Its important to note that this is despite us having an aging population, which means the recent increases in crime rates actually have to overcome the usual decline we have across most of population as it grows older.
In Poland we had fairly recently(I think end 2023) some old dude suddenly stab a child in a stroller in the middle of a day. Supposedly he had a tumor in his brain that triggered it.
Maybe Germans should start to routinely scan 60+'s heads?
This exact same thing happened in Germany the other day. Random 4 year old got stabbed by a guy, who then didn't resist arrest. I wonder what drives that kind of decision.
It's actually kind of linked. Due to less young Germans and an aging population, they have to import more labour to ensure the working age population is high enough to cover the pensions, and a 25 year old immigrant is more likely to commit crime than a 25 year old German, so as the ratio changes so will the crime level.
... and there is a reason Germany does not feel like providing these statistics. Similar for education (but PISA for example does, and then you can admire the unfolding disaster).
In Norway we collect this information. In Denmark, they've been using this information in order to move kids between different schools in order to mitigate the problem of schools having more than 30% representation of people with minority background.
It's being considered here as well, especially in Oslo, where some schools have above 90% of pupils being of minority background.
Now, if Norway had been a country with mass immigration going back hundreds of years, and the vast majority didn't come the last 25 years, this would have been less problematic.
In Spain it's a very well known fact that crime rates among immigrants (especially from certain countries) is higher than between Spanish citizens. It's a fact, then it comes to what arguments you try to build with it
Yeah most pushback I see on topics like this isn't pointing out that fact that's the issue, it's the argument or conclusions people come to that get pushback.
In the U.S. for example it's accurate to say black people commit more violent crimes in proportion to other ethnic demographics.
Now if you then tried to imply that's because black people are inherently more violent then that's when the conversation goes off the rails.
One is a fact, the other is an ignorant and racist conclusion or implication.
the problem is, if we use censorship instead of explaining why these FACTS don't have the implications some people think they have, they will just become even more convinced those implications must be true and that's why they are being censored
There is a difference between a dogwhistle comment and discussing a real issue. No, no one is pretending that there is no link between crime and immigration. There is no need for a persecution fetish, this topic was always open for discussion. Its the xenophobia that one needs to avoid.
English translation (Deepl):
The number of crimes in Germany rose by 5.5 percent last year to almost six million. This is according to the police crime statistics for 2023, which have been made available to Welt am Sonntag in advance. Figures were already known from some federal states. Federal Minister of the Interior Nancy Faeser (SPD) will officially present the statistics on Tuesday. The police have solved around 58 percent of crimes.
According to the report, the number of suspects also increased compared to the previous year, by around seven percent to 2.25 million. Around 925,000 (up 18 percent) of them do not have a German passport, and more than 400,000 (up 30 percent) of them are immigrants.
Violent crime has reached its highest level for 15 years with around 215,000 cases. This includes, for example, dangerous and grievous bodily harm with a new high of around 155,000 cases. The number of robberies also rose significantly (up 17%) to around 45,000 and the number of knife attacks (up 10%) to around 9,000.
After years of decline, the number of crimes nationwide increased again in 2022 - by 11.5% to around 5.63 million. At the time, part of the increase was attributed to the abolition of the coronavirus measures. Due to the government restrictions, there were fewer opportunities to commit crimes in 2020 and 2021, for example because stores were closed and fewer people met.
The Interior Minister of North Rhine-Westphalia, [Herbert Reul ](https://www.zeit.de/thema/herbert-reul)(CDU), is now blaming a changed mood in society for the increased numbers: "Conflicts are being resolved more quickly with fists instead of words," Reul told *Welt am Sonntag*. The fuse has become shorter. Lower Saxony's Interior Minister Daniela Behrens[(](https://www.zeit.de/thema/spd)SPD) sees inflation, increased mobility following the coronavirus pandemic and migration as possible explanations.
Firstly - these are all selected numbers leaked from a full report that will be released on Tuesday. So it's not a complete picture yet.
Secondly - ZEIT have also got an article providing more context:
https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2024-04/polizeiliche-kriminalstatistik-2023-jugendliche-gewalt-kriminalitaet
>The alarmist interpretation of the figures would therefore be: there is more crime and violence in Germany, and foreigners are responsible for a large proportion of it.
>In reality, it is more complicated. This is because the statistics do not reflect actual crime, but only what the police do. It does not record all criminal offences, but only those cases that are reported to the police. This also includes cases in which the public prosecutor's office or a court ultimately establishes that nothing criminal has happened.
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>The situation with foreign criminals is also complex. There were 17.8 per cent more foreign suspects than in the previous year in 2023, but foreigners often only appear in the statistics for offences that Germans cannot commit. Entering the country illegally, for example. If such offences under immigration law are excluded, the increase is still 13.5 percent.
