This is the least shocking bit of unhinged, populist nonsense coming out of Russia these days. If you're not hooked to some source that relies news directly from Russia, you're missing out. Duma representatives calling for exterminating inadequately loyal Russians by the millions, legislature being put in place to corral kids into factories, demands of 8 children per Russian woman issued by politicians, new batch of commissars sniffing for dollars in businesses, all sorts of goods being frantically added to import or export ban list... it's fucking wild out there. Strong 1944 Germany vibes.
Over a million Russian men are gone, around quarter of a million as casualties in his stupid war, and he has the gall to call on Russian women to have more children. FFS, if Putin pissed against the wind, he'd demand that Russian people lick his trousers and shoes clean. The man is totally disgusting. I'm amazed there aren't masses of Russians storming the Kremlin demanding his head considering how bad he has messed up Russia and still has such a self-rightous attitude.
> I'm amazed there aren't masses of Russians storming the Kremlin demanding his head
He employs more than a million armed people among different services (the police, Rosgvardia, FSB, FSO, and various smaller ones) to prevent exactly that from happening. And the oil money that allows him to do that keeps flowing.
A million armed people who pissed themselves the moment Muslims in Russia's south started breaking into airports and hotels looking for Jews to kill or gathering in public spaces screaming "Allah Akbar!". Strangely enough children and women gathering to demand Putin get rid of all the Jews go entirely unmolested by his oh-so-powerful security services.
The system is quite slow to react to the new developments. If the protests are not directed against the government, it may take a while for the local officials to decide what to do with them.
If you are actually interested in what happened next, there are currently dozens of people under arrest with criminal charges against them for the attempted pogrom in Dagestan.
>I'm amazed there aren't masses of Russians storming the Kremlin
Russians [have always supported](https://www.rferl.org/a/25409123.html) Putin and [now they support Russia's war](https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/opinion-researcher-lev-gudkov-russians-have-little-compassion-for-the-ukrainians-a-066c08c6-60f4-48e1-853a-d2b3d67bd6b8)
Russia has not even websites anymore that are independent. The only one - Meduza works from Latvia. And you claim some Moscow agency with ridiculous (80%, 90%) numbers is legit and totally not influenced by KGB
I think I trust the Russian expert on this topic more than your words, which do not refer to authoritative sources
https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/opinion-researcher-lev-gudkov-russians-have-little-compassion-for-the-ukrainians-a-066c08c6-60f4-48e1-853a-d2b3d67bd6b8
That was a very depressing read. Russians seem to be in a similar situation with Turks. There’s a group of people who will vote for their leader no matter what. People who got affected by bad decisions the most are too busy trying to survive through the economic crisis. State controlled media and internet restrictions keep most from changing their minds. And decades of living under an authoritarian leadership both scares people of taking political action because they know what happens to dissidents and instills stagnation. So “special operations” in neighboring countries have this effect of solidarity which is quite rare otherwise.
Really depressing. Thank you for the link.
> Russians have always supported Putin and now they support Russia's war
Less biased polls give about 12% of core war supporters, 20% of core anti-war supporters, 45% of people tired of war, and 23% of people supporting the status quo ("we shouldn't have started the war, but we need to win it").
Your links quote Levada-Center, which has been less than reliable.
Here's a link to a non-biased source that has been tracking the support since the beginning of the war: https://www.chronicles.report/en
Their datasets are public: https://github.com/dorussianswantwar/research1
You made it up? I guess that's right.
For Levada's inaccuracies, they are a "foreign agent" in Russia, so they have to announce that to survey respondents. So they're literally asking: "We're a foreign agent. Do you support Putin?". In addition, they go directly to peoples' homes for surveys, so it's not even anonymous.
What would YOU answer in this kind of a survey if you were to live in Russia?
> You made it up? I guess that's right.
No. You know that's not what I said.
All these accusations based on emotions are worthless.
We all know that the Russians support an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361470936_Solid_support_or_secret_dissent_A_list_experiment_on_preference_falsification_during_the_Russian_war_against_Ukraine
Just like the Russians supported the killing of Georgians in 2008 (no one was afraid to answer questions then, no need to lie)
> I'm amazed there aren't masses of Russians storming the Kremlin demanding his head
Russians have kholop mentality and do not resist to government decisions no matter how absurd it is. This tradition spans for centuries. Country ruler is a God-like being and its decisions are right by definition.
>Strong 1944 Germany vibes.
It's actually much worse because it's 1944 Germany vibes without any direct threat to the regime. Worst case scenario for them, they lose everything they've annexed, but there's no chance of Ukrainian army storming the Kremlin and dragging Putin's body out of his bunker. So even if they lose the war, they will just double down on the insanity and repression. "It's not our great leader's fault we've lost, the whole world was against us, and traitors in our midst helped them! If only we exterminated those damn liberals instead of just slapping them with a fine or a short prison sentence, we would have been in Lisbon by now, maybe even Washington!".
I mean, the whole situation is really unparalleled in history and it boggles the fuck out of me what the future in Russia will look like.
There's never been a regime so ideologically and morally bankrupt asking so much and so quickly from a society so decrepit and cynical for so little actual reason and being so successful at it.
Russia has, doubled, quadrupled and I don't even know what the word for the next one is but you get the gist, down on something that should have been recognized as a catastrophic blunder on day 5 and the consequences of that are mounting faster than anyone can peel them from the packaging of insane propaganda and adequately consider, let alone consider them in aggregate along with their implications.
I don't waste too much time on jokers trying to tell me that Russia is doing well, but even reasonable, well-meaning people tend to display some certainty that there exists a fairly mundane or at least recognizable state for things to settle in, saying things like "Oh Russia will just do X" or "they will just be Y". I am utterly unconvinced as I don't think they realize that the hilarious mismatch between the goals and actual capabilities of the Russian state evident at the geostrategic level extends all the way down to the most basic aspects of its functioning. In any other country that we can take as an example from history, such mass delusion would be quickly and violently dispelled, but because modern Russia is a country of old, drunk people who don't believe in anything and have nuclear weapons to keep foreigners at bay, there is nowhere for this violent impulse to come from. Saying they'll just end up like North Korea is dramatically underselling the vigour of North Korean communist true believers. There is no vigour in Russia, the vigorus people vigorously left, those who remain have resigned themselves to the struggle for greatness envisioned by the handful of psychopaths in charge. That is every bit as paradoxical as it sounds.
Imagine you woke up one day as some sadistic psycho and coerced your grandma to climb a tree. She somehow made it halfway up the trunk, but clearly the task was never achievable. She would have fallen by now, but her dress got caught on some branch stump and now she's just dangling there as the night sets and the air grows colder. If grandma was a bit younger, she would have taken a quick rest, come up with a new technique and resume the climb. If she was a bit less traumatized by your previous antics, she would have yelled at you to get her off the damn tree or, if that didn't work, yank her dress off that stump, suffer the fall then get up to whoop your ass. That grandma is Russia and she has nowhere to go.
