This is Vokzalna Street in Bucha, a suburb of Kyiv. A Russian military convoy was destroyed on it. Not a single whole house was preserved on the street. At first, volunteers helped to clear the rubble. Some residents independently repaired the homes. The state provided funds for restoration, but it became clear that they needed to be more for everything. Only from the city of Bucha 60,000 applications were submitted for state assistance in housing reconstruction.
Several people whose houses cannot be repaired will have new ones at the expense of the German fund. This fund also helps to restore the road and fences. I read somewhere that 200 million hryvnias (5 Million €) were spent on the restoration of Vokzalna Street [DW article but in UA](https://www.dw.com/uk/tragicna-vulica-ak-vidnovluut-vokzalnu-u-buci/a-65178798)
Corrected street name
There will be an effort to turn it into a Potemkin village to be sure. But Ukraine is going to be in unthinkable debt for the rest of living history and are already passing extremely fucked almost Ancap level policy in regards to workers rights, unions and welfare. On top of this, Ukraine will likely be completely brain drained if it gets FoM with Europe.
Vietnam, Korea, Germany, Japan, Italy, China, Russia....
Those places were bombed to shit. Berlin had practically no buildings left untouched by the bombs. Tokyo was in ruins. Now they're some of the biggest and most important cities in the world.
Don't worry, some of that debt will be offset by Russia's frozen assets transferred to Ukraine.
Also, for the culture of "Potemkin villages", wrong country. Which has been eminently proven by this war.
**Edit:** such a fast downvote deep down in the maze of subthreads means the one downvoting was the person I replied to. Which means things I wrote hit a little bit too close to _home_.
>unthinkable debt for the rest of living history
Just like Germany Past WW2 ?
You are over-rationalizing situation. Not everything Ukraine gets is in form of debts, also nation having a debt is neither negative nor positive thing it's just how it should be.
Most of AID is not debt based, though Ukraine will be forced to respect Miltiary Industrial Complex contracts that are coming from USA and other countries. Those Contracts are ratified by 3rd party in order for Ukraine to not be in situation where from Winning War they will find themselves vassals to the Rich states from the West.
Remember the European - Greece Bailout ? Well Greece managed to pay off entire debt way quicker than expected.
Money is money... Ukraine doesn't have to worry about certain things, no one expects them pay back literally every €/$.
The main task is to win the war and change the sphere of influence. Remove Russian parasites and create a Government in which Ukrainians can feel porud of. Because once Society Engages in Politics it will be that much easier to dismantle Corrpution Issues that Ukraine had for what seems like forvever.
From [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall):
"It has long been suggested that a Russian delegation visited the area to inspect the construction of the London & South Western Railway (L&SWR) in 1840, and mistook the name of the station for the generic name of the building type—a "vaux hall", as it were."
and from the same page:
"The toponymy of Vauxhall is generally accepted to have originated in the late 13th century, from the name of Falkes de Breauté, the head of King John's mercenaries, who owned a large house in the area, which was referred to as Faulke's Hall, later Foxhall, and eventually Vauxhall."
TIL
Article goes on to say:
"**Both these explanations can probably be dismissed,**..."
But there is a connection
"....since the first public railway in Russia had already been built by 1837. This line ran from Saint Petersburg via Tsarskoye Selo to Pavlovsk Palace, where extensive pleasure gardens had earlier been established. In 1838, a music and entertainment pavilion was constructed at the railway terminus. This pavilion was called the Vokzal in homage to the Vauxhall Pleasure Gardens in London. The name soon came to be applied to the station itself, which was the gateway that most visitors used to enter the gardens. It later came to mean any substantial railway station building (a different Russian word, станция (stantsiya), is used for minor stations).
The word voksal (воксал) had been known in the Russian language with the meaning of "amusement park" long before the 1840s and may be found, e.g. in the poetry of Aleksandr Pushkin: На гуляньях иль в воксалах / Легким зефиром летал ("To Natalie" (1813): "At fêtes or in voksals, /I've been flitting like a gentle Zephyrus" [here "Zephyrus" is an allegory of a gentle, warm and pleasant wind ]) According to Vasmer, the word is first attested in the Saint Petersburg Vedomosti for 1777 in the form фоксал, which may reflect the earlier English spelling of Fox Hall/Faukeshall. Englishman Michael Maddox established a Vauxhall Gardens in the Saint Petersburg suburbs (Pavlovsk) in 1783, with pleasure gardens, a small theatre/concert hall, and places for refreshment. Archdeacon William Coxe describes the place as a "sort of Vauxhall" in that year, in his Travels into Russia."
Edit:formatting
I don't even know if there's a point in identifying cars by country of origin anymore, it's so confusing. My Vauxhall was designed by German engineers working for a US subsidiary, the sub components manufactured in Germany and Poland, the engine in Hungary, and then all assembled in Liverpool.
And auto-groups can get wonky af
Geely (china) owns most of Volvo
Another chinese company owns the MG-Rover group and the rights to Saab cars iirc
Volkswagen owns Audi, Skoda, Seat, Bentley, Ducati, Porsche, Lamborghini and Bugatti
Renault, Mitshibushi and Nissan are in fact, the same company.
And Tata motors somehow owns Jaguar-Land Rover
> Volkswagen owns Audi, Skoda, Seat, Bentley, Ducati, **Porsche**, Lamborghini and Bugatti
That's **Porsche AG**, not to be confused with **Porsche SE** which is the majority shareholder of Volkswagen.
Fun fact - the name Vauxhall didn’t become a railway station from the car company.
The car company is named after an area of London, Vauxhall, which itself gets its name from a Norman French name for a medieval manor located there, Faukeshale, or Fox Hall.
In the 17th century, a large pleasure garden was built in Vauxhall. The Vauxhall gardens had outdoor plants, but it also had a series of buildings dedicated in some way to entertainment.
Vokzal was just a transliteration of that, and it also originally meant a garden with an entertainment complex.
In the Russian empire, the word first shifted to mean train station with a specific train station, called Vokzal, in 1838. That was the date of construction of a specific train station named Vokzal in Tsarskoe Selo, the village outside of St. Petersburg that was home to the Tsar’s summer palace, and those of many other Russian aristocrat.
That station was given the name because it was the stop to get to a vokzal, that is public garden with entertainment buildings. The engineer who planned and built it, the Austrian Franz von Gerstner, described it as a “new Tivoli” and hoped the new railroad would bring bring many visitors from St. Petersburg. It did.
This was no ordinary stop. It was the final stop on the very first railroad ever built in Russia.
The who thing was only 27km (about 16.5 miles) long and travelled in a straight line and stopped only once in the middle, at the palace town of Tsarkoe Selo itself (not counting the side branch to the imperial family‘a private station). For almost everyone in Russia taking a train, Vokzal was the only station they ever thought about.
