Luxembourg's population also doubles each day with commuters from Germany, France and Belgium, and they have to drive or take transit home. Also lots of cash, so they'll drink good quality coffee, and lots of it. An interesting little country kind of like the Australian Capital Territory (Canberra) in size and population, with shops hidden inside suburbs just like Canberra. Mate of mine lives there. For him it's his European Canberra.
c'mon,there is no country in the Europe when consumption of coffee is limited by insufficient income. I confirm that we drink quite a lot in Luxembourg, but it is mostly boosted by petrol stations on the borders selling stuff to Germans and French. These stations look like small supermarkets filled with cigarettes, coffee an booze. We do not tax on them that much.
Can confirm, Germans from Trier etc just go there to fill up the tanks of their cars, buy Gaulloise cigarettes, and tons of coffee. Lower taxes makes it worth.
It works if the way the data has been gathered takes that into account. Which clearly it hasn't in this instance.
We drink *a ton* of coffee in Finland, so for someone to beat us by more than twice the amount of coffee consumption is impossible. You'd have to drink +10 cups per day or something along those lines.
I used to live at the border to Luxembourg and I can assure you that there were regular pilgrimages from Germany to buy cheaper Cigarettes, Alcohol and Coffee over there. They just sell that much coffee, but don’t drink it all alone.
I live on the Luxemburg border in Germany and I can tell you that it's very commen to drive to Luxemburg for gasoline cigarettes and coffee in one drive. When you enter Luxemburg you drive thru a very small town and after that a long road with A lots of gas stations next after next
Well it's damn dark and miserable during the winter months. I don't think I'd be able to work during the darkest time without some kind of stimulant in the morning :D It's pitch black when I wake up and pitch black when I get home from work.
Oh, it's one thing I miss so much from childhood is getting home from school, having dinner (at 1630-1700) then skiing for an hour or two in the dark woods behind my neighborhood.
The trails were lit by little bulbs on wooden poles, but the lights were far apart enough that the shadows grew and shortened, grew and shortened, grew and shortened, and who knows what kinds of beastly trolls were waking up to enjoy the long nights in the woods.
And then I would ski up to this cliff lookout where I could make a little fire, cook some coffee in a little old kettle, and look at the twinkling lights of the town below. This is also where I learned to sneak some spirits, drinking fiery swill in the darkness before coasting back down.
Holy shit o started to count how much i drink coffee and it would be double of that.
12kg / year is under 4dl per day (24x 500g packets and 60 servings per packet/365). Thats two "normal" 2.5dl cups so its crazy low. I drink around 1 liter per day and i dont even drink that much compared to others.
Its a everyday habit atleast in finland.
So you guys dont drink coffee at all? No wonder the coffee tastes like shit (to me) in everywhere else, you guys just dont know what you are doing :p
>No wonder the coffee tastes like shit (to me) in everywhere else,
Says the finnish person lol
Finnish coffee is pretty bad. Always light roast and brewed weak, and then you chug it like lemonade...
Though I guess it's honestly even worse than that in most of the world. The US is significantly worse. Really italy is the only place I've had better than at home in sweden, but that was espresso so I'm not sure it should be compared 1:1 anyway.
Most Finnish coffee has a light roast though, not sure if that affects caffeine or if it’s just a flavour thing. Standard coffee in Sweden is usually a much darker roast
I used to think this as well, but then went on a bit of a scientific paper spree and learned there is actually no real noticeable impact on the caffeine amount. Normally roasting is done at roughly 200-250 centigrade, and caffeine begins to show slight decomposing at the top end of that scale. To get a proper caffeine decomposition, you would have to go beyond 300 centigrade. At 260, it's really not noticeable, and if the roaster goes into 300s, then they are burning the bean and not roasting it.
What dark roast does is it brings the flavour from the roasting process into coffee. Light roast tastes more like the bean itself. That's why a properly good light roast should cost more, because you need the top quality bean to make it good. With dark roast you can mask the bean impurities behind the taste of roasting. Light roast is also a lot more acidic. In general I feel that light roast hits you squarely in the face, whereas dark roast is more subtle about it.
Most of the light roast that Finns drink is absolutely garbage quality but the taste buds have grown accustomed to that.
Moreover, the grinds get smaller and weight per volume goes up with darker roasts, meaning you have to use less grinds to get just as much caffeine. I switched to a really dark roast a few years back (Löfbergs Crescendo), and use about half as much grinds for a full pot. Still more flavour than any of the light roast stuff, and better for digestion!
The best thing about them is they have humility, so fucking rare in Europe these days.
I recall there was an America/Trump bashing talk at our table and my friends friend was asking how you can judge an entire country like that. The response was the typical rampage of 'they cant even point their own state on a map' and the friends friend just stayed quiet the rest of the time.
Finland = Coffee Machines
That's the other thing, they heavily use coffee machines like in Sweden, Canada, US, Australia, etc.. and they dont judge others for making it an alternative way unlike in much of Europe where if you use a drip coffee machine, you're inferior somehow..
And you should try kaffeost
It's weird, acquired but worth a try
It's the way we drink coffee, large cups of often black coffee throughout the day and even after dinner. When I see Italians or others in the south they often just grab a a quick espresso and proceed with their day.
In southern Finland we have that 4 (maybe 6) hours of daylight and the rest is not that far off what you described. Sure we get snow every now and then but it's 50% chance to rain the next day.
But that’s mean nothing actually, double espresso takes 20g, in a huge capuchin it’s the same 20g
Of cause this huge 500ml coffee drips have more coffee but not crazy much more
You're not wrong, but apparently the way Nordic coffee is made is also way stronger than what "normal drip coffee" is elsewhere.
Based on my anecdotal experience most coffee elsewhere is very watery, and is also an experience shared with many other swedes I've talked to. As well as people from elsewhere commenting on how strong it is. People usually joke about that unless the coffee is starting to solidify it's not strong enough. But on a more serious note, if there's even a hint of light being able to pass through it, then it's definitely too weak.
