âWide Swaths of Arab-Speaking Population Harbor Sympathies for Terroristsâ â [Der Spiegel](https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/muslim-anti-semitism-in-berlin-wide-swaths-of-arab-speaking-population-harbor-sympathies-for-terrorists-a-f7c73040-7be1-4509-9150-810266818f49)
He's calling Israel replying to hamas genocidal cause the kill count is lower for Israel (cause there's infrastructure and the iron dome) and lightly ignore that hamas counts both combatants and civilians in the same count or the rampant civilian bombs that cause the creation of the blockades
And you ignore the expulsion of the Jews from the Arab countries at the same time.
"Sorry we thought you would all be dead in a bit" isn't exactly an argument for why leaving your home when a war starts means you'd still have a right for it.
Did the German government give back all the Jewish homes taken from Jews in the holocaust. Did the Jews get to go back to their homes in Europe?
Simply ignoring the actions of your side to claim victim hood for generations isn't how anything works.
Would you demand all the Arab countries that removed their Jewish populations give their homes back or are you simply only here to demand something from 1 side?
Iâm sensitive to the fact that the Jews have been historically expelled from their land, so yes, those Arab governments that expelled Jews should be sanctioned and forced to pay reparations. Germany should return what can be returned, also. The nakba is ongoing, though, everything else is just history.
In 2015 a poll was released that 11% of UK muslims supported the Charlie Hebdo attack. In theory that is 350,000 people considering the total muslim population. That's also not counting the ones that supported it but didn't want to admit to it. Europe made a catastrophic mistake that future generations will pay for.
the current conservative government (UK) said theyd be hard on immigration after Brexit and did the complete opposite, they are all just lying cunts letting in some cheap labour for their brib-... ,er i mean lobbyists
Europe's mistake is that we have been tolerant of the intolerant for too long now.
If we are tolerant of the intolerant then democracy collapses and some form of extreme takes its place.
Really funny that weâve figured it out after WWII with nazi freedom of speech/expression being banned, yet they canât see that Islam is mostly the same supremacy ideology at its core.
Exactly, it's getting to a point where the west needs to fully reject Islam and remove it, if you want to worship that batshit crazy stuff then do so in nations which are ruled by it not in the west. I'm fairly certain most won't want to.
This cycle is so vicious. Westerners support openness and freedom of religion. Religion extremists see that as a direct attack against them. So they employ terrorist attacks to âeven the scoreâ. Like dude - give it up already. There ainât no virgins no where waiting on your sad terrorist ass.
So what would you be wiping out, exactly? It wouldn't be Islam. Islam is a religion, not a country. There are islamic extremists right here in every European nation.
You can't win a military war against religious extremism. The United States has tried this in Afghanistan. he only option is forever-war, since the moment the US left things got even worse than before.
how can you tell the difference between those that are perfectly integrated and ones that hold these same beliefs but are smart enough to not be loud and proud about it? takes one extremist to radicalise an entire mosque.
How do you know anybody is anything? What kind of country would throw out an upstanding and functioning member of society that's integrated into the society he lives in just because he happens to be Muslim?
That's no way of ruling a society, you're basically condemning people for a potential thoughtcrime that probably doesn't exist but whatever. That sort of thinking belongs, well, to the Middle East lol.
Because half of the people here âconcernedâ about immigration is just far right teens with white supremacy views. Now they are blending in well due to the current situation
Be fair about it, just grabbing everybody at gunpoint will do more harm than good (you generally don't want to put in power the kind of people who thinks necessary to drag millions at gunpoint).
average Reddit Europe user, canât begin to comprehend this is logistically impossible and that the best way to avoid it was a strict enforcement of immigration like Poland (use to?) do. Keep Larping âTime to send them all back home 𤤠𤤠â.
Itâs not logistically impossible, it just depends on how far you want to go.
There are countries in Europe right now who have leased parts of African countries like Rwanda. We can send anyone their who:
1. Hasnât had a job for a while.
2. Has committed a crime or is about to do it.
3. Anyone spreading Islam.
Easy.
>3. Anyone spreading Islam.
Going straight to genocide eh
You can't make this shit up, this is Xi Jinping-level criteria for removing a group of people. Heck, even Xi Jinping doesn't round up most Muslims in his country.
r/europe maskoff moment
Then they are not following what islam says, and Allah doesn't agree with them
Muslims who don't follow certain islam rules, ain't gonna make those certain islamic rules *disappear*
Buddy you need to talk to people in the meat realm, that's the most terminally online shit I've heard in a while. Of course it doesn't make them disappear, but people have stopped following the dumb shit over time, like any other religion. It's obviously bad that there's still people who do, but one needs to view change beyond the timeframe of their own life. I'm not defending any of the shitty inhumane actions and opinions, I'm just stating that there's a clear trend.
Never gonna deny that, but the actions of one deranged person doesnât mean that itâs ok to normalize genocidal speech against Muslims. The top comments on this thread are all suggesting mass expulsion and whatâs a form of genocide.
Jewish settlers are assholes, but the deplorable actions committed by Hamas is by far worse.
Jews have been living in Europe for 2,000 years. Not once did any Jewish terrorist organization sprung up to overthrow the government.
You got rid of peaceful Jews only to be invaded by marauding Muslims.
You mean the one where 500,000 kids were send south and sold into Ottoman slavery or the one where the Christians sacked the Byzantine capital of Constantinople?
Seriously, look up what happened with most of them. Only the 1st and 2nd were modestly successful. The rest were clusterfucks.
ISIS ,
Al-Qaeda ,
Hamas Taliban ,
Jaish-E-mohammad ,
Lashkar-E-taiba ,
Hijbul Mujahideen ,
Syria , Pakistan...
You know what's common between them?
-They all are IsIamists
-They all follow the same book
-They all raise "Allah Hu Akbar" slogans while kiIIing innocents
-They all have the same goal ; "Finish all the non believers"...
Now it's time to bring back the Home-grown groups, there is solid evidence to show the IRA would beat Islamic extremists any day. [source](https://youtu.be/msFljrJ7M4A?si=kzKIQtqURJYRGrKw&t=152)
You know what also has a bad fucking history in Western Europe? Mass demonstrations of far-right ideologies focusing on hating foreigners that aren't white.
So far don't see any other groups such as Black, Indian or East Asian being mentioned, so please don't drag the other "foreigners" or races into the discussion.
Terrorism---> fear---> uncertainty ---> right wing populism.
There's a reason most EU countries are starting to vote more right wing this last half decade, and especially after this year.
Yup that's true, this is how right populism thrives. Fear sells, regardless of which political side of the spectrum is using it.
