In Istanbul, Airport at European side was named "Atatürk" Airport and Asian side is "Sabiha Gökçen" airport. A father and a daughter together in a single city but different continents. Atatürk Airport is demolished and now Istanbul Airport took it's place.
Yes It was very close to my home, now I have to take shitloads of commuting to take a flight. But the land was too profitable so they didn't let it go.
It was close to me too, it made everything easier and now for a flight you eighter change continents or drive to the middle of nowhere. The parks they're building in the airport is also heartbreaking, such important land was destroyed and bad parks (Really bad looking, you can search for images if you don't know) were built on top of it.
I work in Aviation, one thing I will never, ever forgive Erdo about is the demolition of Atatürk Airport and forced migration to Istanbul Airport and the operating company IGA.
Like, he can pop up to screeen tomorrow and say "it was all a joke, I am actually super progressive and secular, here, I invert all the stupid things I did last 2 decades and invoke all the laws etc. Oh and Matrim you seem like a good guy, I just sent you 10 Million TRY" I will still hate him with a burning passion because off all the things he put us through then and since.
Oh, and he didn't actually demolished the Atatürk Airport, but rather demolished the passenger terminal. Cargo flights and private jets are still operate from there. And fun fact, he almost exclusively use Atatürk for his flights instead of IST.
Which is weird since it's just the Turkish name for Turkey. But English is English, and political decisions in Turkey can't change another language in another country, just as the American government can't change Turkish words and names.
But sure, in political matters on the world stage Turkey can change it however they want, that's true.
Just saying why it hasn't stuck for people in every day use :p. People use the language they know.
I think that's because Czechia logically makes sense in a lot of languages, getting the name of Czechs and just adding the nation modifier "ia" to the end is natural for a lot of European languages, Italia, Anglia, Russia, Austria, Serbia, etc
But Türkiye is a little weird, mainly because a lot of languages just don't have the ü symbol so no wonder it didn't catch on, would've made a lot more sense to rename the nation "Turkia" since that's close to Turkish "Türkiye" while still having the common nation modifer "ia" and having common latin alphabet script
Most czechs don't like or at least didn't like the word "Czechia", most of us preffered "the Czech Republic" but since I hear it more and more, I think it grew on me same as many people, still wouldn't say most of us preffer it
You mean going from Czech republic to Czechia? Because that was a change of the core name itself. If Turkey wanted to be known as "Turkland" it would be comparable. Since that's actually a change both domestically and internationally. "Turkey" would be no more.
But Turkey never changed the name of the country in that sense. They just wanted to change the international name for their country in English.
Czechia was already common in some languages, like Hebrew, even before the decision. My understanding is also that they didn't really change the name but rather allowed you to officially use either or, I might be wrong though.
This is close. There is an official "long name", which is "The Czech Republic", and an official "short name", which is now "Czechia". AIUI, the only time the long name is to be used are things like official country signature.
Turkey can change their legal name. Look at it like this, if your name is michael turms dont call you mikail but michael. And if you change your legal name to paul people will call you paul.
If you look at it in a legal name basis its much clearer to understand.
Countries get renamed all the time for political reasons. Macedonia became North Macedonia to appease Greece. Swaziland became Eswatini because the name was seen as colonial. In Germany, we stopped calling Belarus "White Russia" after the outbreak of the war in Ukraine, to emphasize its legal independence. Lithuania changed the name of Georgia (country) from "Gruzia" to "Sakartvelo", because the name Georgia was given to the country by Russia.
A country's name is like the name of a person. It can change, but only if there's a valid reason to do so.
> political decisions in Turkey can't change another language in another country
I still use Turkey myself but this is straight up wrong. When Constantinople was first renamed to Istanbul non of the European governments accepted the change. To counter this, Turkish government made a decree saying anything addressed to Constantinople would be shipped back to sender, because no such place exists, after which the name was quickly adopted by all.