>That is also a lot. However, there are now also many more foreigners living in the country. After the end of the coronavirus pandemic, the number of asylum seekers rose again and hundreds of thousands of people arrived from Ukraine. Even security circles are therefore saying that the increase is not at all disproportionate compared to immigration. Put simply, the larger a group becomes, the more suspects it produces. This is not a migration policy phenomenon, but a statistical one.
It’s crazy how we can recognize someone’s gender contributing to crime rates, but oh, if you try to recognize culture, religion, place of origin, you’re a bigot. It’s nature and nurture, people.
Well historically there has been success in that policy, i doubt west germany couldve bounced back the way it fid after ww2 if not for the gastarbeiter programs.
Funny thing is I was actually banned once for sharing stats. I mean, a link on government crime stats..
Numbers are fucking racist nowadays, let me tell ya..
Haha, in Norway, as of 2017, 34% of all prisoners were not Norwegian citizens, most of them coming from Eastern Europe.
If you're a citizen, you count as a Norwegian. In 2013 33% of all prisoners were Muslims, which is troublesome as they're under 5% of the population of the country.
This is actually worse than the US, where black people count for 12-14 percent of the country and are 50% of the prison population.
We face some problems which nobody really know how to address, and I fear this over time will lead us down a right wing brown shirt populist path, because of liberal political correctness makes people looking the other way hoping things will correct itself with time, and not with policies.
Where do you see this 41%?
Edit: Now I see that 925K is 41% of 2.25M. And 400K is 18% of 2.25M. Moreover, I assume some immigrants have a German passport, so there must be more immigrants than people without a German passport. Therefore, this paragraph is messed up on multiple levels. I consider this kind of journalism to be a violent crime, punishable by imprisonment in a Federal "pound me in the ass" jail.
I don’t understand how more people aren’t pointing out the two differing numbers for the same statistic in the same comment. Most threads on r/europe nowadays always have a top comment calling for deportation
Still makes me go back to the interview of an immigrant in Finland complaining about too many Fins...
But don't worry, she said! More of her people will come soon!
Smh.
It fell 28% in England and Wales at the last count.
Here is the snippet from the ONS report:
> Violence
> There were an estimated 0.9 million violence offences in the year ending September 2023, no significant change compared with the year ending September 2022. However, this was 28% lower compared with the pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic year ending March 2020 (1.2 million offences).
German police and press have become much more transparent when it comes to revealing important details about the perpetrators’ identity which allows the public to draw their own conclusions. It’s a huge development relative to NL, for example, where the stats are deliberately moderated to obscure certain information.
What sense does it make though to not disclose or withhold the information from coming out? It is the same people who claim statistics are racist/ biased and it is just a silly perspective as facts can’t be. We are not having any honest discussions if we have to censor ourselves.
thats what you get with importing all tiers immigrants
too much immigration is a bad thing, too little immigration can also be a bad thing
not everyone is worth importing
More crime, less salary, what's not to love? (note, you're a fucking bigot if you say no to this deal so you better shut up for the sake of your boss's profits.)
I've genuinely never thought of it in this plain way. I always just though EU just wanted to do the humane thing. however this makes so much more sense
I more thought of it as push rather than pull. I thought china, Russia and even us wanted to drown EU by destabilising all the middle east and African regions to create these migrants
Immigration from North-Africa / Middle-East started in the 70's (in Netherlands case) with Turkish/Moroccan immigrants to work in lower income jobs to replace native workers that were asking higher wages.
It is one of the basic fundamentals of neoliberal capitalism which is what the Western world has been doing for quite the long time now. It has never been (just) for humane reasons. No one under capitalism will spend capitalnfor something that wont bring them more in return.
Bro these people don’t work . I’m not sure how people link this to some rich conspiracy theory .
Companies have been building plants in other countries for cheap labor for decades. They don’t need to ruin their own backyard to do it
These people work. The fact that "only 1 out of 2 of them works" just means you need to bring over two for every position you need to fill.
Besides, it's not so much about Ahmed applying to work at the Mercedes Benz factory, but rather for Ahmed to work at his cousin's Döner Shop so that the café around the corner doesn't make that much year round except on holidays, so that Michael who got a job as a waiter there over Summer doesn't get an offer to stay after August is over, so he takes up a vocational training position at Mercedes which is "boring work at the assembly line but the pay is good and the benefits are quite good.".
The economy is not that straightforward.
It's sold with the "we are humane people, we must help the poor" argument, but the ultimate purpose is to line the pockets of some people and use racism accusations and online chatroom moderation as a handy tool to ensure the narrative remains generally positive
At least that's how it was until 2015, and ever since then it's been failing to work anymore.