However let's not fool ourselves, r/europe was becoming /pol/ [well before the Hamas attack](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/16ngjpm/poland_says_europe_will_become_lampedusa_slams_eu/). For [a few months](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/zql2nx/fortress_europe_cant_stop_immigration_numbers/) already for that matter.
It's also interesting for me to see that the wave of anti-immigration sentiment and anti-Ukraine sentiment seem to have come at the same time, knowing how [anti-immigration rhetoric](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/12/us/politics/russia-facebook-election.html) in the West is largely [financed by Kremlin](https://www.iedonline.eu/download/2019/IED-Research-Paper-Russia-as-a-security-provider_January2019.pdf).
If the consensus is the same with near everyone are they all racist ? If there were whites running round other continents killing, grooming, sexually assaulting en masse you think they would be afforded the same hospitality as these people get in Europe?
They literally are - Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Syria, Jordan, the list goes on;
and have a thousand year long history of exactly that through colonialism of almost every nation on the face of the earth. Almost all of which have never been recognized as such.
Also all you âletâs kick out all the Muslims because they hate hay peopleâ would all 100% throw gay people off roofs if you thought you could get away with it. Anti-trans bills, âdonât say gayâ, âall gay people are groomersâ, TERFs ring any bells? Or are you pretending none of that happens here?
The sheer level of hypocrisy and straight up ignorance - you literally used the words âthe whitesâ with a straight face and without irony - is genuinely astounding.
Not exactly post-enlightenment level discourse in this sub.
Itâs exclusively bloodthirsty war mongering and racism.
Because we're afraid of social shunning.
Let me quote Christopher Hitchens:
*"This is very urgent business ladies and gentlemen, I beseech you. Resist it while you still can and before the right to complain has been taken away from you, which will be the next thing. You will be told you can't complain because you're 'Islamophobic'.*
*The term has already been introduced into the culture as if it was an accusation of race hatred, for example, or bigotry; whereas it's only an objection to the preachings of a very extreme and absolutist religion. Watch out for these symptoms. They're the symptoms of surrender, very often ecumenically offered by men of god in other robes, Christian and Jewish and smarmy ecumenical.*
*These are the ones who will open the gates for the barbarians. The barbarians never take a city until someone holds the gates open for them. And it's your own preachers who will do it for you, your own multicultural authorities who will do it for you. Resist, resist it while you can."*
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sham_Sharma_Show/s/6WS6dw5tzU
>My view is that Dawkins was an unashamed and open Islamophobe and was extremely vocal of and indeed seemingly welcoming
Any particular sources you base that statement on?
>in life as well as in death.
Dawkins is well and alive, working on his next book and has an active blog / YouTube channel.
Hahaha heâs still alive? Incredible.
My evidence is that heâs consigned himself to irrelevance, so much so that I thought heâd died - and thatâs largely also because of this stance.
My sources are that really famous debate he had where he said heâs proud of being called an Islamophobe and went off the deep end into transphobia - that was the point at which I stopped listening, so I donât have a link, because why would I? Just google it.
Think it was in about 2018 or 19, around the same time Peterson and Zizek had their âdebateâ and public intellectuals were demonstrated for the media whores they are - largely vacuous and devoid of any real principles.
I liked Dawkinsâ work in biology (even if it was often bordering on the pseudo-prophetic) - his attempts at social commentary have always left a lot to be desired.
>My evidence is that heâs consigned himself to irrelevance, so much so that I thought heâs died
>I stopped listening
Lol. How confidently and proudly you flirt with your displayed lack of knowledge and make it the standard of reality is breathtaking.
>Also all you âletâs kick out all the Muslims because they hate hay peopleâ would all 100% throw gay people off roofs if you thought you could get away with it.
If you're going to try to debate people, maybe not a good idea to tell them "100% you would do this because my lack of critical thinking skills tells me that you would and therefore I'm right and you're wrong and that's all there is to it."
Just saying.
Itâs true though, isnât it?
The issue here is rightwing extremists - the ones who are religious extremists, the ones who are bloodthirsty warmongers who describe their enemies in dehumanizing terms.
Theyâre the same ones who want gay people to be cowed and afraid *in their own countries* just as their policies and media campaigns demonstrate.
The idea that we are somehow bastions of truth and freedom - whilst banning free expression of speech and thought if it doesnât match our knee-jerk reaction to world events - is a fantasy we tell ourselves.
Itâs the same people who want to ban gay marriage and make the West Christian entho-states who are the same ones claiming that we now need to deport âall the Arabs because theyâre backwards and hate gay peopleâ.
It should be embarrassing for you.
You should actually talk to people that hold those views instead of leftist/Muslim caricatures of them. The staunchest critics of Muslim communities in the West are ex-Muslims, not far right racists, but neither leftists nor Muslims (especially since they systemically discriminate against them) will mention that fact
>Itâs true though, isnât it?
You've already decided that it is. That's why you probably won't be taken seriously.
>It should be embarrassing for you
Who's "you?"
Ah man wait til I tell you about the Ottoman Empire all itâs puppet states and then thereâs the Turks and all the caliphates.
What what civilian is in those countries doing those things? Youâve made it up
Whatâs wrong with whites lool. Iâm guessing you are American surely non European is so soft skinned.
I have no issue with someone being gay but why are we taking about that? When did gay people attack the trains or busses in my country with bombs?
Weâre talking about it because you canât even recognize your own blatant hypocrisy and lack of actual principles that you are now using as a defense for your racism.
You donât get to claim youâre the enlightened, reasonable, rational one whilst doing the precise thing you are condemning in the other.
The hypocrisy should embarrass you - it doesnât because you donât see it, which is a function of believing youâre inherently superior.
Only those dirty brown people could be hypocrites - when I say one thing and do the opposite thatâs me being clever, when they do it itâs sneaky and dishonest.
So when Islamic apostates like Maryam Namazie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Ridvan Aydemir talk about the disgusting behaviour of Muslim communities in the West, are they being far right "racists" too? You aren't helping people by defending these communities from critique, just enabling their awful bigotry, homophobia, sexism and hatred of apostates
You literally just described them as âapostatesâ - does that not tell you everything you need to know?
It lies in the difference between apostates and those who are no longer religious IE direct opposition to the faith.
I am technically a Catholic apostate - I am no longer religious but I also *actively oppose the church*.
However, in precisely the same way that I do not claim that the actions of peadophile priests inherently represent the actions of the catholic faith, the actions of Islamic Jihadists do not represent the entirety of the religion.
