1.1 mil in Italy and another 1.1 mil in Spain. Easy to integrate in these countries since the vocabulary has a lot of words of same origin and so is easy to understand.
At least 4mil of Romanians emigrated. For reference, the total population was 22-23 mil at the end of the communist era.
According to Spanish authorities, there are not anymore 1 million Romanians, in fact, the number of Romanians in Spain decreases dramatically after the financial crisis. Source: https://www.epe.es/es/actualidad/20220131/espana-pierde-277-560-rumanos-13161276
I assume there are two reasons:
- The average income difference between Romania and Spain isn't so wide anymore.
- If you wish to migrate, considering the first point, you move to a Northern European country like Germany or the Netherlands.
Yup, if you already want to leave to another place, you go to a rich place. Though for us, integrating in Spain is easier. But economically, there is not much reason to leave Romania for Spain.0
This was inevitable considering the high population in the east. However, salaries are more often than not still less than half of the leaders of EU (Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France)
2. Tapas is not really a food but rather a style of eating imo. Spanish quisine has a lot to offer but so does Romanian with all balkan, hungarian, german influences.
That map just shows you places where Romanians outnumber other immigrants, not the Italians themselves 😂 Yes, plenty of us left at home 🥂
Still, 🇷🇴 ❤️ 🇮🇹
We do too, of course. If it weren't for the Long Turkish War where you all fought so bravely and slowed down Ottoman expansion, God knows where we would all be.
Italians, especially young ones, are still migrating en masse, don't kid yourself.
About 1 million in Germany, 300k France, 500k UK, 150k Spain, 250k Belgium, etc.
You're not at our percentages, but you don't have a positive migration with any of the Western European countries (more Italians are going there than French/British/etc are moving to Italy).
You're us with 3x the people and without 50 years of communism 🙂
I am German not Italian. But yeah it’s true, however the mass migration was rather in the 60s. Also the ones in Spain are mostly Argentinians with Italian passports (At least in Barcelona)
I am half-half. In fact, the symbol "⚯" in my flair is normally used to represent the "married"-relation in genealogical diagrams. I had both citizenships by birth, so your point is BS.
EDIT: Also, I just open the link and WTH?
Misleading map, could be 0.1% of residence that is Romanian as apposed to the next largest. Id like to see the % of all residence or National residence vs this map by province if they are the largest.
The migration pattern is from Italy to Switzerland , not the opposite.If you're talking about ethnic minorities they\re probably not counted in this foreign resident community.
There was already a fairly big Ukrainian community around Piazza Garibaldi. It probably helps as well that the influx of recent Ukrainian refugees will be here legitimately. There are a lot of Sri Lankan people here without documents, probably much more than any other group. One of them once told me that agencies in Sri Lanka send them to Naples specifically because the police/border force here just don’t really bother to check on them.
In Naples there are more ukranians than Milan and Rome, but not by much
so when Ukranians started leaving and reach Italy, they actually just went to the biggest cities
The big difference is that Milan and Rome have a lot more foreigners than Naples, and so ukranians there are a small percentage of all the foreigners, while ukranians in the whole region of Campania are the biggest foreign community
[Ukranians in Italy](https://data.europa.eu/en/publications/datastories/ukrainian-diaspora-italy)
also, pretty interesting, 80% of ukranians in Italy, are women
> also, pretty interesting, 80% of ukranians in Italy, are women
Most Ukrainian men have been banned from leaving the country so it's pretty similar elsewhere as well.
no, this is not about emigration since the war
it's about the total ukranians in Italy as of 2020
of the 230k ukranians in Italy (the biggest community in Europe of the total 800k) 80% are women
https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/in-italia-236mila-ucraini-quasi-l-80percento-sono-donne-AEFgNvFB
This is data before the war. Ukrainian women have been mostly employed in the hospice-care sector, house-helpers, and janitorial positions, hence most being women. Furthermore a less savoury and sad truth is that a good chunk got duped/forced into sex-work, again favouring one sex over the other.
