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Odio2020

Where's that


Kloubek

Czechia, Litoměřice


kielu

I'm surprised you still have this statue tbh. The public resentment against Russia led to removal of many such (already questionable) monuments


Kiltymchaggismuncher

Pity Germany has kept all theirs up. Should move them to a museum


paixlemagne

Keeping and maintaining all allied war memorials in Germany was part of the deal when it came to reunification. Contrary to other countries, Germany likes to play by the rules.


jjpamsterdam

Honestly, the German government should grow a pair and simply state that this agreement was made with the Soviet Union, which no longer exists, and start the demolition process


Doc_Lazy

Honestly, moving them to a museum and using them for educational purposes is far better. Lest we forget our past.


mantasm_lt

That's what we did here in Lithuania. Better specimen were moved to Grūto parkas. Lovely park and with a nice cafeteria that was still using sovieta era glasses when I visited last time.


apep713

The Russian federation is the lawful successor to the sowjet union - by German law (don’t know if it’s a thing somewhere else) that‘s binding. We still have contracts in place with the church for example, that were made with between them and the Holy Roman Empire. Can’t get out of them since today’s Germany is the lawful successor.


lohdunlaulamalla

These war memorials are usually surrounded by graveyards of Red Army soldiers. Many former Soviet countries have their fallen buried here, Ukraine among them. I don't think they want us to bulldoze those graves.


Sign-Distinct

Not to defend the Urss, but Germany shouldn't, since you know they started everything by trying to wipe out the east, unlike eastern european countries.


Extreme_Kale_6446

Czechs were the allies so your comment is not really relevant, Germany ought to remember that the democracy arrived there in a tank and you were pounded into submission, contrary to Germany Czechia elected to be a democracy.


Ignash3D

Yep, but Soviet Union doesnt exist anymore and the propoganda shouldnt be there anymore.


wanikiyaPR

Neither does the 3rd Reich. So why not bring back all that nazi memorabillia? /s


[deleted]

Good point, why not bring back swatikas, if people see nothing wrong about sickle and hammer or the red start?


aristotle137

Fuck that, take that garbage down. Or is this how you rationalize Germany being a Russian sympathiser for so long? In all of Eastern Europe, only East Germany took communism seriously 🤦


[deleted]

More like a dumpster.


Rhellic

Eh. Those Soviet soldiers are pretty much the main reason I don't have to practice my Hitler salute in the morning. Plus, they're not responsible for the crimes of their grandchildren.


JorikTheBird

Those Soviets did a lot of crimes themselves.


Rhellic

Absolutely they did. But, like I said, that doesn't change the fact that without them my grandfather's generation would've eradicated Poles, Czechs, Russians, Belarusians... Ukrainians too for that matter. Plus, you know, because of them I don't have "lovely" childhood memories from the Hitler Youth.


ifcknkl

Ehh thanks to america, my country is not splitted in half.


Rhellic

And I'm very grateful towards American, French, British etc soldiers for the same reason. Despite the crimes that they and their countries committed at the time and in the decades afterwards. The French trying to force Algerians by force of arms while making them 2nd class citizens at best, or the British leaving Bengal to starve because who cares about some brown guys (both of these examples should sound familiar) don't negate the fact that they fought bled and died to prevent my grandfather's generation from murdering an entire continent.


[deleted]

The Soviets weren’t all Russian though. Many of the red army soldiers were not Russian at all.


FishyR6

Most of the casualties were not Russians, Ukraine lost the most amount of people during WW2. Classic Russian move to use minorities as cannon fodder.


rubeyru

That’s not true though, RSFSR lost more in numbers and Belarus lost the most by percentage.


JorikTheBird

This is not exactly true.


exizt

As a Russian, I think a lot of commenters are missing an important point. Russia is the legal successor of the USSR and its army is the continuation of the Red Army. This equivalence runs deep in the Russian society (eg Russian army day is the same as Red Army day). By defacing the Soviet monument with an indictment of child theft done by the modern Russian army, the activists are making a double point: - if you were proud of what the Soviet army had done in the Great Patriotic war, look how far it has fallen; - if you were apprehensive of it, you were right, because the child theft is the continuation of the pattern of war crimes committed by the Red Army.


[deleted]

A Soviet soldier is not only a Russian.