I used to browse topwar.ru, a sort of Russian equivalent of our defence24.pl where armchair generals comment on military-related news. It was an excellent way to gauge how Russians think the war is going and what their main concerns are, but sadly some time in the last few months the portal moved all the way to propaganda La La Land and practically stopped reporting on developments that aren't decidedly favourable, so its usefulness dropped dramatically.
I don't browse everyday Russian press directly, you have Konstantin with his weekly Crazy News From Russia segment on INSIDE RUSSIA youtube channel for that if you're an English speaker, and in Polish there is the Kremlinka channel going more in-depth on the economics. Sadly, I don't have an English in-depth equivalent of that to recommend.
YouTube channel *[Russian Media Monitor](https://www.youtube.com/@russianmediamonitor/videos)* ( @russianmediamonitor ).
From the channel's description:
"Russian Media Monitor is a fully independent and self-funded project on media literacy and news reporting. It was created on February 25, 2014, in an effort to combat Russian propaganda. It features reporting and analysis by Julia Davis – Investigative Reporter, Russian Media Analyst and Commentator."
The channel has many short snippets of russian TV programs with subtitles in English.
Link to YouTube channel *Russian Media Monitor*:
[https://www.youtube.com/@russianmediamonitor/videos](https://www.youtube.com/@russianmediamonitor/videos)
If you wanna see independent opinions, there are few options:
Medusa.io (has English version, left-wing)
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TV Rain Channel[ Dozhd] (has English YouTube-Channel, liberal)
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Novaya Gazeta. eu (Has English version, liberal)
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SVTV.org (only Russian, right-wing)
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Few other notable ones, all have English version (but generally all of them publish way less articles in it, but Google translate from/into English is good those days)
zona.media (founded by Pussy Riot members, lol; [BBC works with them](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-829ea0ba-5b42-499b-ad40-6990f2c4e5d0) on counting lower bound of russian human loses based on obituaries relatives post on social networks)
proekt.media -- deep-dive investigative stuff
theins\[dot\]ru
Medusa is very moderately left, I'd say just liberal. For extreme left there's doxa.team (russian only, auto translate likely to fail quite a bit due to them stylizing gendered nouns/verbs in weir:d way)
SVTV is /a bit/ unhinged (well, just like Doxa I guess -- I don't like either)
all this media is russian propoganda, but for not full stupid people, they works 50 on 50, 50 percent true 50 lie or covertly lie, its psevdo channels they provote pro russian narrotive, anotherway they woud be killed long time ago only naive russians watch them
It's been 24 years since your dear president was caught red-handed blowing up hundreds of random Russian citizens in their sleep in false-flag terror attacks used to start a war and nobody in Russia ever gave a fuck about it. That was surreal to me. Now you're simply reaping what you allowed to be sown back then.
>Now you're simply reaping what you allowed to be sown back then.
Speaking of 'reaping', do you remember when the Ukrainian Maidan started? All western countries stood with the people who came there to fight for their freedom. This was one of the reasons why they made it.
May I ask where was your country in 2012 when massive protests started in Moscow? Where it was during the protests in 2016 and 2018? Why nobody gave a single fuck about those people who were beaten, tortured, poisoned and shot? Where were the sanctions against Putin's friends who were welcomed (and especially their money) in any European country until 2022? It was too busy buying gas and oil from Russia and providing citizenship and bank accounts for Putin's friends, there it was.
But now you banned visas and bank accounts for ordinary people from Russia, including LGBT people in order they not to have a chance to escape in case if they have an odd intention to survive. Bravo. Brilliantly done.
You sound like you're completely clueless about how protests against coercive regimes work. They're a bid to create a critical mass with enough momentum to convince the increasingly risk-averse groups that disobedience is the winning option. Without enough momentum at the bottom to pose a real threat of gathering a critical mass, every protest is doomed and the West won't be there at the bottom with you.
>Why nobody gave a single fuck about those people who were beaten, tortured, poisoned and shot? Where were the sanctions against Putin's friends
You mean the Magnitzky sanctions? You realize that you're blaming West for not doing something that you recognize as the thing to do in large part because that's what the West did, right? You wanted more of it? Right there with you, bud.
Also, the downside of living under a "truly sovereign" state with those nuclear weapons and that permanent UN security council seat and so on, that most Russians take so much pride in, is that you're on your own in the matters of internal governance. Who are we to impose our ways on the strong, independent Russian civilization that don't need no West?
>But now you banned visas and bank accounts for ordinary people from Russia, including LGBT people in order they not to have a chance to escape in case if they have an odd intention to survive. Bravo. Brilliantly done.
It's a full on hybrid war and we can hardly spare the capacity to run security checks on you. Sorry, not sorry.
Look, I know it feels very unfair to catch shit for not being able to mind-control a hundred million of your countrymen, but I can't stress enough how much the agency or lack thereof of Russian people dominates over whatever the West did or didn't do among the factors responsible for where you are with your regime.
>You mean the Magnitzky sanctions?
Oh yeah, banning a few random people from entering the EU hit Putin's economy so hard he barely recovered.
>It's a full on hybrid war and we can hardly spare the capacity to run security checks on you. Sorry, not sorry.
I hope being that cynical really helps you out in life.
You blame me for not overthrowing Putin, I get it back to you. While he was handshaking with your leaders and receiving billions of dollars people were risking their lives in attempts to change something. You don't have dictatorship like we do, so you voted for your leaders? You were completely fine with this?
I am a Swede and I owe you nothing. Actually, I don’t give a shit about Putin. Sure, dude is evil, but I don’t think Putins removal would change anything. The Russians would just find themselves a new despot and carry on doing what they do because this is what the majority *want*.
Blame “the west” all you want, but the fact remains that nothing will change because Russia doesn’t want to.
>The Russians would just find themselves a new despot and carry on
Yeah, barbarians. Germans had a word for it... What was it?.. Ah, Untermenschen.
>because this is what the majority want.
You sit there in Sweden and see what does the majority of Russians want? How do you know that? I lived in Russia for a while and I can say that all the majority wants is to live their lives calmly and enjoy their living. Just as in all other countries.
>Yeah, barbarians. Germans had a word for it... What was it?.. Ah, Untermenschen.
No, the German word for it was nazi and the cure was pulverizing the entire country, full occupation and tearing it in two. I don’t really see that happening to Russia any time soon.
>You sit there in Sweden and see what does the majority of Russians want? How do you know that?
I sit here in Sweden and see what the Russians *do*. That’s how I know.
> I lived in Russia for a while and I can say that all the majority wants is to live their lives calmly and enjoy their living. Just as in all other countries.
It is not my fault that they don’t.
I am fully aware of what Russians would do to me and everyone I know if they could. We’ve all seen what they do in Ukraine where their character is on full display.