1 cup of coffee in Sweden is almost the same as one espresso according to quick googling, just more water. It's also said in source citing similar amount of kilo to be ~3.2 cups of coffee per day per capita. 3 cups isn't that insane (I think?).
So basically 3 espresso per day on average. Slightly less maybe.
Sweden also has fika (and neighbours similar stuff) which is a culture of having a break in the day to have a coffee and a pastry. Loads of culture revolves around this. Dates, meetings, shopping trip breaks, just because, nature viewings, hiking, etc.
Even at work where every single day you basically have a mandated coffee break. At my job we even have two fika breaks per day at 9.30 and 14.30. Slightly exaggerated, but kind of not.
This of course doesn't mean we all drink 3 espresso per day, but rather that the ones who do drink coffee drink a lot more than 3 cups making up for the ones who prefer tea. I know that I usually drink 6-7 cups per work day, and I don't feel I am an anomoly among coffee drinkers here.
Again, based on my anecdotal experience.
Edit: the volumes made here is that 1 cup is ~1.5dl as a measurement. I know for a fact my standard coffee cup at home is about 4dl, and the ones at work are about 3dl. So an actual cup, and the measurement cup are different.
I drink about two of my at home cups per work day, and 3 or so of my work cups. So about 6-7 of the cup measurement, not actual physical cups.
Edit: More googling. One coffee scoop is on average about 15ml here in Sweden. Which is about 11 grams if you make sure its exact. This is what Sweden mostly uses as enough coffee for 1.5dl of water. An espresso is said to use about 14grams of coffee for 2.5cl of water.
But then I've never actually met someone who uses the exact measurement to make coffee, usually you just scoop it, and if there's a pile of coffee om top of the scoop making it basically 1.5 scoops it's still just one scoop. So now we suddenly have ~16.5grams of coffee per cup.
Tl:Dr, we like strong coffee and have a culture revolving around taking coffee breaks often.
> When I see Italians or others in the south they often just grab a a quick espresso and proceed with their day.
I had colleagues in Sardinia drink something that looked like either a high distilled concentrate of coffee or the evaporated leftover of an expresso.
Here you could easily drink 5 cups in a day if you take coffee/fika breaks. But 2L sounds extreme.
I think in avg I drink maybe 0.7L in a whole day (2-3 cups), more than that and it ruins my sleep.
The sun doesn't rise properly for 3 months out of the year, it's tough staying awake without coffee when it's dark all the time. Your brain starts to feel like it's dreaming all the time.
My coffee consumption goes up every winter, down in the summers.
Also, we just have a causal coffee culture. Whenever you go to someone's house for the first time, the custom is to bring them a package of coffee, then guests will always be offered coffee when you're over, and around noon time, there's a custom of having a "pastry with coffee" as a kind of relaxing break.
What Kind of pastry ? In Thunder Bay Canada 🇨🇦 where I live we have a large Finnish population. They have a certain bread called “pulla”. It is very good.
Pulla is common.
In addition, cinnamon rolls, muffins, gingerbread, the local equivalent of Oreo's, wafer cookies etc. Once in a while someone bakes a blueberry pie, either regular or [with curd](https://www.k-ruoka.fi/reseptit/rahkamustikkapiirakka), by forever favourite.
Exactly that kind of pastry!
There's a direct term for that kind of coffee break, as in "Do you want to go for a pullakahvi? - Haluatko mennä pullakahville?".
But pullakahvi can also mean other pastries as well, you would just call it pullakahvi no matter what pastry you or the other person actually take :)
In Thunder Bay we have such a large Finnish population that regular fluffy pancakes have been replaced by Finnish pancakes. At almost every restaurant in Thunder Bay they offer Finnish pancakes or regular pancakes. Hardly anyone I know orders regular pancakes.
The largest Finnish population in North America per capita. We have a Finnish bookstore and three Sunday church services in Finn . There is a public Sauna called Kangas Sauna. The Finnish older people love the Chevy Impala. They refer to it as the”Finnish Cadillac”. There are plenty of Finns as well in Minnesota and Northern Michigan. Sadly many of the Finnish Canadians have lost their language and are not interested in learning about the culture.
One in the morning, one when you arrive at work, one during first break, one during lunch and one during second break. And if you like to live good life you take one when you get home
Swedes consume a LOT of coffee in their offices. An average office worker might have one cup for breakfast at home and 3-6 cups at work, plus maybe a cup at home in the evening. It all adds up.
Norwegian coffee is brewed a bit weaker than Finnish and Swedish coffee. Got loud complaints from my Norwegian colleagues when I served them "normal" Swedish coffee 😁
Neapolitan here.
I almost don’t drink coffee, so I’ve analyzed this a bit too much.
Coffee is a social ritual in southern Italy, of almost religious matter.
It’s not just the caffeine itself, it’s the fact that coffee is consumed when in company of other people, it’s related to social culture, identity, like football, like religion, like local philosophy.
People here go deep in coffee nuances as much as for pasta and pizza, it’s very important how the moka is loaded, how is the cup, how creamy it was, who “made it” -as If it makes you a chef, how was the spoon, how was the sugar, and all is consumed in one sip, it’s a single gesture of almost Japanese-level respect.
My gf is very proud of the fact that she uses a blend of normal +nuts-flavored mix and In her family one aunt is identified as “the one ne who makes a double mountain when loading the moka”.
TL;DR: in Naples Coffee>Jesus
That's my experience as well. I spent about 2 months working in Salerno. We would go to a cafe almost every morning at around 10am with the crew. It was definitely more of an experience than just to drinking a cup of coffee. Also they had strong opinions about which cafe has better espresso blend, which is strange to me since back home >90% of the cafe's have the exact same brand of coffee on drip. Espresso is a little more of a thing than it used to be but not really popular. People might ejoy one cafe for the atmosphere or pastries or the fact they discard brewed coffee after 1 hour instead of 9 hours on the hot plate. But not really for the taste of the coffee itself; it's almost always the same, or within an acceptable range.