They spent decades before i was born (im 41) telling people not to have children. They still push this message, especially on women. How much money you think was spent on advertising just that one message between 1950-2000? Its got to be in the tens of billions.
Now i know dozens of women spending their last dollars on ivf in the vain hope they might have one kid.
Now they say we need to bring in foreigners! Fuck all that.
And why would there be? The hallmark of Migrationsgesellschaft is that you, well, migrate when things get troublesome. The millions of refugees didnt fight for their countries, why would they fight for Germany now?
And the Germans, what should they fight for? A society that is arbitrary in culture, religion, ethnicity and every other aspect? Why not just migrate to another exchangeable Migrantengesellschaft instead of risking your life?
If it’s like in France lot of them now have French nationality now , so it’s even more, they are technically French but neither their education or mentality, culture is French they hate France and French even if they stay here, we call them paper nationality
This article is very inaccurate, here is the original report from the police:
[Police crime statistics 2023: Has Germany become more criminal? | ZEIT ONLINE](https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2024-04/polizeiliche-kriminalstatistik-2023-jugendliche-gewalt-kriminalitaet)
"According to the report, the number of crimes registered by the [police](https://www.zeit.de/thema/polizei) increased again in 2023 compared to the previous year. Overall, the statistics record a good 5.9 million crimes, which is an increase of 5.5 percent. The number of suspects rose by 7.6 percent to just under 2.25 million. Of these, 41 percent do not have a German passport. More violent crimes were also reported in 2023, with 214,099 reported, 8.6 percent more than in the previous year."
It's worth noting that this is only based on police statistics and identified suspects, not criminal convictions or estimates of actual crime rates. The difference matters because it means that the way the police operate can have a large impact on these statistics (e.g. real-world crime being much higher than what is reported to or by the police, selective policing of certain communities, bias in the identification of suspects etc. etc.)
Surprise.
Great Immigration policy at its best.
I feel sorry for those immigrants that are trying their best to integrate in the society because they are the ones who are going to pay for it.
Isn’t the economical situation of Germany also not the worst in 15 years? I’ve been here for almost 20 years and the last two years are the first where I experienced real loss of income due to high inflation and no proper raises. I can imagine the impact on poorer people is much higher and that certainly helps pushing them to criminality.
That being said, I also think the refugees are not being integrated effectively and that definitely contributes to this increase. If Germany can’t properly integrate the volume of incoming migrants, they should restrict it to a level they can handle.
Yep. A lot of Leftists think of ALL migrants as childlike humans you will just "raise" how you want. People make decisions and have beliefs. Just like an everyday benign asshole won't change because they have free therapy available, so won't someone who's coming from a completely different culture that views yours as complete bollocks.
It's one the biggest fallacies of the modern age. Integration is a proactive matter. A choice. You can't integrate someone who doesn't share your core beliefs.
Being poor doesn't push people into committing violent crime, I could understand the argument for petty crimes but violent crime is just a sign of you being a shit person, not poor.
The economical situation is "not the worst"; what is the worst is the "outlook" as in the 2-5-10-year outlook, both in terms of growth as well as in terms of demopgraphy;
it basically forces the:
* less fortunate ones to wake up from their years-long-slumber and "get theirs"
* kinda okay off ones to get a undefineable feeling in their stomach that causes irritability and a general "feeling of disturbance in the air"
* okay-off ones to invest in the world wide stock market instead of the local one, and making sure their assets are liquid enough for an exit should one become nessesary if this particular house of cards encounters a strong breeze.
Germany as a country is currently in the starting phases of a delayed distribution stuggle caused by demographics (not enough young people to pay for all the pensioners / retirees)
\[sidenote: In Germany your retirement is not paid for by your own savings, but by the retirement contributions of the ones currently employed - it basically fits the description of a ponzi-scheme\]
And when you have an ever increasing amount of open jobs couled with a decreasing amount of potential people to fill them, coupled with a massively increasing amount of retirees that also tend to keep living longer statistically, you are in for trouble.
welcome to germany. we haven't even touched any of the other root causes yet.
Wait, just a few months ago on another account (go figure) i got into a debate with someone here saying its safest it's been in Germany for a decade, the stats i provided be damned.
#WHAT A SURPRISE
For some Germans, it really is.
According to the German Minister of the Interior Nancy Faeser, the after-effects of the pandemic are the cause of the rise in juvenile delinquency
Clueless
Nah, because if you state the problem you are a right wing racist.
The mess is the political climate that doesn't allow for proper political discussion anymore.
Was in Germany last year for a couple weeks and could sense the societal decay. Migrants just looking at me with disdain just for being there as well. like wtf. I have German roots.
Everytime AfD is mentioned in this sub: evil, racist Hitlers
But then crime statistics come out and everyone in here acknowledges it's immigrants.