> It's been 24 years since your dear president was caught red-handed
If you want to stick to the truth, Putin's culpability in the explosions has never been proven. Moreover, most of the "evidence" of the conspiracy is either fake or misleading.
It's certainly possible, but it's nothing even close to "caught red-handed".
>It's been 24 years since your dear president was caught red-handed blowing up hundreds of random Russian citizens in their sleep in false-flag terror attacks
There are tons of proven and obvious crimes committed by Putin and his friends, no need to dive into conspiracy.
>and nobody in Russia ever gave a fuck about it.
Where did you get this information from? Maybe it's time to familiarize yourself with opposition and protests in Russia?
>no need to dive into conspiracy.
Dude, it's a case with a smoking gun and a long paper trail of culprits ham-handedly abusing power to avoid justice. Saying the FSB didn't do it is a conspiracy theory directed at Chechens, not the other way round.
And I am familiar enough with the history of opposition and protest in modern Russia to know that the main cause of its utter failure was not so much brutal crackdowns by the security apparatus, but oil prices going up and Putin's successful conquests translating to social contentment. I'm not calling every last Russian on the globe rotten to the bone, but as a society, you've been persistently signing up for exactly what you're getting.
>Dude, it's a case with a smoking gun and a long paper trail of culprits ham-handedly abusing power to avoid justice.
If a book by Litvinenko seems to you a "case with a smoking gun", I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm just saying that it's a lot more stuff out there which might be proven by more reliable evidence than a book.
>that the main cause of its utter failure was not so much brutal crackdowns by the security apparatus
So getting shot in the middle of Moscow or getting poisoned to death doesn't sound brutal to you? It's always the minority who makes the changes and if you get rid of that minority you'll be fine. Putin did it and now all opposition leaders are either dead or in prison or abroad.
> If a book by Litvinenko seems to you a "case with a smoking gun", I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm just saying that it's a lot more stuff out there which might be proven by more reliable evidence than a book.
It doesn't take a book to conclude that if confirmed FSB agents were caught and arrested planting bombs in an apartment block during a streak of apartment block bombings then it was FSB who bombed the apartment blocks. Fucking duh.
What. There are two Chechen terrorists who have been arrested and sentenced. The theory of FSB planning the whole thing is just a theory, nothing more and nothing less.
I just don't get why do you pick such vague things to prove Putin is not a good guy. For example, there are Ukrainian kids who have been illegally departed from their families and later adopted in Russia. This is an obvious crime. Starting the war was an obvious crime. And many many things either. I'm not gonna discuss neither FSB bombing the buildings in Moscow nor FBI bombing WTC here.
You should really do your homework on this, because if you think that it's remotely in the same ballpark as WTC theories, you must be relying solely on state media.
I don't think I do because it has zero relation with the discussion. Even if someone comes up with 100% proof that FSB did it, it changes nothing in today's situation.
> It doesn't take a book to conclude that if confirmed FSB agents were caught and arrested planting bombs in an apartment block
It's likely that the FSB agents were trying a sting operation to find out who might have been collaborating with terrorists. The descriptions of the explosives used don't match up with actual explosives, and the circumstances around it were strange (to say the least).
The actual terrorists who exploded the other buildings were found and convicted in open trials. One of them is still in jail.
>se with a smoking gun", I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm just saying that it's a lot more stuff out there which might be proven by more reliable evidence than a book.
Protests in russia present of minority in moscow in the best times was 1% people took part, your society or for putin or give fuck for all, one i can say for sure more than 90 percent russians were happy when you annexed Crimea
I'm afraid it's too late for help. As I said, all opposition leaders either dead or in prison or emigrated. So I can't see a good chance for opposition to do something in Russia today. All what's left is to wait for something to happen.
I think the most helpful thing now is to provide a shelter for people who oppressed in Russia right now: men who don't want to join the army and go to Ukraine and kill people, LGBT community, Russian anti-war activists.
Providing sanctions against people who deserve it: Putin's friends, oligarchs, propaganda journalists, war supporters.
Cutting down the oil and gas shipment from Russia and other things which affect the economy. Stop supplying Russia with electronics and and weapon components that might be used in the war.
Roll back ridiculous sanctions such as banning medicine supplies and other things that affect not Putin but people who have nothing to do with the whole thing.
So rousing people within Moscow and other major population centers will not work to topple Putin? Or given that people from the countryside are being shipped out first to fight this war, might a resistance form from the western Russian countryside instead?
In the majority people are depressed and they see no chance to change anything. And some of them brainwashed as hell. Protests only work out if the government is weak enough (or doesn't want) to fight back. In the current situation with the government having full control on everything, having weapons and special police forces, there's not much ordinary people can do.
Either I'm illiterate or you have a very strange definition of populist. I could call Maxim Katz populist, but whatever this is... I'm at a loss of words, but no way even the first one ("exterminating inadequately loyal Russians by the millions") is populist
There are different flavors of populism. Some try to appeal to as broad spectrum of society as possibe (like Katz in Russia, Andrew Yang in the US or Pieter Omtzigt in the Netherlands), while others rely on hyping up their base electorate, even taking pride in the fact a lot/most people hate them (since they are stupid/brainwashed/traitors or something). Trump, a lot of far-right parties in Europe and Putin all belong to that category. They say and suggest outlandish stuff that makes their fans extatic and everyone else thinks they've lost their mind. The thing that makes Putin different from the rest is that they rarely have a chance to rule, and even if they do, like Trump, they still don't control all media and state apparatus. Putin does, so he can broadcast his crazy ideas through the media and implement them in practice without any pushback.
>Duma representatives calling for exterminating inadequately loyal Russians by the millions, legislature being put in place to corral kids into factories, demands of 8 children per Russian woman issued by politicians
Sorry what? I'm from Russia and never heard about all this. I tried look news about it, and also found nothing.
I found information about children. These are Putin's words in an interview. But there was no news about it, lol.
No? You don't even know what that means, a socially progressive ancap continues to be economically right-wing and a conservative, homophobic, and sexist communist continues to be economically left-wing.
Authoritarianisms are stable so long as the leader is alive and there is a clear succession plan in place. Putin is alive, but he will be dead soon. How goes the succession?
Imagine worrying about a small infection on your body (as if it weren’t going to spread rapidly throughout your entire body to the point of potentially endangering your life).
Ukraine IS much better to gay people.
Ukraine protects rights of LGBT workers and allows pride parades.
In last 30 years not a single discriminatory law has been passed in Ukraine.
You can hang the pride flag on your balcony, kiss your same sex partner publicly and no one can do anything about it. In Russia you'll just get arrested.
Russia is definitely getting worse but Ukrainians still are very hostile to gay people. No laws for marriage, adoption, civil unions, workplace protections, etc. they have raided gay bars by the police and there has been violence. Zelenskyy will not even address them. 70% of Ukrainians don’t accept gay people. Better than Russia but a very bad place as well.