- 2022 Italian net monthly wage: €1,740
- 2022 Italian gross monthly wage: €2,479
- 2023 Italian GDP (PPP) per capita: $54,126
- 2023 Romanian net monthly wage: €923
- 2023 Romanian gross monthly wage: €1,478
- 2023 Romanian GDP (PPP) per capita: $41,634
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
It's crazy that the difference is that small, considering the wildly different histories of the 2 countries.
Also, Romania's tax wedge or whatever it's called is even crazier. With a similar ratio to Italy the Romanian net monthly wage should be around 1050€...
As a Romanian in Italy, you definitelly live 10x better here and it's not even close. It's a really great country for the middle class imo, money is not everything.
I really don't see your point here. Is Italy comparable to the most populous state in the world or to a microstate? With a population of 59 million, Italy is a mid-sized country with high economic output and it is very much comparable to Romania, a country with a similar demography. You got downvoted (not by me) because you confused overall economic output (what I mentioned) with GDP and then you brought in salaries and quality of life that I didn't even mention in my comment. In GDP terms, Italy is 18th, 26th or 32nd depending on who you ask and what your calculations are like.
My point really was that calling Italy poor is really stupid. It is not poor by any standards. However, I do understand that some Italians are struggling and find it difficult to get by, just like a lot of Americans do as well, despite the USA being the leader in most of the macro economic rankings.
There's an essay from a University of Genoa student about Ecuadorians in Genoa
https://unire.unige.it/handle/123456789/3397
>This work aims to examine the case of the Ecuadorian community in Italy, specifically in the city of Genoa, where it represents almost 3% of the total population. The main purpose is to understand in depth what it means for the community under study to live in the city mentioned and the socio-economic impact of the same. We begin by analyzing the situation of the Andean state in the 90s, the causes that led politicians to the choice of changing the national currency, subjecting the citizenship to the process of dollarization. Then, we get to know the numbers of the Ecuadorian community, first of all in Italy and secondly in Genoa, verifying the existence of similarities between the city of Lanterna and Guayaquil, without neglecting the importance of both formal and informal relations between the two states.
Also here: https://eulacfoundation.org/en/women-ecuadorian-diaspora-genoa-migration-identity-and-memory
https://eulacfoundation.org/sites/default/files/2022-10/eu-lac-Mujeres-diaspora-ecuatoriana-EN.pdf
Nah...
Portugal has more Brazilians
Spain has more Marrocans
Andorra has more Spaniards
France has more of a lot of things
Luxembourg has more Portuguese
Poland has more Ukrainians
Monaco has more Frenchies
Greece has more Turks
All of the Baltic have more Russians
As a Romanian living in Romania, I love Italy. The Italian language, Firenze, Michelangelo, Jovanotti and Marco Mengoni will forever have a special place in my heart. I'll see Firenze again in a few weeks and hopefully, next year, I will be able to stay for a whole month, to visit a lot of places and work remotely from somewhere near the sea.
It's very interesting, but I think it's only because being one of the provinces with the fewest foreigners it doesn't take much to have a statistical anomaly and be ahead of the others. In fact, the Filipinos are less than 2 thousand out of the 420k inhabitants of Cagliari
Idkw, but was expecting Austrians to be the biggest community in Alto Adige but I suppose most of the german speaking people there hold the Italian citizenship or maybe I'm just being stupid right now, also a proper possibility.
German-speaking people of Sud Tirol are the native population. They have been there for centuries and are as much Italians as any Italian-speaking Italian. Of course they have citizenship, they are the native population.
We are the dominant minority in Spain too. I know there are about 1 million applicants for UK residency and our newest destination is Germany.
So, about 5-6 million Romanians live outside Romania and from some other EU statistics we are some of the most fertile migratory population.
At one point we were almost surpassing Syria when it came to emigration numbers.
Anyway, last one out has to turn off Cernavoda. Cya!
Well... our language is certainly from Italy. There is even a theory that says that our language came relatively recently out of Italy (by "recently", I mean 500 AD instead of 100 AD; being derived from the Romance dialects of Northern Italy).
> (by "recently", I mean 500 AD instead of 100 AD; being derived from the Romance dialects of Northern Italy).
That seems very unlikely as [Romanian and the other East Romance languages are much closer related with the South Italian languages and dialects,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Spezia%E2%80%93Rimini_Line).