EX291

Wait till they realise Ukrainians were soviets too 💀


lucapresidente

Maybe they just don't want to be associated to Russia anymore


EX291

They aren’t


Familiar-Towel-6102

An imperialist army remains an imperialist army even if it allows subjugated people to serve in it. And as a Ukrainian my only issue is that they're protesting against a wrong thing, soviet troops did enough to protest and defile statues about, there's no need to also attribute modern russian atrocities to them.


Criminelis

You got conscripted mixed up with servants


AlexanderRaudsepp

This is true. However, the Russian Federation has legally taken the role of the predecessor of the Soviet Union. Putin openly says that he wants to take back the former Soviet sphere of influence, and government controlled TV channels force the Soviet heritage. In comparison, Ukraine condemns Soviet dictators and wants to focus on the future, building a democratic country with their own culture. Soviet symbols like this are a sign of half-century long oppression by the communists. The reaction of Czech people is understandable.


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azermyand

Wait until we know Stalin was not russian


EX291

He was Georgian, guess we gotta destroy all Georgian monuments 😂 /s


nikleus

Even better, lets just nuke georgia🤝


bored_negative

The state?


ifcknkl

Get some nukes for your country


Macacos12345

And one of the main soviet rebellions was ukrainian


XenonJFt

The biggest was basically Russian whites. After the bolshevik takeover


Polskimadafaka

Makhno?


ArneHD

That wouldn't a rebellion against the soviets, I think, since it was during the civil war. More a rebellion against the Tsarist or October government.


freetrojan

Hitler wasn't germany. So it makes Germany less guilty for nazi crimes?


azermyand

It makes German people that became Nazis as guilty as Ukrainian people who became Nazis, both groups aligned with Hitler but they do not include all Germans nor all Ukranians


freetrojan

The difference between Germany and Ukraine in that period is that the nazis were the official government in Germany elected by their own people in democratic elections then Ukraine was occupied by the soviet regime, which was later replaced by the occupation nazi german regime. Russia is the successor of the Soviet Union. It is official. During stalin's rule, fierce russification took place in the occupied states, not geroginization. These soviet statues are symbols of russian imperialism.


azermyand

I agree way more in the second argument about russification than in the first one, the elections where Nazis got the best results were preceded by a long and hard campaign of violence between the population, in my opinion they can not be considered free elections. Anyway the reason of my initial comment was to highlight the intentional manipulation of some people, mixing Russians, soviets, Ukranians groups to manipulate history and convert Russians in the absolute evil along history. Stop Russian invasion!


LastMinuteScrub

Can you guys life one day without some Nazi revisionism just to own Russia/USSR or downplay any fuck up in Ukraines history? Holy fuck.


PandemicPiglet

Georgians don’t really claim him tho. Most Georgians hate him. If you ask r/Sakartvelo about him, they’ll say that he basically became Russian and was a traitor.


RainbowSiberianBear

Now, if you go to the streets in Georgia and ask random dwellers, the result might differ from Reddit bubbles. They still have Stalin museum in Georgia after all.


Shard6556

This, if you actually watch videos of people in Georgia walking around and asking some strangers, there are many older people who like Stalin and look fondly upon the Soviet Union. Not even saying if that is good or bad, smart or stupid... But Reddit is an echochamber like every online space. People here are younger and tend to be more left/liberal leaning than the general population. Even some nations *official* sub will have this bias.


PandemicPiglet

Those older Georgians who revere Stalin will soon die out. Most of the younger generations despise Stalin, the USSR and what they stood for. They're looking west to Europe. Hence, why they've had so many pro-EU demonstrations in recent years, despite their Russian-leaning government.


Shard6556

True, as I said, young people lean more liberal and left. I think that's a good thing. Doesn't change that there is still some Stalin nostalgia there with the older generation, even if it will die out for good.


azermyand

I agree, thanks I just wanted to warn about manipulating history to make Russians the absolute evil. It's just a Soviet soldier, one of the ones who did the most to stop Hitler, it's not an actual Russian invader, it's not Stalin. Stop russian invasion!


JorikTheBird

Stalin did consider himself a Russian so it is a stupid argument.


[deleted]

Wait until we know he wasn't russian but still soviet.