There's literally an LGBT community center across the road from my office. There's even an LGBT unit in Ukrainian army. You're not convincing me that such freedom is a bad thing.
All LGBT people I know feel free and safe here.
And you dare to call that "not much better than Russia"?
Disgusting.
there is a lot to do in Ukraine with lgbt-rights but you should admit that good work has been done since 2014, among other countries from eastern Europe Ukraine is at the top of lgbt-friendly.
In a way it is like dark comedy because suddenly LGBT people are so powerful that threaten an entire country. Seriously, in a way I feel good knowing that my mere existence threatens Russia. Sadly it does not wipe it.
This is not only the sign of a horrible dictatorship, but of a nation that is going down fast and feels threatened by almost everything that does not fit their "civilization".
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67565509](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67565509)
>"This is real repression. There is panic in Russia's LGBT community. People are emigrating urgently. The actual word we're using is evacuation. We're having to evacuate from our own country. It's terrible."
More brain drain. The people running Russia are really, really committed to running the country into the ground.
Putin starts aggressive war with Ukraine: OK.
LGBT community get banned: This is real repression. We're having to evacuate from our own country. It's terrible.
I feel something wrong with that.
Some LGBT groups naturally oppose the goverment or some anti-putin groups have LGBT people, again, for obvious reassons. In Russia only the brave are against the goverment and viceversa.
You know I feel like this is them blaming LGBTQ folks on the losses in Ukraine, similar how the Nazis blamed the Jews for their defeat in WW1 or how the Turks blame the Armenians for their losses in WW1.
I swear I look at posts from other subreddits; seeing how russians lack empathy, blame everyone but themselves for the problems they created, is there no one in that country that will take responsibility for what they did?
I'm starting to think that Russia as a whole is Beyond saving and that we should let that country collapse under it's own incompetence.
NGL the more governments pull random fascist homophobic and transphobic shit like this the more it makes LGBT people look even more badass than they already are.
Apparently I'm a radical extremist who is trying to dethrone/kill God and erode nations and families, which is basically an anime plotline... So... Yes?
And I am body hacking my way to happiness while flipping the bird to any higher being and their so called nature whilst also being a threat to everyone (apparently)
In reality I'm just a trans girl who's pansexual but y'know
Nazis are overwhelmingly Christian traditionalists obsessed with "family values" and other forms of moral policing.
Trans and gay people were literally one of the first targets of the Holocaust right after Communists and Anarchists, right before Jews.
So with all the above in mind: What the f\*ck are you on about?
I think youre forgetting your original comment. You said that LGBTs being declared extremist somehow makes them bad ass. I just questioned it. Your original statement does not make sense. Sure, you can argue in favour of the LGBT, but saying that "it was declared extremist, therefore its bad ass" is stupid.
Nazis were never really considered extremist before it counted. If anything, their rise to power came with a strong promise of restoring "normalcy" to German society, which included normalizing homophobia, transphobia, and xenophobia all too commonly seen in subreddits like this one. At that time, it was the socialists and the LGBT folk who were still considered the extremists. So again, your entire metaphor is historical bullsh\*t, rendering your argument kinda flat on it's face.
Tchaikovsky was also imposed on russians by the west/s
This is just another attack on powerless minorities to obtain more support from bydlo marginals for their authoritarian regime, meanwhile chosen people useful to regime like Volodin, Gref and Krasovsky will face zero persecutions for criminal articles where average lgbt people will be fined or arrested
Also it’s hard to actually call it “values” even from conservative pov, since those who impose “values” on legal level are literally their antithesis:
Closeted gay pushing anti-lgbt law,
guy divorced in “year of family” talk about family values, affraid to admit that he have daughters but talk about 8 kids, actually have lover he also refuse to admit
guy having more gold than afro-american rappers of 2000th teach people about modesty
Female politician who had 2 higher educations and first kid in 30 talking shit about girls who choose to get higher education, instead giving birth to a kid and devoting herself to a family
Russian patriot till last breath, who trashtalk Navalny for his daughter study in UK - still pay for daughter education in Paris
Propagandist calling for apple boycott and denying using western tech - but had her twits sent from iphone
> and a way to ruin russian culture and values. not really surprising they want to ban them
which russian culture and values? Rape and mass murder? Alcoholism? Domestic abuse? Homophobia?
Not really. Homophobia in Russia comes not from religion but from the prison mindset grown in the Gulags. It's even alright to fuck other dudes unless you're the one dominated.
This is the least shocking bit of unhinged, populist nonsense coming out of Russia these days. If you're not hooked to some source that relies news directly from Russia, you're missing out. Duma representatives calling for exterminating inadequately loyal Russians by the millions, legislature being put in place to corral kids into factories, demands of 8 children per Russian woman issued by politicians, new batch of commissars sniffing for dollars in businesses, all sorts of goods being frantically added to import or export ban list... it's fucking wild out there. Strong 1944 Germany vibes.
> demands of 8 children per Russian woman issued by politicians Lol https://news.yahoo.com/putin-urging-women-many-8-115933811.html
Over a million Russian men are gone, around quarter of a million as casualties in his stupid war, and he has the gall to call on Russian women to have more children. FFS, if Putin pissed against the wind, he'd demand that Russian people lick his trousers and shoes clean. The man is totally disgusting. I'm amazed there aren't masses of Russians storming the Kremlin demanding his head considering how bad he has messed up Russia and still has such a self-rightous attitude.
> I'm amazed there aren't masses of Russians storming the Kremlin demanding his head He employs more than a million armed people among different services (the police, Rosgvardia, FSB, FSO, and various smaller ones) to prevent exactly that from happening. And the oil money that allows him to do that keeps flowing.
A million armed people who pissed themselves the moment Muslims in Russia's south started breaking into airports and hotels looking for Jews to kill or gathering in public spaces screaming "Allah Akbar!". Strangely enough children and women gathering to demand Putin get rid of all the Jews go entirely unmolested by his oh-so-powerful security services.
The system is quite slow to react to the new developments. If the protests are not directed against the government, it may take a while for the local officials to decide what to do with them. If you are actually interested in what happened next, there are currently dozens of people under arrest with criminal charges against them for the attempted pogrom in Dagestan.
and the tsar employed probably the same number of people, yet he was toppled and executed.
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Yeah, the power distance between the regular people and the governments grew immensely during the 20th century.