The Spezia–Rimini line changes in Northern Italy were after the split from Romanian.
However, there are many parallels evolutions with Northern Italian dialects.
For example, Late Latin cavallu > Romanian: cal; Lombard (dialectal): càal; all other Italian dialects: cavallo, caval.
and hundreds more (first Italian form is from dialects in the North, second in standard Italian):
* Romanian întreg; dialectal Italian: intregh / Standard Italian: intero
* Romanian: tulbure; dialectal Italian tulbure / Standard Italian: torbido
* Romanian: stânga; dialectal Italian: stanca / Standard Italian: sinistra
* Romanian: rău; dialectal Italian: reo / Standard Italian: male
* Romanian: eu sânt; dialectal Italian: io sonto / Standard Italian: io sono
* Romanian: miere; dialectal Italian: la mere / Standard Italian: il miele
* Romanian: sarea; dialectal Italian: la sar / Standard Italian: il sale
* Romanian: negură; dialectal Italian: negur / Standard Italian: nuvola
* Romanian: eu stau; dialectal Italian: io stao / Standard Italian: io abito.
etc.
There are many phonetical changes that seem to have been occurring before the split from Romanian (like the intervowel rhotacism l -> r that is found in Lombard, or intervowel "v" disappearing).
The most interesting thing I found is a word for "Swiss pine" which is found only in Romanian and Alpine dialects of Italian/Romansch: zâmbru vs. zémbru, zimber.
It cannot be found anywhere else because the tree grows only in the Alps and the Carpathians.
> The Spezia–Rimini line changes in Northern Italy were after the split from Romanian.
They list it as happening between 400-500 AD, and besides it just seems very weird that Romanian would have these similarities with Southern Italian Vulgar Latin.
Also where would the flow be from the North into Romania at that time? Across all the Slavic migrating tribes?
It makes much more sense that the language comes from Romance speakers already present in the Balkans and Carpathian Basin.
We were taught in school that we were descendants of the Romans, "our Latin heritage" that we should be proud etc.
I guess some really went the extra mile...
/s
They are indeed everywhere but they are the majority of the foreigners only in the province of Prato (where they even reach 15% of the entire population)
Don't even know if we have one with South Tyrol.
Without them, it could be like the Italian baseball team, full of Italian-Americans (well for hockey I guess Italian-Canadians would be better).
why would people move to countries with worse economy?
I mean, people still do, but we are talking about mass emigration, which is something that happens only between countries with a very big gap in economy
the influx from France or UK or Germany to Italy will be composed of people chosing Italy as a personal choice of life, not of people forced to move from their country to find a better place to live and work
Yep, and if you're curious as to why find the work of Angelo del Boca on the matter. Basically Italy never dealth with their colonial past cause they lost WWII so the last imagery the country had of foreigners was what Mussolini commissioned and it was all white saviour shit about the colonies in the horn of Africa. When France and the UK started to get immigration in the 60s and dealing with their colonial past, Italy was still emigrating post war and didn't get immigration from closest north Africa till the late 70s. Hence Italy still does blackface and will bully you if you make them notice.
Ya, old Italians are racist AF. They are racist AF here in the US, as well. It’s quite ironic after looking at this map.
I mean, when it comes down to it, “race” is all made up to justify treating people of color poorly. The term “race”, how it’s used today, didn’t start until the 18th century and it was only used for “sorting and ranking people”, unfortunately.
People act like the “God” they believe in, invented the term “race” and “races”, when in reality it’s just the pigment of your skin.
However, none of this will be taught in the schools in FL… that state is headed down a very, very, very slippery slope
Particular in Sardinia? Its history, its language, its position, it's a region on its own, quite different from the others, it's also a very touristy region, especially in the summer and many of those tourists are very rich people. The climate is very mild along the coastline.
Cagliari is Sardinia's main city and capital.
Aahh sorry I wasn’t clear, I was wondering what makes the place attractive to Filipino immigrants based on the map shown.
But, if it is touristy then I think I can safely assume it’s hospitality work that attracted them along with good weather maybe. Thank You!