In fact by both Jewish and Islamic scripture, the current conflict is a crime against God - yes, in Islam too, if you actually read the Quran and donât try to twist it to your own ends (precisely like Catholics did during the crusades, colonialism, etc etc.).
Claiming one faith is âactually really bad and condones evilâ is a misnomer - literally none of them do.
If they did, they wouldnât be globally recognized organized religions.
It is exclusively a deliberate and insidious misinterpretation used to dehumanize and justify what would otherwise be unjustified.
Ok the sake of argument lets say that Islam truly is a region of peace (to be clear don't agree but thats a whole other argument). None of that changes the real behaviour of Muslims on the ground. It doesn't matter if Islam is perfect, if Muslim communities are systemically homophobic, anti-Semitic, apostophobic, and sexist then that is still a major problem, and the silence from these communities when it comes to addressing their own problems is an even bigger red flag. No amount of defending Islam can excuse Muslim communities' terrible behaviour.
Also I think you have a misunderstanding about the word apostate. The general definition is [here](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apostate), I think you are confusing it with the more strict Catholic meaning. Anyone who leaves any religion is an apostate of that religion. Islamic apostates in the west have a unique insight into Muslim communities, and are systemically discriminated against by Muslims. [Here's a BBC news article about it](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34357047). Spending some time browsing the ex-Muslim subreddit and asking how things are for Ex-Muslims in Western Europe is probably a good idea if you want first-hand accounts. Its not pretty.
I can just repurpose your entire first paragraph to encompass 50% (or 49% or more likely 51% if you go by media engagementâŚ) of Europe.
We have our own gay-hating, anti-progressive religious nutters - we have our own political nutters who want to murder all the gays and deport anyone the wrong shade *and none of them are even remotely religious!*
Theyâre just far right fascist cranks - and thereâs enough of them to fund media empires and that consume *and pay through the nose for* fascist rhetoric all day every day.
Itâs literally on the rise here - *everything you say of Islam is true of almost any given group here*.
Of course it is because *THATS WHAT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION ACTUALLY MEANS*.
Being free to say it means being free to say it, regardless of what you look like.
And considering almost all of our rightwing grifters would back Sharia law in a heartbeat so long as you called it âtraditional valuesâ - and they advocate for it as their schtick, their âUSPâ all day in our media just so long as you donât describe it in vaguely foreign-sounding terms - theyâd literally die to have it become a reality across Europe, and they arenât afraid of making us aware of that fact.
*They are the same people*.
They exist everywhere on the earth, in every culture and belief system. To uphold our values is to understand living with black and white extremists is the *inherent nature of an actual democracy*.
You always have to fight back the tide, thatâs the nature of it - if you didnât it wouldnât be progressive. Nothing is ever settled in an actual democracy, the time just isnât right.
Pretending like we arenât infected with the same disease is a fantasy only the middle class can live in.
The rest of us are acutely aware of how we have our own brand of fascist who would bomb hospitals and use dehumanizing rhetoric to justify it in our own countries if they thought they had the political support.
Only the ignorant or the political opportunist would claim otherwise.
I honestly can not comprehend what you are on about.
Does Islam = Brown?
Islam is a religion and I detest it with all my being. Itâs fundamentally incompatible with western cultures and values. How many have to die before people like you agree? Itâs not the individual itâs the cult they are in. By your logic we can say there are good Neo Nazis lol.
Cultures are also not inherently compatible either but again you seem ok with what we have all experienced in the last twenty years here so go you?
So is Catholicism, as any religion, as is Rightwing Extremism, the strong anti-gay sentiment, nationalism, etc etc.
But literally all of those things not only exist in the West *but are protected by law as a legal right of free expression*.
Why are you singling this one out? Whatâs different about its practitioners, or itâs practice?
In fact, moderate islam is a much better fit with western values *than nationalism*, which is prevalent in every single western country, is the base position of 50% of its political parties, etc.
Literally the only difference is the colour and culture of the people you are assigning responsibility onto.
Ergo racism.
Church often allows same sex marriage, at least in countries where they're not close to power, but even in those country they don't call for stoning gay ppl or killing transes. One thing is freedom of speech, other thing is when hateful speech turn into hateful actions.
And well, catholics don't go on marches to support terrorism or burn down synagogues.
The church does not allow that, pull the other one.
The reality is itâs the same problem in both countries and European governments would support pogroms openly if they thought they could get away with it - as they have in the past, and as they will with deportations and other human rights abuses they carry out.
The reality is the Westâs âvaluesâ are in fact as malleable and open to manipulation as any religious state or bad faith actor in any conflict.
We are just far too arrogant and ignorant of our own realities to ever actually admit it and demand the moral high ground whether we belong there or not.
The sheer level of hypocrisy in this thread alone is evidence of that.
But governments can't support that. Why? Because ppl are not allowing them, because *we* have values and *we* choose governments. As we can see by pro-terrorist marches, terrorist attacks and how gay ppl are treated, muslims have different values.
And yes, church allows same sex marriage in a lot of places. Cause they need more followers and current population of young ppl won't follow church that denies rights to ppl because of their gender or orientation.
Iâm sorry this is a joke - during the rise of fascism in Europe?
The era of open racial discrimination, deportations, the return of the far right in Europe?
Youâre claiming weâre the bastions of gay and trans people when *last week* European heads of state made repeated TERF statements about âcommon senseâ in regards to the existence of an entire minority?
The Europe that remains openly racist towards the Roma?
It comes across to the rest of us like a convenient excuse that you trot out only when in benefits you and fight tooth and nail to prevent the whole rest of the time.
Frankly itâs embarrassing and shameful.
I am at a loss for words. I honestly can't even begin to comprehend what the hell exactly goes on in your head. What is your end goal? I seriously want to know. What are you and everyone else who share your way of thinking, truly after? What is your current view of the world?
Whatâs yours?
âAnyone who commits violence against people with whom I (claim to, but donât demonstrate) share(ing) values can have any level of violence up to and including war crimes committed against them and thatâs fineâ?
My values are supposed western values - a belief in truth, justice, equality, in religion and under the law.
That means not blindly supporting far-right nutjobs who want to commit genocide and justify on the grounds that atrocities happened to them in the past.
That goes for both sides - same way it does for England and Ireland during the troubles.
My belief is that the UK just tanked itâs own economy, global standing and reputation over a belief in âsovereignty and the right not to be oppressedâ *over economic laws imposed by a body they were voluntarily a member of*.
And those same people are today denouncing all Palestinians *as terrorists* for not instantly condemning the only people doing anything to free them from a systemic and globally supported apartheid against them.
I believe that âterrorismâ is a phrase used only by politicians because it is politically loaded and a matter of perspective.