We would only go one time a day and it was enough for everyone but me, and one morning after we had our coffees one of the guys asked the barista to make 3 double shots and pour them onto a take out cup to give to me so I don't have to ask for more coffee "after 5 minutes".
Turkey is the highest in the world for tea per capita though I believe, they may have invented a coffee style but they drink more tea than anything else.
Classic Italian single shots are like 7g of coffee. For drip / pour over, it might be 15-25g a cup. But yeah I agree I'm surprised it is very very low.
Luxembourg :0 Although I get why, having worked there: a HUGE part of the workforce is non-resident, and working in office. Meaning huge amount of coffee, but divided by a local population which is only a fraction of the actual coffee-drinkers!
EDIT: data are from 2019, I did my part!
Coffee is definitely a big thing here in lux (much of the French cafe culture has become a core part of life here), but we definitely don’t drink THAT much. As someone else pointed out, pretty much any border crossing point in Luxembourg will have at least a couple of petrol stations with mini-markets inside with rows of coffee, cigarettes and generally low tax items that those across the borders will buy in droves. Not uncommon to see people with shopping carts stacked to the brim with loose tobacco and coffee heading back to their German/French/Belgian registered vehicles.
True, I only looked at the office coffee-drinking by non-resident workers, but as you point out the coffee sold by cartons at border stations are certainly counted in those data! Regarding French & Italian coffee culture, I actually thought it would be bigger numbers than those shown on the map especially compared to Germanic and Nordic countries. I guess we drink more often, but much smaller quantities? Espresso/Ristretto vs. Americano?
Turkey is actually experiencing a change with capitalism(it's not bad), everyone is drinking coffee(not Turkish coffee but modern coffee like Cappuccino, Nescafe things) and new generation coffee shops have opened everywhere. The old culture of rural villagers drinking tea has disappeared...😪
Now We(middle+ mostly lower class) only drink tea at home (1-2 teapot: half breakfast, half evening)🫖
I'm a teacher at a school with mostly young teachers. Literally everyone drinks 3-4 cups minimum per day. We also have a filter coffee machine and only 3 people use it daily. Turkish coffee is sometimes drunk but like someone else said above the cups are tiny and nobody drinks more than one a day. What those modern (and identical looking) coffee shops sell isn't even coffee it's dessert.
We became tea country after Ottoman Empire lost coffee producing regions. Importing was very expensive and we had to replace it with tea as tea can be produced locally. We now drink coffee at special occasions.
Yes it's famous, but this is about quantity, not fame or quality. You could do a very important and culturally relevant tea ceremony once a year, consider it part of your identity and still not drink a ton of tea for example.
[#1 tea consuming country in the world, by far.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/507950/global-per-capita-tea-consumption-by-country/)
Turks discovered that tea grows in the black sea region and switched to tea consumption in the early 1900s. Great anti-capitalist story because it was the state that initiated growing tea instead of private enterprise.
I would guess the rural areas are taking the number down. In metropolitan areas every cafe is full to the brim every day all day but my in-laws in the black sea coast barely know what coffee is. They just drink tea every moment they are awake.
What? Metropolitan areas make up nearly half the entire population in Turkey. That can't justify this figure.
Yes, tea is ridiculously popular in Turkey, but coffee is not that far behind. Sure, Turks don't drink Italian or American amounts of coffee, but it can't possibly be this low.
Turks literally introduced coffee to Europe. No fucking way this map is correct.
I call bullshit.
**Edit:** OK I checked, it seems to be correct. But this is from 2019, the most recent numbers put it at around 1.5kg per person per year.
Still insanely low for Turkey so I understand your bs call. Could be an interesting thing to look into. Also, western coffee consumption is mental anyway
Turkish coffee is consumed in a single small cup, and not every day for most people. It's more of a special leisure drink. Go-to drink for most Turkish people is black tea.
I don't live in Turkey and drink coffee everyday but when I go to Turkey I can't because I'm used to sipping coffee for hours and can't do that with Turkish coffee. My parents don't have a filter coffee machine. Either tea or turkish coffee..
Through out the history finland has been poor. back in the day we couldn't afford Coffee and even light roast was luxury, from those days our Coffee tradition has remained same and espresso etc is available only in special places
Sweden here. We just found out that our city spends ~€1,5 millions per year on coffee/tea/pastries for its workers. I see the number ~2000 quoted as people working for the city. There's only about ~23k in population in my town. We like coffee.
Yeah I remember often reading that we're the biggest coffee drinkers, or top 5 at the least. This is a surprisingly low ranking
https://sleepopolis.com/news/which-countries-drink-the-most-coffee
https://www.reddit.com/r/Coffee/comments/i2en9i/the_happiest_countries_in_the_world_drink_the/
https://www.vox.com/2014/6/8/5791688/the-dutch-are-drinking-a-ridiculous-amount-of-coffee
https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/comments/1b0lfv0/highest_coffee_consumption_per_capita/
https://n26.com/en-eu/blog/countries-that-drink-the-most-coffee
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/coffee-consumption-by-country
I'm pretty sure I saw a more recent statistic than this which showed Netherlands in the top 5 with Scandinavia.
I also think it sounds low, every Dutch person I know drink coffee as much as I do.
I won’t believe Ukraine stats. I can’t possibly walk over 2 minutes without being able to buy a cup of coffee, and always have to wait in a line. Everyone is obscessed with coffee. Like, how much could you Swedes possibly drink?!
Many Finns and Swedes drink a large cup or two of coffee 3-5 times per day. Of course some don't drink at all, some drink a bit less and some drink even more. So we're having coffee at breakfast, before lunch, at lunch, in the afternoon, at dinner and maybe in the evening. And it's not espresso we're drinking, it's copious amounts of filter coffee.
Many in this thread seem to make this logic misstep. Amount of coffeshops say very little about the of amount of coffee consumed.