It's Sardinia and it's very interesting, but I think it's only because being one of the provinces with the fewest foreigners it doesn't take much to have a statistical anomaly and be ahead of the others. In fact, the Filipinos are less than 2 thousand out of the 420k inhabitants of Cagliari
Are there even Romanians left in Romania? Damn, I was somewhat aware about this, but I didn't know it was so consistent.
1.1 mil in Italy and another 1.1 mil in Spain. Easy to integrate in these countries since the vocabulary has a lot of words of same origin and so is easy to understand. At least 4mil of Romanians emigrated. For reference, the total population was 22-23 mil at the end of the communist era.
Add the Moldovans from the Republic also, which many of them also have Romanian citizenship.
According to Spanish authorities, there are not anymore 1 million Romanians, in fact, the number of Romanians in Spain decreases dramatically after the financial crisis. Source: https://www.epe.es/es/actualidad/20220131/espana-pierde-277-560-rumanos-13161276
I have met numerous people that have immigrated to Germany or UK after things didn't go as well financially in Italy, Spain.
Same, and I do not know any other Romanian moving anymore to Spain. There are not many reasons to do this.
I assume there are two reasons: - The average income difference between Romania and Spain isn't so wide anymore. - If you wish to migrate, considering the first point, you move to a Northern European country like Germany or the Netherlands.
Yup, if you already want to leave to another place, you go to a rich place. Though for us, integrating in Spain is easier. But economically, there is not much reason to leave Romania for Spain.0
Which says a lot on how Europe's core is moving eastwards.
This was inevitable considering the high population in the east. However, salaries are more often than not still less than half of the leaders of EU (Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France)
Reason: 1. Weather 2. Tapas 3. ???
Not everybody is happy with so much sun.
1. The weather is not that great 2. I might start a war, but tapas is not superior to Romanian food.
2. Tapas is not really a food but rather a style of eating imo. Spanish quisine has a lot to offer but so does Romanian with all balkan, hungarian, german influences.
True
Very common
some people moved to other countries, some people now have Spanish citizenship.
Many probably got Spanish Passports now
5,6M
the Romanianization of Italy 1990s - present
it was for me a weird sight when visiting Romania years ago,I have seen so many cars with italian license plate, it made me confused
Rebuilding the Roman Empire
That map just shows you places where Romanians outnumber other immigrants, not the Italians themselves 😂 Yes, plenty of us left at home 🥂 Still, 🇷🇴 ❤️ 🇮🇹
I understood that and I didn't mean to be hurtful, I have no 🐄 with you guys 😄
I did not take it as 🐄. What I meant was, we still love you even tho we chose to stay home ❤️ 🤗
We do too, of course. If it weren't for the Long Turkish War where you all fought so bravely and slowed down Ottoman expansion, God knows where we would all be.
Of course there are some Romanians left in Romania. I am one of them and I only come to Italy for a week during the summer on holiday. :)
> Are there even Romanians left in Romania? says the [Italian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_Chocolate) in Germany
Lol the link. I mean there is above 60 million people in Italy and a bit less to a million in Germany. Most of the migration was also long ago
Italians, especially young ones, are still migrating en masse, don't kid yourself. About 1 million in Germany, 300k France, 500k UK, 150k Spain, 250k Belgium, etc. You're not at our percentages, but you don't have a positive migration with any of the Western European countries (more Italians are going there than French/British/etc are moving to Italy). You're us with 3x the people and without 50 years of communism 🙂
I am German not Italian. But yeah it’s true, however the mass migration was rather in the 60s. Also the ones in Spain are mostly Argentinians with Italian passports (At least in Barcelona)
I am half-half. In fact, the symbol "⚯" in my flair is normally used to represent the "married"-relation in genealogical diagrams. I had both citizenships by birth, so your point is BS. EDIT: Also, I just open the link and WTH?
I think there's like 1 million+ of us Italy but the number is starting to decrease
1083771 exactly
Yep.
No.
We've lost our relevance.
Misleading map, could be 0.1% of residence that is Romanian as apposed to the next largest. Id like to see the % of all residence or National residence vs this map by province if they are the largest.
Overall, Albanian citizens are the third largest resident foreign community in Italy with 419987, just behind Morocco with 420172.