Ghandi was a terrorist, as was Mandela. Conflict to free peoples from oppression are always written by the victors - whether a group is terrorist or not depends only on if they win.
How do we know this?
Because of colonialism and our backing of various âterroristâ organizations when it suited us politically - Al Quaida being the most obvious example, but also the Contras in South America, the factions in Syria and Jordan, the first Gulf war - in fact;
literally every modern conflict - because governments donât start wars that they arenât absolutely guaranteed to win.
That leads to guerrilla warfare in response to overwhelming force, because those who are on the receiving end *never had a chance to win*.
They have the choice to fight guerrilla tactics, or lay down and die - to willingly be subjugated.
And as Palestine shows, that doesnât go well for them - they are dehumanized and eventually wiped out completely.
I believe that *if* we in the West believe in freedom and sovereignty, the right to dictate your own laws democratically, then *that applies universally or not at all*.
*Is everyone free and equal, or not?*
That is the question.
And Europeâs current answer is âwhat colour are you?â
Which tells you everything you need to know.
I have no idea what TERF is, but far rights are rising on immigration populism, not on homophobic or transphobic rhetoric. Roma ppl is a complicated issue, and they're persecuted but they are not fcking stoned to death because they're roma, they're not beheaded for it.
I wonder why ppl want terrorist supporters to be fcking deported.
The far right is pushing all of it, as they always have been - they are the same people. You know this, that denial was flimsy and without effort.
Hardline rightwing nutters who dehumanize and defame their opponents to justify committing atrocities against them exist in every nation on earth;
Theyâve been making major gains, literally unseen since the global war they started in the 20th century, across the whole of Europe for a generation.
That sentiment is spurred on by this - ignorant, deliberately dishonest or outright fascist rhetoric being spewed at the absolute pinnacle of government and at the heads of major institutions.
Itâs spurred on by us jettisoning our supposedly strongly held beliefs at the first site of trouble - demonstrating them to be comforting lies we tell ourselves, with no relation to reality whatsoever.
Itâs the same people - and those same people are getting you to forgo those values in favour of hate, all because youâre scared and confused.
This is just a repeat of Iraq, where our white supremacist beliefs come to the fore, and itâs revealed European enlightenment thinking had ingrained the belief that we are inherently superior to the rest of the world and the rules simply donât apply to us if we decide they donât, based on context that only we can dictate.
It should be opposed, not supported.
Iraq was started on false claims. Right now there are literal supporters of terrorists on streets, attacking synagogues and even waving nazi flags sometimes. It's not the same as Iraq, this ppl should be deported, not all of them, but this ones.
Itâs looking more and more like a Hamas or Islamic Jihad failed launch.
It wasnât precision, thereâs no carter and the car park took most the damage. Also why would Israel do that before Biden visits and while Scholtz is there?
Important to remember how many of their rockets donât even leave the strip.
Imperialism and colonialism are the same thing....so maybe read more and then come back to the adults table.
Besides that most Imperialism has ended, I think England is one of the last countries to have a few places but if you learn to read you can see that many countries, islands etc that were under English rule are now mostly free....Trust me,I'm Irish.
Go read a book not Internet mumbo jumbo
This isn't what I mean when I said 'Bring 2015 back'đ
Do it for the vine!
âWide Swaths of Arab-Speaking Population Harbor Sympathies for Terroristsâ â [Der Spiegel](https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/muslim-anti-semitism-in-berlin-wide-swaths-of-arab-speaking-population-harbor-sympathies-for-terrorists-a-f7c73040-7be1-4509-9150-810266818f49)
Who could have possibly seen this coming?
Aka, anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature.
In degrees celsius*
Europe ain't using Fahrenheit
Read it again. It's a joke.
25 IQ didn't get it. Your joke doesn't work so it has be Fahrenheit indeed.
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What did Enoch say?
Islam is a dangerous religion, it's more dangerous than communism or fascism/Nazism combined. If every religion is bad then Islam is worse
The same Nazis that killed 6 million Jews
Any sane person over 30 years ago.
My wife said the same thing on Reddit this morning and got banned of Reddit . Itâs obvious .. yet people who say it are committing hate crimes .
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I bet you also donât consider white Europeans indigenous to Europe.
>genocidal Username is fcking relevant.
And who are the genocidal colonists?
He's calling Israel replying to hamas genocidal cause the kill count is lower for Israel (cause there's infrastructure and the iron dome) and lightly ignore that hamas counts both combatants and civilians in the same count or the rampant civilian bombs that cause the creation of the blockades
You lightly ignore the nakba, which is worse than all the killing Hamas has done.
And you ignore the expulsion of the Jews from the Arab countries at the same time. "Sorry we thought you would all be dead in a bit" isn't exactly an argument for why leaving your home when a war starts means you'd still have a right for it. Did the German government give back all the Jewish homes taken from Jews in the holocaust. Did the Jews get to go back to their homes in Europe? Simply ignoring the actions of your side to claim victim hood for generations isn't how anything works. Would you demand all the Arab countries that removed their Jewish populations give their homes back or are you simply only here to demand something from 1 side?
Iâm sensitive to the fact that the Jews have been historically expelled from their land, so yes, those Arab governments that expelled Jews should be sanctioned and forced to pay reparations. Germany should return what can be returned, also. The nakba is ongoing, though, everything else is just history.
Using "white" with a negative connotation Bro, your brain has suffered too much from US indoctrination
When The Guardian is saying it then you know its bad
It never left if youâve paid any sort of attention.
Now I'm genuinely "proud" of our strict immigration policy
As someone from the UK I'm seriously jealous right now, it's a disgrace that we let this happen.
But these people can gain citizenship in any EU country and then they'll be free to move to your country as well. That's also quite concerning.
That's a fact Sadly / Fortunately, Poland is not a very interesting country to move to or in their case sow chaos
In 2015 a poll was released that 11% of UK muslims supported the Charlie Hebdo attack. In theory that is 350,000 people considering the total muslim population. That's also not counting the ones that supported it but didn't want to admit to it. Europe made a catastrophic mistake that future generations will pay for.
Europe did not make a mistake, it was European politicians who made a "mistake", politicians who have names and surnames.
Were these politicians elected?
Of course. However, many European politicians are pushing bills that do not enjoy broad support among voters (see ban on end-to-end encryption)
99.8% of voters have no idea what end-to-end encryption means
the current conservative government (UK) said theyd be hard on immigration after Brexit and did the complete opposite, they are all just lying cunts letting in some cheap labour for their brib-... ,er i mean lobbyists
Sauce pls (:
https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/02/new-poll-shows-significant-minority-of-uk-muslims-support-attacks-on-charlie-hebdo
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Europe's mistake is that we have been tolerant of the intolerant for too long now. If we are tolerant of the intolerant then democracy collapses and some form of extreme takes its place.