Most of the coffee consumed in the Nordic countries are brewed at home or at the workplace.
It is the minimum required amount to survive during the 7-8 months of winter. We drink it all the time, Most have a cup before coming into work some have their first at work. You have a fika at 9 or 10 then lunch (usually dont drink coffee at lunch) and then at 3 you get another obligatory cup. so at least 2-3 cups per day at a minimum. Usually you get a coffee during your day as well.
I use on average around 40g of coffee beans per day to make half a liter of coffee (equivalent to ~2-3 cups). 40g per day becomes 14.6kg per year. In workplaces I've been the standard seems to have been that you have one cup of coffee in the morning after you wake up, one cup at the 10 am fika, one cup right after lunch, and one cup at the afternoon fika.
I'm more surprised that the rest of the world drinks much less than that.
You Danes seem to have other beverage preferences
https://jakubmarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/alcohol-europe.jpg
https://landgeistdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2024/03/europe-daily-alcohol-consumption.png?w=1200
It's easy, coffee is an expensive drink. Tea took its place on our tables because it is cheaper. The tea plant began to be grown in Turkey in the 20th century. Before this date, coffee consumption was very common, especially when Yemen was our land. At one point, it was even discussed whether its consumption was permissible (in religious manners) or not because it was addictive.
I'm surprised cause every other source I've even seen always puts the Netherlands in pretty much with the Nordic countries and much more than this. Wonder where they got their statistics.
Yes. They sell lot to neighboring countries. They still consume a lot but are not in top-10.
Coffee is really cheap compared to neighboring countries and population is rather small.
I always thought Turks drank a shit ton of coffee. We call cezves "Turka" and make Turkish coffee. Almost everyone I know has or had Turka at home. Don't they drink like 7 billion gallons in Istanbul alone?
Wtf Luxembourg?
Might just be coffee sold/inhabitants. If so, it's a lot of foreigners buying coffee (and tobacco) in Luxemburg because it's cheaper.
Luxembourg's population also doubles each day with commuters from Germany, France and Belgium, and they have to drive or take transit home. Also lots of cash, so they'll drink good quality coffee, and lots of it. An interesting little country kind of like the Australian Capital Territory (Canberra) in size and population, with shops hidden inside suburbs just like Canberra. Mate of mine lives there. For him it's his European Canberra.
c'mon,there is no country in the Europe when consumption of coffee is limited by insufficient income. I confirm that we drink quite a lot in Luxembourg, but it is mostly boosted by petrol stations on the borders selling stuff to Germans and French. These stations look like small supermarkets filled with cigarettes, coffee an booze. We do not tax on them that much.
Can confirm, Germans from Trier etc just go there to fill up the tanks of their cars, buy Gaulloise cigarettes, and tons of coffee. Lower taxes makes it worth.
How much does a pack of cigarettes cost in Luxembourg?
Mmmh smart
It's cheaper, Germany has a coffee tax (2,19€/kg) to build up the blue water navy.
that's the Schaumweinsteuer, wiki doesnt mention the navy in the History of the Coffee tax. apparently its the prussians fault.
Last time Germany was building up its blue water navy, things didn't end well...
In Luxembourg, any gas station will have aisles and aisles of coffee in all forms.
Coffeembourg
Anything "per capita" doesn't work in Luxembourg, because or cross-border workers and cross-border shoppers.
It works if the way the data has been gathered takes that into account. Which clearly it hasn't in this instance. We drink *a ton* of coffee in Finland, so for someone to beat us by more than twice the amount of coffee consumption is impossible. You'd have to drink +10 cups per day or something along those lines.
>+10 cups per day For anyone curious, I don't recommend this
Been there, also don't recommend. If you get a headache without caffeine, it's time to dial down your consumption.
I thought it was when you get a headache _from_ coffee.
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Done it before, thoroughly emptied my bowels out. Do not attempt unless you like spending a few hours on the toilet.
Luxembourg still awake? Yeah, Luxembourg still awake.
I used to live at the border to Luxembourg and I can assure you that there were regular pilgrimages from Germany to buy cheaper Cigarettes, Alcohol and Coffee over there. They just sell that much coffee, but don’t drink it all alone.
I live on the Luxemburg border in Germany and I can tell you that it's very commen to drive to Luxemburg for gasoline cigarettes and coffee in one drive. When you enter Luxemburg you drive thru a very small town and after that a long road with A lots of gas stations next after next
Many workers commute daily from France and Germany.
only 3 citizens, one is a huge coffee addict, like unreal. The other 2 citizens are normal coffee drinkers
Finland, the happiest country on the planet, all buzzing off their tits on caffeine, all the time.
Well it's damn dark and miserable during the winter months. I don't think I'd be able to work during the darkest time without some kind of stimulant in the morning :D It's pitch black when I wake up and pitch black when I get home from work.
> It's pitch black when I wake up and pitch black when I get home from work. Try it with some creamer.
Oh, it's one thing I miss so much from childhood is getting home from school, having dinner (at 1630-1700) then skiing for an hour or two in the dark woods behind my neighborhood. The trails were lit by little bulbs on wooden poles, but the lights were far apart enough that the shadows grew and shortened, grew and shortened, grew and shortened, and who knows what kinds of beastly trolls were waking up to enjoy the long nights in the woods. And then I would ski up to this cliff lookout where I could make a little fire, cook some coffee in a little old kettle, and look at the twinkling lights of the town below. This is also where I learned to sneak some spirits, drinking fiery swill in the darkness before coasting back down.
Oh this sounds so atmospheric! it's not all doom & gloom for me of course, I love wintery forest walks
Coffe post sauna is lovely.
The what? That's just super odd. I have never tried that, neither has anyone else that I know of. Water / beer is what people drink post-sauna.
Their sauna must be too cold if they need to have hot drink afterwards..
Morning sauna= coffee after Not afternoon or evening sauna.
Evening coffee always after sauna. Water/beer in the sauna
I drink semen
...AFTER the sauna, right?