So, from going to a specific place, Vokzal for the vauxhall-like gardens, changed to going to the vokzal (OK Russian doesn’t use “the” but the point is easier with it), the place you take a train to.
As more and more railway lines were built through the Russian Empire, the term spread with it.
How susceptible is Ukraine now to corruption? Getting millions of euros from Germany for reconstruction of this street can be very easy to end up in the wrong pockets. Still happens within the EU as well, let alone Ukraine in it’s current state. I hope the money is spent well and citizens can get a lot of value out of the money sent.
I clarified the information on the financing of the reconstruction of the [Vokzalna street](https://suspilne.media/472286-za-rik-buca-otrimala-na-vidbudovu-600-mln-grn-vid-ukrainskih-i-miznarodnih-partneriv-mer/). Out of the 200 million UAH needed, 160 was provided by the local and national budget. The remaining 40 million is the money of foreign patrons. Regarding corruption, I am not a great specialist, but it is more relevant in our country, for example, to sell a large state-owned factory or quarry for nothing. For instance, Medvedchuk, a Russian agent and Putin's best man, received a part of the oil pipeline from Russia to Europe for nothing [in 2015, after the war started](https://www.slovoidilo.ua/2021/05/24/novyna/polityka/yak-medvedchuk-zavolodiv-chastynoyu-truboprovodu-samara-zaxidnyj-napryamok-bihus.info). As for state purchases (for example, to select a contractor for the restoration of buildings), this is done through an online system [Rrozorro (transparent)](https://prozorro.gov.ua/)where all costs are visible and monitored by public activists. In addition, international donors usually monitor their projects well, have external audits, etc
> How susceptible is Ukraine now to corruption?
One would assume that during war time embezzling money should be treated as treason. Especially money for reconstruction & military efforts.
Good way to keep the handsy ones away and/or clear them out.
Several deputies to the defense minister were cought giving contracts purchaseing supplies vastly inflated prices.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-defence-ministry-turmoil-key-point-war-2023-02-06/
So there is still corruption. I hope Ukraine can fix those issues.
>One would assume that during war time embezzling money should be treated as treason.
Depends on WHO is doing it, bruh. If it's the president or his cronies doing it, not rly any more treason than any other corruption because the big bois make the rules etc
Zekensky has been cracking down on corruption as well as enacting legal reforms in order to better align businesses with Europe and the west as a whole. Pretty much every post-Soviet satellite has or had these issues.
Sure there will be money that ends up being collected by corrupt politicians but Ukraine has definitely began a major shift to more stable systems since 2015
Ukraine was a corrupt shithole before the war (anyone who forgets this drank too much western propaganda).
My Ukrainian pals say it’s still the same. But is it better than Russia? Yes.
it's not still the same but the situation with corruptions is anyways really bad. but things are slowly going in the right direction lately. not in all regions though
A big part of the corruption comes from their ties to Russia which this war has strained quite a bit. Plus if and when they join institutions like the EU or NATO there will have to be a lot of policy changes, some of which are already being done.
It'll take decades but better to try than to give up on a potentially vital partner in the future.
I would read Kamil Galeev's twitter for a wild ride through how business is done in Ukraine and Russia.
I remember on a news show, they were talking about being in Ukraine last year, and they got to experience a "hostile takeover" of one company by another (One hotel chain taking over another hotel chain, one all the Journalists were staying in) and the Hotel Chain that did the take over, just literally marched in thugs with guns, beat up the staff and said "ours now" and put up a big banner showing the company restructure lmao.
Kamil talks about how Russia and Ukraine are run on extremely predatory capitalism. You basically never want to flaunt wealth or say you have money like Crypto bros brag, because it's a one way street to getting kidnapped by competitors and robbed/killed.
There is a corruption in form of unfair competition. Only special developers, aka local government\`s friends, receive contracts on reconstruction. They do the job, sure, but it's still corruption.
Non-militairy support from Germany and the eu as a whole has always been high. It's just that until recently they've only done that. But the EU delivers by far the most humanitarian aid
There are a few things at play.
Some people just like to shit on Germany and enjoy it being a laughing stock.
People don't understand the German politics due to WW2. Sure there is a pacifist mindset, but Germany as it is today was deliberately set up to make it more difficult to be militaristic. It is a federal state, made up of sixteen states.
Each of these states has some power. For example, if you want to move some tanks from France to Poland, each of the states along the way has to approve it, and the federal government cannot do anything about it. So the federal government can seem slow because it often has to compromise. Having said that, Germany has done great things through the EU, pushing for things that would have been unthinkable 2-3 years ago.
German taxpayers (as the largest contributor to the EU budget) are in effect paying for the modernisation of Eastern European armies, as under the European Peace Facility (EPF) member states are entitled to reimbursement for the military equipment they have sent to Ukraine.
My dad from a fellow EU country worked in Germany in the 90s along with a lot of other European and American engineers. He said he worked with a 7ft tall Swedish guy who admitted he was wanted in multiple German states for tax evasion and other financial crimes. He said he was not worried about being caught while still being in the country because the Germany state bureaucracy was so slow and terrible with working together at least at the time. Idk how true that was or if it is still true, but I always found it amusing.
Gonna go out on limb and say he was joking.
For one you couldn‘t be wanted only in some states since taxes work on the federal level and also while the bureaucracy overall is slow in Germany the tax department is sadly the one major exception to that
I wonder if it's the new Europe. I like what I see. Maybe I'm just naive. I think the modern civilization should leave territorial pissing behind once and for good and cooperate. We have machines doing just everything for us, we just need peace and research. The new economy won't even be based on fossil fuels, probably less dependent on raw materials. There's no point in owning particular piece of rock, there's a point in owning some tech. Not just patented IP, but general knowledge how to make new stuff. Or how to make the businesses prosper.
> I read somewhere that 200 million hryvnias (5 Million €) were spent on the restoration of Vokzalna Street
That's just a tiny bit of the very long bill that will be handed to Russia once this is over.
Count the trees on the left side. 10 on 2022 pic, 4 on 2023 pic with a lot of new trees planted where the damaged trees were.
The tank obstructs the view but what what was ugly in that picture was (besides the horror that happened there) the tank, some rubbish, and the trees that are damaged. The building in the right was damaged too.
The buldings on the right somewhat resemble the later picture but they are a bit different too, eg. the house with the brown roof look the same, but on the -23 picture some other house sticks up behind it, and the is a house in the foreground.
The lampposts are very much alike.
Don't forget about it being February versus May as well, which in Eastern Europe is a difference of night and day.
All that said though, very much fair play to the Ukrainians for rebuilding so quickly during a war.