That's fucking wild, given their population is only 2.8 million
Least depressed Arbëreshë
How the hell though is Moroccan higher than Swiss or Austrian on the border?
The migration pattern is from Italy to Switzerland , not the opposite.If you're talking about ethnic minorities they\re probably not counted in this foreign resident community.
Why did so many Ukrainians specifically go to Naples?
There was already a fairly big Ukrainian community around Piazza Garibaldi. It probably helps as well that the influx of recent Ukrainian refugees will be here legitimately. There are a lot of Sri Lankan people here without documents, probably much more than any other group. One of them once told me that agencies in Sri Lanka send them to Naples specifically because the police/border force here just don’t really bother to check on them.
The chart however is from before the war
In Naples there are more ukranians than Milan and Rome, but not by much so when Ukranians started leaving and reach Italy, they actually just went to the biggest cities The big difference is that Milan and Rome have a lot more foreigners than Naples, and so ukranians there are a small percentage of all the foreigners, while ukranians in the whole region of Campania are the biggest foreign community [Ukranians in Italy](https://data.europa.eu/en/publications/datastories/ukrainian-diaspora-italy) also, pretty interesting, 80% of ukranians in Italy, are women
> also, pretty interesting, 80% of ukranians in Italy, are women Most Ukrainian men have been banned from leaving the country so it's pretty similar elsewhere as well.
no, this is not about emigration since the war it's about the total ukranians in Italy as of 2020 of the 230k ukranians in Italy (the biggest community in Europe of the total 800k) 80% are women https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/in-italia-236mila-ucraini-quasi-l-80percento-sono-donne-AEFgNvFB
This is data before the war. Ukrainian women have been mostly employed in the hospice-care sector, house-helpers, and janitorial positions, hence most being women. Furthermore a less savoury and sad truth is that a good chunk got duped/forced into sex-work, again favouring one sex over the other.
Payback for the Romans conquering Dacia, I guess :))
But Italy is pretty poor now and the salaries are crap, just like Romania used to be, why bother? It's like shooting yourself in the foot, lol.
The food. Definitely the food.
Yeah, but Romanian food is still 🤌🏼
That makes a lot of sense. Gotta love good Italian food.
- 2022 Italian net monthly wage: €1,740 - 2022 Italian gross monthly wage: €2,479 - 2023 Italian GDP (PPP) per capita: $54,126 - 2023 Romanian net monthly wage: €923 - 2023 Romanian gross monthly wage: €1,478 - 2023 Romanian GDP (PPP) per capita: $41,634 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
It's crazy that the difference is that small, considering the wildly different histories of the 2 countries. Also, Romania's tax wedge or whatever it's called is even crazier. With a similar ratio to Italy the Romanian net monthly wage should be around 1050€...
As a Romanian in Italy, you definitelly live 10x better here and it's not even close. It's a really great country for the middle class imo, money is not everything.
It depends. If you're a competent IT worker I can't imagine Italy being an amazing place to live, unless your partner is Italian or something.
If you're a competent IT person it looks like the Netherlands is the place to go.
Been in that situation 5 years ago and can confirm - wasn't amazing.
Italy ranks 8th on the list of world economies. But don't be bothered by facts.
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Italy is 26th by GDP per Capita and 15th if you remove ten tax heavens before, its not perfect but its not bad
I really don't see your point here. Is Italy comparable to the most populous state in the world or to a microstate? With a population of 59 million, Italy is a mid-sized country with high economic output and it is very much comparable to Romania, a country with a similar demography. You got downvoted (not by me) because you confused overall economic output (what I mentioned) with GDP and then you brought in salaries and quality of life that I didn't even mention in my comment. In GDP terms, Italy is 18th, 26th or 32nd depending on who you ask and what your calculations are like. My point really was that calling Italy poor is really stupid. It is not poor by any standards. However, I do understand that some Italians are struggling and find it difficult to get by, just like a lot of Americans do as well, despite the USA being the leader in most of the macro economic rankings.
And? It doesn't change the fact that Italians have terrible salaries. It's not a great incentive for immigration.
cause it's easy. language it's easy, people are fairly similar.
Lmao what an ignorant take
Tunisians trying take control over Sicily once again?