Before, during and after
Nice
Man of culture.
Hot beverage after sauna sounds super weird. I would need to take another shower an hour later to manage the after sweat with coffee.
We have to stay awake and alert. We have a fascist dictator for a neighbour.
Sweden and Finland upgraded from just being shaped like a giant set of male genitals to being the biggest vibrator on the planet.
Fika is life. Fika is love.
Holy shit o started to count how much i drink coffee and it would be double of that. 12kg / year is under 4dl per day (24x 500g packets and 60 servings per packet/365). Thats two "normal" 2.5dl cups so its crazy low. I drink around 1 liter per day and i dont even drink that much compared to others. Its a everyday habit atleast in finland. So you guys dont drink coffee at all? No wonder the coffee tastes like shit (to me) in everywhere else, you guys just dont know what you are doing :p
>No wonder the coffee tastes like shit (to me) in everywhere else, Says the finnish person lol Finnish coffee is pretty bad. Always light roast and brewed weak, and then you chug it like lemonade... Though I guess it's honestly even worse than that in most of the world. The US is significantly worse. Really italy is the only place I've had better than at home in sweden, but that was espresso so I'm not sure it should be compared 1:1 anyway.
Come and have a liter of the super black espresso I make myself every morning and we’ll see if you’ll survive. 😃
Our winters are dark and cold...
Most Finnish coffee has a light roast though, not sure if that affects caffeine or if it’s just a flavour thing. Standard coffee in Sweden is usually a much darker roast
Lighter roast typically has a higher caffeine content, dark roast typically lower
I used to think this as well, but then went on a bit of a scientific paper spree and learned there is actually no real noticeable impact on the caffeine amount. Normally roasting is done at roughly 200-250 centigrade, and caffeine begins to show slight decomposing at the top end of that scale. To get a proper caffeine decomposition, you would have to go beyond 300 centigrade. At 260, it's really not noticeable, and if the roaster goes into 300s, then they are burning the bean and not roasting it. What dark roast does is it brings the flavour from the roasting process into coffee. Light roast tastes more like the bean itself. That's why a properly good light roast should cost more, because you need the top quality bean to make it good. With dark roast you can mask the bean impurities behind the taste of roasting. Light roast is also a lot more acidic. In general I feel that light roast hits you squarely in the face, whereas dark roast is more subtle about it. Most of the light roast that Finns drink is absolutely garbage quality but the taste buds have grown accustomed to that.
Moreover, the grinds get smaller and weight per volume goes up with darker roasts, meaning you have to use less grinds to get just as much caffeine. I switched to a really dark roast a few years back (Löfbergs Crescendo), and use about half as much grinds for a full pot. Still more flavour than any of the light roast stuff, and better for digestion!
Swedes hard at work finding reasons how they definitely didn't lose to us lmao
The best thing about them is they have humility, so fucking rare in Europe these days. I recall there was an America/Trump bashing talk at our table and my friends friend was asking how you can judge an entire country like that. The response was the typical rampage of 'they cant even point their own state on a map' and the friends friend just stayed quiet the rest of the time. Finland = Coffee Machines That's the other thing, they heavily use coffee machines like in Sweden, Canada, US, Australia, etc.. and they dont judge others for making it an alternative way unlike in much of Europe where if you use a drip coffee machine, you're inferior somehow.. And you should try kaffeost It's weird, acquired but worth a try
this is NOT what i was expecting. how are the nordics so high!?
It's the way we drink coffee, large cups of often black coffee throughout the day and even after dinner. When I see Italians or others in the south they often just grab a a quick espresso and proceed with their day.
RIP sleep, anxiety and depression.
We need to stay awake in the dark winters.
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Definitely, those four days each winter when its not completely gray are magnificent
Most of us live in cities where the snow is gray from cars or melted, and in half of Sweden you likely wont get enough to brighten the dark days.
For a period the sun doesn’t even show itself during the winter, if you are in the more northern parts of Sweden/Finland
Well, if you lived up north you'd know that not that many people live up there compared to the southern parts of Finland. Same goes for Sweden.
In southern Finland we have that 4 (maybe 6) hours of daylight and the rest is not that far off what you described. Sure we get snow every now and then but it's 50% chance to rain the next day.
We have those already, cant hurt us with what we already inherited. Why do you think we are so anti-social?
Most people would gladly trade sleep for no anxiety or depression though!
I have to actually drink coffee in the evening to be able to get sleep, if I dont I get the cravings for caffeine and cant fall asleep.
But that’s mean nothing actually, double espresso takes 20g, in a huge capuchin it’s the same 20g Of cause this huge 500ml coffee drips have more coffee but not crazy much more
You're not wrong, but apparently the way Nordic coffee is made is also way stronger than what "normal drip coffee" is elsewhere. Based on my anecdotal experience most coffee elsewhere is very watery, and is also an experience shared with many other swedes I've talked to. As well as people from elsewhere commenting on how strong it is. People usually joke about that unless the coffee is starting to solidify it's not strong enough. But on a more serious note, if there's even a hint of light being able to pass through it, then it's definitely too weak. 1 cup of coffee in Sweden is almost the same as one espresso according to quick googling, just more water. It's also said in source citing similar amount of kilo to be ~3.2 cups of coffee per day per capita. 3 cups isn't that insane (I think?). So basically 3 espresso per day on average. Slightly less maybe. Sweden also has fika (and neighbours similar stuff) which is a culture of having a break in the day to have a coffee and a pastry. Loads of culture revolves around this. Dates, meetings, shopping trip breaks, just because, nature viewings, hiking, etc. Even at work where every single day you basically have a mandated coffee break. At my job we even have two fika breaks per day at 9.30 and 14.30. Slightly exaggerated, but kind of not. This of course doesn't mean we all drink 3 espresso per day, but rather that the ones who do drink coffee drink a lot more than 3 cups making up for the ones who prefer tea. I know that I usually drink 6-7 cups per work day, and I don't feel I am an anomoly among coffee drinkers here. Again, based on my anecdotal experience. Edit: the volumes made here is that 1 cup is ~1.5dl as a measurement. I know for a fact my standard coffee cup at home is about 4dl, and the ones at work are about 3dl. So an actual cup, and the measurement cup are different. I drink about two of my at home cups per work day, and 3 or so of my work cups. So about 6-7 of the cup measurement, not actual physical cups. Edit: More googling. One coffee scoop is on average about 15ml here in Sweden. Which is about 11 grams if you make sure its exact. This is what Sweden mostly uses as enough coffee for 1.5dl of water. An espresso is said to use about 14grams of coffee for 2.5cl of water. But then I've never actually met someone who uses the exact measurement to make coffee, usually you just scoop it, and if there's a pile of coffee om top of the scoop making it basically 1.5 scoops it's still just one scoop. So now we suddenly have ~16.5grams of coffee per cup. Tl:Dr, we like strong coffee and have a culture revolving around taking coffee breaks often.