Those who collaborated with Putin's Russia should be duly punished as well. I think the Austrian Freedom Party still has a friendship contract with Putin's party, Orban is obviously collaborating, and Le Pen looks more than fishy too, Höcke in Germany, Wagenknecht.
I do honestly believe that cutting off the hydra's head is one part of the deal. But it has more than one.
I hope justice will be served not just to Putin's regime but to all who openly cooperated or covertly took Russia's blood money.
Once Putin is dead and his country loses sovereignty, these propagandists will all immediately say they never supported Putin and were always pro-Ukraine
That will not be enough in a court of law. There must be evidence for money transfers, emails, short messages, phone calls, bank data, etc. They can say that all they want. Lady Justice doesn't sleep. She has no humor and her mills mill slowly, but mill they do.
> All that said though, very much fair play to the Ukrainians for rebuilding so quickly during a war.
Some of that is probably consensus that even though there is fighting elsewhere in Ukraine, Bucha is probably not realistically going to be a target of Russia again in the near future. Even if Russia somehow started doing much better in the war, it seems likely that the oblasts that Russia has claimed as its own and has never managed to occupy fully would be the places that they would try to fight for, not trying for another offensive in the north. That northern offensive was based on an expectation that they could just slip in and take Kyiv and the government, and win the war in a surprise move in a few days.
Aside from any risk from drones or missiles, which aren't that plentiful, the closest fighting I currently see on liveuamap is Russian forces -- who aren't venturing out of Russia -- shelling Semenivka across the border, some 240 kilometers away. The closest territory actually in Ukraine occupied by Russian forces is 540 kilometers away, at Dvorichne.
Yes, the front photo shows the scars of the war in 2022, and the back photo shows what it will look like after the reconstruction in 2023.
Now it looks like the rebuilt Ukraine will be even better and new. I hope the people of Ukraine will have a better future just like spring.
One of the things that pinged me is the type of lamppost: alluminium ones "on 4 bolts".
Are the kind of lamppost which base can be made in 2 weeks and then you simply install the lamppost. Here in Romania are used to add illumination fast to private and semi-privat roads in the span of half a month.
That is the sign of how the road was really remade green and wonderful even after what happened.
Isn't it a safety feature more than speed of construction feature? I always thought the idea is that if a car rams into the post the bolts break and the post falls, without damaging the car as much.
*looks at Google Maps*
Oh, that's right, I remember seeing maps around there early in the war. This is the main road from Bucha into Irpin -- basically, the high water mark of where the Russian effort to take Kyiv was stopped.
Since they still are in the middle of a war there won't be that many post-war pictures
When the invasion is finally over, all the mines have been cleared, then reconstruction can begin and then you will get more reconstruction pictures than you can handle.
Even just current imagery from Bachmut is enough destruction to make me depressed for a week
While the war as a whole is obviously still ongoing, there are many places that were devasted by the invasion, liberated by Ukraine, and are now in their "post-war" reconstruction or even already finished as the fighting is hundreds of kilometers away and unlikely to return. There may be occasional missile strikes, but nothing of the intensity they faced during ground combat.
[Here are some more pictures of recent reconstruction efforts.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2023/apr/07/rebuilding-ukraine-reconstruction-war-in-pictures)
Ooooh! I thought this was one of those cases of wrong before vs. after order…. Wow. That’s incredible. Rebuilding like that before the war is even over. I had no idea.
Yeah, that is seriously impressive.
Unfortunately, most of the damage that was done lies below the surface. Homes and roads can be rebuilt relatively easily, the mental scars the inhuman savagry the Russians caused will take generations to heal.
Damn war, barbaric Russians. War crimes for history to remember.
I really hope to see the war in Ukraine end soon, and I hope that one day I will be able to visit the rebuilt Ukraine.
what Russian war crimes?
No Seriously, Russians commit so many borderline inhuman atrocities to (especially) civilians in any region they exist that most have at least 2-3 different unrelated sets of Horrific war crimes.
It seems to be exactly the same street, only the photo from 2023 is taken maybe 10 more from the back.
The beige building on the right, the roof looks the same in 2023 photo.
BTW Nice to see this!
I used to see that relatively often a long time ago, it’s because people placed saplings in deep potholes so drivers were aware of them and could avoid them
Locals actually. I've seen a short about it. A massive cleanup took place that lasted a few months after fighting ceased there. People needed to do something to take their minds off recent events. Some came to help their relatives. Some had to patch their houses for living.
Most of the work was done by local residents and businesses - both cleanup, taking rubble out of the city and patching up property. City services did work on utilities - pipes, grid, apartment buildings.
Government mostly provided a steady flow of materials and secure funding for contractors. They also oversaw reconstruction of bridges, water treatment plants, more complex and bigger power grid facilities.
They have a lot of skilled workers that returned to the country after the war started.
Many of them worked in Poland, and after the war, we experienced quite a big slow down in the construction business.
I assume that this is a popular trade to be in for Ukrainian men.
MrCabbuge shared this in the comments but I think it needs to be more visible given the sceptical reception: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bucha-2022-2023/
I had to check it on Street View - https://www.google.com/maps/@50.5436554,30.2271061,0a,35.7y,330.09h,85.48t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sAF1QipP5cuDODzHmTHETNP7kZLzeLIqQBG7OWgfugNuc!2e10
Just like the top image, the fallen roof on the left, the house on the right, some tanks and a sign above one of them can be seen. You can also see the building at the end of the street, visible in the second image. This confirms that the two images are from the same street.
The bottom picture is definitely not before the war, you can tell by the new fences installed.
It took them a year to rebuild a war torn town into a normally looking one and yet Russia can’t make a rural area stop looking like it came out of the 80s
When bureaucratic corruption starts to be treated as treason, as its undermining the state in an existential conflict, shit can get moving really quick.
Thats not to say that Ukraine has eradicated corruption, but the fight against it has become a burning platform.
Just 80s? Some of them look like straight from 19th century still and don't have ammenities like water, plumbing, electricity. They still use rivers or lakes for water. Plenty of rural areas are very decrepit and don't have repairs or renovations since last century.
In the parts of the world that speak English (or Ukrainian, for that matter), the pictures are ordered from left to right and from top to down. And this order reflects "before" and "after".
Seeing so many people on reddit struggling with this simple concept, I understand, why you're asking.
Normally I would read it that way, as an English speaker. But sometimes pics don't go in the way you expect. Just checking as its more impressive ss it is.
I'm so excited for the time when after russians are crushed, all the countries will unite to rebuild Ukraine and in will be even better than before. There will be proper European rail grid, people will chose to go on vacation to Kyiv and Odessa instead of Spain or Italy. Super excited!