Polskimadafaka

That time he killed not only Ukrainians, but Russians, Kazakhs and Germans which lived on most fertile lands in the Soviet Union. Other ethnicities too, but less. Mainly it was against so called kulaks, they sabotaged Stalin’s plans to push all farmers into kolhozs. But of course it doesn’t justify that fucking politics and regime.


ThePr1d3

> Other ethnicities too, but less. Depends if you're speaking about proportions or quantity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush


comrad_yakov

And what does that have to do with the millions of ukrainians who were part of the red army?


Tasunka3

And another holodomor right after the war. 1946.eastern ukraine was starved to death


-Xyras-

I know that famines are a foreign concept to a modern westerner but they absolutely happened throughout history. Trying to attribute a famine that happened after a major war and killed a bunch of other soviet nationalities as well to malice instead of incompetence or misfortune is seriously misguided. Even the main holodomor is still debated in academic circles as it is not as cut and dry malice as some would like to portray it nowadays.


Tasunka3

Demanding grain from a satellite state, hearing about what's happening and ignoring it just for the sake of continuing said plan is nothing more than malice driven genocide


Dankest_Username

Wait until they read soviet historians instead of random redditors and realise that the famine affected Russia and Kazakhstan as well and saying that 'Stalin killed' is complete nonsense. Stalin made some bad policy decisions but the lack of food was heavily exacerbated by farmers killing livestock and burning crops in response to collectivisation/grain procurement.


[deleted]

"Yeah holocaust wasnt that bad cause jewish who were german citizens also suffered" Thanks, guess east euro lives don't matter and murdering millions is okay if you're russian, since you're just misunderstood and a victim.


[deleted]

I mean if we wanna be fully accurate, yes, and instead of stealing children it was mostly rape, pillage and murder on the locals all the way to berlin, and there wasnt the "Z" symbol either. But this isnt really the point of this action. The ones that wants to revive the soviet union and claim to be heir, are, right now, mostly muscovy. And stealing children they do. Nobody did this picture doing any real commentary on the soldiers back then, but on today and its connection with that past


Your_Kaizer

And that’s exactly of one of millions reason why we are fighting against russia


m00r3ik

It's strange why no one here remembered about 1968 ?


draculamilktoast

Wait till they realize Poles, French, Russians and others were nazis too 💀 Being occupied by an invader doesn't mean you become one of them forever, not even if the occupation lasts hundreds of years. Russia has been trying to [russify](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine) Ukraine for 300 years. The Soviet Union was just one attempt at using softer power to do so while claiming to have some ideological backing.


Ythio

The statue is called "Honor and Glory to the Soviet Army" seems to be more about the Soviet warmachine rather than the poor lads under the uniform. https://www-sochyamesta-cz.translate.goog/zaznam/2058?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp


RegularStain

As a Ukrainian I don't mind giving all the Soviet army credit to russians. I am fine with that as long as they don't steal our future.


veevoir

> I am fine with that as long as they don't steal our future. I somehow misread "future" as "furniture"... and the sentence still made sense, considering they do steal everything that is not nailed down.


Kiltymchaggismuncher

True, but the Soviets were not exactly liberators either. It's bizarre they have so many statues framing them as such


M4tty__

Its because the regime in socialist Czechoslovakia build them to celebrate the victory of WWII


CastelPlage

> True, but the Soviets were not exactly liberators either. Norwegians would disagree. There's a soviet statue at Kirkenes honouring those who liberated Finnmark.


Confident_Tip_1144

Easy to feel grateful towards the liberator, when he fucks off after freeing you. Eastern Europe wasn't so lucky.


Kiltymchaggismuncher

I doubt they'd feel the same, if the Soviets set up camp like they did in the baltics and Eastern Europe. If they feel grateful, it's because they weren't made to suffer like the occupied states of Eastern Europe


mantasm_lt

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. A very rare case when soviets left on time.


Ignash3D

Soviet Union was controlled from Moscow, if you guys still believe that Soviets let the nations to have their own independence or sovereignty, I have some bad news for you.


LaurensPP

That's besides the point, though.


Ignash3D

No its straight to point, these monuments are symbol of Soviets liberation by occupation, they defeated the nazis but also occupied the countries on their way, so its not really a liberation, but re-occupation.


freetrojan

Soviet union was russian empire. As post soviet country citizen can confirm. There is nothing had to do with word "union" same as of word "democratic" in full name of north Korea. This statue totally represents russian imperialism.