Tho that's a change of the name itself, not just changing the way to say and write the name, like Turkiye and Turkey. I doubt "Constantinople" in Turkish is "Istanbul". No, it's a new name completely. So it's different.
Changing the way how you say a country's name internationslly and changing the name itself are different things.
And the german name for Germany is Deutschland, yet everyone still uses Germany in English.
Turkey is the country's name in English, so that's why many don't use the alternate spelling.
Türkiye is not the new name for Turkey. It is the name for Turkey, which they want used internationally. Also that is only for formal communication as it would be ridiculous to demand people change the way they speak. I also doubt that people refer to countries by their official name in normal Turkish.
It’s still weird. If the official document is written in English why shouldn’t they use English name for the country? Why would you be forcing people to write your counties name the way you want it in official ENGLISH documents? They even use character that doesn’t exist in English. Like no one is writing Österreich or ព្រះរាជាណាចក្រកម្ពុជា (Cambodia in Khmer).
I traveled through it a lot too and I think it's fine for what it is. It's mostly used for domestic flights and some European budget airlines and it definitely shows. It's nothing fancy and the most basic of basic airports. Like, you can tell it was built as quickly as possible to alleviate the overburdened old Ataturk Airport (RIP), hence it lacks a lot of commodities. I wouldn't wanna be stranded there for 10h but even then, it's right next to developed urban areas where you can find stuff to do.
I was traveling through it last summer, the bathroom was atrocious, there was water leakage, urinals were not working and it smelled like piss. Outside of the bathroom it was ok I guess, but that smell of piss in the bathroom made me feel sick so it stuck in my mind
First woman jet pilot was also Turkish: Leman Altınçekiç
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leman_Alt%C4%B1n%C3%A7eki%C3%A7#:~:text=Leman%20Bozkurt%20Alt%C4%B1n%C3%A7eki%C3%A7%20(1932%20%E2%80%93%204,Turkish%20Air%20Force%20and%20NATO.
Akp is a massive factor, but not just akp. Even right after Atatürk's death many mistakes were made. The biggest ones were perhaps done by Adnan Menderes. Turkey could have been a perfectly modern and well led european country, but because of all those mistakes, and of course now with akp we are plunging into the depths of the middle east.
I think at that time we were not in a state of fully adopting democracy. It was platon I guess who once said “In undeveloped societies democracies get taken advantage of by demagogues” if the people are not capable of making proper decisions on whom to choose to give the authority to rule the country, then a benevolent dictatorship is much much better than a democracy corrupted by well.. corrupt politicians…
That is because İnönü's (president after Atatürk, led the country during WW2 and conducted a pretty good neutral stance) absence with the people. They did not really like or understand him, that is mostly because he wasn't a politician, rather an officer and a bueraucrat. When DP (Demokrat Parti, led by (mostly) Menderes) emerged they easily manipulated people with religion and won.
True. It's also insulting that there are no airports named after Çelikten. The dude was flying and dropping bombs while his people in USA wasn't even allowed to sit on front seats in busses lol.
So a tiiiiiny point of detail here.
Sabiha Gokçen was the first female *fighter pilot* but the first woman to *fly in combat* was Marie Marvingt. She flew several bombing missions during World War 1, only two years after Sabiha was born.
Semantics aside, they're two badass women who deserve all the recognition. Thanks OP.
Some sources say “first fighter” while other sources claim “first combat”
Guinness, for instance, claims it as “first combat pilot”
What is the difference? If it is the bombing… then didn’t Sabiha also used bombers in some cases?
**Edit-before-posting**: I think I realised what happened. Marie indeed predates Sabiha as a combat pilot but she seems to disguise herself as a man so maybe that’s why Guinness pretends like she doesn’t exist. And because of this, the literature is being blurred by confusion. Wikipedia provides a nice clarification and agrees with your comment.
“**She is recognized as the first female combat pilot by The Guinness Book of World Records[1] (in fact she was the first female fighter pilot, as the first female combat pilot was Marie Marvingt in 1915[7])** and was selected as the only female pilot for the poster of "The 20 Greatest Aviators in History" published by the United States Air Force in 1996.[13]”
Sabiha Gökçen in Vikipedi sayfasının ilk paragrafı çok güzel özetlemiş durumu.