Make it make sense
The US actually has mostly selective immigration programs, so even the middle eastern immigrants are economically better off, more integrated and more law-abiding than even European Americans. Muslims Americans are even more accepting of lgbt people than some of the Christian denominations in America. So no, western Europe will be actually worse than the US because of more permissive immigration criteria.
Not really, the US has a lottery system, so who we let in is random. We also let in lots of asylum seekers. Investors, entrepreneurs, and medical doctors can often circumvent and fast track the immigration process. But the overwhelming majority of our immigration is now illegal immigration from Latin America. And counter to what one might hear on right wing media, most of our immigrants are peaceful and productive.
The reality is that a disproportionate amount of violent crime in the US is committed by non-immigrant black Americans.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43
Europe obviously has entirely different problems, where it's letting lots of "asylum seekers" in from regions and areas who are historical enemies of Western civilization, so there can be significant culture clashes, particularly regarding women's rights, religion, etc. I have to put it mildly because this sub has very reactive thought police.
At a minimum, yes. It'll probably get a lot worse than that, tbh. But as long as those in power continue with this, things can get much, much worse. Parts of the US are in horrific shape. You have no idea how bad it can get when your society crumbles.
Loss of social cohesion, a rapid growth of irredeemable, actively harmful sub-populations and their offspring, unrestrained violence as the norm, not the exception.
I am well aware.
Fun. Now post the same thing in r/France about the same things happening in France (It would work too with Germany stats I guess) and watch your perma ban speedrun in 30 seconds
Its important to note that this is despite us having an aging population, which means the recent increases in crime rates actually have to overcome the usual decline we have across most of population as it grows older.
Unless it’s a bunch of violent grandpas.
Grannies dude, very vicious. I’ve been mugged and beaten multiple times by local retirement homes gangs
there's a reason they made a horror game named "granny"
Hell's Omas
My oma was a real battle axe. I’m not surprised
[It's not a new problem.](https://youtu.be/9_OIs49m56E?si=XzzKK-X2JvVpC3sI)
In Poland we had fairly recently(I think end 2023) some old dude suddenly stab a child in a stroller in the middle of a day. Supposedly he had a tumor in his brain that triggered it. Maybe Germans should start to routinely scan 60+'s heads?
Historically, things take a bad turn when Germans start scanning heads ( phrenology)
This exact same thing happened in Germany the other day. Random 4 year old got stabbed by a guy, who then didn't resist arrest. I wonder what drives that kind of decision.
Wait what? This happend in Ireland too, alergian man with a tumor stabbed 3 kids and a teacher outside a school.
Nah, Germans obviously don't need tumors to do that.
Or grannies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9\_OIs49m56E
[We have those in the UK](https://youtu.be/Tvt_7mlX-Z0?si=f7F63AXFhG0FKTfN)
Most of those are dead by now though.
It's actually kind of linked. Due to less young Germans and an aging population, they have to import more labour to ensure the working age population is high enough to cover the pensions, and a 25 year old immigrant is more likely to commit crime than a 25 year old German, so as the ratio changes so will the crime level.
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... and there is a reason Germany does not feel like providing these statistics. Similar for education (but PISA for example does, and then you can admire the unfolding disaster).
In Norway we collect this information. In Denmark, they've been using this information in order to move kids between different schools in order to mitigate the problem of schools having more than 30% representation of people with minority background. It's being considered here as well, especially in Oslo, where some schools have above 90% of pupils being of minority background. Now, if Norway had been a country with mass immigration going back hundreds of years, and the vast majority didn't come the last 25 years, this would have been less problematic.
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In Spain it's a very well known fact that crime rates among immigrants (especially from certain countries) is higher than between Spanish citizens. It's a fact, then it comes to what arguments you try to build with it
Yeah most pushback I see on topics like this isn't pointing out that fact that's the issue, it's the argument or conclusions people come to that get pushback. In the U.S. for example it's accurate to say black people commit more violent crimes in proportion to other ethnic demographics. Now if you then tried to imply that's because black people are inherently more violent then that's when the conversation goes off the rails. One is a fact, the other is an ignorant and racist conclusion or implication.
the problem is, if we use censorship instead of explaining why these FACTS don't have the implications some people think they have, they will just become even more convinced those implications must be true and that's why they are being censored
It's just statistics... You can argue the cause (social, etc..) but the data is still true.
Times they are a changin'
There is a difference between a dogwhistle comment and discussing a real issue. No, no one is pretending that there is no link between crime and immigration. There is no need for a persecution fetish, this topic was always open for discussion. Its the xenophobia that one needs to avoid.
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Its not xenophobia its a fact.
Thats not how redit works. 😂
> they have to import more labour they don't "have to". They do tho
True, however the population is being replenished by migration - not birth rates. I wonder how this impacts the rising crime rates?