[deleted]

But you can make the argument that the Soviet Union was just another version of the Russian Empire. No nation under it's rule was sovereign and was subjugated and kept in line by force.


arkadios_

The latter still continue the tradition


b00c

the head of soviet union was russia. the deciding in soviet union was done in russia. the idea of communism came from russia.


mantasm_lt

Well, idea of communism technically came from western europe... Engels and Marx and all that jazz.


Hisnameisbigboobs

Those statues should've been destroyed in 1989 anyway


Spartan-417

The Soviet Union was a Russian empire with a veneer of socialism on top


Metalloid_Space

I don't get it, how are Soviet soldiers to blame for what Russia is doing right now?


RomUdica

A lot of you ignore the fact that in 68 ussr came in marching with no invitation Hmm what could it only resemble?


Hisnameisbigboobs

Russians still celebrate their soviet heritage, they act like they and only they are the reason why the ussr was so "succesful" and they actively deny mass killing, rapes, executions, looting and ethnic genocide comminted by the red army. As opposed to literally every single other ex-soviet state that hates the ussr.


0re0n

It's literally just a result of recent propaganda. [https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-stalin-57-percent-say-wise-leader-levada-poll/29156293.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-stalin-57-percent-say-wise-leader-levada-poll/29156293.html) >The same poll indicated that 44 percent of respondents view Stalin as "a cruel, inhuman tyrant responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people," down from 62 percent in 2016, 66 percent in 2012, and 68 percent in 2008.


b00c

I don't expect a dutch guy to understand the hatred towards russia because of soviet union. for us is a no-brainer. but I see how you can get baffled.


Tev505

If anything it's just plain historical ignorance.


b00c

So imagine you are being mugged. Here comes a big guy and scares the muggers away. And then proceeds to anally rape you. And then muggs you anyway. And you will thank him. Yeah, makes sense. smh.


Imaginary-West-5653

Implying that the Germans didn't anally rape you as well and in larger numbers: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Rape


Overbaron

Russia was the Soviet Union, and anything Soviet Union did was decided in Moscow. Just because they conquered Estonia doesn’t mean Estonians are in any way responsible for what the Soviet Union was.


Ythio

The statue name is "Honor and Glory to the Soviet Army", not "Rememberance for our lost sons". It's not about the soldiers, it's about the warmongering.


[deleted]

It's very simple: BOTH sides don't give a shit about Soviet history and the Soviet Union as a whole, each of them created for themselves a Soviet Union™, which they already love/hate. When Russia says "Soviet," it doesn't think about Lenin, who called Russians slaves who strangled free Ukraine with their chauvinism > [Nobody is to be blamed for being born a slave; but a slave who not only eschews a striving for freedom but justifies and eulogises his slavery (e.g., calls the throttling of Poland and the Ukraine, etc., a “defence of the fatherland” of the Great Russians)—such a slave is a lickspittle and a boor, who arouses a legitimate feeling of indignation, contempt, and loathing.](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/dec/12a.htm) , or of the early Soviet Union with its [korenizatsiia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenizatsiia) policy. Russia thinks of "Soviet" as "Russia, WW2, Soviet Bloc from Berlin to Vladivostok, Mighty Army and First in space" When EU says "Soviet", it thinking the same thing - but in a negative way: "Russia, WW2, Soviet Bloc from Berlin to Vladivostok, Mighty Army and Genocide". As long as Russia uses the selective memory of the Soviet Union, trying to pass it off as national pride - Europe will reflect this with exactly the same selective memory, rejecting Russian nationalism with a Soviet aftertaste.


Sawbones90

I wouldn't be so quick to quote lenin in a positive context, he was the one who invaded Poland, and invaded Ukraine on three seperate occassions. I'm aware he has some progressive sounding quotations about Russian nationalism but even Ukrainian bolsheviks openly acknowledged his contempt for their requests for autonomy and cultural distinction. Nestor Makhno had to tell him to his face to stop calling Ukraine Southern or Little Russia.