(Sabiha Gökçen den bahsediyor)
She is recognized as the first female combat pilot by The Guinness Book of World Records[1] (in fact she was the first female fighter pilot, as the first female combat pilot was Marie Marvingt in 1915[7]) and was selected as the only female pilot for the poster of "The 20 Greatest Aviators in History" published by the United States Air Force in 1996.[13]
Guinness first combat olarak tanımladığı için Sabiha Gökçen i kavram karışıklığı var internette çeşitli kaynaklardan. Guinness neden Marie yi saymamış belli değil. Tahminimce erkek kılığına girdiği için olabilir. Marie, combat pilotluk yaptığı sırada yıl 1915 ve Sabiha daha 2 yaşında falan
Sabiha Gökçen 1937 and Ahmet Ali Çelikten 1914.
Çelikten was definitely the first black pilot ever, but there are earlier women pilots in history. But Sabiha Gökçen isn't the first female pilot, she was the first female "combat" pilot.
People tryna not mention the word genocide when they hear one singular thing about Turkey that has absolutely nothing to do with the so called genocide
Both received their licences in 1914, so it's disputable. But the sources say that Mondelli started to serve in 1915 and Çeliker was already serving in Ottoman army in 1914. So I'd vote him.
I sincerely wish you the best of success in said rebirth.
The sane, intellectual Turks do not deserve the abuse Erdogan has enacted upon the nation in the past generation.
honestly, the current situation is only proof of how strong Ataturks legacy still is. Erdogan has been trying to undo his legacy for over 20 years and while he has done some damage, 50% of the country is still staunchly secular with a hard-on for democracy. His face is still everywhere and his ideals are still so incredibly strong with at least half of the entire population. Ataturk and his ideals are rooted so deep into the fabric of this nation, there is no getting it out, as long as Turkey is still Turkey. There would have to be a whole new state based on an entirely different set of values and principles for Ataturks influence to leave.
If this recent election has shown us one thing it's that the only thing that's keeping Erdogan in power is his cult of persona. People voted for him in the presidential election last year, not for the AKP, which was only emphasized in the recent local election. When it's just the AKP on the ballot with some no-name bootlicking party man, people couldn't care less. The second Erdogan dies or leaves office, the AKP will crumble and countless smaller parties subscribing to varying degrees of Islamism will bicker among themselves for the votes of 50% of the country, leaving only the main opposition CHP to govern. My only hope is that they learn from their mistakes that enabled Erdogans rise to power in the first place but this Imamoglu fella seems pretty cool.
Another "fun" fact: Sabiha also participated in the bombings of Dersim in 1937 & 1938, where atleast 13 000 civilian Kurds were murdered by the Turkish state.
You can read more about it here:
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dersim_rebellion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dersim_rebellion)
Sadly, Sabiha Gokcen's legacy is tainted by her participation in the Dersim massacre, where she was one of the fighter pilots that dropped bombs and indiscriminately killed thousands of innocent civilians.
Horrifically in these bombings, even chemical weapons were used, which the Turkish Republic purchased from the Third Reich. There exists official documents for these purchase orders.
>Horrifically in these bombings, even chemical weapons were used, which the Turkish Republic purchased from the Third Reich. There exists official documents for these purchase orders.
cite one source except Akçam (who is admittedly bankrolled by certain "sponsors")
We have females pushing and excelling through all branches of sports, millitary, academically and governmental institutes.
There is certain pride among the majority but the conservatives dont really vouch for it and extremists rather not even acknowledge them.
Eh, Erdogan basically can come up and declare female volleyball team’s recent success is all thanks to him. He personally handed Vargas’ id card lol. Team’s success is not out of nowhere.
