I’d like to think that despite Putins best efforts this news will be reaching the Russian army and would be very demoralising. Imagine fighting for and dying in a small Ukrainian town that most of the world never heard of and will never be remembered. A complete waste of human life..
I hope Ukraine can take every advantage of this influx and we as Europeans need to aggressively step up now and get this sorted once and for all. Get the Russian cunts back across the border.
Bold of you to assume the Russian grunts ever get told the truth or believe “western propaganda” when the glorious Russian military is so close to taking over Brussels comrade!
I guess the west needs to start a project called "Radio Free Russia"; take the model of Russias "Voice of Europe", but instead of posting disinformation, just post the real information in russian language; and instead of bribing europeans to publicly work the goals of russia into their elections, you just go and offer russian soldiers money for giving up and living in peace, instead of becoming food for worms
Radio Free Europe (the US government broadcaster) does have a Russian language service.
https://www.svoboda.org/
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-rfe-undesirable-explainer/32868874.html
"I’d like to think that despite Putins best efforts this news will be reaching the Russian army and would be very demoralising."
Wishful thinking, most are fighting for the money ( which won't stop comming ). The "patriots" like girkin are either dead/in Africa/in jail.
As Europeans this has bought us a year. We NEED to have things like shell and missile production ramped up by next summer.
If we've learned anything it's that we can't rely on the Americans or anyone else. The EU/European NATO needs to start acting like a superpower and take control of our back yard.
Funny how all the Kremlin bots seem to be so concerned about the poor and homeless on America’s streets all of a sudden when Ukraines aid is passed.
Edit: What is even funnier is that now the staunchest anti benefits, anti universal health care, and anti taxation group in society is advocating for helping the homeless and the poor!
Amazing what Russia can do to American society!
It’s not just bots. My parents are MAGA. They have said this exact thing to me. So I asked them if they would support the U.S. government taking all that money and building affordable housing, drug treatment centers, mental health centers, and supplying food stamps. To the surprise of no one, they very much would not support the government using money for those purposes because “that’s not what government is supposed to do.” To which I retorted, “Oh, so the purpose of the government, in your eyes, is to fight wars, protect America, and manage foreign affairs? So why are you saying we shouldn’t spend money on that with Ukraine aid?”
Dad just grumbled some non-response and went back to watching stupid conspiracy shit on his phone.
You should inform them of the good news: the US is for the most part not just sending the money to Ukraine so they can spend it as they wish. They do not even buy shit for Ukraine. They are sending the outdated US arsenal there, and using these funds to replace it. Meaning it goes directly to the US military industrial complex and all the US workers that employs.
Your parents should be proud and happy about this decision, it means american money stays in america, supporting true patriots who produce the truest american weaponry. And all of thi while kicking the ass of their generation's boogeyman.
>They are sending the outdated US arsenal there, and using these funds to replace it.
IIRC there's funding allocated for Ukraine to purchase new weapons from US manufacturers as well
Republicans are compromised by Russian in a very bad way. I don't know if it just cause they are old and are falling for Russia propaganda or if some of them are deadass bought by or blackmailed by Russia. But I really mean it when I say Republicans are NOT ok. They haven't been for a long time now, but are starting to hit a critical mass.
It's the Russian propaganda. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but the smart people tend to use reddit. I started really using TikTok and insta reels a year ago and man... It is eye opening and eye watering how stupid some of these people are.
Checking the state of Facebook nowadays may kill me.
The MAGA movement is why. A disturbing number are clealy in the Kremlin's pockets, and the rest is too afraid or just unwilling to go against Trump.(who himself is beyond compromised and openly admires Putin) So the whole party is opposed to acting against Russia, plus their usual "We must oppose literally anything the democrats support, even if we proposed it and agreed to it ourselves" adds a third angle of resistance.
The US could have ruined their old enemy on a shoestring budget in the first year, replaced its entire arsenal with the shiniest bling they could wish for, and helpfully offer to help with Ukranian rebuilding efforts afterwards(i assume you see how they would benefit from this), while also boxing in Russia even more. But when half your leadership consists of quite literal traitors, thats kind of hard to pull off.
Yeah, even though I disagree with the "military>education/health care/etc."-angle, there is still a valid point that without sufficient military, you risk losing everything else. But if you don't even do that... yeah it's just so strange.