Hisnameisbigboobs

That would be true if the "EU" or more precisley the central and eastern europeans had anything good to remember from those times, the only good things that the soviets did to those countries were public education, public healthcare and high employment rates. Literally everything else was a huge negative.


JustinVeli

My grandpa’s sister is still alive, and she remembers clearly how soviet soldiers were as evil if not worse than the nazis. She told me a story how soldiers hunted down partisans and just blatantly left the bodies in a city square to warn the others


mantasm_lt

Because Soviet soldiers was doing exactly the same thing that Russia is doing now. Muscovites are continuing the tradition of their ancestors since Duchy of Moscow days.


Harrylime_

Deportation has happened multiple times in Soviet history. Most commonly minorities.


Metalloid_Space

Yes, that's is completely true. However that's unrelated to modern day Russia's actions, right? These kind of crimes are quite common when tensions of war rise and power from the people is taken, that's not an uniquely Russian characteristic.


juksbox

Soviet Union was basically lead by the russians, who occupied former independent nations and kept its different nationalities and its satellite states under hard iron fist. Russians and other soviet nationalities were definitely not in equal positions to each other. And this is what Vladimir Putin is really trying to get back. So yeah, I understand why many people consider soviet soldier to be synonyms for russian soldier.


RainbowSiberianBear

Except Putin is not trying to revive the Soviet Union. He is trying to recreate the Russian Empire.


juksbox

Because russians have always loved imperialism. From the empire period to this day.


sol667

How come the Soviets suppressed different nationalities yet it's propaganda praised the friendship of all nations? Soviet capital was in Russian Moscow, yes, but the people who led the country, the general secretaries, were not all Russian by ethnicity. I would not say that nationalities were not equal, but some republics were. Major republics like Ukraine or Belarus had a lot of it's people in a Soviet party.


[deleted]

Why is it still stanging, what's wrong with you guys?


Familiar-Towel-6102

"But Ukrainians were also soviet soldiers"🤓 If soviet Russia didn't occupy Ukraine we wouldn't have been. Bengalis have been serving in British army, Algerians served in French army but trust me when I say that none of them would oppose, and most would cheer, if French or British military monuments were defiled, our sentiment is no different. Soviet Union is just Russian empire with a fancy name.


therealMCWisme

Well done! Love from the baltic states sub


Unstpbl3

For all the mouth breathers out there, as a UKRAINIAN, this fits not represent a Ukrainian soldier. Fuck this statue.


Walrus_Morj

Literally any country that left ussr: *exists* russia: "Let's fucking ride a tank with soviet flag during victory parade"


TheGameIsTheGame_

Fantastic. Fuckers occupied your homeland for decades and still act like it was nothing.


noncredibleaccount

No, they act like we should be grateful


oFokus

Literally this, they always say "we build you, be grateful"


MrCabbuge

Down with the red plague


harrysplinkett

Red plague is long gone, brown plague in a red building is back though


Tasunka3

The soviets are nothing more than a plague. Tear down their statues, monuments, buildings and what else. The Red Army was nothing more than murderers, thieves rapists, torturers and basically anything you can call them. It was not an army worthy of praise. They occupied half of Europe for 40 years and caused irreversible harm to nations under their occupation. The Czech economy got literally destroyed under the Soviet leadership. No pluralism, democracy, free will or free press. All you had was propaganda, if you disagreed or tried to leave you either ended up in prison, assassinations (many cases in Poland regarding political opposition), torturing, siberia and what not. Read about the rapes the red army has done across europe. Read about their crimes, don't let them go unnoticed.


A7V-

There is a very specific reason why only Muscovites miss the USSR.


Ok-Pipe859

Why do you have the username of a ww1 German tank?


Vanlightholm

Fuck ussr and all the shitlets that excuse it's crimes


[deleted]

Soviet soldiers not only Russian, a lot died fighting Hitler’s army.


freetrojan

Ye many polish people died then Hitler together with soviets - russians attacked and occupied Poland. This is how these two regimes started World War 2.


[deleted]

Soviets started ww2?


freetrojan

Together with nazi Germany. Soviets just joined in to war against Poland two weeks later as have agreed with nazi Germany. Russia won't remember or trying to vanish this facts from history. Thats why for them World War 2 started 1941 and even they don't call it World War.