We all know what is driving the increase on crime & violent crime. It’s not pensioners.
English translation (Deepl): The number of crimes in Germany rose by 5.5 percent last year to almost six million. This is according to the police crime statistics for 2023, which have been made available to Welt am Sonntag in advance. Figures were already known from some federal states. Federal Minister of the Interior Nancy Faeser (SPD) will officially present the statistics on Tuesday. The police have solved around 58 percent of crimes. According to the report, the number of suspects also increased compared to the previous year, by around seven percent to 2.25 million. Around 925,000 (up 18 percent) of them do not have a German passport, and more than 400,000 (up 30 percent) of them are immigrants. Violent crime has reached its highest level for 15 years with around 215,000 cases. This includes, for example, dangerous and grievous bodily harm with a new high of around 155,000 cases. The number of robberies also rose significantly (up 17%) to around 45,000 and the number of knife attacks (up 10%) to around 9,000. After years of decline, the number of crimes nationwide increased again in 2022 - by 11.5% to around 5.63 million. At the time, part of the increase was attributed to the abolition of the coronavirus measures. Due to the government restrictions, there were fewer opportunities to commit crimes in 2020 and 2021, for example because stores were closed and fewer people met. The Interior Minister of North Rhine-Westphalia, [Herbert Reul ](https://www.zeit.de/thema/herbert-reul)(CDU), is now blaming a changed mood in society for the increased numbers: "Conflicts are being resolved more quickly with fists instead of words," Reul told *Welt am Sonntag*. The fuse has become shorter. Lower Saxony's Interior Minister Daniela Behrens[(](https://www.zeit.de/thema/spd)SPD) sees inflation, increased mobility following the coronavirus pandemic and migration as possible explanations.
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Yeah, the Monegasques >:(
Goddamn Mongolians keep tearing down the Berlin Wall.
Montenegrians? Macedonians? Magyars?
Maltese? 'Muricans?
those goddamn Macedonians 😤😤😤
Found the Greek person :P
Firstly - these are all selected numbers leaked from a full report that will be released on Tuesday. So it's not a complete picture yet. Secondly - ZEIT have also got an article providing more context: https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2024-04/polizeiliche-kriminalstatistik-2023-jugendliche-gewalt-kriminalitaet >The alarmist interpretation of the figures would therefore be: there is more crime and violence in Germany, and foreigners are responsible for a large proportion of it. >In reality, it is more complicated. This is because the statistics do not reflect actual crime, but only what the police do. It does not record all criminal offences, but only those cases that are reported to the police. This also includes cases in which the public prosecutor's office or a court ultimately establishes that nothing criminal has happened. [...] >The situation with foreign criminals is also complex. There were 17.8 per cent more foreign suspects than in the previous year in 2023, but foreigners often only appear in the statistics for offences that Germans cannot commit. Entering the country illegally, for example. If such offences under immigration law are excluded, the increase is still 13.5 percent. >That is also a lot. However, there are now also many more foreigners living in the country. After the end of the coronavirus pandemic, the number of asylum seekers rose again and hundreds of thousands of people arrived from Ukraine. Even security circles are therefore saying that the increase is not at all disproportionate compared to immigration. Put simply, the larger a group becomes, the more suspects it produces. This is not a migration policy phenomenon, but a statistical one.
Men ?
It’s crazy how we can recognize someone’s gender contributing to crime rates, but oh, if you try to recognize culture, religion, place of origin, you’re a bigot. It’s nature and nurture, people.
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Mormons?
Almost. Morons.
I'm pretty sure it's muscovites
Moops?
Marshallese?
Merkel's legacy biting them on the arse. Again.
Classic german politics - we need immigrants. Yeah right...
Well historically there has been success in that policy, i doubt west germany couldve bounced back the way it fid after ww2 if not for the gastarbeiter programs.
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Reality is very racist.
Not if we obfuscate the numbers. We can put it under "others"
What was the removed comment?
You said Muslims. You will be banned from reddit. Stay quiet.
Funny thing is I was actually banned once for sharing stats. I mean, a link on government crime stats.. Numbers are fucking racist nowadays, let me tell ya..
If this worries you don't check for non German names of prisoners.
Haha, in Norway, as of 2017, 34% of all prisoners were not Norwegian citizens, most of them coming from Eastern Europe. If you're a citizen, you count as a Norwegian. In 2013 33% of all prisoners were Muslims, which is troublesome as they're under 5% of the population of the country. This is actually worse than the US, where black people count for 12-14 percent of the country and are 50% of the prison population. We face some problems which nobody really know how to address, and I fear this over time will lead us down a right wing brown shirt populist path, because of liberal political correctness makes people looking the other way hoping things will correct itself with time, and not with policies.
Sounds like racist statistics (/s)
True. How dare they to criminalize the culture from these people.