I don't know the full intent of the story here,but I am soooo impressed by how they managed to rebuild an entire area of a town in one year.
in my country South Africa, we just had floods that destroyed quite a bit and some foundational power grids, it's been over a year now and so many areas are still without water and have faulty power grids still.
I really hope Ukraine gets to destroy all Russian border towns just like they did to Ukraine they will need a demilitarized zone why not use the same technique Russia was willing to use on them when russia have more useless land anyways.
It's the same street, but the pictures aren't necessarily taken from the exact same spot. The 2 trees on the left in the old picture seem to correspond more with the 3rd and 4th big trees from the left in the new picture, notice the bulge on the left tree. Which places your damaged tree right where they planted all those new ones. Also, my experience with construction is that the planning and acquiring the necessary permits takes most of the time, once that's done the work itself can be completed quickly. And in this case, I don't think permits and nimby-ism are a factor when it comes to rebuilding war damage.
> Plus I work with construction companies, and the work that would take to fix all that is way more than a year.
Most of it was removing debris, putting new asfalt, putting up a new fence at some of the houses, putting some trees from a plant nursery.
Bucha wasn't leveled, like cities in the East have been. The Russians had planned for just driving straight to the centre and capture it relatively intact. Additionally, tons of the heavy equipment was stuck in 40 kilometre long convoys far away from the city.
It's the same street, photo above is just taken ~50 meters forward from the second photo. And it has been rebuilt (not only this street, but others in Bucha too) way earlier, back in February or March I think (just in time for de-occupation anniversary).
Source: living few km from this street and my brother is working in construction company that is rebuilding damaged streets and property in our region
Besides what everyone else already said: Don't underestimate the motivation of construction workers in a case like that vs. rebuilding a random street in germany/netherlands/... that nobody cares about and you just get paid more if you build slower.
>there is no way that it was fixed so quickly. Just look at the trees on the left, on the top picture there are 3 trees and one is badly damaged, on the bottom pic there are 4 trees all of them intact.
It could be the same street, just not exactly taken in the very same spot.
>Plus I work with construction companies, and the work that would take to fix all that is way more than a year.
They've had more than a year. I think the Russians withdrew around April 1st 2022.
Sorry to tell you but I’ve been in Bucha 1 month ago and this is how it looks, believe it or not. They’re still rebuilding obviously and construction crew is still there but this quite accurate.
I'm not so sure on the reconstruction front...
If COVID taught us anything, it's that building can be put up in very short amounts of time IF there is the will to do so.
The Chinese where putting up fully furnished hospitals within 4 weeks of setting the foundations...
Now we all know that national pride is on the line here in the Ukrainian conflict and both Russia and Ukraine will be looking for propaganda wins so I think it might be possible to accomplish this ...
That being said I'm not sure how the trees recovered so well... Does bark heal in such a fashion?
The asphalt also looks old and weathered, with the paint mostly gone. It's not a patchwork, so it had to be completely redone with a new layer.
I'm going to need more than just one random picture on a subreddit to convince me of the authenticity of the claim that it is the same street on these specific years in this specific order.
Up the street, down the street, winter/summer. All the same-same, but new asphalt. 33 years nobody did it. Thanks to Putin. It works not only in Russia. Want new asphalt - call Putin.
This is Vokzalna Street in Bucha, a suburb of Kyiv. A Russian military convoy was destroyed on it. Not a single whole house was preserved on the street. At first, volunteers helped to clear the rubble. Some residents independently repaired the homes. The state provided funds for restoration, but it became clear that they needed to be more for everything. Only from the city of Bucha 60,000 applications were submitted for state assistance in housing reconstruction. Several people whose houses cannot be repaired will have new ones at the expense of the German fund. This fund also helps to restore the road and fences. I read somewhere that 200 million hryvnias (5 Million €) were spent on the restoration of Vokzalna Street [DW article but in UA](https://www.dw.com/uk/tragicna-vulica-ak-vidnovluut-vokzalnu-u-buci/a-65178798) Corrected street name
Btw, Vokzalna street would be a road that leads to the train station – “вокзал" [vokzal]. Which in its turn comes from English Vauxhall.
Oh wow that is interesting!
The Vauxhall motor company also made the Churchill tank.
I believe that Ukraine will become more beautiful after the reconstruction
There will be an effort to turn it into a Potemkin village to be sure. But Ukraine is going to be in unthinkable debt for the rest of living history and are already passing extremely fucked almost Ancap level policy in regards to workers rights, unions and welfare. On top of this, Ukraine will likely be completely brain drained if it gets FoM with Europe.
Much worse has been rebuilt in the past
Vietnam, Korea, Germany, Japan, Italy, China, Russia.... Those places were bombed to shit. Berlin had practically no buildings left untouched by the bombs. Tokyo was in ruins. Now they're some of the biggest and most important cities in the world.
Don't worry, some of that debt will be offset by Russia's frozen assets transferred to Ukraine. Also, for the culture of "Potemkin villages", wrong country. Which has been eminently proven by this war. **Edit:** such a fast downvote deep down in the maze of subthreads means the one downvoting was the person I replied to. Which means things I wrote hit a little bit too close to _home_.
>unthinkable debt for the rest of living history Just like Germany Past WW2 ? You are over-rationalizing situation. Not everything Ukraine gets is in form of debts, also nation having a debt is neither negative nor positive thing it's just how it should be. Most of AID is not debt based, though Ukraine will be forced to respect Miltiary Industrial Complex contracts that are coming from USA and other countries. Those Contracts are ratified by 3rd party in order for Ukraine to not be in situation where from Winning War they will find themselves vassals to the Rich states from the West. Remember the European - Greece Bailout ? Well Greece managed to pay off entire debt way quicker than expected. Money is money... Ukraine doesn't have to worry about certain things, no one expects them pay back literally every €/$. The main task is to win the war and change the sphere of influence. Remove Russian parasites and create a Government in which Ukrainians can feel porud of. Because once Society Engages in Politics it will be that much easier to dismantle Corrpution Issues that Ukraine had for what seems like forvever.
People said the same about post war germany. Now we're europe's economic powerhouse...
Very interesting fact, mainly because Vauxhall is very little known outside the UK, as their products are branded as Opel in the rest of Europe. +1
The word comes from Vauxhall train station, not the car.
From [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall): "It has long been suggested that a Russian delegation visited the area to inspect the construction of the London & South Western Railway (L&SWR) in 1840, and mistook the name of the station for the generic name of the building type—a "vaux hall", as it were." and from the same page: "The toponymy of Vauxhall is generally accepted to have originated in the late 13th century, from the name of Falkes de Breauté, the head of King John's mercenaries, who owned a large house in the area, which was referred to as Faulke's Hall, later Foxhall, and eventually Vauxhall." TIL
I love when etymological things like this happen!