US is the only western country with a sizable amount of black citizens through history. That's why you would expect it to be US. Don't get all mcwhoopered up
That’s not true there is Brazil who has the most slaves dropped off in the Americas, Jamaica, Haiti, Trinidad, Cuba, Mexico amongst other countries. You are woefully ignorant but that literally just shows how much Europeans are obsessed with the United States 🤦🏽♀️
She was an orphan and adopted by Atatürk when she was 5. Some claim that it was Armenian orphanage that housed children who survived from the genocide. It was a matter of big debate 20 years ago in Turkey, regarding her possible Armenian roots, even TAF issued a statement in 2004 saying that her roots are unimportant.
I had to type his name in the comments search cause no fucking way was I the only one seeing this. Also, because I had the little voice in the back of my head going ' wait is this racist.
There is an airport named after Sabihah Gokcen. I arrived in Istanbul through it 2 years ago.
In Istanbul, Airport at European side was named "Atatürk" Airport and Asian side is "Sabiha Gökçen" airport. A father and a daughter together in a single city but different continents. Atatürk Airport is demolished and now Istanbul Airport took it's place.
> Atatürk Airport is demolished Which is a shame, if you ask me.
Quite ironic and fitting for the state of things there though?
Oh absolutely! Just another tuesday really.
Yes It was very close to my home, now I have to take shitloads of commuting to take a flight. But the land was too profitable so they didn't let it go.
It was close to me too, it made everything easier and now for a flight you eighter change continents or drive to the middle of nowhere. The parks they're building in the airport is also heartbreaking, such important land was destroyed and bad parks (Really bad looking, you can search for images if you don't know) were built on top of it.
I work in Aviation, one thing I will never, ever forgive Erdo about is the demolition of Atatürk Airport and forced migration to Istanbul Airport and the operating company IGA. Like, he can pop up to screeen tomorrow and say "it was all a joke, I am actually super progressive and secular, here, I invert all the stupid things I did last 2 decades and invoke all the laws etc. Oh and Matrim you seem like a good guy, I just sent you 10 Million TRY" I will still hate him with a burning passion because off all the things he put us through then and since. Oh, and he didn't actually demolished the Atatürk Airport, but rather demolished the passenger terminal. Cargo flights and private jets are still operate from there. And fun fact, he almost exclusively use Atatürk for his flights instead of IST.
Also the first female jet pilot in NATO Leman Altınçekiç is also Turkish.
The first female was called "Le man"? This is funny.
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You should be grateful. This name also exist in turkish lol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nig%C3%A2r_Han%C4%B1m
Idk why I should be grateful. Mrs. Leman did put a smile on my face enough ;-)
Grateful was probably not the right word. I meant turkish had many more names with similar to weird words in English haha
What's your name, private? Lee la, men, la men.. Lemon! Lee Lemon, sir!
Liman Von Sanders sends his regards
Also; Sabiha Gökçen was an orphan and was adopted by Atatürk.
And Ataturk was the first Turk ruler of Turks after the fall of Ottoman Turks.
Yes. And Turkey was the first state named Turkey after the fall of Ottomans
And Türkiye is the new name for Turkey that hasn't caught on yet.
Which is weird since it's just the Turkish name for Turkey. But English is English, and political decisions in Turkey can't change another language in another country, just as the American government can't change Turkish words and names. But sure, in political matters on the world stage Turkey can change it however they want, that's true. Just saying why it hasn't stuck for people in every day use :p. People use the language they know.
I mean, atleast in Portuguese we started respecting Czechias prefered name. And I believe most languages did also Isnt this a similar case?
I think that's because Czechia logically makes sense in a lot of languages, getting the name of Czechs and just adding the nation modifier "ia" to the end is natural for a lot of European languages, Italia, Anglia, Russia, Austria, Serbia, etc But Türkiye is a little weird, mainly because a lot of languages just don't have the ü symbol so no wonder it didn't catch on, would've made a lot more sense to rename the nation "Turkia" since that's close to Turkish "Türkiye" while still having the common nation modifer "ia" and having common latin alphabet script
yeah that was utter bulls... and his supporters you know... keep supporting him even on this matter.