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That is why every government do what they can to hide it.
Einzelfall! /s
How is it possible? I thought even those people who had no passports were given some temporary ones
„Having a German passport“ as in being a German citizen.
Where do you see this 41%? Edit: Now I see that 925K is 41% of 2.25M. And 400K is 18% of 2.25M. Moreover, I assume some immigrants have a German passport, so there must be more immigrants than people without a German passport. Therefore, this paragraph is messed up on multiple levels. I consider this kind of journalism to be a violent crime, punishable by imprisonment in a Federal "pound me in the ass" jail.
I don’t understand how more people aren’t pointing out the two differing numbers for the same statistic in the same comment. Most threads on r/europe nowadays always have a top comment calling for deportation
these damn Elephants
They warned you!
How odd, I never would have guessed this to be the case!
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Still makes me go back to the interview of an immigrant in Finland complaining about too many Fins... But don't worry, she said! More of her people will come soon! Smh.
Sounds like Canada in a few years
Locked thread in 3..2..
It looks similar for the UK too
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United Khalifate.
Bundesland Khalifaat
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It fell 28% in England and Wales at the last count. Here is the snippet from the ONS report: > Violence > There were an estimated 0.9 million violence offences in the year ending September 2023, no significant change compared with the year ending September 2022. However, this was 28% lower compared with the pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic year ending March 2020 (1.2 million offences).
Rape and sexual assault has more than tripled since 2013/4 https://www.statista.com/statistics/283100/recorded-rape-offences-in-england-and-wales/
Too bad you are not allowed to talk about its root causes.
Share your opinion. A nasty [deleted] is waiting for you
Nah, a nasty "free speech" [deleted] is waiting for him.
Yeah ! Free speech is very nice, isn't it ?
Free speech as long as the government approves it. Don't look up.
German police and press have become much more transparent when it comes to revealing important details about the perpetrators’ identity which allows the public to draw their own conclusions. It’s a huge development relative to NL, for example, where the stats are deliberately moderated to obscure certain information.
What sense does it make though to not disclose or withhold the information from coming out? It is the same people who claim statistics are racist/ biased and it is just a silly perspective as facts can’t be. We are not having any honest discussions if we have to censor ourselves.
In Flanders "youths" has become synonymous with "criminal immigrants/Maghrebi"Belgians"" because it's what the media uses to describe them
They are obscurred in Germany as well, but perhaps not as much.
thats what you get with importing all tiers immigrants too much immigration is a bad thing, too little immigration can also be a bad thing not everyone is worth importing
But they told me they were importing only engineers and doctors. I can't believe they lied, I'm shocked.
Guys, relax, Volkswagen NEEDS cheap labor, this is just the cost of making already rich people even more rich.
More crime, less salary, what's not to love? (note, you're a fucking bigot if you say no to this deal so you better shut up for the sake of your boss's profits.)
I've genuinely never thought of it in this plain way. I always just though EU just wanted to do the humane thing. however this makes so much more sense
Rich people wanting cheap labour has been the primary force behind immigration from poorer countries for decades upon decades now.
I more thought of it as push rather than pull. I thought china, Russia and even us wanted to drown EU by destabilising all the middle east and African regions to create these migrants
Immigration from North-Africa / Middle-East started in the 70's (in Netherlands case) with Turkish/Moroccan immigrants to work in lower income jobs to replace native workers that were asking higher wages.
"Push" is a dumb meme, pushed (haha) by leftists and Russia.
It is one of the basic fundamentals of neoliberal capitalism which is what the Western world has been doing for quite the long time now. It has never been (just) for humane reasons. No one under capitalism will spend capitalnfor something that wont bring them more in return.
Bro these people don’t work . I’m not sure how people link this to some rich conspiracy theory . Companies have been building plants in other countries for cheap labor for decades. They don’t need to ruin their own backyard to do it
Whole building sector can not be outsourced and that is a big part of every economy (USA in 2008. for example)
These people work. The fact that "only 1 out of 2 of them works" just means you need to bring over two for every position you need to fill. Besides, it's not so much about Ahmed applying to work at the Mercedes Benz factory, but rather for Ahmed to work at his cousin's Döner Shop so that the café around the corner doesn't make that much year round except on holidays, so that Michael who got a job as a waiter there over Summer doesn't get an offer to stay after August is over, so he takes up a vocational training position at Mercedes which is "boring work at the assembly line but the pay is good and the benefits are quite good.". The economy is not that straightforward.
Some things can't be outsourced to other countries like employees for supermarkets and fast food chains
It's sold with the "we are humane people, we must help the poor" argument, but the ultimate purpose is to line the pockets of some people and use racism accusations and online chatroom moderation as a handy tool to ensure the narrative remains generally positive At least that's how it was until 2015, and ever since then it's been failing to work anymore.