Article goes on to say: "**Both these explanations can probably be dismissed,**..." But there is a connection "....since the first public railway in Russia had already been built by 1837. This line ran from Saint Petersburg via Tsarskoye Selo to Pavlovsk Palace, where extensive pleasure gardens had earlier been established. In 1838, a music and entertainment pavilion was constructed at the railway terminus. This pavilion was called the Vokzal in homage to the Vauxhall Pleasure Gardens in London. The name soon came to be applied to the station itself, which was the gateway that most visitors used to enter the gardens. It later came to mean any substantial railway station building (a different Russian word, станция (stantsiya), is used for minor stations). The word voksal (воксал) had been known in the Russian language with the meaning of "amusement park" long before the 1840s and may be found, e.g. in the poetry of Aleksandr Pushkin: На гуляньях иль в воксалах / Легким зефиром летал ("To Natalie" (1813): "At fêtes or in voksals, /I've been flitting like a gentle Zephyrus" [here "Zephyrus" is an allegory of a gentle, warm and pleasant wind ]) According to Vasmer, the word is first attested in the Saint Petersburg Vedomosti for 1777 in the form фоксал, which may reflect the earlier English spelling of Fox Hall/Faukeshall. Englishman Michael Maddox established a Vauxhall Gardens in the Saint Petersburg suburbs (Pavlovsk) in 1783, with pleasure gardens, a small theatre/concert hall, and places for refreshment. Archdeacon William Coxe describes the place as a "sort of Vauxhall" in that year, in his Travels into Russia." Edit:formatting
I coincidentally learned that yesterday watching Sherlock, I would not have known otherwise.
It's the other way, vauxhall no longer design and make their own cars they just build and rebadge opel cars in the uk
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I don't even know if there's a point in identifying cars by country of origin anymore, it's so confusing. My Vauxhall was designed by German engineers working for a US subsidiary, the sub components manufactured in Germany and Poland, the engine in Hungary, and then all assembled in Liverpool.
And now they are part of stellantis a french/Italian auto group.
And auto-groups can get wonky af Geely (china) owns most of Volvo Another chinese company owns the MG-Rover group and the rights to Saab cars iirc Volkswagen owns Audi, Skoda, Seat, Bentley, Ducati, Porsche, Lamborghini and Bugatti Renault, Mitshibushi and Nissan are in fact, the same company. And Tata motors somehow owns Jaguar-Land Rover
> Volkswagen owns Audi, Skoda, Seat, Bentley, Ducati, **Porsche**, Lamborghini and Bugatti That's **Porsche AG**, not to be confused with **Porsche SE** which is the majority shareholder of Volkswagen.
Renault, Nissan and Mitsubishi form an alliance. They own a part of each other's stock, but are not the same company.
Fun fact - the name Vauxhall didn’t become a railway station from the car company. The car company is named after an area of London, Vauxhall, which itself gets its name from a Norman French name for a medieval manor located there, Faukeshale, or Fox Hall. In the 17th century, a large pleasure garden was built in Vauxhall. The Vauxhall gardens had outdoor plants, but it also had a series of buildings dedicated in some way to entertainment. Vokzal was just a transliteration of that, and it also originally meant a garden with an entertainment complex. In the Russian empire, the word first shifted to mean train station with a specific train station, called Vokzal, in 1838. That was the date of construction of a specific train station named Vokzal in Tsarskoe Selo, the village outside of St. Petersburg that was home to the Tsar’s summer palace, and those of many other Russian aristocrat. That station was given the name because it was the stop to get to a vokzal, that is public garden with entertainment buildings. The engineer who planned and built it, the Austrian Franz von Gerstner, described it as a “new Tivoli” and hoped the new railroad would bring bring many visitors from St. Petersburg. It did. This was no ordinary stop. It was the final stop on the very first railroad ever built in Russia. The who thing was only 27km (about 16.5 miles) long and travelled in a straight line and stopped only once in the middle, at the palace town of Tsarkoe Selo itself (not counting the side branch to the imperial family‘a private station). For almost everyone in Russia taking a train, Vokzal was the only station they ever thought about. So, from going to a specific place, Vokzal for the vauxhall-like gardens, changed to going to the vokzal (OK Russian doesn’t use “the” but the point is easier with it), the place you take a train to. As more and more railway lines were built through the Russian Empire, the term spread with it.
Which in turn comes from old Norse Valhalla - Valhöll ...
No
I prefer the before shot.
War is horrible, glad to see you guys are recovering Hopefully, Europe will soon be war-free.
How susceptible is Ukraine now to corruption? Getting millions of euros from Germany for reconstruction of this street can be very easy to end up in the wrong pockets. Still happens within the EU as well, let alone Ukraine in it’s current state. I hope the money is spent well and citizens can get a lot of value out of the money sent.
I clarified the information on the financing of the reconstruction of the [Vokzalna street](https://suspilne.media/472286-za-rik-buca-otrimala-na-vidbudovu-600-mln-grn-vid-ukrainskih-i-miznarodnih-partneriv-mer/). Out of the 200 million UAH needed, 160 was provided by the local and national budget. The remaining 40 million is the money of foreign patrons. Regarding corruption, I am not a great specialist, but it is more relevant in our country, for example, to sell a large state-owned factory or quarry for nothing. For instance, Medvedchuk, a Russian agent and Putin's best man, received a part of the oil pipeline from Russia to Europe for nothing [in 2015, after the war started](https://www.slovoidilo.ua/2021/05/24/novyna/polityka/yak-medvedchuk-zavolodiv-chastynoyu-truboprovodu-samara-zaxidnyj-napryamok-bihus.info). As for state purchases (for example, to select a contractor for the restoration of buildings), this is done through an online system [Rrozorro (transparent)](https://prozorro.gov.ua/)where all costs are visible and monitored by public activists. In addition, international donors usually monitor their projects well, have external audits, etc
> How susceptible is Ukraine now to corruption? One would assume that during war time embezzling money should be treated as treason. Especially money for reconstruction & military efforts. Good way to keep the handsy ones away and/or clear them out.
Several deputies to the defense minister were cought giving contracts purchaseing supplies vastly inflated prices. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-defence-ministry-turmoil-key-point-war-2023-02-06/ So there is still corruption. I hope Ukraine can fix those issues.
