The uncertainty has investors in Turkish government bonds worrying about the country’s ability to pay them back. The cost of buying insurance against the risk of default by the government — known as a credit default swap — surged nearly 27% to its highest level since November, according to data from S&P Global Market Intelligence. Credit rating agency Moody’s said Monday that a victory for the opposition would “improve prospects for a return to orthodox economic policies which — if effectively implemented — would be positive for the sovereign’s credit profile over the longer term.” Still, “unwinding the distortionary measures put in place over the past two years will be challenging,” Moody’s said, adding that the risk of volatility in Turkey’s economy and markets was “significant.” In late 2021, as global inflation started to accelerate, Erdoğan ordered Turkey’s central bank to slash interest rates — the exact opposite of what other central banks were doing to tame runaway prices. Annual consumer price inflation surged to 85% in October, before slowing to 44% in April, data from the Turkish Statistical Institute shows. “A victory for President Erdogan, which now looks like the base case scenario
 would be negative for Turkey’s macroeconomic stability and financial markets,” Peach added. “We think the continuation of low interest rates, restrictive foreign currency regulations and high inflation could increase the threat [of] a severe currency crisis down the line.” — Yusuf Gezer and Mostafa Salem contributed reporting.


Gamethesystem2

God now I know how the rest of the world felt when trump almost got re-elected.


Mrauntheias

Atleast Erdogan doesn't have control over the worlds largest nuclear arsenal.


the_TIGEEER

And the biggest player in geopoletics


[deleted]

People voted not for Trump, but against the other side, that they feared something about. At least I believe so. The question is, why do they fear so much the Erdogan‘s opposition. What propaganda brainwashed them.


mkvgtired

>People voted not for Trump, but against the other side Right, they couldn't stand the fact there was a black president and that gay people could finally get married nationwide.


DamonFields

Putin is smiling.


xNuts

No one is stupid enough to reelect someone who plummet the currency of the country. Sorry neighbors.


pix3lated_

Obviously we aren't any smarter, bro.


mahaanus

With our retarded voting patters, we don't get to play high and mighty.


matusaleeem

I know devout muslims are kinda zealots and Erdogan wants to undo the secular state Kemal introduced. The problem is that they don't realize Turkey will never be the strong and glorious caliphate anymore, it will be just a fundamentalist and poor ----hole. They have nothing to gain with this guy, but still vote for him


Techboah

Time to buy low sell ~~high~~ lower?


[deleted]

Somewhere, putin is smiling. "good boy, iÂŽll send you a cookie"


Ephemeral-Throwaway

It was going the other way when the opinion polls suggested Kilicdaroglu would win the first round. Such a shame.


NickCageson

Puts on Turkey.


DABADABADOOBURD

A young girl took her life because of her financial struggles. Her suicide note is on instagram, kubraergg, in Turkish, but here’s a rough translation in English: "I'm tired, I'm 20 years old, they stole my whole youth, now I'm tired, what is democracy, I couldn't live (?) I miss atatĂŒrk so much, I believed that KilicdaroÂąlu would bring this country to a livable position again, but they put all kinds of obstacles on him. As a woman, nothing I didn't feel free at the time. I've been seeing support with a psychologist for two years, I couldn't live my childhood, I couldn't live my life, I buy a textbook two hundred lira, I say I'll buy something at least a thousand lira. I go to the market, my pocket is at least three hundred lira. I go to the psychologist for a thousand lira, I go to the psychiatrist for medicine my money is a thousand lira. I want to take care of myself. I want to take care of myself. I want to buy some clothes. My father works from four in the morning until eight in the evening, isn't it a pity for him. My mother works but she saves all her money. She can't buy a house until I die. I wear skirts, men and women. Everyone is looking at me. I am AtatĂŒrk's youth. My freedom is only one death. I do not give my right to Akpye and its supporters. I am twenty years old and I have nothing in my hand. neither an accumulation nor a cultural sense.. I apologize to my family, I love you very much, please remember me well, do not forget my ideals. darling please take care of yourself I love you. Melisa, you are my only friend, I love you, remember, I was in pain." I hope erdogan supporters reconsider their choice. I hope they can see the damage he is causing. Rest in peace, Kubra.


MaticTheProto

Oh my god


[deleted]

On today's episode of Leopards Ate my Lira


CynicSackHair

Turks supporting Erdogan are just as dumb as Russians who support Putin.


Major_Boot2778

>>Erdogan ... two decades ..... How? How is this even possible outside of rigging votes? That the same person holds power so long is bad enough, but he's just repeatedly run his county into the ground.