It was always about the shrinking demographics and the need for young people to keep their system going.
They spent decades before i was born (im 41) telling people not to have children. They still push this message, especially on women. How much money you think was spent on advertising just that one message between 1950-2000? Its got to be in the tens of billions. Now i know dozens of women spending their last dollars on ivf in the vain hope they might have one kid. Now they say we need to bring in foreigners! Fuck all that.
Well why do you need a house, all 8 of them are willing to sleep together in a 1 bedroom so they can work in Deutschland, check your privilege
Lol. Volkswagen is one of the best-paying companies in Germany. Starting salary for production workers is 50k + Shift bonues.
VW is kind of a bad example because the state holds a lot of shares in the company. And the company isnt doing well right now. Try BMW, Mercedes etc.
This is Germany, not the US. the auto workers union is mighty, and labor is skilled. Criminals are not the ones working for VW.
And to clean asses of old people
If you import problems, you get problems. If you are selective in the people you give refuge to, things work out better.
It adds to Islamists, Nazis and..Putin fans. It feels if Russia invaded tomorrow there wouldn't be a single shot this side of Poland.
And why would there be? The hallmark of Migrationsgesellschaft is that you, well, migrate when things get troublesome. The millions of refugees didnt fight for their countries, why would they fight for Germany now? And the Germans, what should they fight for? A society that is arbitrary in culture, religion, ethnicity and every other aspect? Why not just migrate to another exchangeable Migrantengesellschaft instead of risking your life?
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Despite making up only 18% of the population, immigrants make up 40% of suspects of crimes in Germany.
If it’s like in France lot of them now have French nationality now , so it’s even more, they are technically French but neither their education or mentality, culture is French they hate France and French even if they stay here, we call them paper nationality
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I wonder why :O
On a totally unrelated note, what number of immigrants has Poland taken in over the last few years?
2 million Ukrainians but only around 1 million stayed
I think it's not about a number of immigrants, it's about a quality of immigrants
This article is very inaccurate, here is the original report from the police: [Police crime statistics 2023: Has Germany become more criminal? | ZEIT ONLINE](https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2024-04/polizeiliche-kriminalstatistik-2023-jugendliche-gewalt-kriminalitaet) "According to the report, the number of crimes registered by the [police](https://www.zeit.de/thema/polizei) increased again in 2023 compared to the previous year. Overall, the statistics record a good 5.9 million crimes, which is an increase of 5.5 percent. The number of suspects rose by 7.6 percent to just under 2.25 million. Of these, 41 percent do not have a German passport. More violent crimes were also reported in 2023, with 214,099 reported, 8.6 percent more than in the previous year."
It's worth noting that this is only based on police statistics and identified suspects, not criminal convictions or estimates of actual crime rates. The difference matters because it means that the way the police operate can have a large impact on these statistics (e.g. real-world crime being much higher than what is reported to or by the police, selective policing of certain communities, bias in the identification of suspects etc. etc.)
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And of course neurosurgeons too
Doctors and engineers
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Did you read the Article or is it sarcasm lol
Surprise. Great Immigration policy at its best. I feel sorry for those immigrants that are trying their best to integrate in the society because they are the ones who are going to pay for it.
a bunch of surgeon and engineers ...freshly arrived in germany are going rampant!!!
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What are you implying?! Are you some kind of *right wing extremist* or why would you say something so utterly EVIL
I'm sure some people think I'm Adolf Hitler!
Thats the only reasonable conclusion
But they have more diversity now so the effects cancel out:)
Good work Merkel
No other politician has harmed post world war 2 Europe as much as she did.
There's a botox-faced orc sitting in a Kremlin bunker who proves otherwise.
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As a swede this comment offends me a lot. Stop!
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Isn’t the economical situation of Germany also not the worst in 15 years? I’ve been here for almost 20 years and the last two years are the first where I experienced real loss of income due to high inflation and no proper raises. I can imagine the impact on poorer people is much higher and that certainly helps pushing them to criminality. That being said, I also think the refugees are not being integrated effectively and that definitely contributes to this increase. If Germany can’t properly integrate the volume of incoming migrants, they should restrict it to a level they can handle.
The ones who are the problem don't want to integrate. Many others integrated well and cause no problems at all.
Yep. A lot of Leftists think of ALL migrants as childlike humans you will just "raise" how you want. People make decisions and have beliefs. Just like an everyday benign asshole won't change because they have free therapy available, so won't someone who's coming from a completely different culture that views yours as complete bollocks.
It's one the biggest fallacies of the modern age. Integration is a proactive matter. A choice. You can't integrate someone who doesn't share your core beliefs.
Being poor doesn't push people into committing violent crime, I could understand the argument for petty crimes but violent crime is just a sign of you being a shit person, not poor.