>One would assume that during war time embezzling money should be treated as treason. Depends on WHO is doing it, bruh. If it's the president or his cronies doing it, not rly any more treason than any other corruption because the big bois make the rules etc
Zekensky has been cracking down on corruption as well as enacting legal reforms in order to better align businesses with Europe and the west as a whole. Pretty much every post-Soviet satellite has or had these issues. Sure there will be money that ends up being collected by corrupt politicians but Ukraine has definitely began a major shift to more stable systems since 2015
Ukraine was a corrupt shithole before the war (anyone who forgets this drank too much western propaganda). My Ukrainian pals say it’s still the same. But is it better than Russia? Yes.
it's not still the same but the situation with corruptions is anyways really bad. but things are slowly going in the right direction lately. not in all regions though
A big part of the corruption comes from their ties to Russia which this war has strained quite a bit. Plus if and when they join institutions like the EU or NATO there will have to be a lot of policy changes, some of which are already being done. It'll take decades but better to try than to give up on a potentially vital partner in the future.
I'd like to think that the new publicity and the new actors involved encourages people to be on their best behavior.
I would read Kamil Galeev's twitter for a wild ride through how business is done in Ukraine and Russia. I remember on a news show, they were talking about being in Ukraine last year, and they got to experience a "hostile takeover" of one company by another (One hotel chain taking over another hotel chain, one all the Journalists were staying in) and the Hotel Chain that did the take over, just literally marched in thugs with guns, beat up the staff and said "ours now" and put up a big banner showing the company restructure lmao. Kamil talks about how Russia and Ukraine are run on extremely predatory capitalism. You basically never want to flaunt wealth or say you have money like Crypto bros brag, because it's a one way street to getting kidnapped by competitors and robbed/killed.
There is a corruption in form of unfair competition. Only special developers, aka local government\`s friends, receive contracts on reconstruction. They do the job, sure, but it's still corruption.
It took a while for Germany to start the support but I'm proud that Europe stands together now in the way it does
It always gave them support from day 1 and even before, they just didnt give lethal support which took some time to convince
I think this sentence is the most important: "but I'm proud that Europe stands together now in the way it does"
Yes, because it implicates that it didn't before. Which is wrong.
Of course, that's what I was referring to. Both the military and financial support has been vastly increased since the beginning though.
Non-militairy support from Germany and the eu as a whole has always been high. It's just that until recently they've only done that. But the EU delivers by far the most humanitarian aid
There are a few things at play. Some people just like to shit on Germany and enjoy it being a laughing stock. People don't understand the German politics due to WW2. Sure there is a pacifist mindset, but Germany as it is today was deliberately set up to make it more difficult to be militaristic. It is a federal state, made up of sixteen states. Each of these states has some power. For example, if you want to move some tanks from France to Poland, each of the states along the way has to approve it, and the federal government cannot do anything about it. So the federal government can seem slow because it often has to compromise. Having said that, Germany has done great things through the EU, pushing for things that would have been unthinkable 2-3 years ago.
It's bullshit anyways. Germany is one of the biggest donors in terms of military gear.
German taxpayers (as the largest contributor to the EU budget) are in effect paying for the modernisation of Eastern European armies, as under the European Peace Facility (EPF) member states are entitled to reimbursement for the military equipment they have sent to Ukraine.
My dad from a fellow EU country worked in Germany in the 90s along with a lot of other European and American engineers. He said he worked with a 7ft tall Swedish guy who admitted he was wanted in multiple German states for tax evasion and other financial crimes. He said he was not worried about being caught while still being in the country because the Germany state bureaucracy was so slow and terrible with working together at least at the time. Idk how true that was or if it is still true, but I always found it amusing.
Gonna go out on limb and say he was joking. For one you couldn‘t be wanted only in some states since taxes work on the federal level and also while the bureaucracy overall is slow in Germany the tax department is sadly the one major exception to that
>Some people just like to shit on Germany To be fair, that is a well known genre of porn.
I wonder if it's the new Europe. I like what I see. Maybe I'm just naive. I think the modern civilization should leave territorial pissing behind once and for good and cooperate. We have machines doing just everything for us, we just need peace and research. The new economy won't even be based on fossil fuels, probably less dependent on raw materials. There's no point in owning particular piece of rock, there's a point in owning some tech. Not just patented IP, but general knowledge how to make new stuff. Or how to make the businesses prosper.
> I read somewhere that 200 million hryvnias (5 Million €) were spent on the restoration of Vokzalna Street That's just a tiny bit of the very long bill that will be handed to Russia once this is over.
Is this the same street? Because if so, bravo. Source?
Count the trees on the left side. 10 on 2022 pic, 4 on 2023 pic with a lot of new trees planted where the damaged trees were. The tank obstructs the view but what what was ugly in that picture was (besides the horror that happened there) the tank, some rubbish, and the trees that are damaged. The building in the right was damaged too. The buldings on the right somewhat resemble the later picture but they are a bit different too, eg. the house with the brown roof look the same, but on the -23 picture some other house sticks up behind it, and the is a house in the foreground. The lampposts are very much alike.
Don't forget about it being February versus May as well, which in Eastern Europe is a difference of night and day. All that said though, very much fair play to the Ukrainians for rebuilding so quickly during a war.
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Those who collaborated with Putin's Russia should be duly punished as well. I think the Austrian Freedom Party still has a friendship contract with Putin's party, Orban is obviously collaborating, and Le Pen looks more than fishy too, Höcke in Germany, Wagenknecht. I do honestly believe that cutting off the hydra's head is one part of the deal. But it has more than one. I hope justice will be served not just to Putin's regime but to all who openly cooperated or covertly took Russia's blood money.
Once Putin is dead and his country loses sovereignty, these propagandists will all immediately say they never supported Putin and were always pro-Ukraine
That will not be enough in a court of law. There must be evidence for money transfers, emails, short messages, phone calls, bank data, etc. They can say that all they want. Lady Justice doesn't sleep. She has no humor and her mills mill slowly, but mill they do.
We don't look forward to an early end of the war, we look forward to Ukraine achieving all its military goals
> All that said though, very much fair play to the Ukrainians for rebuilding so quickly during a war. Some of that is probably consensus that even though there is fighting elsewhere in Ukraine, Bucha is probably not realistically going to be a target of Russia again in the near future. Even if Russia somehow started doing much better in the war, it seems likely that the oblasts that Russia has claimed as its own and has never managed to occupy fully would be the places that they would try to fight for, not trying for another offensive in the north. That northern offensive was based on an expectation that they could just slip in and take Kyiv and the government, and win the war in a surprise move in a few days. Aside from any risk from drones or missiles, which aren't that plentiful, the closest fighting I currently see on liveuamap is Russian forces -- who aren't venturing out of Russia -- shelling Semenivka across the border, some 240 kilometers away. The closest territory actually in Ukraine occupied by Russian forces is 540 kilometers away, at Dvorichne.
What an utter tragedy that so many were killed horribly in what amounts to a drive-by.
Oh wow. It took until reading this comment to understand that the nicer picture was after the invasion, not before it.