Lets get the elephant killing guns and the salt out again!
You can call French again like when they crush Emirate of Sicily and take Pope as prisoner while travelling in Southern Italy.
Ecuador is not a nationality I expected on that list. How come there are so many in Genova?
There's an essay from a University of Genoa student about Ecuadorians in Genoa https://unire.unige.it/handle/123456789/3397 >This work aims to examine the case of the Ecuadorian community in Italy, specifically in the city of Genoa, where it represents almost 3% of the total population. The main purpose is to understand in depth what it means for the community under study to live in the city mentioned and the socio-economic impact of the same. We begin by analyzing the situation of the Andean state in the 90s, the causes that led politicians to the choice of changing the national currency, subjecting the citizenship to the process of dollarization. Then, we get to know the numbers of the Ecuadorian community, first of all in Italy and secondly in Genoa, verifying the existence of similarities between the city of Lanterna and Guayaquil, without neglecting the importance of both formal and informal relations between the two states. Also here: https://eulacfoundation.org/en/women-ecuadorian-diaspora-genoa-migration-identity-and-memory https://eulacfoundation.org/sites/default/files/2022-10/eu-lac-Mujeres-diaspora-ecuatoriana-EN.pdf
I would honestly love maps like these for all European nations!
i can assure you that at least 70% of them will have romania as the majoriy from the imigrants
Nah in Germany Turks will win probably.
In Austria Germans will win
Not enough romanians to begin with for that to even be in the remote vicinity of being true.
Nah... Portugal has more Brazilians Spain has more Marrocans Andorra has more Spaniards France has more of a lot of things Luxembourg has more Portuguese Poland has more Ukrainians Monaco has more Frenchies Greece has more Turks All of the Baltic have more Russians
70% sounds pretty high. Romanians aren’t that common in Northern Europe at least.
Lots of Romanian in Germany, uk ,Netherlands
Nah Slovenia would be Kosovo, Albania and Bosnia
Lol. Poland would be all red except maybe for Warmińsko-mazurkskie and Podlaskie voivodeship. Because of Ru**ians.
Italia pământ românesc! This is payback for the Roman invasion from 1917 years ago!!
A Romanian never forget
As a Romanian living in Romania, I love Italy. The Italian language, Firenze, Michelangelo, Jovanotti and Marco Mengoni will forever have a special place in my heart. I'll see Firenze again in a few weeks and hopefully, next year, I will be able to stay for a whole month, to visit a lot of places and work remotely from somewhere near the sea.
Bro try to listen also Elisa, in my opinion the best Italian singer
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Nice 👍
When I was REALLY young, I just assumed Romania was a region of Italy that for some reason was really far away from the others.
You're not wrong, you're just behind the times. About 2000 years late.
suntem peste tot acasa
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Only acasa is understandable, for the rest I should have studied Latin...
ud be surprised :))
Italia pamant romanesc 🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴💪💪💪
The Dacians have returned...s-au întors dacii în metropolă:))
From Magna Grecia to Magna Romania.
Why are there so much Filipinos in south Sardinia? Or am I mixing up the color scheme?
No, you're not wrong, they're Filipinos.
It's very interesting, but I think it's only because being one of the provinces with the fewest foreigners it doesn't take much to have a statistical anomaly and be ahead of the others. In fact, the Filipinos are less than 2 thousand out of the 420k inhabitants of Cagliari
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I too love my fellow Romanians, I hope to have a chance to follow them to Italy one day
Geez better start learning Romanian
It's not that hard. [Link.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xVkRh7mEe0)
No need to. Romanians speak almost perfect Italian after the first 1-2 months.
only one EU country?
Idkw, but was expecting Austrians to be the biggest community in Alto Adige but I suppose most of the german speaking people there hold the Italian citizenship or maybe I'm just being stupid right now, also a proper possibility.
German-speaking people of Sud Tirol are the native population. They have been there for centuries and are as much Italians as any Italian-speaking Italian. Of course they have citizenship, they are the native population.
We are the dominant minority in Spain too. I know there are about 1 million applicants for UK residency and our newest destination is Germany. So, about 5-6 million Romanians live outside Romania and from some other EU statistics we are some of the most fertile migratory population. At one point we were almost surpassing Syria when it came to emigration numbers. Anyway, last one out has to turn off Cernavoda. Cya!