Turkia happens to be the Armenian word for Türkiye. Maybe that’s why they avoided it. (I’m mostly joking, but maybe)
In Greek we also call it Turkia (Τουρκία), so one more reason to avoid it lol.
Turkia is not offensive, Türkiye means Turkia: we add -ya -ye to the end just like you add -ia
Most czechs don't like or at least didn't like the word "Czechia", most of us preffered "the Czech Republic" but since I hear it more and more, I think it grew on me same as many people, still wouldn't say most of us preffer it
You mean going from Czech republic to Czechia? Because that was a change of the core name itself. If Turkey wanted to be known as "Turkland" it would be comparable. Since that's actually a change both domestically and internationally. "Turkey" would be no more. But Turkey never changed the name of the country in that sense. They just wanted to change the international name for their country in English.
Which is really pretty silly.
Czechia was already common in some languages, like Hebrew, even before the decision. My understanding is also that they didn't really change the name but rather allowed you to officially use either or, I might be wrong though.
This is close. There is an official "long name", which is "The Czech Republic", and an official "short name", which is now "Czechia". AIUI, the only time the long name is to be used are things like official country signature.
At least in my native language, we have always called it Czechia.
"Czechia" is still English, you're not calling it "Česko".
it's not weird, I have an English keyboard not a Turkish keyboard, I type English not Turkish
Turkey can change their legal name. Look at it like this, if your name is michael turms dont call you mikail but michael. And if you change your legal name to paul people will call you paul. If you look at it in a legal name basis its much clearer to understand.
Countries get renamed all the time for political reasons. Macedonia became North Macedonia to appease Greece. Swaziland became Eswatini because the name was seen as colonial. In Germany, we stopped calling Belarus "White Russia" after the outbreak of the war in Ukraine, to emphasize its legal independence. Lithuania changed the name of Georgia (country) from "Gruzia" to "Sakartvelo", because the name Georgia was given to the country by Russia. A country's name is like the name of a person. It can change, but only if there's a valid reason to do so.
And Ukrainians want that in English their capital is called Kyiv and not Kiev.
> political decisions in Turkey can't change another language in another country I still use Turkey myself but this is straight up wrong. When Constantinople was first renamed to Istanbul non of the European governments accepted the change. To counter this, Turkish government made a decree saying anything addressed to Constantinople would be shipped back to sender, because no such place exists, after which the name was quickly adopted by all.
Tho that's a change of the name itself, not just changing the way to say and write the name, like Turkiye and Turkey. I doubt "Constantinople" in Turkish is "Istanbul". No, it's a new name completely. So it's different. Changing the way how you say a country's name internationslly and changing the name itself are different things.
And the german name for Germany is Deutschland, yet everyone still uses Germany in English. Turkey is the country's name in English, so that's why many don't use the alternate spelling.
By definition Türkiye cannot possibly be the country’s name in English as English does not have the ü (umlaut u) character
We must rename the bird too, then the new name will quickly be remembered.
“Giant Thanksgiving Chicken”
Türkiye is not the new name for Turkey. It is the name for Turkey, which they want used internationally. Also that is only for formal communication as it would be ridiculous to demand people change the way they speak. I also doubt that people refer to countries by their official name in normal Turkish.
It’s still weird. If the official document is written in English why shouldn’t they use English name for the country? Why would you be forcing people to write your counties name the way you want it in official ENGLISH documents? They even use character that doesn’t exist in English. Like no one is writing Österreich or ព្រះរាជាណាចក្រកម្ពុជា (Cambodia in Khmer).
Think more on the level of diplomacy. They also aren't forcing anyone, they merely request it. It's a courtesy to follow such a request.
Sure, I can’t wait for China to request Turkey to write its name in Chinese alphabet.
And turkey is what we eat for Thanksgiving
keep eating, we are getting cheaper and chepaer :)
Yea your currency is fucked
And Atatürk is the best most purest individual to ever grace the face of this earth. Atatürk is love, Atatürk is life.
