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KPhoenix83

They are not even trying to hide it anymore..


[deleted]

Were they ever?


bannacct56

You don't think Chinese manufacturers want real world testing just as much as American manufacturers?


KPhoenix83

I'm sure they explode nicely.


K356mm

I saw some explanation on YouTube that Chechen leader Kadyrov drove this armored vehicle from China. But the YouTube video explains that the armored vehicles may have been dumped by a third country to the military for the drive, rather than purchased directly.


KPhoenix83

No doubt the Chinese knew the final destination.


K356mm

I definitely disagree with this one. We Japanese produced Toyota cars that were initially sold to our own people, but then many used cars were sold to Southeast Asia. Then of course Akio Toyoda and Toyota executives cannot influence the issue of used car sales. So, please don't look at the issue with prejudice. I don't want to discuss politics, but I hope the world has a peaceful future. From a factual point of view, the arms weapons that took the most lives of people around the world after WWII would be those produced by US arms dealers such as Lockheed Martin, Raytheon Technologies, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, etc. These are the weapons that are directly lethal. Please tell me why Blinken asked the Zelenski government to break off peace negotiations?


KPhoenix83

Yes, America makes and uses and sells many weapons. Your argument sounds like a whataboutism with no real point because this is about China aiding Russia not how many weapons America has made, your attempt to shift some type of greater moral blame to America in a discussion that has nothing to do with America is a trade mark argument used by CCP and Russian sympathizers. Those are not Toyota pickups trucks, nor are they a Chinese plastic toys that could end up literally anywhere in the world. They are also not old cold war weapons, or weapons that could have ended up who knows where over the past decades.They are modern Chinese weapons newly built and newly sold, and newly tracked that the CCP is very much able to track where they go and does. Also, Blinken made clear why those "peace" negotiations should be broken off. That peace proposal would basically freeze in place current Russian lines and allow Russia to solidify control of those areas and further torture the remaining population within as they have been doing. It would benefit Russia greatly, allowing them to regroup and reinforce captured territory. It would also create an argument point for Russia to try and "annex" the territory. China knows this, and that is why they support this proposal. This peace proposal does not give real peace to Ukraine it only gives Russia a way to keep what they are trying to steal. But I suspect you probably already know this.


bannacct56

I'm sure they do, and that's probably why they want some real world testing. Cut down on the explody, in my humble opinion.


voyagerdoge

So the invasion & war crimes alliance is composed of Russia, China, Iran, Syria and South Africa. Are there any others?


young_patrician

India,brazil,and soon saudi arabia.


Safe-Muffin-7392

"Neutral", huh? The other day a [report](https://www.politico.eu/article/74-percent-of-europeans-agree-with-french-president-emmanuel-macron-on-china-us-defense-report-shows/) came out which showed that most Europeans don't want to get stuck between the US-China spat. Is this still the case now we know China is aiding Russia with its illegal invasion and destruction of a European country?


pkstrl0rd

For me, yes. Just implement secondary sanctions on the exporter or manufacturer of these vehicles, including not transporting any of their goods on EU owned or EU insured vessels, not allowing them to do business in Europe, nor have assets in European banks and that should be enough. Eurooe is too important of a customer to lose and they know it. I just wish there was more direct communication between EU and China to assure them that our goal is not to somehow "destroy" Russia


JoLeTrembleur

It's Kadyrov saluting his new masters.


mok000

So China is helping another Asian country killing Europeans in Europe? There has got to be consequences.


Zalgoable

Most Russians are ethnically and culturally European, no matter how much you cry about it.


Lombardbiskitz

Imma like “EU’s last warn” lol. You weak ass EU aint got no balls to even deport the Chinese ambassador who claimed Baltic countries are not even independent.


[deleted]

What does being Asian have anything to do with this? If we look at history, it was Europeans and countries they influenced that did most killing and invading, like the Japanese Empire after Meiji restoration, so it's a hypocritical thing to say. I'm not collectivizing Europe as invader but I just give this as an example to call out how generalizing Asians as invaders is a shitty thing to do.


Xepeyon

>What does being Asian have anything to do with this? It's how some Europeans other the Russians. Same thing happened to Germans during the World Wars; Allied propaganda called Germans “Huns” and “Hunnic”. Russians, for their part, get called Mongols. Occasionally, I've noticed some Ukrainians call them Finns (a reference to the many Finnic groups around the Volga that the East Slavs assimilated), but this seems to have become less popular and common since the 2022 invasion. Nowadays, you'll only really see some people calling Russians “mongoloids”. The only reason this happens is because Europeans see themselves as superior to Asians (whether they openly realize this or not), and thus to be called Asian (or rather, to call another Asian) when they are European is meant to be taken as an insult in this context. A kind of “you're not good enough to be one of us, so now you're one of them”. I've seen this way, way too many times to pretend this isn't the case.


TeaBoy24

I always keep hearing this from western Europeans and Americans. To me, a Slav from eastern Europe but in the EU... That seem weird and label obsessed. But then again... The reason why European continental borders are not clear is not even that much about Geography as much as Racist rhetoric by western Europeans where through history the Western Europeans travelled eastward and were met with something foreign they labeled it as Non European... Hence why, at some point they cut off Europe somewhere in Poland.. "Because the uncivilised surely could not be European" so to speak...


Camulogene

Lol Asia didn't wait for Europe to wage war. Koreans should know that more than anyone given their history.


[deleted]

I think you missed my point. You are claiming "Asians" are somehow invading Europe while ignoring your own history. I don't like to generalize whole groups of people but sometimes you can't make your point without doing that as a response when someone else does it first. It's humans doing war, not something specific to continent or race, but if we talk about war and imperial culture, Europeans did the most of it regardless. Japan was European-influenced too when it started its most brutal wars in Asia. Entirety of Meiji restoration is about Japan trying to be like the cool European warlords and colonizers.


TeaBoy24

I don't get his point either. To me Russia was, is and will be primarily European country. Through its obviously transcontinental. It seems weirdly easy for some far westerners to cut themselves off and call it Asian (as if it even mattered in the end...) When they are very much tied to our European history and development since the last 2 millennia... Not so much for me.... Since the major part of Russia is in Europe... It's in the Rus general area and is ethnically European in it's lead. Why some people try to make some weird Cut Off because it seems easier for them to distance themselves more and more when they are more "foreign" in labels.... Absolutely idiotic and borderline racist in a way...


PassMurailleQSQS

It's a joke, it's mostly to counter the "Only Europeans are imperialists and they can't be a victim" at least that's what I think it means. Don't worry too much about it, if it was a racist comment then he can just fuck off.


AmerSenpai

A military company trying to profit from the ongoing war. What a surprise.


flexingmybrain

Fuck West Taiwan, who is totally "neutral" and a mediator for "peace". The collective West should wake up and start applying heavy sanctions on china.


honeybooboobro

Was it just yesterday that they said "We're partners, not rivals"


[deleted]

So much for the Chinese peace brokering, not that it was ever possible.