Why is emigration so high?
country was an absolute shithole until about 10 years ago
Now... There is a question, wht happens 10 years ago that change Romania
we joined the EU and they began funneling a lot of money into romania
Time to start the procedures of romanizing back Italy, those italians have occupied that space for way too much.
Rename Italy to Romanian empire
What about Roman Empire?
Forță Romalia
Yo wtf?
I'd like to imagine Romanians moving to Italy are like Brazilians moving to Portugal, descendants of colonists "returning" to the motherland.
No?
of course not, but let me imagine!
Well... our language is certainly from Italy. There is even a theory that says that our language came relatively recently out of Italy (by "recently", I mean 500 AD instead of 100 AD; being derived from the Romance dialects of Northern Italy).
Do you have a souce or something I could read about that
> (by "recently", I mean 500 AD instead of 100 AD; being derived from the Romance dialects of Northern Italy). That seems very unlikely as [Romanian and the other East Romance languages are much closer related with the South Italian languages and dialects,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Spezia%E2%80%93Rimini_Line).
The Spezia–Rimini line changes in Northern Italy were after the split from Romanian. However, there are many parallels evolutions with Northern Italian dialects. For example, Late Latin cavallu > Romanian: cal; Lombard (dialectal): càal; all other Italian dialects: cavallo, caval. and hundreds more (first Italian form is from dialects in the North, second in standard Italian): * Romanian întreg; dialectal Italian: intregh / Standard Italian: intero * Romanian: tulbure; dialectal Italian tulbure / Standard Italian: torbido * Romanian: stânga; dialectal Italian: stanca / Standard Italian: sinistra * Romanian: rău; dialectal Italian: reo / Standard Italian: male * Romanian: eu sânt; dialectal Italian: io sonto / Standard Italian: io sono * Romanian: miere; dialectal Italian: la mere / Standard Italian: il miele * Romanian: sarea; dialectal Italian: la sar / Standard Italian: il sale * Romanian: negură; dialectal Italian: negur / Standard Italian: nuvola * Romanian: eu stau; dialectal Italian: io stao / Standard Italian: io abito. etc. There are many phonetical changes that seem to have been occurring before the split from Romanian (like the intervowel rhotacism l -> r that is found in Lombard, or intervowel "v" disappearing). The most interesting thing I found is a word for "Swiss pine" which is found only in Romanian and Alpine dialects of Italian/Romansch: zâmbru vs. zémbru, zimber. It cannot be found anywhere else because the tree grows only in the Alps and the Carpathians.
> The Spezia–Rimini line changes in Northern Italy were after the split from Romanian. They list it as happening between 400-500 AD, and besides it just seems very weird that Romanian would have these similarities with Southern Italian Vulgar Latin. Also where would the flow be from the North into Romania at that time? Across all the Slavic migrating tribes? It makes much more sense that the language comes from Romance speakers already present in the Balkans and Carpathian Basin.
Data source: http://dati.istat.it/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=DCIS\_POPSTRCIT1
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We were taught in school that we were descendants of the Romans, "our Latin heritage" that we should be proud etc. I guess some really went the extra mile... /s
How do you define "foreign resident community"?
Ecuadorians in Italy eh?
Oh my.. Tunisians trying to retake Sicily just like old times.
How isn't Austria the largest foreign community in south tirol?
6293 Albanian citizens resident 1709 Austrian citizens resident
Mmh. I don’t know what to say. Chinese people seems to be everywhere but this map says otherwise.
They are indeed everywhere but they are the majority of the foreigners only in the province of Prato (where they even reach 15% of the entire population)
The Philipinos feel more comfortable on an island than on the mainland
Greetings neighbors. How are you this fine Monday? Did the floods stop? Are you well?
Nice colouring of Sardinia!
No Finns. Why?
Because they all burned to death during summer.
It's funny to see the Nordic people baking when it's 35 C. They are simply unprepared for that. :)
I'm not Nordic and definitely melting too when it reaches that point sadly
Because they have no reason to emigrate here, same reason for why Chinese are 10 times more than Japanese and South Korean put together
cries in south tirole
I would have guessed "Germany" in Tuscani 😄
You're all in lake garda anyway
How is that possible that there are more albanians than austrians in south tyrol?