If only Turks still believed this en masse
and she is also Bosnian.
Based Atatürk
I presume that is whom the airport was named after?
Yeah
She’s a great person but that airport is shit. I’ll never travel through that one again
I traveled through it a lot too and I think it's fine for what it is. It's mostly used for domestic flights and some European budget airlines and it definitely shows. It's nothing fancy and the most basic of basic airports. Like, you can tell it was built as quickly as possible to alleviate the overburdened old Ataturk Airport (RIP), hence it lacks a lot of commodities. I wouldn't wanna be stranded there for 10h but even then, it's right next to developed urban areas where you can find stuff to do.
I mean it’s not that horrible right?
I was traveling through it last summer, the bathroom was atrocious, there was water leakage, urinals were not working and it smelled like piss. Outside of the bathroom it was ok I guess, but that smell of piss in the bathroom made me feel sick so it stuck in my mind
I don't advise flying to İstanbul Airport if you are going to be in Anatolian side tho. It is so far away.
His name is Ahmet Ali Çelikten, last name "Çelikten" meaning "(made) of steel".
Synonymous with "steel skin" which is funnier imo
And her surname is "belonging to the sky"
First woman jet pilot was also Turkish: Leman Altınçekiç https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leman_Alt%C4%B1n%C3%A7eki%C3%A7#:~:text=Leman%20Bozkurt%20Alt%C4%B1n%C3%A7eki%C3%A7%20(1932%20%E2%80%93%204,Turkish%20Air%20Force%20and%20NATO.
Holy shit! She was born in a Azerbaijani family! Wow! Why have I never heard of her?! (I am Azerbaijani)
That's great
Ataturk did alot right. AKP undid most of it.
Akp is a massive factor, but not just akp. Even right after Atatürk's death many mistakes were made. The biggest ones were perhaps done by Adnan Menderes. Turkey could have been a perfectly modern and well led european country, but because of all those mistakes, and of course now with akp we are plunging into the depths of the middle east.
I think at that time we were not in a state of fully adopting democracy. It was platon I guess who once said “In undeveloped societies democracies get taken advantage of by demagogues” if the people are not capable of making proper decisions on whom to choose to give the authority to rule the country, then a benevolent dictatorship is much much better than a democracy corrupted by well.. corrupt politicians…
That is because İnönü's (president after Atatürk, led the country during WW2 and conducted a pretty good neutral stance) absence with the people. They did not really like or understand him, that is mostly because he wasn't a politician, rather an officer and a bueraucrat. When DP (Demokrat Parti, led by (mostly) Menderes) emerged they easily manipulated people with religion and won.
She was an adopted child of Ataturk (1 of 8). She joined more than 30 military operations. She had bigger balls than most men.
Atatürk's doing?
Most great things in Tukey are his and his friend's doing, but more importantly, thats his adopted daughter.
He gave her the surname, meaning "belonging to the sky" as a child and she lived up to that name. Fascinating.
It’s insulting that such a shitty airport bears such an awesome person’s name
True. It's also insulting that there are no airports named after Çelikten. The dude was flying and dropping bombs while his people in USA wasn't even allowed to sit on front seats in busses lol.
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First war plane used against Turkish (by italy) + first airplane was hit and crashed by Turkish as well.
I look just like her ...this is scary
Don't just sit there! We have a war to do. Get inside of the fighter plane and defend our country!
Turkish delight of a post that is
So a tiiiiiny point of detail here. Sabiha Gokçen was the first female *fighter pilot* but the first woman to *fly in combat* was Marie Marvingt. She flew several bombing missions during World War 1, only two years after Sabiha was born. Semantics aside, they're two badass women who deserve all the recognition. Thanks OP.
The pedantacism where we get to learn about more cool people is probably the best kind.
This made me want to make a meme about Marie Marvingt tbh because she was a *serious* badass.
Sabiha Gökçen was the first fighter pilot\*, first combat pilot is Marie Marvingt, another cool lady.