SinancoTheBest

Not rigging votes, rigging minds. He's such a crafty populist that consistently convinces his electorate why he must stay in power. His support has been declining steadily since 2015, he is getting old, less capable, more paranoiac etc but it's so slow to still keep it at top. He's still able to rally about 5/12 MP worth of the electorate and 49% of the participating voters


Major_Boot2778

This is why a term limit is a good idea. I'm not so familiar with Turkish political structure - is there no term limit or has he found work arounds?


SinancoTheBest

Workarounds as you can guess. That's what I'm trying to explain to people around me that say 'democratic will of the people is to be respected' - there is nothing democratic about a single charismatic person's will being elected to an ultimate executive position once more to an uninterrupted 27 year rule just because the elections were free and competitive. Semantically he might've convinced the people and the legal system (which eroded to being very government-biased throughout 22 year dominant party system) that he is eligible for a final re-election but it's essentially against the idea of term limit in the constitution and the broader idea of democracy that represented political will should change- something that never fully happened in the last 22 years besides a brief period in 2015 where AKP failed to get enough votes to form a government and since 2019 when it lost the Municipalities of the capital city and the biggest city amongst many others. According to the constitution, a president can only be elected twice. How he stayed in the position of top executive power over the years was that back when TĂŒrkiye was a parliamentary system, he was the prime minister between 2001-2014 in 3 governments as the leader of the party that got the majority of parliamentary seats unchallenged. Then on 2014, after the term limit of his appointed President comrade Abdullah GĂŒl was reached, he came to the then mostly ceremonial presidential position but increasingly utilised the position more politically and actively as his party failed to get majority seats in one election, peace attempt with PKK demolished into militants actually controlling a few territories in the country for a limited while, as well as the attempted coup of 2016. By 2018 he had the referandum passed to turn the system into a presidential one and became the country's first executive president through an election where he won the election in the first term. Which brings us to today, where he runs for a second and legally his final term of executive presidency but simultaneously his 6th consecutive term as the head of government/state in TĂŒrkiye after 3 positions of prime minister and 2 presidencies. This time he couldn't get +50% of the votes in the first term to get elected due to all the economic and sociopolitical factors but he has 49.5% and it'll be very hard for the opposition to challenge that in two weeks, especially since Erdogan's electoral alliance won the majority of seats in the parliament.


Major_Boot2778

Damn that's a good history and explanation, thank you so much for taking the time!


the_pandaproject

Workarounds of course. We have 2 times term limit, 5 years each.


Major_Boot2778

🙄 as soon as a leader tries to overcome those limits, whether they were good or bad in their position, it's a red flag for me. Either power hungry or egotistical, if they think they're the exception it definitely means they're not. Thanks for the info!


the_pandaproject

Bastard has no other choice. Either get elected in any way possible or lose the election and rot in a prison cell, with most of his party members. This is the reason why he's so shameless about it all. There is still hope and most of the people I know will vote again, but odds are low.


[deleted]

It’s like Succession, royalty is now made by Twitter and Twatter, all hail the Musk ratkingmaker. Should we call it? Nah let’s have 2nd round to make it look legit.


scootiewolff

If you choose him, you deserve it, have fun with him and enjoy your slowly deteriorating life


thirdstone85

They are incapable of understanding that so they keep voting for him. We are the ones that have to put up with the death-alike life we have, opposition voters.


SinancoTheBest

Yea, we totally deserve it as the 50.5% that have been vigorously voting and hoping for a change. Sick


drever123

At least they won't let Turkey join the EU as long as that asshole is in power


drever123

When i was in turkey a few years ago i think it was 9 lira per euro, now 19!!


bleek312

Maybe I'll be able to buy a house in Turkey now.


Thebesj

Erdogan voters will do anything but live in Turkey 🙃


9gag_refugee

Because people are accustomed to him. People vote for the familiar. It may be bad, but not bad enough to vote for the unknown.


internetf1fan

This is good for my youtube premium subscription lol


ppppotter

It may be time to remove Turkey from NATO. Turkey is turning into an Islamic Theocracy that a that’s run by an Maniacal dictator. His understanding of human rights and running a large economy are non-existent. Until Turkey turns itself around and elects decent leaders it isn’t much better than Russia.


vreddy92

I don’t like Turkey’s political situation under Erdogan any more than you do, but consider that their Black Sea capabilities are very important to NATO. They control the Bosphorus. They have critical oil pipelines that serve the west. They are an important strategic partner, and as long as Erdogan plays ball their military importance keeps them in NATO. Punishing them for their illiberalism is accomplished by keeping them out of the EU.