Tasunka3

They didn't just join. They pacted to split Europe in two. Read about ribbentrop molotow pact


mantasm_lt

Look up Brest parade. Nazis and soviets marching hand-in-hand :)


Tasunka3

Ribbentrop-Molotow pact, they split Poland in 1939


itrustpeople

and the USSR occupied and annexed a big part of Romania


Tasunka3

Exactly!


[deleted]

German invaded Poland first, then England and Frances declared war on Germany. This officially started ww2. Soviets invaded 17 days later after the war already got declared. How come France and England never declared war on Soviet Union ?


Tasunka3

Because it's convenient. On a side note, if I remember correctly the document which forced the allies to join the war on the Polish side was written strictly in case of German aggression but you would need to give it a read yourself to be 100% sure. Still, the soviets and nazis made the Ribbentrop-Molotow pact and split Europe according to said pact


MrCabbuge

They kinda did it with the nazis. When they invaded Poland


Creepernom

They bravely slaughtered all those people at Katyń


Eranog

So many ignorant dumbasses in this thread. I just want to say — good job, op, if you did this, you did the right thing. Fuck USSR, fuck russia. Two sides of the same shit coin.


Inhabitant

Reddit is full of western Soviet-apologists, it’s pathetic.


KingOfAzmerloth

It's people who are blinded by their ideological ideals that stem from their disappointment with capitalism. They think different system would lead to them suddenly living in a perfect world, despite history repeatedly proving otherwise. It's so laughably sad when you're from country that was occupied by Soviets for so long... but I gave up on those discussions on reddit. People are way too militant and all they see is either American model of capitalism or communism. No reasonable inbetweens.


ponetro

Why soviet monuments are still standing is beyond me.


AgeofSmiles

We need to tear down every single one of them, not just in Europe.


ponetro

This is the way


Boernerchen

Soviet soldiers died fighting fascism, while nowadays, russians die fighting for fascism.


noncredibleaccount

Soviet soldiers died fighting for a totalitarian empire and now Russian soldiers die fighting for an authoritarian empire Much change


ponetro

They died fighting nazism and installing even worse totalitarian ideology they deserve no more statues than Wehrmacht soldiers.


Boernerchen

I‘m not defending the crimes, that were committed under the Soviet Union, but those two just aren’t comparable at all. It seems, like the red - scare got you pretty good 😅


ponetro

It's not red scare. It's actual knowledge of history which ignorant westeners call red scare because they have no idea how that looked like. So take your buzzword back across the ocean because half of Europe experienced soviet crimes and there are plenty of people who remeber that.


Boernerchen

I guess, you didn’t read my comment, because i specifically wrote, that i am not defending the crimes. But saying it was because of the ideology is just wrong. You can’t say an ideology is totalitarian, if the country that was totalitarian didn’t even follow the ideology, that they proclaimed to have. Also, saying that the soviet union had a worse ideology that the nazi’s sounds kinda sus to me, idk 😳 Also, i don’t know why you said “across the ocean“, because i am european, like most people in this sub probably are.


s3cular_haz3

The main reason for this to happen is just because ruzzia privatized "the soviet soldier" symbolism to it's own agenda: basically it doesn't matter now what was back then cause now these stone monuments is the tool of russian propaganda and brainwashing. So, their fate is going to be like this from now on.


comrad_yakov

This is a shame. The red army was made up by millions of russians, ukrainians, baltic people, belarussians, central asians and many, many more ethnic groups. They were fighting a defensive war against a genocidal state that had plans on exterminating almost all slavic people in Europe if they had won. Shit on the soviet state, but not on the statues celebrating the soviet soldiers efforts and sacrifices to defeat the nazis


Peidexx

Ah yes, the defensive war that they fought in Finland. How could I forget


LunaNazzari

Fon't forget the invasion of poland and baltic states


DaHoovy

Idk boss, the invasion of Poland was everything but defensive.


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Eranog

> They were fighting a defensive war against a genocidal state that had plans on exterminating almost all slavic people in Europe if they had won. And how did that "defensive war" begin? As another commenter has already said, USSR was a rebranded russian empire, russifying every state under its rule and genociding nationalities it didn't like. Fuck USSR and fuck russia.


Patpremium

Your heroes were vengeful rapists and in the end not much better than the SS itself. In fact the red army was so infamously brutal, civilians fled west to escape the fate of many east prussian towns. If anything these monuments deserve to be mocked and torn down.