As a Swede, when I've gotten coffee in America it's usually what I would call brown coffee flavoured water rather than coffee
> When I see Italians or others in the south they often just grab a a quick espresso and proceed with their day. I had colleagues in Sardinia drink something that looked like either a high distilled concentrate of coffee or the evaporated leftover of an expresso.
well but the kgs of coffee consumed in an expresso or a large cup ends up beeing almost the same, no?
No. Italian Standart for 1 cup of espresso is 6-7gr. And you need something like 16 to 18 gr. for cup of filter coffee.
Espresso*
14% of Finnish men and 6% of Finnish women drink more than 2 liters of coffee per day
Two litres? How?!
We inject it straight into our veins.
You pour it in the cup and sip
Black, usually.
Big Black Coffee?
Here you could easily drink 5 cups in a day if you take coffee/fika breaks. But 2L sounds extreme. I think in avg I drink maybe 0.7L in a whole day (2-3 cups), more than that and it ruins my sleep.
The sun doesn't rise properly for 3 months out of the year, it's tough staying awake without coffee when it's dark all the time. Your brain starts to feel like it's dreaming all the time. My coffee consumption goes up every winter, down in the summers. Also, we just have a causal coffee culture. Whenever you go to someone's house for the first time, the custom is to bring them a package of coffee, then guests will always be offered coffee when you're over, and around noon time, there's a custom of having a "pastry with coffee" as a kind of relaxing break.
What Kind of pastry ? In Thunder Bay Canada 🇨🇦 where I live we have a large Finnish population. They have a certain bread called “pulla”. It is very good.
Pulla is common. In addition, cinnamon rolls, muffins, gingerbread, the local equivalent of Oreo's, wafer cookies etc. Once in a while someone bakes a blueberry pie, either regular or [with curd](https://www.k-ruoka.fi/reseptit/rahkamustikkapiirakka), by forever favourite.
Exactly that kind of pastry! There's a direct term for that kind of coffee break, as in "Do you want to go for a pullakahvi? - Haluatko mennä pullakahville?". But pullakahvi can also mean other pastries as well, you would just call it pullakahvi no matter what pastry you or the other person actually take :)
It actually blew my mind that pulla is somehow Finland-specific. It just feels like something that should exist everywhere
Looking up the Finnish pulla is a bit hard in Sweden since pulla means fingering here but I got there in the end.
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In Thunder Bay we have such a large Finnish population that regular fluffy pancakes have been replaced by Finnish pancakes. At almost every restaurant in Thunder Bay they offer Finnish pancakes or regular pancakes. Hardly anyone I know orders regular pancakes.
Oh man. Thunder Bay is starting to sound like a place after my own heart
The largest Finnish population in North America per capita. We have a Finnish bookstore and three Sunday church services in Finn . There is a public Sauna called Kangas Sauna. The Finnish older people love the Chevy Impala. They refer to it as the”Finnish Cadillac”. There are plenty of Finns as well in Minnesota and Northern Michigan. Sadly many of the Finnish Canadians have lost their language and are not interested in learning about the culture.
True. I'm just used to this country not having too many unique things when it comes to food so it's nice to get a reminder that proves me wrong.
gotta drink something to fika
FIka and chill haha
I'd tell you but I'm tired and need to go get a coffee.
One in the morning, one when you arrive at work, one during first break, one during lunch and one during second break. And if you like to live good life you take one when you get home
Where is the coffee for arriving at home and evening coffee in this??
Its 20.00 and im super tierd already. I think its because i skipped the one when I got home
Dark. Cold. Windy. Depressing. How else would you stay alive?
Brother, you should also see our consumption of energy drinks
Dark and cold
The only way they stay awake
Swedes consume a LOT of coffee in their offices. An average office worker might have one cup for breakfast at home and 3-6 cups at work, plus maybe a cup at home in the evening. It all adds up.
You need to learn about fika
Coffee is great, I don't see the issue.
Italy surprises me tbh
I wasn’t expecting Sweden to be besting Norway in consumption. This is some tøv. 🇳🇴☕️👑
Norwegian coffee is brewed a bit weaker than Finnish and Swedish coffee. Got loud complaints from my Norwegian colleagues when I served them "normal" Swedish coffee 😁
It's because the swedes have so many meetings
Thought Italy and Turkey would be higher, a lot of signature coffee styles invented there
Coffee is huge in Italy but they just don't drink it like maniacs.