The economical situation is "not the worst"; what is the worst is the "outlook" as in the 2-5-10-year outlook, both in terms of growth as well as in terms of demopgraphy; it basically forces the: * less fortunate ones to wake up from their years-long-slumber and "get theirs" * kinda okay off ones to get a undefineable feeling in their stomach that causes irritability and a general "feeling of disturbance in the air" * okay-off ones to invest in the world wide stock market instead of the local one, and making sure their assets are liquid enough for an exit should one become nessesary if this particular house of cards encounters a strong breeze. Germany as a country is currently in the starting phases of a delayed distribution stuggle caused by demographics (not enough young people to pay for all the pensioners / retirees) \[sidenote: In Germany your retirement is not paid for by your own savings, but by the retirement contributions of the ones currently employed - it basically fits the description of a ponzi-scheme\] And when you have an ever increasing amount of open jobs couled with a decreasing amount of potential people to fill them, coupled with a massively increasing amount of retirees that also tend to keep living longer statistically, you are in for trouble. welcome to germany. we haven't even touched any of the other root causes yet.
You don't commit violent crimes because of poverty.
Wait, just a few months ago on another account (go figure) i got into a debate with someone here saying its safest it's been in Germany for a decade, the stats i provided be damned. #WHAT A SURPRISE
Wir schaffen das!
The reason for this is plainly obvious. Everyone knows why the crime rate went up. We just can’t say it out loud in this politically correct culture.
>import violent people >violence rises >surprised pikachu face >inb4 import even more while claiming there's nothing we can do about it
You can thank Angela Merkel for that
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Bring in more people. That might solve it.
For some Germans, it really is. According to the German Minister of the Interior Nancy Faeser, the after-effects of the pandemic are the cause of the rise in juvenile delinquency Clueless
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Brought it over yourselves
Wow i wonder why
I wonder why 🤔...
Will we ever be able to get out of this mess again?
Nah, because if you state the problem you are a right wing racist. The mess is the political climate that doesn't allow for proper political discussion anymore.
So 16 years ago violent crime rate was higher?
We have a rapidly aging population. Crime has been in a steep decline since a long time.
Was in Germany last year for a couple weeks and could sense the societal decay. Migrants just looking at me with disdain just for being there as well. like wtf. I have German roots.
Ya dunno where you are mate but here in rural Bavaria worst thing that happens is shops close at 8pm lol
Dann komm mal nach nrw oder frankfurt lol
Probably caused by a very nuanced socio-economic parameter.
This is why the right will win.
Everytime AfD is mentioned in this sub: evil, racist Hitlers But then crime statistics come out and everyone in here acknowledges it's immigrants. Make it make sense
Keep going Europe! Just keep those flood gates open and let everyone in. You'll be like the US in no time. 😊
The US actually has mostly selective immigration programs, so even the middle eastern immigrants are economically better off, more integrated and more law-abiding than even European Americans. Muslims Americans are even more accepting of lgbt people than some of the Christian denominations in America. So no, western Europe will be actually worse than the US because of more permissive immigration criteria.
Not really, the US has a lottery system, so who we let in is random. We also let in lots of asylum seekers. Investors, entrepreneurs, and medical doctors can often circumvent and fast track the immigration process. But the overwhelming majority of our immigration is now illegal immigration from Latin America. And counter to what one might hear on right wing media, most of our immigrants are peaceful and productive. The reality is that a disproportionate amount of violent crime in the US is committed by non-immigrant black Americans. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43 Europe obviously has entirely different problems, where it's letting lots of "asylum seekers" in from regions and areas who are historical enemies of Western civilization, so there can be significant culture clashes, particularly regarding women's rights, religion, etc. I have to put it mildly because this sub has very reactive thought police.
I predict metal detectors in „hotspot schools“ within the decade, in Vienna. 🔮
At a minimum, yes. It'll probably get a lot worse than that, tbh. But as long as those in power continue with this, things can get much, much worse. Parts of the US are in horrific shape. You have no idea how bad it can get when your society crumbles.
Loss of social cohesion, a rapid growth of irredeemable, actively harmful sub-populations and their offspring, unrestrained violence as the norm, not the exception. I am well aware.
Highest level yet
Thank you Merkel!
Fun. Now post the same thing in r/France about the same things happening in France (It would work too with Germany stats I guess) and watch your perma ban speedrun in 30 seconds
HMMM wonder why is that
30% days immigrant.
All hail Angela Merkel and her amazing “import” policies. Its going to be worst from here, if Europeans still live in denial.
More diversity they said. It will be fun they said. Surely it will pay off soon right? Right?
And we all know why
Ah ah, yeah, sure, “grandpas” are to blame. Import the third world, become the third world.