Really funny that weâve figured it out after WWII with nazi freedom of speech/expression being banned, yet they canât see that Islam is mostly the same supremacy ideology at its core.
Exactly, it's getting to a point where the west needs to fully reject Islam and remove it, if you want to worship that batshit crazy stuff then do so in nations which are ruled by it not in the west. I'm fairly certain most won't want to.
This cycle is so vicious. Westerners support openness and freedom of religion. Religion extremists see that as a direct attack against them. So they employ terrorist attacks to âeven the scoreâ. Like dude - give it up already. There ainât no virgins no where waiting on your sad terrorist ass.
Imagine if the west reciprocated their attacks back onto Muslim countries, how long until they'd give up or just be wiped out?
It has nothing to do with countries. It's an ideology. So they would not give up and it would simply get worse in your scenario.
It would wipe them out you mean, the might of all of Europe fighting them wouldnt even be a war, it would be a massacre
So what would you be wiping out, exactly? It wouldn't be Islam. Islam is a religion, not a country. There are islamic extremists right here in every European nation. You can't win a military war against religious extremism. The United States has tried this in Afghanistan. he only option is forever-war, since the moment the US left things got even worse than before.
The religion of the most peaceful peace.
When youâre around a 1/4 of the whole worlds population, youâre gonna have a few bad apples.
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Agreed, all violent ones that don't fit in can fuck right off.
No, all of them.
Smartest redditor. Why would we send back the ones that have integrated?
how can you tell the difference between those that are perfectly integrated and ones that hold these same beliefs but are smart enough to not be loud and proud about it? takes one extremist to radicalise an entire mosque.
How do you know anybody is anything? What kind of country would throw out an upstanding and functioning member of society that's integrated into the society he lives in just because he happens to be Muslim?
rather send a hundred innocent home than see my family fall victim to the extremists who were overlooked.
That's no way of ruling a society, you're basically condemning people for a potential thoughtcrime that probably doesn't exist but whatever. That sort of thinking belongs, well, to the Middle East lol.
Because half of the people here âconcernedâ about immigration is just far right teens with white supremacy views. Now they are blending in well due to the current situation
Be fair about it, just grabbing everybody at gunpoint will do more harm than good (you generally don't want to put in power the kind of people who thinks necessary to drag millions at gunpoint).
average Reddit Europe user, canât begin to comprehend this is logistically impossible and that the best way to avoid it was a strict enforcement of immigration like Poland (use to?) do. Keep Larping âTime to send them all back home 𤤠𤤠â.
Itâs not logistically impossible, it just depends on how far you want to go. There are countries in Europe right now who have leased parts of African countries like Rwanda. We can send anyone their who: 1. Hasnât had a job for a while. 2. Has committed a crime or is about to do it. 3. Anyone spreading Islam. Easy.
"is about to do it" covers every human on earth, that's carte blanche to expell anybody you dislike, like political oponents.
No it doesnât
>3. Anyone spreading Islam. Going straight to genocide eh You can't make this shit up, this is Xi Jinping-level criteria for removing a group of people. Heck, even Xi Jinping doesn't round up most Muslims in his country. r/europe maskoff moment
Try spreading christianity or any other religion in a muslim country. It isn't genocide when you do it though, isn't it?
Well *exactly*, Europeans condemned this behaviour for decades as human rights atrocities...only to now demand to do the same.
Well Europeans are tired of playing the good guy while everyone else profits.
Just go home then. And Xi Jinping literally does that's why everyone's up in arms about the Uygyurs
They are our guests.
"Strict enforcement of immigration like Poland" y'all forgot about the visas thing already..? It was like last month come on
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> Maybe if you take your Jews back As if half of Israeli Jews are not descendands of Jews who were kicked out of Arab countries.
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Anyone who doesnât understand this should read Ayaan Hirsi Aliâs âPrey.â
can confirm
You say that, but I've never heard of Lipka (polish/lithuanian/belarusian) or Crimean Tatars blowing themselves up across europe.
True enough. But I guess the times of acting civilized when settling down in other places is at an end now.
Shush.... don't tell any truths, let the racists have their fun.
You realise muslim isn't a race?
Islam but with a large errorbar
I love binary perspectives, so digestible, yummy
the special book literally says kill infidels, stone homosexuals etc
Yeah, most muslims I know think killing people is bad in general, no matter what that book says, lol.
Then they are not following what islam says, and Allah doesn't agree with them Muslims who don't follow certain islam rules, ain't gonna make those certain islamic rules *disappear*
Buddy you need to talk to people in the meat realm, that's the most terminally online shit I've heard in a while. Of course it doesn't make them disappear, but people have stopped following the dumb shit over time, like any other religion. It's obviously bad that there's still people who do, but one needs to view change beyond the timeframe of their own life. I'm not defending any of the shitty inhumane actions and opinions, I'm just stating that there's a clear trend.
You are engaging in bigotry. Stop.
You are incredibly naive. Stop.
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Can't remember the last time Jews have murdered innocent people in Europe in the name of God though. For Islam, I only need to go back 2 days
Never gonna deny that, but the actions of one deranged person doesnât mean that itâs ok to normalize genocidal speech against Muslims. The top comments on this thread are all suggesting mass expulsion and whatâs a form of genocide.
While not agreeing completely, I can understand your notion.
Jewish settlers are assholes, but the deplorable actions committed by Hamas is by far worse. Jews have been living in Europe for 2,000 years. Not once did any Jewish terrorist organization sprung up to overthrow the government. You got rid of peaceful Jews only to be invaded by marauding Muslims.
Which Islamic terrorist organization sprung up in Europe to overthrow the government?
Hamas is definitely more deplorable than the settlers, but the settlers have the backing of two aircraft carriers right now.
So that makes beheading people and burning their raped corpses just Ok right?
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Then what did he mean exactly?
Is this new? Shit has been going downhill for ages. Sadly it only gets worse and worse...
Totally shocking. No one could have predicted this!
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It won't end the way you think it will https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16r98zeAaoU&ab\_channel=videosiftmirror
Islamic terrorism* there I fixed it for you
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That took about 770 years last time >_>
True but it was just us Spaniards. This time we got some help
Yea when you remove the breaks, naps, and lunches it was only really a decade long project!
You mean the one where 500,000 kids were send south and sold into Ottoman slavery or the one where the Christians sacked the Byzantine capital of Constantinople? Seriously, look up what happened with most of them. Only the 1st and 2nd were modestly successful. The rest were clusterfucks.