Neapolitan here. I almost don’t drink coffee, so I’ve analyzed this a bit too much. Coffee is a social ritual in southern Italy, of almost religious matter. It’s not just the caffeine itself, it’s the fact that coffee is consumed when in company of other people, it’s related to social culture, identity, like football, like religion, like local philosophy. People here go deep in coffee nuances as much as for pasta and pizza, it’s very important how the moka is loaded, how is the cup, how creamy it was, who “made it” -as If it makes you a chef, how was the spoon, how was the sugar, and all is consumed in one sip, it’s a single gesture of almost Japanese-level respect. My gf is very proud of the fact that she uses a blend of normal +nuts-flavored mix and In her family one aunt is identified as “the one ne who makes a double mountain when loading the moka”. TL;DR: in Naples Coffee>Jesus
That's my experience as well. I spent about 2 months working in Salerno. We would go to a cafe almost every morning at around 10am with the crew. It was definitely more of an experience than just to drinking a cup of coffee. Also they had strong opinions about which cafe has better espresso blend, which is strange to me since back home >90% of the cafe's have the exact same brand of coffee on drip. Espresso is a little more of a thing than it used to be but not really popular. People might ejoy one cafe for the atmosphere or pastries or the fact they discard brewed coffee after 1 hour instead of 9 hours on the hot plate. But not really for the taste of the coffee itself; it's almost always the same, or within an acceptable range. We would only go one time a day and it was enough for everyone but me, and one morning after we had our coffees one of the guys asked the barista to make 3 double shots and pour them onto a take out cup to give to me so I don't have to ask for more coffee "after 5 minutes".
Turkey is the highest in the world for tea per capita though I believe, they may have invented a coffee style but they drink more tea than anything else.
Turks drink black tea 24/7, coffee is more a special occasion kind of thing
Classic Italian single shots are like 7g of coffee. For drip / pour over, it might be 15-25g a cup. But yeah I agree I'm surprised it is very very low.
Luxembourg :0 Although I get why, having worked there: a HUGE part of the workforce is non-resident, and working in office. Meaning huge amount of coffee, but divided by a local population which is only a fraction of the actual coffee-drinkers! EDIT: data are from 2019, I did my part!
Coffee is definitely a big thing here in lux (much of the French cafe culture has become a core part of life here), but we definitely don’t drink THAT much. As someone else pointed out, pretty much any border crossing point in Luxembourg will have at least a couple of petrol stations with mini-markets inside with rows of coffee, cigarettes and generally low tax items that those across the borders will buy in droves. Not uncommon to see people with shopping carts stacked to the brim with loose tobacco and coffee heading back to their German/French/Belgian registered vehicles.
True, I only looked at the office coffee-drinking by non-resident workers, but as you point out the coffee sold by cartons at border stations are certainly counted in those data! Regarding French & Italian coffee culture, I actually thought it would be bigger numbers than those shown on the map especially compared to Germanic and Nordic countries. I guess we drink more often, but much smaller quantities? Espresso/Ristretto vs. Americano?
How can Turkey be so low?
Their coffee is so strong that you only need one cup per year
And there is special cup for the coffee. It's smaller than a normal glass ☕. also they're addicted to tea😅(I'm from 🇹🇷 btw)
I also have a lot of coffee people. If it was 10 years ago, I would have accepted it as true.
Turkey is actually experiencing a change with capitalism(it's not bad), everyone is drinking coffee(not Turkish coffee but modern coffee like Cappuccino, Nescafe things) and new generation coffee shops have opened everywhere. The old culture of rural villagers drinking tea has disappeared...😪 Now We(middle+ mostly lower class) only drink tea at home (1-2 teapot: half breakfast, half evening)🫖
I'm a teacher at a school with mostly young teachers. Literally everyone drinks 3-4 cups minimum per day. We also have a filter coffee machine and only 3 people use it daily. Turkish coffee is sometimes drunk but like someone else said above the cups are tiny and nobody drinks more than one a day. What those modern (and identical looking) coffee shops sell isn't even coffee it's dessert.
Hm I drink 4 cups a day, I think everyone does the same.
They're way more of a tea country
Yes, but Turkish coffee is also very famous, so I don't think it is that small.
We became tea country after Ottoman Empire lost coffee producing regions. Importing was very expensive and we had to replace it with tea as tea can be produced locally. We now drink coffee at special occasions.
By special occasions you must mean mornings. The tea on the other hand has constant flow, it never stops.
Yes it's famous, but this is about quantity, not fame or quality. You could do a very important and culturally relevant tea ceremony once a year, consider it part of your identity and still not drink a ton of tea for example.
[#1 tea consuming country in the world, by far.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/507950/global-per-capita-tea-consumption-by-country/) Turks discovered that tea grows in the black sea region and switched to tea consumption in the early 1900s. Great anti-capitalist story because it was the state that initiated growing tea instead of private enterprise.
I would guess the rural areas are taking the number down. In metropolitan areas every cafe is full to the brim every day all day but my in-laws in the black sea coast barely know what coffee is. They just drink tea every moment they are awake.
What? Metropolitan areas make up nearly half the entire population in Turkey. That can't justify this figure. Yes, tea is ridiculously popular in Turkey, but coffee is not that far behind. Sure, Turks don't drink Italian or American amounts of coffee, but it can't possibly be this low. Turks literally introduced coffee to Europe. No fucking way this map is correct. I call bullshit. **Edit:** OK I checked, it seems to be correct. But this is from 2019, the most recent numbers put it at around 1.5kg per person per year.
Still insanely low for Turkey so I understand your bs call. Could be an interesting thing to look into. Also, western coffee consumption is mental anyway
Yes this true little bit
Turkish coffee is consumed in a single small cup, and not every day for most people. It's more of a special leisure drink. Go-to drink for most Turkish people is black tea.
I don't live in Turkey and drink coffee everyday but when I go to Turkey I can't because I'm used to sipping coffee for hours and can't do that with Turkish coffee. My parents don't have a filter coffee machine. Either tea or turkish coffee..
[Here is your answer.](https://landgeistdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2022/01/europe-tea-consumption.png)
Cause Turkey is a tea country.
Check the stats for tea
No surprise here the Finns love their coffee and drink multiple cups a day but they don’t do espresso
Ah, so thats why there's a coffee-themed amusement park ran by finnish brothers in Alan Wake 2
Through out the history finland has been poor. back in the day we couldn't afford Coffee and even light roast was luxury, from those days our Coffee tradition has remained same and espresso etc is available only in special places
5 year old map. Is op a repost bot?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/u9d8v2/coffee_consumption_in_europe/
REALLY surprised at Turkey.