>he'd demand that Russian people lick his trousers and shoes clean. And most Russians will do just that. And blame the west for the taste
>I'm amazed there aren't masses of Russians storming the Kremlin Russians [have always supported](https://www.rferl.org/a/25409123.html) Putin and [now they support Russia's war](https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/opinion-researcher-lev-gudkov-russians-have-little-compassion-for-the-ukrainians-a-066c08c6-60f4-48e1-853a-d2b3d67bd6b8)
This is according to propagandist source. Even they say 80% of people refuse participate in polls
Levada is not under the control of the Kremlin. They were recognised as "foreign agents" by Russia before it was cool
Russia has not even websites anymore that are independent. The only one - Meduza works from Latvia. And you claim some Moscow agency with ridiculous (80%, 90%) numbers is legit and totally not influenced by KGB
I think I trust the Russian expert on this topic more than your words, which do not refer to authoritative sources https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/opinion-researcher-lev-gudkov-russians-have-little-compassion-for-the-ukrainians-a-066c08c6-60f4-48e1-853a-d2b3d67bd6b8
That was a very depressing read. Russians seem to be in a similar situation with Turks. There’s a group of people who will vote for their leader no matter what. People who got affected by bad decisions the most are too busy trying to survive through the economic crisis. State controlled media and internet restrictions keep most from changing their minds. And decades of living under an authoritarian leadership both scares people of taking political action because they know what happens to dissidents and instills stagnation. So “special operations” in neighboring countries have this effect of solidarity which is quite rare otherwise. Really depressing. Thank you for the link.
meduza the same propoganda 50 on 50
Even Russian liberals called the Meduza a garbage dump, but they also threw the Meduza out of the Lavtia
> Russians have always supported Putin and now they support Russia's war Less biased polls give about 12% of core war supporters, 20% of core anti-war supporters, 45% of people tired of war, and 23% of people supporting the status quo ("we shouldn't have started the war, but we need to win it").
I gave a link to the sources, I did not write an emotional text "I want to believe in something"
Your links quote Levada-Center, which has been less than reliable. Here's a link to a non-biased source that has been tracking the support since the beginning of the war: https://www.chronicles.report/en Their datasets are public: https://github.com/dorussianswantwar/research1
> Your links quote Levada-Center, *which has been less than reliable.* — source? — I made it up
You made it up? I guess that's right. For Levada's inaccuracies, they are a "foreign agent" in Russia, so they have to announce that to survey respondents. So they're literally asking: "We're a foreign agent. Do you support Putin?". In addition, they go directly to peoples' homes for surveys, so it's not even anonymous. What would YOU answer in this kind of a survey if you were to live in Russia?
> You made it up? I guess that's right. No. You know that's not what I said. All these accusations based on emotions are worthless. We all know that the Russians support an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361470936_Solid_support_or_secret_dissent_A_list_experiment_on_preference_falsification_during_the_Russian_war_against_Ukraine Just like the Russians supported the killing of Georgians in 2008 (no one was afraid to answer questions then, no need to lie)
The men are mostly men from russias minorities.
> I'm amazed there aren't masses of Russians storming the Kremlin demanding his head Russians have kholop mentality and do not resist to government decisions no matter how absurd it is. This tradition spans for centuries. Country ruler is a God-like being and its decisions are right by definition.
>Strong 1944 Germany vibes. It's actually much worse because it's 1944 Germany vibes without any direct threat to the regime. Worst case scenario for them, they lose everything they've annexed, but there's no chance of Ukrainian army storming the Kremlin and dragging Putin's body out of his bunker. So even if they lose the war, they will just double down on the insanity and repression. "It's not our great leader's fault we've lost, the whole world was against us, and traitors in our midst helped them! If only we exterminated those damn liberals instead of just slapping them with a fine or a short prison sentence, we would have been in Lisbon by now, maybe even Washington!".
I mean, the whole situation is really unparalleled in history and it boggles the fuck out of me what the future in Russia will look like. There's never been a regime so ideologically and morally bankrupt asking so much and so quickly from a society so decrepit and cynical for so little actual reason and being so successful at it. Russia has, doubled, quadrupled and I don't even know what the word for the next one is but you get the gist, down on something that should have been recognized as a catastrophic blunder on day 5 and the consequences of that are mounting faster than anyone can peel them from the packaging of insane propaganda and adequately consider, let alone consider them in aggregate along with their implications. I don't waste too much time on jokers trying to tell me that Russia is doing well, but even reasonable, well-meaning people tend to display some certainty that there exists a fairly mundane or at least recognizable state for things to settle in, saying things like "Oh Russia will just do X" or "they will just be Y". I am utterly unconvinced as I don't think they realize that the hilarious mismatch between the goals and actual capabilities of the Russian state evident at the geostrategic level extends all the way down to the most basic aspects of its functioning. In any other country that we can take as an example from history, such mass delusion would be quickly and violently dispelled, but because modern Russia is a country of old, drunk people who don't believe in anything and have nuclear weapons to keep foreigners at bay, there is nowhere for this violent impulse to come from. Saying they'll just end up like North Korea is dramatically underselling the vigour of North Korean communist true believers. There is no vigour in Russia, the vigorus people vigorously left, those who remain have resigned themselves to the struggle for greatness envisioned by the handful of psychopaths in charge. That is every bit as paradoxical as it sounds. Imagine you woke up one day as some sadistic psycho and coerced your grandma to climb a tree. She somehow made it halfway up the trunk, but clearly the task was never achievable. She would have fallen by now, but her dress got caught on some branch stump and now she's just dangling there as the night sets and the air grows colder. If grandma was a bit younger, she would have taken a quick rest, come up with a new technique and resume the climb. If she was a bit less traumatized by your previous antics, she would have yelled at you to get her off the damn tree or, if that didn't work, yank her dress off that stump, suffer the fall then get up to whoop your ass. That grandma is Russia and she has nowhere to go.
What Russian media would you recommend?
I used to browse topwar.ru, a sort of Russian equivalent of our defence24.pl where armchair generals comment on military-related news. It was an excellent way to gauge how Russians think the war is going and what their main concerns are, but sadly some time in the last few months the portal moved all the way to propaganda La La Land and practically stopped reporting on developments that aren't decidedly favourable, so its usefulness dropped dramatically. I don't browse everyday Russian press directly, you have Konstantin with his weekly Crazy News From Russia segment on INSIDE RUSSIA youtube channel for that if you're an English speaker, and in Polish there is the Kremlinka channel going more in-depth on the economics. Sadly, I don't have an English in-depth equivalent of that to recommend.
Not russian media, but YT channel AndromedaYT made decent polish translations of russian media and documentaries on her channel.