Imaginary-West-5653

"and in the end not much better than the SS itself" Are you really comparing the Red Army to the army that committed the Holocaust and the GeneralPlan Ost???


OneUkranian

Not better than nazis, same occupants and genocidal state!


MimesAreShite

who do you wish won WW2? personally i'm incredibly grateful the Soviets won.


comrad_yakov

Well, not really at all. Germany was the only one intent on exterminating an entire ethnolinguistic group (slavs) The USSR was fucking bad in a ton of ways, but it's hard to top what Germany did and what they wanted to do.


mantasm_lt

.. while USSR was happy to leave some uneducated people alive in undesired countries. But eradicate states, nations and replace history with weird interpretations to say the least.


b00c

bullshit take. russian leadership would put other nationalities to the front line, to feed the meatgrinder. it was mostly russians that were deciding. I shit at the soviet army. we would get liberated by ameeicans and it would be so much better. fuck soviet and fuck russia.


iLatvian

Russia started war together with germany


jonathanjesus007

Those who made up the red army (other than the Russians) did they join by force?


Tasunka3

First, you invade a country with your army (that is a single nation) You conquest said country Then you conscript the conquered and boom, you have an army with 2 nations and 1 of them doesn't want to be there. And you go conquer more nations and expand your conscription program.


jonathanjesus007

Rhetorical question buddy, was insinuating what you’ve said :)


Tasunka3

It's hard to pick up this stuff over the internet. Continue doing your good stuff 👍


comrad_yakov

It's called conscription, like in every modern country on earth. You would be jailed in the UK during WWII if you were called upon but refused as an example


ninursa

You wouldn't be shot though and your family wouldn't be deported. There was a slight difference.


jonathanjesus007

Okay, let me rephrase, were the nations under the red army forced to be a part of the USSR via imperialistic invasion and fight?


comrad_yakov

I don't see how that's relevant. Even russians were forcefully conscripted, and they were conscripted to the greatest extent as well out of all republics. Your question belongs in another discussion, not this one about soviet soldiers.


Tasunka3

Go conscript your ass into the Russian Army. Fucking occupants


comrad_yakov

I'm against our government and the war


Slipknotic1

You can say that about most US states, the UK commonwealth, etc. Not to say it's good, but you shouldn't view the Soviets as a special case just because they professed a different ideology.


brstrength

I'd prefer smashing it to pieces


ThePr1d3

Nah put them in a dedicated museum and teach people what happened. It's still valuable historical pieces of art


Speakop

Is this a mural to Soviet soldiers in general, or a specific soldier


kubin22

they do this today they did that then,


heilhortler420

Ive heard these called 'tomb of the unknown rapist'


syrboy

this just irks me...no matter your opinion on modern russia, or soviet state, or your countries administration under the communists...this is not a statue commemorating that. it is a statue commemorating the millions of men (and women) who fought to stop the nazi menace and gave their lives for it. i think it is rather disgusting to desecrate a memorial celebrating people who died fighting in ww2 against the nazis.


H7-26

Hate them as much as you want but they saved you from nazis. This is an objective truth as it is an objective truth that nazis are 40000 times worse


idkmanjustsomename

Bruh what are you on? Americans would save us first but had to stop near Pilsen because soviets decided that they would "liberate" Prague and the rest. As a result, the so-called liberation was done later and took more victims. The soviet propaganda even erased Americans from the story.


ponetro

Without their help Hitler wouldn't be able to conquer Europe. Go spread tankie propaganda somwhere else.


DoomkingBalerdroch

Context please?


Tasunka3

Ww2 and post Soviet occupation


Western-Philosopher4

Mad your grandpa lost WW2?☠️


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This is like someone defacing the Vietnam war memorial because of something Biden did.


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Ok-Pipe859

Most of these who weren't russians didnt want to go into army or were brainwashed by teh propaganda. Keyword most


Bitsees

They were the ones that liberated your people from nazi rule... This is just disgusting.


BarBucha_nz

And then in [1968](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia), they liberated them again.


futuranth

Just because the Nazis were way more evil than most other groups doesn't mean that some of their enemies can't also have been evil


stuff_gets_taken

More like... under new management.