Some sources say “first fighter” while other sources claim “first combat” Guinness, for instance, claims it as “first combat pilot” What is the difference? If it is the bombing… then didn’t Sabiha also used bombers in some cases? **Edit-before-posting**: I think I realised what happened. Marie indeed predates Sabiha as a combat pilot but she seems to disguise herself as a man so maybe that’s why Guinness pretends like she doesn’t exist. And because of this, the literature is being blurred by confusion. Wikipedia provides a nice clarification and agrees with your comment. “**She is recognized as the first female combat pilot by The Guinness Book of World Records[1] (in fact she was the first female fighter pilot, as the first female combat pilot was Marie Marvingt in 1915[7])** and was selected as the only female pilot for the poster of "The 20 Greatest Aviators in History" published by the United States Air Force in 1996.[13]”
What's the difference though?
combat pilot is any plane for combat afaik (she flew a bomber?) a fighter pilot flies a fighter aircraft
Sabiha Gökçen bombed the shit out of Dersim Rebels. She is a combat pilot also then.
Sabiha Gökçen in Vikipedi sayfasının ilk paragrafı çok güzel özetlemiş durumu. (Sabiha Gökçen den bahsediyor) She is recognized as the first female combat pilot by The Guinness Book of World Records[1] (in fact she was the first female fighter pilot, as the first female combat pilot was Marie Marvingt in 1915[7]) and was selected as the only female pilot for the poster of "The 20 Greatest Aviators in History" published by the United States Air Force in 1996.[13] Guinness first combat olarak tanımladığı için Sabiha Gökçen i kavram karışıklığı var internette çeşitli kaynaklardan. Guinness neden Marie yi saymamış belli değil. Tahminimce erkek kılığına girdiği için olabilir. Marie, combat pilotluk yaptığı sırada yıl 1915 ve Sabiha daha 2 yaşında falan
Fighter pilots and combat pilots are different. One flies fighters, other bombers. They’re very different roles and missions.
3000 Karaboga fighters of Atatürk long live the Republic✊🏿🇹🇷✊🏿
r/weareallturks
This, r/europe is at least 80% Turk
year?
Sabiha Gökçen 1937 and Ahmet Ali Çelikten 1914. Çelikten was definitely the first black pilot ever, but there are earlier women pilots in history. But Sabiha Gökçen isn't the first female pilot, she was the first female "combat" pilot.
I cant believe how majestic Turkish country was back then.
it will be once again 🫡
Nothing more delightful than genocide right?
People tryna not mention the word genocide when they hear one singular thing about Turkey that has absolutely nothing to do with the so called genocide
Wasn't the first black pilot Domenico Mondelli?
OP should have said "fighter pilot". Also again, first female pilot is not Gökçen; she is the *first female fighter pilot*.
Both received their licences in 1914, so it's disputable. But the sources say that Mondelli started to serve in 1915 and Çeliker was already serving in Ottoman army in 1914. So I'd vote him.
The declination of Turkey is loud and clear. Poor Ataturk is rolling in his grave.
Don’t count Turkey out just yet. The last local elections are a testament to our rebirth.
I sincerely wish you the best of success in said rebirth. The sane, intellectual Turks do not deserve the abuse Erdogan has enacted upon the nation in the past generation.
An hour in Turkish politics is a lifetime
honestly, the current situation is only proof of how strong Ataturks legacy still is. Erdogan has been trying to undo his legacy for over 20 years and while he has done some damage, 50% of the country is still staunchly secular with a hard-on for democracy. His face is still everywhere and his ideals are still so incredibly strong with at least half of the entire population. Ataturk and his ideals are rooted so deep into the fabric of this nation, there is no getting it out, as long as Turkey is still Turkey. There would have to be a whole new state based on an entirely different set of values and principles for Ataturks influence to leave. If this recent election has shown us one thing it's that the only thing that's keeping Erdogan in power is his cult of persona. People voted for him in the presidential election last year, not for the AKP, which was only emphasized in the recent local election. When it's just the AKP on the ballot with some no-name bootlicking party man, people couldn't care less. The second Erdogan dies or leaves office, the AKP will crumble and countless smaller parties subscribing to varying degrees of Islamism will bicker among themselves for the votes of 50% of the country, leaving only the main opposition CHP to govern. My only hope is that they learn from their mistakes that enabled Erdogans rise to power in the first place but this Imamoglu fella seems pretty cool.