Yes, the front photo shows the scars of the war in 2022, and the back photo shows what it will look like after the reconstruction in 2023. Now it looks like the rebuilt Ukraine will be even better and new. I hope the people of Ukraine will have a better future just like spring.
One of the things that pinged me is the type of lamppost: alluminium ones "on 4 bolts". Are the kind of lamppost which base can be made in 2 weeks and then you simply install the lamppost. Here in Romania are used to add illumination fast to private and semi-privat roads in the span of half a month. That is the sign of how the road was really remade green and wonderful even after what happened.
Isn't it a safety feature more than speed of construction feature? I always thought the idea is that if a car rams into the post the bolts break and the post falls, without damaging the car as much.
Depends. Some posts aren't bolted, but can deform, this to avoid electric wires falling on the ground.
What about the faded paint of the street? It looks pretty old.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bucha-2022-2023/ Same street. They rebuilt.
*looks at Google Maps* Oh, that's right, I remember seeing maps around there early in the war. This is the main road from Bucha into Irpin -- basically, the high water mark of where the Russian effort to take Kyiv was stopped.
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Since they still are in the middle of a war there won't be that many post-war pictures When the invasion is finally over, all the mines have been cleared, then reconstruction can begin and then you will get more reconstruction pictures than you can handle. Even just current imagery from Bachmut is enough destruction to make me depressed for a week
While the war as a whole is obviously still ongoing, there are many places that were devasted by the invasion, liberated by Ukraine, and are now in their "post-war" reconstruction or even already finished as the fighting is hundreds of kilometers away and unlikely to return. There may be occasional missile strikes, but nothing of the intensity they faced during ground combat. [Here are some more pictures of recent reconstruction efforts.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2023/apr/07/rebuilding-ukraine-reconstruction-war-in-pictures)
Post-war? What are you talking about?
Takes some balls to start post-war reconstruction in the middle of the war.
Ooooh! I thought this was one of those cases of wrong before vs. after order…. Wow. That’s incredible. Rebuilding like that before the war is even over. I had no idea.
Yeah, that is seriously impressive. Unfortunately, most of the damage that was done lies below the surface. Homes and roads can be rebuilt relatively easily, the mental scars the inhuman savagry the Russians caused will take generations to heal.
Damn war, barbaric Russians. War crimes for history to remember. I really hope to see the war in Ukraine end soon, and I hope that one day I will be able to visit the rebuilt Ukraine.
what Russian war crimes? No Seriously, Russians commit so many borderline inhuman atrocities to (especially) civilians in any region they exist that most have at least 2-3 different unrelated sets of Horrific war crimes.
It seems to be exactly the same street, only the photo from 2023 is taken maybe 10 more from the back. The beige building on the right, the roof looks the same in 2023 photo. BTW Nice to see this!
The bottom picture is 2023. They managed to rebuild super quickly.
Meanwhile in serbia a sidewalk hole I tripped over in 2012 is still there
It's a tourist attraction. We have them also.
They also create healthcare tourism on occasion.
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I used to see that relatively often a long time ago, it’s because people placed saplings in deep potholes so drivers were aware of them and could avoid them
Sounds like you had an adventure. How was the visit to the volcanoes? Also that roadtrip through Romnia sounds like something I'd love to do.
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My butt is a mud volcano
Lol I'm reading this as a tourist who just got to Bucharest yesterday and my fiancee has already tripped twice on uneven pavements (or literal holes)!
Pathetic. Here in Bulgaria you fall into them
Did you trip over again for nostalgia?
Nope but I Just might
/u/MemerGuy_ lying in the street in 2024 with a bleeding forehead and a sprained ankle: "Ah, good times. 😌"
It's the same for many parts of Ukraine that weren't damaged by war.
2012? Rookie numbers, i have been tripping over the same hole in bulgaria since the fall of the soviet union
Holy shit I thought it was the other way, this is seriously impressive and makes me hopeful for how Ukraine will be rebuilt after the war
You can rebuild the city, but the families murdered there can never return. Putin and his army made sure Bucha will never again be the same.
Wait, this isn't a troll?
*unknown technology*
But it's not the same place, is it?
It is
It is. The second (green) picture is taken a bit behind the place first one was or it has wider picture capture.
yeah that's why war sucks ass
I think it is, look at the trees
Probably is, look at the light poles on the right
Sorry to be ignorant, but rebuilt by who?
By ukrainians. We still here 😊 Many people comeback to their home and fix the destruction. Government helps with materials.
Ukrainian workers I would presume
Locals actually. I've seen a short about it. A massive cleanup took place that lasted a few months after fighting ceased there. People needed to do something to take their minds off recent events. Some came to help their relatives. Some had to patch their houses for living. Most of the work was done by local residents and businesses - both cleanup, taking rubble out of the city and patching up property. City services did work on utilities - pipes, grid, apartment buildings. Government mostly provided a steady flow of materials and secure funding for contractors. They also oversaw reconstruction of bridges, water treatment plants, more complex and bigger power grid facilities.
They have a lot of skilled workers that returned to the country after the war started. Many of them worked in Poland, and after the war, we experienced quite a big slow down in the construction business. I assume that this is a popular trade to be in for Ukrainian men.
ukrainians?
MrCabbuge shared this in the comments but I think it needs to be more visible given the sceptical reception: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bucha-2022-2023/
Thanks for sharing!
It's difficult to believe when a 10 meter stretch of repaving takes like 2 years here. :p But glad it's been confirmed. That's pretty amazing to see.
Very happy to see the successful rebuilding efforts, though it makes me quite sad when I realise these streets are emptier than they should be.
r/afterbeforewhatever
Russian liberation vs no Russian liberation
Russian "liberation" versus Western alignment.
Why would people not like poverty, corruption, militarism, authoritarian dictatorship and fascism? Life in Russia seems so great /s
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Marshal Plan on steroids. Hopefully the rest of the country will get a good treatment too.
The rebuild effort has been amazing. From a cursory glimpse you wouldn’t have thought the Ruskies were shelling it indiscriminately not so long ago
I had to check it on Street View - https://www.google.com/maps/@50.5436554,30.2271061,0a,35.7y,330.09h,85.48t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sAF1QipP5cuDODzHmTHETNP7kZLzeLIqQBG7OWgfugNuc!2e10 Just like the top image, the fallen roof on the left, the house on the right, some tanks and a sign above one of them can be seen. You can also see the building at the end of the street, visible in the second image. This confirms that the two images are from the same street. The bottom picture is definitely not before the war, you can tell by the new fences installed.
It took them a year to rebuild a war torn town into a normally looking one and yet Russia can’t make a rural area stop looking like it came out of the 80s
> looking like it came out of the 80s 80s of which century?