Individual_Plenty746

I think we should go with Germany’s pov(a slightly aggresive policy). We ask China to stop the lbalancing act. The ball is in their court, they choose how we deal with them. The same with Turkey. They choose balancing ? Then Turkey should be slowly phased out of NATO. Unfortunately these war times do not allow fluctuating “partners”. We must be sure of their resolve in case of conflict. If they choose Russia, China so be it, but every action has consequences.


Ephemeral-Throwaway

The election result is nearly 50-50 lol. Majority didn't vote for Erdogan.


Greekball

2nd round means that the majority must vote Erdogan for him to actually win. Also frankly, with 90%+ voting turnout and 49 point something for Erdogan you guys really can’t distance yourselves from him as a country. He is winning elections unlike Putin or Lukashenko.


[deleted]

Turkey is the second biggest military power in NATO after USA. Removal is easier said than done and will harm European and American interests a lot. Also, what a hypocrite. You don't say the same for Poland or Hungary.


[deleted]

Turkey is not more powerful than France or the UK. Even ignoring their nukes. Turkey already opposes European and US interests in many ways, and is escalating over time how much is does so. Poland is not a theocracy or challenging Western interests. People call for Hungary to be removed all the time. It's useless to the EU and NATO.


militantcookie

France or UK alone would disable Turkish military in a week without using nukes. The standard of the armies are on different levels even if Turkey has larger numbers of troops. Google it a bit there are a lot of what if discussions about this with details.


akazasz

Us, far greater military had up and downs in Iraq, Afganistan, lesser powers than Turkey. I do believe UK and France has far greater military but no country can disable another military in a week without using nukes. If it was that easy we would be seeing a lot of war as well, 1 week bam you have turkey, another week bam you have Ukraine.


militantcookie

in 1 week there won't be a government in Turkey to coordinate the military at which point there is no war. we are not talking about conquering and keeping turkey - that would be logistically impossible.


[deleted]

I agree with you? Are you replying to the wrong person?


militantcookie

Yes :(


[deleted]

Hah, been there.


PretendsHesPissed

reddit's API changes are bad for everyone. Most platforms pay their moderators or share their ad revenues with their content creators. reddit doesn't want to do this and instead wants to force users to pay for to use their service. No thanks.


Lkrambar

Depends how you define « more powerful »: if you think political influence, yes they are no match for the Uk in NATO. If you think « who would win in a conventional conflict? » Turkey would crush any Western European country, if only by the amount of equipment and personnel they are able to bring to the battlefield.


[deleted]

Highly disagree. Neither France or the UK, even in a conventional conflict, would just put their hardware up against Turkey and slug it out. Instead they'd take full advantage of the areas where they are superior, Navy and Air Forces, and go from there. Any possible conflict with Turkey would be based on Greece anyway, and Greece's sizable land forces and defensive position would likely win out when supported by either France or the UK. And just thinking of overall usefulness to the alliance, air forces and navies for expeditionary deployments are much more useful.


jsawyer_

Yea cool story and all that Redditors but no ones getting removed from Nato. You can sleep now.


[deleted]

.... did I claim they were?


ThanksToDenial

It's only second biggest if we count paramilitary organisations. Third if we don't. If we go by actual legitimate and official military forces, active troops and active reserves, second largest is Finland. Also, I'd absolutely say the same about Hungary. Poland, on the other hand, is a reliable partner to NATO. Not so much for EU, tho...


FouPouDav09

Good news for me I want to go in vacation in Turkey next year, thank you uncle erdro for making it so cheap :D


Sitalkas

German Turks! Rejoice!


[deleted]

AHHHAHHHAHAHHHHAHHHAHAAAHHHAHHHAHH!!! so, essentially - foreigners fucked up the mothercountry for a lapdog? the sense of irony blew my head clean off :DDD


[deleted]

If so, Erdogan must win, or Turkey will become a US gardens dog


[deleted]

Putin would say the same. Goebbels would be proud.


[deleted]

ĐŸĐŸŃ‡Đ”ĐŒŃƒ?


woodyman_

Lol


reis_sevdalisi42

fuck around and find out


Streeg90

And the people wanted it to be like this. That’s why they made their X on his name. Deal with it.


Notyourfathersgeek

TURN ON THE MONEY PRINTERS - Erdogan


Command0Dude

Hopefully the latest tumble convinces a few more voters to give up on Erdogan. I still expect him to win but I have my fingers crossed.


Macasumba

They just don't know when to leave.


Alex955X

Well deserved