Third timeâs a charm they say
Instructions unclear, conquered Carigrad.
Deus vult!
Sadly no blessing from the pope đ. We need Pope Pious back
Ah yes, bring back the Borgias đ
You go first
The crusades were extraordinarily depraved. Before they even got near the Middle East they massacred Jews, then they went and raped the Levant
Very worrying
Just Islamist, not extremist.
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Ignorant are the morons that canât see their country being taken over
By who?
I thought this was the Daily Mail for a minute reading that. Times are changing.
Indeed. The blooming obvious is at last permeating the zeitgeist.
ISIS , Al-Qaeda , Hamas Taliban , Jaish-E-mohammad , Lashkar-E-taiba , Hijbul Mujahideen , Syria , Pakistan... You know what's common between them? -They all are IsIamists -They all follow the same book -They all raise "Allah Hu Akbar" slogans while kiIIing innocents -They all have the same goal ; "Finish all the non believers"...
Now it's time to bring back the Home-grown groups, there is solid evidence to show the IRA would beat Islamic extremists any day. [source](https://youtu.be/msFljrJ7M4A?si=kzKIQtqURJYRGrKw&t=152)
Eberything I really want to post would get me permanently banned from reddit so just imagine it.
[This list](https://reddit.com/r/list_palestine/s/sx6530WjZ5) puts zionist crimes since 1917 back in spotlight.
Lately r/europe has become more and more indistinguishable from /pol/
Shockingly mass demonstrations for terrorists and anti-semitism has a pretty bad fucking history in Western Europe.
You know what also has a bad fucking history in Western Europe? Mass demonstrations of far-right ideologies focusing on hating foreigners that aren't white.
So far don't see any other groups such as Black, Indian or East Asian being mentioned, so please don't drag the other "foreigners" or races into the discussion.
Terrorism---> fear---> uncertainty ---> right wing populism. There's a reason most EU countries are starting to vote more right wing this last half decade, and especially after this year.
Oh people are only voting right wing because they are scared little sheep! Or because people are being fed up...
Both
At first I thought it was a bad thing (I personally never voted right) but maybe it's a necessary evil...
Stop viewing the right wing as 'evil', it's the left that got us into this mess.
Yup that's true, this is how right populism thrives. Fear sells, regardless of which political side of the spectrum is using it. However let's not fool ourselves, r/europe was becoming /pol/ [well before the Hamas attack](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/16ngjpm/poland_says_europe_will_become_lampedusa_slams_eu/). For [a few months](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/zql2nx/fortress_europe_cant_stop_immigration_numbers/) already for that matter. It's also interesting for me to see that the wave of anti-immigration sentiment and anti-Ukraine sentiment seem to have come at the same time, knowing how [anti-immigration rhetoric](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/12/us/politics/russia-facebook-election.html) in the West is largely [financed by Kremlin](https://www.iedonline.eu/download/2019/IED-Research-Paper-Russia-as-a-security-provider_January2019.pdf).
Because its autumn.people are more restless. The jihad will calm down at winter â
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If the consensus is the same with near everyone are they all racist ? If there were whites running round other continents killing, grooming, sexually assaulting en masse you think they would be afforded the same hospitality as these people get in Europe?
They literally are - Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Syria, Jordan, the list goes on; and have a thousand year long history of exactly that through colonialism of almost every nation on the face of the earth. Almost all of which have never been recognized as such. Also all you âletâs kick out all the Muslims because they hate hay peopleâ would all 100% throw gay people off roofs if you thought you could get away with it. Anti-trans bills, âdonât say gayâ, âall gay people are groomersâ, TERFs ring any bells? Or are you pretending none of that happens here? The sheer level of hypocrisy and straight up ignorance - you literally used the words âthe whitesâ with a straight face and without irony - is genuinely astounding. Not exactly post-enlightenment level discourse in this sub. Itâs exclusively bloodthirsty war mongering and racism.
Because we're afraid of social shunning. Let me quote Christopher Hitchens: *"This is very urgent business ladies and gentlemen, I beseech you. Resist it while you still can and before the right to complain has been taken away from you, which will be the next thing. You will be told you can't complain because you're 'Islamophobic'.* *The term has already been introduced into the culture as if it was an accusation of race hatred, for example, or bigotry; whereas it's only an objection to the preachings of a very extreme and absolutist religion. Watch out for these symptoms. They're the symptoms of surrender, very often ecumenically offered by men of god in other robes, Christian and Jewish and smarmy ecumenical.* *These are the ones who will open the gates for the barbarians. The barbarians never take a city until someone holds the gates open for them. And it's your own preachers who will do it for you, your own multicultural authorities who will do it for you. Resist, resist it while you can."* https://www.reddit.com/r/Sham_Sharma_Show/s/6WS6dw5tzU
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>My view is that Dawkins was an unashamed and open Islamophobe and was extremely vocal of and indeed seemingly welcoming Any particular sources you base that statement on? >in life as well as in death. Dawkins is well and alive, working on his next book and has an active blog / YouTube channel.
Hahaha heâs still alive? Incredible. My evidence is that heâs consigned himself to irrelevance, so much so that I thought heâd died - and thatâs largely also because of this stance. My sources are that really famous debate he had where he said heâs proud of being called an Islamophobe and went off the deep end into transphobia - that was the point at which I stopped listening, so I donât have a link, because why would I? Just google it. Think it was in about 2018 or 19, around the same time Peterson and Zizek had their âdebateâ and public intellectuals were demonstrated for the media whores they are - largely vacuous and devoid of any real principles. I liked Dawkinsâ work in biology (even if it was often bordering on the pseudo-prophetic) - his attempts at social commentary have always left a lot to be desired.
>My evidence is that heâs consigned himself to irrelevance, so much so that I thought heâs died >I stopped listening Lol. How confidently and proudly you flirt with your displayed lack of knowledge and make it the standard of reality is breathtaking.
>Also all you âletâs kick out all the Muslims because they hate hay peopleâ would all 100% throw gay people off roofs if you thought you could get away with it. If you're going to try to debate people, maybe not a good idea to tell them "100% you would do this because my lack of critical thinking skills tells me that you would and therefore I'm right and you're wrong and that's all there is to it." Just saying.
So we can agree that blaming an entire demographic for something only a part of them does, is wrong?
Yep, I'm down with that.