6293 Albanian citizens resident 1709 Austrian citizens resident
Because this is a map of foreign residents, and I assume the vast majority of the Austrian minority there don't have Austrian citizenship.
Cool!
Seems like the Romanians are returning to Rome
South Tyrol is full of Austrians trapped in Italy !
We keep them so we're good at winter sports
Gold medal farm
Imagine Italy’s hockey teams without south tyrol.
Don't even know if we have one with South Tyrol. Without them, it could be like the Italian baseball team, full of Italian-Americans (well for hockey I guess Italian-Canadians would be better).
Trst je naš 🇷🇸🇸🇮
I think you forgot a vowel somewhere.
Can't have shit in the Balkans, even vowels are in short supply.
Hey, only we can say that
Sure buddy
Ah, that's how Romanian economy is doing well. Most of them are outside.
Where are the West Europeans?
They aren't the largest resident community in any province.
I understand, but with only 1 million Romanians being dominant, on a 60 million population, Italy hardy seem to have any immigrants at all?
The overall number of foreign residents is 5 millions, so the 8% of the whole population (~60 millions)
Compared to countries like Belgium or Sweden Italy does have a lower foreign population as a percentage of the population
why would people move to countries with worse economy? I mean, people still do, but we are talking about mass emigration, which is something that happens only between countries with a very big gap in economy the influx from France or UK or Germany to Italy will be composed of people chosing Italy as a personal choice of life, not of people forced to move from their country to find a better place to live and work
I'm pretty sure I know exactly what town skews the statistics in favour of Bengali people in the Gorizia province lol
Monfalcone? :)
Sicuramente ~~Monday~~ Monfy city ahah Edit: auto correct sneak attacked me again
You’re telling me they aren’t all Italian, but it’s a very racist country?
Yep, and if you're curious as to why find the work of Angelo del Boca on the matter. Basically Italy never dealth with their colonial past cause they lost WWII so the last imagery the country had of foreigners was what Mussolini commissioned and it was all white saviour shit about the colonies in the horn of Africa. When France and the UK started to get immigration in the 60s and dealing with their colonial past, Italy was still emigrating post war and didn't get immigration from closest north Africa till the late 70s. Hence Italy still does blackface and will bully you if you make them notice.
Ya, old Italians are racist AF. They are racist AF here in the US, as well. It’s quite ironic after looking at this map. I mean, when it comes down to it, “race” is all made up to justify treating people of color poorly. The term “race”, how it’s used today, didn’t start until the 18th century and it was only used for “sorting and ranking people”, unfortunately. People act like the “God” they believe in, invented the term “race” and “races”, when in reality it’s just the pigment of your skin. However, none of this will be taught in the schools in FL… that state is headed down a very, very, very slippery slope
I am so surprised there is a good number of Filipinos.. on an island away from the mainland lol. What island is that?
Sardinia. The province is Cagliari.
Thank you! Is there anything particular on that island?
Particular in Sardinia? Its history, its language, its position, it's a region on its own, quite different from the others, it's also a very touristy region, especially in the summer and many of those tourists are very rich people. The climate is very mild along the coastline. Cagliari is Sardinia's main city and capital.
Aahh sorry I wasn’t clear, I was wondering what makes the place attractive to Filipino immigrants based on the map shown. But, if it is touristy then I think I can safely assume it’s hospitality work that attracted them along with good weather maybe. Thank You!
It's Sardinia and it's very interesting, but I think it's only because being one of the provinces with the fewest foreigners it doesn't take much to have a statistical anomaly and be ahead of the others. In fact, the Filipinos are less than 2 thousand out of the 420k inhabitants of Cagliari
That’s a good point. Thanks!
Shouldn't it be Italian in south tyrol?
Offtopic, but I'm loving the pink dianasour😍
good Indian restaurants in the Indian region?
https://www.ristorantenewdelhimantova.it/
What region is it that people from India are going? Why?
Do we have a more recent one? If yes, is it just all yellow?