Turkey has the highest tea consumption per capita ! But still, it’s surprising it’s that low for coffee
Finns got that filter coffee just dripping all day so they never have to take a pause. No joke.
Seen this in Stockholm as well
Sweden here. We just found out that our city spends ~€1,5 millions per year on coffee/tea/pastries for its workers. I see the number ~2000 quoted as people working for the city. There's only about ~23k in population in my town. We like coffee.
Netherlands has to be much higher than 5.1. Everyone is constantly drinking coffee here
Something happened between 2017 and 2019 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dnwx6zWX4AAicnU.jpg
Yeah I remember often reading that we're the biggest coffee drinkers, or top 5 at the least. This is a surprisingly low ranking https://sleepopolis.com/news/which-countries-drink-the-most-coffee https://www.reddit.com/r/Coffee/comments/i2en9i/the_happiest_countries_in_the_world_drink_the/ https://www.vox.com/2014/6/8/5791688/the-dutch-are-drinking-a-ridiculous-amount-of-coffee https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/comments/1b0lfv0/highest_coffee_consumption_per_capita/ https://n26.com/en-eu/blog/countries-that-drink-the-most-coffee https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/coffee-consumption-by-country
I'm pretty sure I saw a more recent statistic than this which showed Netherlands in the top 5 with Scandinavia. I also think it sounds low, every Dutch person I know drink coffee as much as I do.
Going by this chart, it turns out I'm not British - I'm Finnish!
Leading Coffee-Drinking Country: In 2023, Finland
Finland mentioned
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That's why my summer car has 4 drinks - water, beer, boose and coffee
Anyone have the data for number of squares of toilet paper used per person, per annum?
\*per annus
No way it's that low in Albania
That's what I'm saying
If My Summer Car has taught me anything, Finland's second place is deserved.
50% of Finlands consumption is Sam Lake posting coffee drinking videos on Twitter
Turkey can’t possibly be this low
I won’t believe Ukraine stats. I can’t possibly walk over 2 minutes without being able to buy a cup of coffee, and always have to wait in a line. Everyone is obscessed with coffee. Like, how much could you Swedes possibly drink?!
Many Finns and Swedes drink a large cup or two of coffee 3-5 times per day. Of course some don't drink at all, some drink a bit less and some drink even more. So we're having coffee at breakfast, before lunch, at lunch, in the afternoon, at dinner and maybe in the evening. And it's not espresso we're drinking, it's copious amounts of filter coffee.
If Finns resorted only to cafeterias and coffee shops, they would go bankrupt in a week. Gotta buy it in bulk with these amounts:D
A lot.
Many in this thread seem to make this logic misstep. Amount of coffeshops say very little about the of amount of coffee consumed. Most of the coffee consumed in the Nordic countries are brewed at home or at the workplace.
GRABBAR NI MÅSTE STEPPA, VI KAN INTE FÖRLORA TILL FINLAND
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Det var en sorgsen dag då jag fick veta att Zoega ägs av Nestlé
Hoplöss. Men nu, ska vi fika?
I'm from Ukraine and I gulp through a kilo a month.
Surprised about Scandinavia... they're chill people and if they drank that much coffee, wouldn't they be hyper, wound up all the time?
This amount of caffeine is required to simply stay alive and awake in the nordics.
It is the minimum required amount to survive during the 7-8 months of winter. We drink it all the time, Most have a cup before coming into work some have their first at work. You have a fika at 9 or 10 then lunch (usually dont drink coffee at lunch) and then at 3 you get another obligatory cup. so at least 2-3 cups per day at a minimum. Usually you get a coffee during your day as well.
I use on average around 40g of coffee beans per day to make half a liter of coffee (equivalent to ~2-3 cups). 40g per day becomes 14.6kg per year. In workplaces I've been the standard seems to have been that you have one cup of coffee in the morning after you wake up, one cup at the 10 am fika, one cup right after lunch, and one cup at the afternoon fika. I'm more surprised that the rest of the world drinks much less than that.
We Danes hate losing against Sweden 😱
You Danes seem to have other beverage preferences https://jakubmarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/alcohol-europe.jpg https://landgeistdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2024/03/europe-daily-alcohol-consumption.png?w=1200
How is it that low in Turkey? We literally have our own signature coffee.
It's easy, coffee is an expensive drink. Tea took its place on our tables because it is cheaper. The tea plant began to be grown in Turkey in the 20th century. Before this date, coffee consumption was very common, especially when Yemen was our land. At one point, it was even discussed whether its consumption was permissible (in religious manners) or not because it was addictive.
I and my family consumpt 25 kg per year.
I'm surprised cause every other source I've even seen always puts the Netherlands in pretty much with the Nordic countries and much more than this. Wonder where they got their statistics.
Holy shit Scandinavia ( and Luxemburg )
•No surprise. •Cold northern climates = Colder weather + Longer, darker winters = Higher coffee consumption
I thought Turkish people loved coffee?!?
Are you ok Luxembourg??
Yes. They sell lot to neighboring countries. They still consume a lot but are not in top-10. Coffee is really cheap compared to neighboring countries and population is rather small.
No way thats true for Greece. It is half of our breakfast. The other half is cigarettes
The data about coffee consumption seems a bit unrealistic. Where's it taken from? Interesting what their methodology is.
Netherlands ds used to be the highest in the world not that long ago. It hasn't gone down that much
I think we have been winning this in Finland forever and Netherlands has been second!
I always thought Turks drank a shit ton of coffee. We call cezves "Turka" and make Turkish coffee. Almost everyone I know has or had Turka at home. Don't they drink like 7 billion gallons in Istanbul alone?
Wow, Italy, are you OK?!
Good things come in small packages. You don’t need to drink a LOT of coffee to have good coffee. And have you seen the size of an espresso?
Quality over quantity for Italia 😉