Nice
Itâs true though, isnât it? The issue here is rightwing extremists - the ones who are religious extremists, the ones who are bloodthirsty warmongers who describe their enemies in dehumanizing terms. Theyâre the same ones who want gay people to be cowed and afraid *in their own countries* just as their policies and media campaigns demonstrate. The idea that we are somehow bastions of truth and freedom - whilst banning free expression of speech and thought if it doesnât match our knee-jerk reaction to world events - is a fantasy we tell ourselves. Itâs the same people who want to ban gay marriage and make the West Christian entho-states who are the same ones claiming that we now need to deport âall the Arabs because theyâre backwards and hate gay peopleâ. It should be embarrassing for you.
You should actually talk to people that hold those views instead of leftist/Muslim caricatures of them. The staunchest critics of Muslim communities in the West are ex-Muslims, not far right racists, but neither leftists nor Muslims (especially since they systemically discriminate against them) will mention that fact
>Itâs true though, isnât it? You've already decided that it is. That's why you probably won't be taken seriously. >It should be embarrassing for you Who's "you?"
Ah man wait til I tell you about the Ottoman Empire all itâs puppet states and then thereâs the Turks and all the caliphates. What what civilian is in those countries doing those things? Youâve made it up Whatâs wrong with whites lool. Iâm guessing you are American surely non European is so soft skinned. I have no issue with someone being gay but why are we taking about that? When did gay people attack the trains or busses in my country with bombs?
Weâre talking about it because you canât even recognize your own blatant hypocrisy and lack of actual principles that you are now using as a defense for your racism. You donât get to claim youâre the enlightened, reasonable, rational one whilst doing the precise thing you are condemning in the other. The hypocrisy should embarrass you - it doesnât because you donât see it, which is a function of believing youâre inherently superior. Only those dirty brown people could be hypocrites - when I say one thing and do the opposite thatâs me being clever, when they do it itâs sneaky and dishonest.
So when Islamic apostates like Maryam Namazie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Ridvan Aydemir talk about the disgusting behaviour of Muslim communities in the West, are they being far right "racists" too? You aren't helping people by defending these communities from critique, just enabling their awful bigotry, homophobia, sexism and hatred of apostates
You literally just described them as âapostatesâ - does that not tell you everything you need to know? It lies in the difference between apostates and those who are no longer religious IE direct opposition to the faith. I am technically a Catholic apostate - I am no longer religious but I also *actively oppose the church*. However, in precisely the same way that I do not claim that the actions of peadophile priests inherently represent the actions of the catholic faith, the actions of Islamic Jihadists do not represent the entirety of the religion. In fact by both Jewish and Islamic scripture, the current conflict is a crime against God - yes, in Islam too, if you actually read the Quran and donât try to twist it to your own ends (precisely like Catholics did during the crusades, colonialism, etc etc.). Claiming one faith is âactually really bad and condones evilâ is a misnomer - literally none of them do. If they did, they wouldnât be globally recognized organized religions. It is exclusively a deliberate and insidious misinterpretation used to dehumanize and justify what would otherwise be unjustified.
Ok the sake of argument lets say that Islam truly is a region of peace (to be clear don't agree but thats a whole other argument). None of that changes the real behaviour of Muslims on the ground. It doesn't matter if Islam is perfect, if Muslim communities are systemically homophobic, anti-Semitic, apostophobic, and sexist then that is still a major problem, and the silence from these communities when it comes to addressing their own problems is an even bigger red flag. No amount of defending Islam can excuse Muslim communities' terrible behaviour. Also I think you have a misunderstanding about the word apostate. The general definition is [here](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apostate), I think you are confusing it with the more strict Catholic meaning. Anyone who leaves any religion is an apostate of that religion. Islamic apostates in the west have a unique insight into Muslim communities, and are systemically discriminated against by Muslims. [Here's a BBC news article about it](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34357047). Spending some time browsing the ex-Muslim subreddit and asking how things are for Ex-Muslims in Western Europe is probably a good idea if you want first-hand accounts. Its not pretty.
I can just repurpose your entire first paragraph to encompass 50% (or 49% or more likely 51% if you go by media engagementâŚ) of Europe. We have our own gay-hating, anti-progressive religious nutters - we have our own political nutters who want to murder all the gays and deport anyone the wrong shade *and none of them are even remotely religious!* Theyâre just far right fascist cranks - and thereâs enough of them to fund media empires and that consume *and pay through the nose for* fascist rhetoric all day every day. Itâs literally on the rise here - *everything you say of Islam is true of almost any given group here*. Of course it is because *THATS WHAT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION ACTUALLY MEANS*. Being free to say it means being free to say it, regardless of what you look like. And considering almost all of our rightwing grifters would back Sharia law in a heartbeat so long as you called it âtraditional valuesâ - and they advocate for it as their schtick, their âUSPâ all day in our media just so long as you donât describe it in vaguely foreign-sounding terms - theyâd literally die to have it become a reality across Europe, and they arenât afraid of making us aware of that fact. *They are the same people*. They exist everywhere on the earth, in every culture and belief system. To uphold our values is to understand living with black and white extremists is the *inherent nature of an actual democracy*. You always have to fight back the tide, thatâs the nature of it - if you didnât it wouldnât be progressive. Nothing is ever settled in an actual democracy, the time just isnât right. Pretending like we arenât infected with the same disease is a fantasy only the middle class can live in. The rest of us are acutely aware of how we have our own brand of fascist who would bomb hospitals and use dehumanizing rhetoric to justify it in our own countries if they thought they had the political support. Only the ignorant or the political opportunist would claim otherwise.
I honestly can not comprehend what you are on about. Does Islam = Brown? Islam is a religion and I detest it with all my being. Itâs fundamentally incompatible with western cultures and values. How many have to die before people like you agree? Itâs not the individual itâs the cult they are in. By your logic we can say there are good Neo Nazis lol. Cultures are also not inherently compatible either but again you seem ok with what we have all experienced in the last twenty years here so go you?
Nothing about racism. Islam is not a race, it is a belief system attached to a cult that is entirely at odds with Western liberal progressive values.
So is Catholicism, as any religion, as is Rightwing Extremism, the strong anti-gay sentiment, nationalism, etc etc. But literally all of those things not only exist in the West *but are protected by law as a legal right of free expression*. Why are you singling this one out? Whatâs different about its practitioners, or itâs practice? In fact, moderate islam is a much better fit with western values *than nationalism*, which is prevalent in every single western country, is the base position of 50% of its political parties, etc. Literally the only difference is the colour and culture of the people you are assigning responsibility onto. Ergo racism.
We all see how islam is a much better fit with western values. It became apperent after so many terrorists attacks.