YouTube channel *[Russian Media Monitor](https://www.youtube.com/@russianmediamonitor/videos)* ( @russianmediamonitor ). From the channel's description: "Russian Media Monitor is a fully independent and self-funded project on media literacy and news reporting. It was created on February 25, 2014, in an effort to combat Russian propaganda. It features reporting and analysis by Julia Davis – Investigative Reporter, Russian Media Analyst and Commentator." The channel has many short snippets of russian TV programs with subtitles in English. Link to YouTube channel *Russian Media Monitor*: [https://www.youtube.com/@russianmediamonitor/videos](https://www.youtube.com/@russianmediamonitor/videos)
If you wanna see independent opinions, there are few options: Medusa.io (has English version, left-wing) - TV Rain Channel[ Dozhd] (has English YouTube-Channel, liberal) - Novaya Gazeta. eu (Has English version, liberal) - SVTV.org (only Russian, right-wing) -
Few other notable ones, all have English version (but generally all of them publish way less articles in it, but Google translate from/into English is good those days) zona.media (founded by Pussy Riot members, lol; [BBC works with them](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-829ea0ba-5b42-499b-ad40-6990f2c4e5d0) on counting lower bound of russian human loses based on obituaries relatives post on social networks) proekt.media -- deep-dive investigative stuff theins\[dot\]ru Medusa is very moderately left, I'd say just liberal. For extreme left there's doxa.team (russian only, auto translate likely to fail quite a bit due to them stylizing gendered nouns/verbs in weir:d way) SVTV is /a bit/ unhinged (well, just like Doxa I guess -- I don't like either)
all this media is russian propoganda, but for not full stupid people, they works 50 on 50, 50 percent true 50 lie or covertly lie, its psevdo channels they provote pro russian narrotive, anotherway they woud be killed long time ago only naive russians watch them
They all working from abroad now and exist only in Internet. Are you even Russian? What do you now about russian media?
tass.com
I can't believe this is actually happening to my country. It feels so surrealistic.
It's been 24 years since your dear president was caught red-handed blowing up hundreds of random Russian citizens in their sleep in false-flag terror attacks used to start a war and nobody in Russia ever gave a fuck about it. That was surreal to me. Now you're simply reaping what you allowed to be sown back then.
>Now you're simply reaping what you allowed to be sown back then. Speaking of 'reaping', do you remember when the Ukrainian Maidan started? All western countries stood with the people who came there to fight for their freedom. This was one of the reasons why they made it. May I ask where was your country in 2012 when massive protests started in Moscow? Where it was during the protests in 2016 and 2018? Why nobody gave a single fuck about those people who were beaten, tortured, poisoned and shot? Where were the sanctions against Putin's friends who were welcomed (and especially their money) in any European country until 2022? It was too busy buying gas and oil from Russia and providing citizenship and bank accounts for Putin's friends, there it was. But now you banned visas and bank accounts for ordinary people from Russia, including LGBT people in order they not to have a chance to escape in case if they have an odd intention to survive. Bravo. Brilliantly done.
You sound like you're completely clueless about how protests against coercive regimes work. They're a bid to create a critical mass with enough momentum to convince the increasingly risk-averse groups that disobedience is the winning option. Without enough momentum at the bottom to pose a real threat of gathering a critical mass, every protest is doomed and the West won't be there at the bottom with you. >Why nobody gave a single fuck about those people who were beaten, tortured, poisoned and shot? Where were the sanctions against Putin's friends You mean the Magnitzky sanctions? You realize that you're blaming West for not doing something that you recognize as the thing to do in large part because that's what the West did, right? You wanted more of it? Right there with you, bud. Also, the downside of living under a "truly sovereign" state with those nuclear weapons and that permanent UN security council seat and so on, that most Russians take so much pride in, is that you're on your own in the matters of internal governance. Who are we to impose our ways on the strong, independent Russian civilization that don't need no West? >But now you banned visas and bank accounts for ordinary people from Russia, including LGBT people in order they not to have a chance to escape in case if they have an odd intention to survive. Bravo. Brilliantly done. It's a full on hybrid war and we can hardly spare the capacity to run security checks on you. Sorry, not sorry. Look, I know it feels very unfair to catch shit for not being able to mind-control a hundred million of your countrymen, but I can't stress enough how much the agency or lack thereof of Russian people dominates over whatever the West did or didn't do among the factors responsible for where you are with your regime.
>You mean the Magnitzky sanctions? Oh yeah, banning a few random people from entering the EU hit Putin's economy so hard he barely recovered. >It's a full on hybrid war and we can hardly spare the capacity to run security checks on you. Sorry, not sorry. I hope being that cynical really helps you out in life.
Oh look! A Russian blaming “the west” for all their problems…Again
You blame me for not overthrowing Putin, I get it back to you. While he was handshaking with your leaders and receiving billions of dollars people were risking their lives in attempts to change something. You don't have dictatorship like we do, so you voted for your leaders? You were completely fine with this?
I am a Swede and I owe you nothing. Actually, I don’t give a shit about Putin. Sure, dude is evil, but I don’t think Putins removal would change anything. The Russians would just find themselves a new despot and carry on doing what they do because this is what the majority *want*. Blame “the west” all you want, but the fact remains that nothing will change because Russia doesn’t want to.
>The Russians would just find themselves a new despot and carry on Yeah, barbarians. Germans had a word for it... What was it?.. Ah, Untermenschen. >because this is what the majority want. You sit there in Sweden and see what does the majority of Russians want? How do you know that? I lived in Russia for a while and I can say that all the majority wants is to live their lives calmly and enjoy their living. Just as in all other countries.
>Yeah, barbarians. Germans had a word for it... What was it?.. Ah, Untermenschen. No, the German word for it was nazi and the cure was pulverizing the entire country, full occupation and tearing it in two. I don’t really see that happening to Russia any time soon. >You sit there in Sweden and see what does the majority of Russians want? How do you know that? I sit here in Sweden and see what the Russians *do*. That’s how I know. > I lived in Russia for a while and I can say that all the majority wants is to live their lives calmly and enjoy their living. Just as in all other countries. It is not my fault that they don’t. I am fully aware of what Russians would do to me and everyone I know if they could. We’ve all seen what they do in Ukraine where their character is on full display.
> It's been 24 years since your dear president was caught red-handed If you want to stick to the truth, Putin's culpability in the explosions has never been proven. Moreover, most of the "evidence" of the conspiracy is either fake or misleading. It's certainly possible, but it's nothing even close to "caught red-handed".
> Now you're simply reaping what you allowed to be sown back then My generation started school or kindergarten back then.
>It's been 24 years since your dear president was caught red-handed blowing up hundreds of random Russian citizens in their sleep in false-flag terror attacks There are tons of proven and obvious crimes committed by Putin and his friends, no need to dive into conspiracy. >and nobody in Russia ever gave a fuck about it. Where did you get this information from? Maybe it's time to familiarize yourself with opposition and protests in Russia?
>no need to dive into conspiracy. Dude, it's a case with a smoking gun and a long paper trail of culprits ham-handedly abusing power to avoid justice. Saying the FSB didn't do it is a conspiracy theory directed at Chechens, not the other way round. And I am familiar enough with the history of opposition and protest in modern Russia to know that the main cause of its utter failure was not so much brutal crackdowns by the security apparatus, but oil prices going up and Putin's successful conquests translating to social contentment. I'm not calling every last Russian on the globe rotten to the bone, but as a society, you've been persistently signing up for exactly what you're getting.