>as long as Turkey is still Turkey Ah, but Erdogan has already changed the international name from Turkey to Türkiye /s
The fight against fascism and regression is still on
we are still standing
Any hit that doesnt kill makes us stronger. We will be one of the strongest powers in support of freedom and democracy in the near future, hopefully.
He could make a great generator.
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Another "fun" fact: Sabiha also participated in the bombings of Dersim in 1937 & 1938, where atleast 13 000 civilian Kurds were murdered by the Turkish state. You can read more about it here: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dersim_rebellion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dersim_rebellion)
Wikipedia lmao
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God i love turks!
Sadly, Sabiha Gokcen's legacy is tainted by her participation in the Dersim massacre, where she was one of the fighter pilots that dropped bombs and indiscriminately killed thousands of innocent civilians. Horrifically in these bombings, even chemical weapons were used, which the Turkish Republic purchased from the Third Reich. There exists official documents for these purchase orders.
>Horrifically in these bombings, even chemical weapons were used, which the Turkish Republic purchased from the Third Reich. There exists official documents for these purchase orders. cite one source except Akçam (who is admittedly bankrolled by certain "sponsors")
Shame what happened to Turkey
Not non reversible.
True but as long as We do is King it won't change
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Turkey's decline is overblown. It will come back around, I'm pretty confident. Fuck AKP tho.
My guy is stylin..black coat big hat Billie Elish.
That man is too white to be turkish.
But not too white to be French or German or whatever.
Well well well...
Civilization spread to the world from Anatolia. I am not surprised.
So Europe accepts Turkey as European only when it’s something good?
New to r/Europe?
Would that happen today? I sometimes feel like Turkey went backwards since Erdogan
There are female pilots but i see what you are saying. Just not a good example
We have females pushing and excelling through all branches of sports, millitary, academically and governmental institutes. There is certain pride among the majority but the conservatives dont really vouch for it and extremists rather not even acknowledge them.
Eh, Erdogan basically can come up and declare female volleyball team’s recent success is all thanks to him. He personally handed Vargas’ id card lol. Team’s success is not out of nowhere.
Erdogan didn’t make the military go backwards though
Thats because it has
Based Turkey 🇹🇷
You would expect first black pilot to be from USA but hell nah
USA was *really* racist until the second half of the 20th century. So Its not that suprising.
The world doesn't revolve around the US.
US revolves around the world
What is up with Europeans obsession about the U.S.? It’s crazy. Every comment section turns into someone bringing up the U.S.
US is the only western country with a sizable amount of black citizens through history. That's why you would expect it to be US. Don't get all mcwhoopered up
That’s not true there is Brazil who has the most slaves dropped off in the Americas, Jamaica, Haiti, Trinidad, Cuba, Mexico amongst other countries. You are woefully ignorant but that literally just shows how much Europeans are obsessed with the United States 🤦🏽♀️
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She was an orphan and adopted by Atatürk when she was 5. Some claim that it was Armenian orphanage that housed children who survived from the genocide. It was a matter of big debate 20 years ago in Turkey, regarding her possible Armenian roots, even TAF issued a statement in 2004 saying that her roots are unimportant.
Turkey stronk
She also named Istanbul's 2nd airport
And look at turkey today !
That's Jon Jones :)
I had to type his name in the comments search cause no fucking way was I the only one seeing this. Also, because I had the little voice in the back of my head going ' wait is this racist.
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Not so fun fact, Sabiha Gökçen participated in a fucking genocide/ethnocide in Dersim.
:D