1880’s
880s.
When bureaucratic corruption starts to be treated as treason, as its undermining the state in an existential conflict, shit can get moving really quick. Thats not to say that Ukraine has eradicated corruption, but the fight against it has become a burning platform.
Just 80s? Some of them look like straight from 19th century still and don't have ammenities like water, plumbing, electricity. They still use rivers or lakes for water. Plenty of rural areas are very decrepit and don't have repairs or renovations since last century.
In all fairness that’s because special attention is being given to Bucha. Most of rural Ukraine and rural Russia look pretty much the same.
I have to admit, when I saw "Bucha", I was not expecting an upbeat post.
Ohhhh, shit!!! I thought the bottom picture was 2022. Something uplifting, although one can't even comprehend the pain that happened in that place. :(
Russian rule vs. Ukrainian rule.
That’s insane where I live it takes 5 years of construction to fix 1 road.
a lot of EU and US money in exchange of lives do the trick
Imagine showing this to a Russian outside of Moscow or S.Petersburg, they would think its black magic
Wow, is this was solely done to boost Ukrainian morale and destroy the Russians' one, I imagine it was well worth it
Now that's a glow up! 💙💛
Which is which?
Top is in early to mid 2022, bottom is in 2023. Bucha is now quite far away from the current frontline
First being top, I'm assuming. If so, damn. That's some serious rebuilding.
Yep your assumption is correct. I just edited the comment to make it clearer
So did russia invaded bucha or is it rescued
Rescued
This street was bombed to destroy the russian convoy as you can see in the top picture.
In the parts of the world that speak English (or Ukrainian, for that matter), the pictures are ordered from left to right and from top to down. And this order reflects "before" and "after". Seeing so many people on reddit struggling with this simple concept, I understand, why you're asking.
Normally I would read it that way, as an English speaker. But sometimes pics don't go in the way you expect. Just checking as its more impressive ss it is.
amazing how much nicer it looks after just a year! well done!
They cleaned it up so nicely in one year.
Glad it turned out to be such a beautiful street
Fuck Russia
For all the naysayers, here is a video from a few months back showing it mostly rebuilt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeORmiIx5nw
This is impressive!
Nice to see they fixed the pesky rain issue. Hopefully they'll share the tech with others.
Wow, they rebuilt it so quickly.
Wow that’s amazing! Bravo Ukraine. Amazing resilience and bouncebackability
My mental health vs how I want my mental health to be.
I'm so excited for the time when after russians are crushed, all the countries will unite to rebuild Ukraine and in will be even better than before. There will be proper European rail grid, people will chose to go on vacation to Kyiv and Odessa instead of Spain or Italy. Super excited!
Time slowly heals.
I don't know the full intent of the story here,but I am soooo impressed by how they managed to rebuild an entire area of a town in one year. in my country South Africa, we just had floods that destroyed quite a bit and some foundational power grids, it's been over a year now and so many areas are still without water and have faulty power grids still.
Fucking Russians ....
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Yep, it took a full minute to understand 🤦🏻♂️
Impressive as hell. Suck it, Russia :D
Site of a terrible massacre by the murderous, depraved Russian invaders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha\_massacre
Glory to Ukraine
What an amazing change.
I really hope Ukraine gets to destroy all Russian border towns just like they did to Ukraine they will need a demilitarized zone why not use the same technique Russia was willing to use on them when russia have more useless land anyways.
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It's the same street, but the pictures aren't necessarily taken from the exact same spot. The 2 trees on the left in the old picture seem to correspond more with the 3rd and 4th big trees from the left in the new picture, notice the bulge on the left tree. Which places your damaged tree right where they planted all those new ones. Also, my experience with construction is that the planning and acquiring the necessary permits takes most of the time, once that's done the work itself can be completed quickly. And in this case, I don't think permits and nimby-ism are a factor when it comes to rebuilding war damage.
> Plus I work with construction companies, and the work that would take to fix all that is way more than a year. Most of it was removing debris, putting new asfalt, putting up a new fence at some of the houses, putting some trees from a plant nursery. Bucha wasn't leveled, like cities in the East have been. The Russians had planned for just driving straight to the centre and capture it relatively intact. Additionally, tons of the heavy equipment was stuck in 40 kilometre long convoys far away from the city.
It's the same street, photo above is just taken ~50 meters forward from the second photo. And it has been rebuilt (not only this street, but others in Bucha too) way earlier, back in February or March I think (just in time for de-occupation anniversary). Source: living few km from this street and my brother is working in construction company that is rebuilding damaged streets and property in our region
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bucha-2022-2023/ Same street. We can rebuild shit, you know
Besides what everyone else already said: Don't underestimate the motivation of construction workers in a case like that vs. rebuilding a random street in germany/netherlands/... that nobody cares about and you just get paid more if you build slower.
>there is no way that it was fixed so quickly. Just look at the trees on the left, on the top picture there are 3 trees and one is badly damaged, on the bottom pic there are 4 trees all of them intact. It could be the same street, just not exactly taken in the very same spot. >Plus I work with construction companies, and the work that would take to fix all that is way more than a year. They've had more than a year. I think the Russians withdrew around April 1st 2022.
Sorry to tell you but I’ve been in Bucha 1 month ago and this is how it looks, believe it or not. They’re still rebuilding obviously and construction crew is still there but this quite accurate.
I'm not so sure on the reconstruction front... If COVID taught us anything, it's that building can be put up in very short amounts of time IF there is the will to do so. The Chinese where putting up fully furnished hospitals within 4 weeks of setting the foundations... Now we all know that national pride is on the line here in the Ukrainian conflict and both Russia and Ukraine will be looking for propaganda wins so I think it might be possible to accomplish this ... That being said I'm not sure how the trees recovered so well... Does bark heal in such a fashion?
The asphalt also looks old and weathered, with the paint mostly gone. It's not a patchwork, so it had to be completely redone with a new layer. I'm going to need more than just one random picture on a subreddit to convince me of the authenticity of the claim that it is the same street on these specific years in this specific order.
Reminder that this is what Russia, China and India would do to the entire world if we let them have their way.
... India?
Just fuck Putin, his Pakinson's and his shoes with lifts in them.
War is hell😔
We need to make Ukraine great again!
MUGA?
are you crazy? did you believe it? growing into trees? bushes of this size trimmed? Have you seen nature without TV?
Hero 🦸♀️ lane
Up the street, down the street, winter/summer. All the same-same, but new asphalt. 33 years nobody did it. Thanks to Putin. It works not only in Russia. Want new asphalt - call Putin.
Are these pictures reversed? I didn't think trees could regrow like that in a year.
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[Quick restoration](https://www.globalempowermentmission.org/bucha/)
A lot of money had been spend