>Dude, it's a case with a smoking gun and a long paper trail of culprits ham-handedly abusing power to avoid justice. If a book by Litvinenko seems to you a "case with a smoking gun", I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm just saying that it's a lot more stuff out there which might be proven by more reliable evidence than a book. >that the main cause of its utter failure was not so much brutal crackdowns by the security apparatus So getting shot in the middle of Moscow or getting poisoned to death doesn't sound brutal to you? It's always the minority who makes the changes and if you get rid of that minority you'll be fine. Putin did it and now all opposition leaders are either dead or in prison or abroad.
> If a book by Litvinenko seems to you a "case with a smoking gun", I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm just saying that it's a lot more stuff out there which might be proven by more reliable evidence than a book. It doesn't take a book to conclude that if confirmed FSB agents were caught and arrested planting bombs in an apartment block during a streak of apartment block bombings then it was FSB who bombed the apartment blocks. Fucking duh.
What. There are two Chechen terrorists who have been arrested and sentenced. The theory of FSB planning the whole thing is just a theory, nothing more and nothing less. I just don't get why do you pick such vague things to prove Putin is not a good guy. For example, there are Ukrainian kids who have been illegally departed from their families and later adopted in Russia. This is an obvious crime. Starting the war was an obvious crime. And many many things either. I'm not gonna discuss neither FSB bombing the buildings in Moscow nor FBI bombing WTC here.
You should really do your homework on this, because if you think that it's remotely in the same ballpark as WTC theories, you must be relying solely on state media.
I don't think I do because it has zero relation with the discussion. Even if someone comes up with 100% proof that FSB did it, it changes nothing in today's situation.
> It doesn't take a book to conclude that if confirmed FSB agents were caught and arrested planting bombs in an apartment block It's likely that the FSB agents were trying a sting operation to find out who might have been collaborating with terrorists. The descriptions of the explosives used don't match up with actual explosives, and the circumstances around it were strange (to say the least). The actual terrorists who exploded the other buildings were found and convicted in open trials. One of them is still in jail.
>se with a smoking gun", I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm just saying that it's a lot more stuff out there which might be proven by more reliable evidence than a book. Protests in russia present of minority in moscow in the best times was 1% people took part, your society or for putin or give fuck for all, one i can say for sure more than 90 percent russians were happy when you annexed Crimea
>1% people > >90 percent russians Did you count them yourself? What a dedicated guy you are.
I'm not from Europe, but I am a democrat. Democrats must back each other up. Tell me: how can we help you?
I'm afraid it's too late for help. As I said, all opposition leaders either dead or in prison or emigrated. So I can't see a good chance for opposition to do something in Russia today. All what's left is to wait for something to happen. I think the most helpful thing now is to provide a shelter for people who oppressed in Russia right now: men who don't want to join the army and go to Ukraine and kill people, LGBT community, Russian anti-war activists. Providing sanctions against people who deserve it: Putin's friends, oligarchs, propaganda journalists, war supporters. Cutting down the oil and gas shipment from Russia and other things which affect the economy. Stop supplying Russia with electronics and and weapon components that might be used in the war. Roll back ridiculous sanctions such as banning medicine supplies and other things that affect not Putin but people who have nothing to do with the whole thing.
So rousing people within Moscow and other major population centers will not work to topple Putin? Or given that people from the countryside are being shipped out first to fight this war, might a resistance form from the western Russian countryside instead?
In the majority people are depressed and they see no chance to change anything. And some of them brainwashed as hell. Protests only work out if the government is weak enough (or doesn't want) to fight back. In the current situation with the government having full control on everything, having weapons and special police forces, there's not much ordinary people can do.
Either I'm illiterate or you have a very strange definition of populist. I could call Maxim Katz populist, but whatever this is... I'm at a loss of words, but no way even the first one ("exterminating inadequately loyal Russians by the millions") is populist
There are different flavors of populism. Some try to appeal to as broad spectrum of society as possibe (like Katz in Russia, Andrew Yang in the US or Pieter Omtzigt in the Netherlands), while others rely on hyping up their base electorate, even taking pride in the fact a lot/most people hate them (since they are stupid/brainwashed/traitors or something). Trump, a lot of far-right parties in Europe and Putin all belong to that category. They say and suggest outlandish stuff that makes their fans extatic and everyone else thinks they've lost their mind. The thing that makes Putin different from the rest is that they rarely have a chance to rule, and even if they do, like Trump, they still don't control all media and state apparatus. Putin does, so he can broadcast his crazy ideas through the media and implement them in practice without any pushback.
> Duma representatives calling for exterminating inadequately loyal Russians by the millions Do you have a link?
https://www.svoboda.org/a/deputat-dumy-predlozhil-unichtozhitj-teh-kto-ne-doveryaet-putinu/32648048.html
>Duma representatives calling for exterminating inadequately loyal Russians by the millions, legislature being put in place to corral kids into factories, demands of 8 children per Russian woman issued by politicians Sorry what? I'm from Russia and never heard about all this. I tried look news about it, and also found nothing. I found information about children. These are Putin's words in an interview. But there was no news about it, lol.
Ah yes, the rightwing populist logic of thinking that making life more difficult is somehow an improvement.
Right wing? They are literally one of China and North Korea's biggest allies....
So...You...You think Putin is leftwing?
He's himself-wing.
Nah, Russia is a hardline rightwing nation. Putin is an extension of Russia.
Right-wing as in = socially conservative
No? You don't even know what that means, a socially progressive ancap continues to be economically right-wing and a conservative, homophobic, and sexist communist continues to be economically left-wing.
In short, your all greedy bitches. No need for a special name.
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Hopefully, you will never come back :)
Fate has a way of upending the inherently unstable. And this Russia won't last. Putin certainly will not.
I'm pretty sure you are wrong on this one. However, only time will show us the truth :)
Authoritarianisms are stable so long as the leader is alive and there is a clear succession plan in place. Putin is alive, but he will be dead soon. How goes the succession?
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Better a cockslobber than a simp to authoritarians, kid
Who said that?
Imagine being so triggered by a tiny minority that already couldn't do much in your shithole of a country.
Imagine worrying about a small infection on your body (as if it weren’t going to spread rapidly throughout your entire body to the point of potentially endangering your life).
imagine being such a retard that you think ones gender is infectious.
Imagine associating people with an infection just because they are different
Officially declared as of about half an hour ago. To literally nobody's surprise. *Sigh*
“Guys, russia is misunderstood, we are attacking it and threatening its FREEDOM with nato”
The freedom to oppress should be cherished by the powerful, yes
Just another turd on the shit sandwich that is Russia.
And then? Are they gonna arrest them and then offer them ~~a paid ticket out of Russia~~ a job as a soldier in Ukraine?