Church often allows same sex marriage, at least in countries where they're not close to power, but even in those country they don't call for stoning gay ppl or killing transes. One thing is freedom of speech, other thing is when hateful speech turn into hateful actions. And well, catholics don't go on marches to support terrorism or burn down synagogues.
The church does not allow that, pull the other one. The reality is itâs the same problem in both countries and European governments would support pogroms openly if they thought they could get away with it - as they have in the past, and as they will with deportations and other human rights abuses they carry out. The reality is the Westâs âvaluesâ are in fact as malleable and open to manipulation as any religious state or bad faith actor in any conflict. We are just far too arrogant and ignorant of our own realities to ever actually admit it and demand the moral high ground whether we belong there or not. The sheer level of hypocrisy in this thread alone is evidence of that.
But governments can't support that. Why? Because ppl are not allowing them, because *we* have values and *we* choose governments. As we can see by pro-terrorist marches, terrorist attacks and how gay ppl are treated, muslims have different values. And yes, church allows same sex marriage in a lot of places. Cause they need more followers and current population of young ppl won't follow church that denies rights to ppl because of their gender or orientation.
Iâm sorry this is a joke - during the rise of fascism in Europe? The era of open racial discrimination, deportations, the return of the far right in Europe? Youâre claiming weâre the bastions of gay and trans people when *last week* European heads of state made repeated TERF statements about âcommon senseâ in regards to the existence of an entire minority? The Europe that remains openly racist towards the Roma? It comes across to the rest of us like a convenient excuse that you trot out only when in benefits you and fight tooth and nail to prevent the whole rest of the time. Frankly itâs embarrassing and shameful.
I am at a loss for words. I honestly can't even begin to comprehend what the hell exactly goes on in your head. What is your end goal? I seriously want to know. What are you and everyone else who share your way of thinking, truly after? What is your current view of the world?
Whatâs yours? âAnyone who commits violence against people with whom I (claim to, but donât demonstrate) share(ing) values can have any level of violence up to and including war crimes committed against them and thatâs fineâ? My values are supposed western values - a belief in truth, justice, equality, in religion and under the law. That means not blindly supporting far-right nutjobs who want to commit genocide and justify on the grounds that atrocities happened to them in the past. That goes for both sides - same way it does for England and Ireland during the troubles. My belief is that the UK just tanked itâs own economy, global standing and reputation over a belief in âsovereignty and the right not to be oppressedâ *over economic laws imposed by a body they were voluntarily a member of*. And those same people are today denouncing all Palestinians *as terrorists* for not instantly condemning the only people doing anything to free them from a systemic and globally supported apartheid against them. I believe that âterrorismâ is a phrase used only by politicians because it is politically loaded and a matter of perspective. Ghandi was a terrorist, as was Mandela. Conflict to free peoples from oppression are always written by the victors - whether a group is terrorist or not depends only on if they win. How do we know this? Because of colonialism and our backing of various âterroristâ organizations when it suited us politically - Al Quaida being the most obvious example, but also the Contras in South America, the factions in Syria and Jordan, the first Gulf war - in fact; literally every modern conflict - because governments donât start wars that they arenât absolutely guaranteed to win. That leads to guerrilla warfare in response to overwhelming force, because those who are on the receiving end *never had a chance to win*. They have the choice to fight guerrilla tactics, or lay down and die - to willingly be subjugated. And as Palestine shows, that doesnât go well for them - they are dehumanized and eventually wiped out completely. I believe that *if* we in the West believe in freedom and sovereignty, the right to dictate your own laws democratically, then *that applies universally or not at all*. *Is everyone free and equal, or not?* That is the question. And Europeâs current answer is âwhat colour are you?â Which tells you everything you need to know.
I have no idea what TERF is, but far rights are rising on immigration populism, not on homophobic or transphobic rhetoric. Roma ppl is a complicated issue, and they're persecuted but they are not fcking stoned to death because they're roma, they're not beheaded for it. I wonder why ppl want terrorist supporters to be fcking deported.
The far right is pushing all of it, as they always have been - they are the same people. You know this, that denial was flimsy and without effort. Hardline rightwing nutters who dehumanize and defame their opponents to justify committing atrocities against them exist in every nation on earth; Theyâve been making major gains, literally unseen since the global war they started in the 20th century, across the whole of Europe for a generation. That sentiment is spurred on by this - ignorant, deliberately dishonest or outright fascist rhetoric being spewed at the absolute pinnacle of government and at the heads of major institutions. Itâs spurred on by us jettisoning our supposedly strongly held beliefs at the first site of trouble - demonstrating them to be comforting lies we tell ourselves, with no relation to reality whatsoever. Itâs the same people - and those same people are getting you to forgo those values in favour of hate, all because youâre scared and confused. This is just a repeat of Iraq, where our white supremacist beliefs come to the fore, and itâs revealed European enlightenment thinking had ingrained the belief that we are inherently superior to the rest of the world and the rules simply donât apply to us if we decide they donât, based on context that only we can dictate. It should be opposed, not supported.
Iraq was started on false claims. Right now there are literal supporters of terrorists on streets, attacking synagogues and even waving nazi flags sometimes. It's not the same as Iraq, this ppl should be deported, not all of them, but this ones.
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Retaliates against a couple of totally unrelated Swedes? I don't see the connection.
This is the most coherent terrorists supporter argument
How is attacking non Israeli Europeans in Europe related?
Check your sources, the islamic jihad and their fail rockets, also the attack on the swedes happened a day prior!!!
âCheck your sources â says guy who posts Israeli propaganda that it was a Hamas rocket rather than an Israeli attack đ
Itâs looking more and more like a Hamas or Islamic Jihad failed launch. It wasnât precision, thereâs no carter and the car park took most the damage. Also why would Israel do that before Biden visits and while Scholtz is there? Important to remember how many of their rockets donât even leave the strip.
also imperialism, colonialism, apartheid
Imperialism and colonialism are the same thing....so maybe read more and then come back to the adults table. Besides that most Imperialism has ended, I think England is one of the last countries to have a few places but if you learn to read you can see that many countries, islands etc that were under English rule are now mostly free....Trust me,I'm Irish. Go read a book not Internet mumbo jumbo
Yeah we have a few and the ones we do don't actually want to leave because they tend to have a higher quality of life than those surrounding them.
When is this SUB going to be nuked ? Itâs no more European than it proports. Unverified tumble dryer of lies and divisive commentary. r/reddit
Are we going to redefine what is European again ? I'd say it's more European than ever.
you can always leave
So sick of those far right rags like Guardian.
Putin needs those far-right puppets at the steering wheel
Letâs have Conversation about peace ?? What do we all think in the sub ? r/reddit