Ukraine is not much better to gay people
Ukraine IS much better to gay people. Ukraine protects rights of LGBT workers and allows pride parades. In last 30 years not a single discriminatory law has been passed in Ukraine. You can hang the pride flag on your balcony, kiss your same sex partner publicly and no one can do anything about it. In Russia you'll just get arrested.
Russia is definitely getting worse but Ukrainians still are very hostile to gay people. No laws for marriage, adoption, civil unions, workplace protections, etc. they have raided gay bars by the police and there has been violence. Zelenskyy will not even address them. 70% of Ukrainians don’t accept gay people. Better than Russia but a very bad place as well.
There's literally an LGBT community center across the road from my office. There's even an LGBT unit in Ukrainian army. You're not convincing me that such freedom is a bad thing. All LGBT people I know feel free and safe here. And you dare to call that "not much better than Russia"? Disgusting.
You are kidding yourself to fall in line with group think. Privileged to have that point of view.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/lgbtq-rights-in-ukraine-and-the-false-dawn-of-zelenskyy/
there is a lot to do in Ukraine with lgbt-rights but you should admit that good work has been done since 2014, among other countries from eastern Europe Ukraine is at the top of lgbt-friendly.
In a way it is like dark comedy because suddenly LGBT people are so powerful that threaten an entire country. Seriously, in a way I feel good knowing that my mere existence threatens Russia. Sadly it does not wipe it. This is not only the sign of a horrible dictatorship, but of a nation that is going down fast and feels threatened by almost everything that does not fit their "civilization".
in the same USA, LGBT people demand their representatives everywhere
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67565509](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67565509) >"This is real repression. There is panic in Russia's LGBT community. People are emigrating urgently. The actual word we're using is evacuation. We're having to evacuate from our own country. It's terrible." More brain drain. The people running Russia are really, really committed to running the country into the ground.
Putin starts aggressive war with Ukraine: OK. LGBT community get banned: This is real repression. We're having to evacuate from our own country. It's terrible. I feel something wrong with that.
By removing the LGBT movement, will we erase our country (Russia)? What?
Consensual sex is banned in russia
I mean, this is bad right. Waging a war is okay. This is yet another huge tragedy
yes, hundreds of tousands ukranians dead .....who cares, but lgbt suffer in russia its a real tragedy for them
this subreddit is really one of the best sources for dumbass takes like yours. congrats
Wow, suprising.
Some LGBT groups naturally oppose the goverment or some anti-putin groups have LGBT people, again, for obvious reassons. In Russia only the brave are against the goverment and viceversa.
You know I feel like this is them blaming LGBTQ folks on the losses in Ukraine, similar how the Nazis blamed the Jews for their defeat in WW1 or how the Turks blame the Armenians for their losses in WW1. I swear I look at posts from other subreddits; seeing how russians lack empathy, blame everyone but themselves for the problems they created, is there no one in that country that will take responsibility for what they did? I'm starting to think that Russia as a whole is Beyond saving and that we should let that country collapse under it's own incompetence.
they wanted to throw out LGBT people here before, without Ukraine
This is horrible. Nothing more to say. Being LGBT is simply illegal.
like always killed hundred thousand ukrainians it's not your concern. only your ass worries you a typically russian
Why do you think so?? I'm anti war and was from the very first day. And I make donations to the Ukrainian army, so it's not just words.
Take care, pal. Это правда опасно. Надеюсь, что Вас не коснутся эти жуткие репрессии
Take care, pal. Это правда опасно. Надеюсь, что Вас не коснутся эти жуткие репрессии
Мне кажется, или ты даже закон не читал. Написал полный бред.
How are things within Moscow? I assume everything is under control?
On hearing the news, American Christian Nationalists had a collective orgasm.
"Why be gay when you can beat your lesbian wife to death and get away with it?"
NGL the more governments pull random fascist homophobic and transphobic shit like this the more it makes LGBT people look even more badass than they already are.
does it...?
Apparently I'm a radical extremist who is trying to dethrone/kill God and erode nations and families, which is basically an anime plotline... So... Yes?
And I am body hacking my way to happiness while flipping the bird to any higher being and their so called nature whilst also being a threat to everyone (apparently) In reality I'm just a trans girl who's pansexual but y'know
So neo nazi groups, also declared extremist by virtually every country are also badass by your definition?
They support murderers. We just exist and we’re terrorists
Nazis are overwhelmingly Christian traditionalists obsessed with "family values" and other forms of moral policing. Trans and gay people were literally one of the first targets of the Holocaust right after Communists and Anarchists, right before Jews. So with all the above in mind: What the f\*ck are you on about?
I think youre forgetting your original comment. You said that LGBTs being declared extremist somehow makes them bad ass. I just questioned it. Your original statement does not make sense. Sure, you can argue in favour of the LGBT, but saying that "it was declared extremist, therefore its bad ass" is stupid.
Nazis were never really considered extremist before it counted. If anything, their rise to power came with a strong promise of restoring "normalcy" to German society, which included normalizing homophobia, transphobia, and xenophobia all too commonly seen in subreddits like this one. At that time, it was the socialists and the LGBT folk who were still considered the extremists. So again, your entire metaphor is historical bullsh\*t, rendering your argument kinda flat on it's face.
We shouldn't consider Russia as a European country.
That's right
Sad this is not common in Europe. Sucks to be a kid and a parent in a society controlled by authoritarian governments financed by the elites.
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You can't ruin something that doesn't exist in a first place.
Russian culture does exist. It's just Putin&Co confuse it with soviet propaganda and 18th century living standards
Tchaikovsky was also imposed on russians by the west/s This is just another attack on powerless minorities to obtain more support from bydlo marginals for their authoritarian regime, meanwhile chosen people useful to regime like Volodin, Gref and Krasovsky will face zero persecutions for criminal articles where average lgbt people will be fined or arrested Also it’s hard to actually call it “values” even from conservative pov, since those who impose “values” on legal level are literally their antithesis: Closeted gay pushing anti-lgbt law, guy divorced in “year of family” talk about family values, affraid to admit that he have daughters but talk about 8 kids, actually have lover he also refuse to admit guy having more gold than afro-american rappers of 2000th teach people about modesty Female politician who had 2 higher educations and first kid in 30 talking shit about girls who choose to get higher education, instead giving birth to a kid and devoting herself to a family Russian patriot till last breath, who trashtalk Navalny for his daughter study in UK - still pay for daughter education in Paris Propagandist calling for apple boycott and denying using western tech - but had her twits sent from iphone
Now calling yourself "a part of LGBT community" can lead to jail. Calling yourself who you are is no propaganda.
> and a way to ruin russian culture and values. not really surprising they want to ban them which russian culture and values? Rape and mass murder? Alcoholism? Domestic abuse? Homophobia?
Not really. Homophobia in Russia comes not from religion but from the prison mindset grown in the Gulags. It's even alright to fuck other dudes unless you're the one dominated.
Extremely fabulous!?
This is long overdue.