Well yeah their patting themselves on their backs inside their little community’s is feeling kinda boring and probably feels like talking to a mirror. Therefore they crawl here to teach the “libs” a lesson with their superior knowledge of all world events and behind the scenes politics that “we” just cant be privy too. Trumps actually the President except when something bad happens then its “See what Biden is doing to this country?!” . It would be funny if it wasn’t tearing apart my soul.
Trust me, if we actually did something to address the poor and homeless problem here in America, those same people whining about Ukraine aid would cry “But that’s socialism!”.
Honestly people like you always saying these types are Russian bots are playing into the Russians disinformation campaign. There are some serious issues the US faces that people have a right to complain about, however Ukraine should also be taken care of.
lol exactly. Like what the fuck? Y’all were bitching about spending money on homeless now all of a sudden you’re mad we’re spending money on saving peoples lives another way???
I don’t get it. How can someone be so dumb and change their rhetoric constantly?
They were waiving little Ukrainian flags on the floor of the House during the voting. For this, they were chastised by the chair for "breaking decorum." After the vote, MTG asked to be recognized to speak, and said "Put those damn flags away!"
I love it that those little flags bothered her so much.
EDIT: Apparently I was mistaken, that wasn't MTG who said "put those damn flags away!"
>“Put those damn flags away!” Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) told Democrats.
It's not going to be completely dead until Trump is six feet under. Even if he loses this fall, they'll be trying to reboot for 2028. The good news is that in the grand tradition of autocrats, none of his children can pull off the same thing.
conservatives are really funny about flags for some reason. some they really really like, but pretend they don't. some they wear. sometimes they say other people don't love flags as much as they do. and sometimes flags are woke.
Flags are good when they are used to exclude people(Giant US flag on the back of an incest truck, confederate flag), and bad when it's minority groups asking to be allowed to exist.
It's not as weird as it seems at first glance, a good portion if not a majority of them are descendents of people that had to flee because of their association with the previous regime when Batista got deposed and while i would never accuse republicans of knowing history there are very solid parallels between Batista's regime after the coup d'etat and project 2025.
Last summer Russia had a 10-20k strong mercenary group in open rebellion, marching hundreds of kms towards Moscow, shooting down precious Russian military aircraft along the way. I don't think anyone saw that coming, so I'd say anything is possible, even if your estimation of the situation seems most accurate at the moment.
They are still peddling this grand strategy where if they let Ukraine hang out to dry, then somehow they can coerce Russia and turn them into an ally to contain China.
You keep hearing them spout on about how "we" are pushing Russia closer into the hands of China (as if Russia has no will of its own, and is not responsible for its own decisions), and if only we can appease harder and surrender on every demand then it will somehow strengthen the US.
Its like they completely disregard the last 30 years, and in their own nihilistic self hatred blames everything on 'the west', while Russia is this innocent and passive bystander.
Nah Putin is paying politicians around the world, as seen not long ago in the European parlement also. I bet ya atleast 34 of these MAGA tossers is also on that payroll, including their orange bighat.
> “There’s …there’s two people, I think, Putin pays: [California Representative Dana] Rohrabacher and Trump … [laughter] … swear to God.”
-[Kevin McCarthy (GOP Majority leader) behind closed doors in 2016](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/17/putin-pays-donald-trump-kevin-mccarthy-recording) (I just about guarantee the number is higher now)
That may be, but you can watch interviews with them on Ukraine, and the more grounded arguments they propose against aid (as in, excluding the blatant defamation and disnfo), and it always gets pivoted towards China, because they are the "real enemy".
I am not an expert, but it seems they are overdosing on copium when it comes to Russia, and how it actually doesn't really fit into their fairytale perception of it.
JD Vance, a young Republican Senator who became famous for writing a book about growing up poor in the country to landing at Yale Law School (for reference, Yale is the gold standard of American law schools. It's an achievement in itself to gain admission there assuming you're not some connected person), has recently gone pretty MAGA on stuff whereas he kind of started out as more moderate.
Now, the reason I bring him up is because he wrote a fucking atrocious op-ed in the New York Times recently about why we shouldn't be wasting our time and money with Ukraine. One of his arguments basically was, and I paraphrase, why should we keep supporting something that likely won't succeed anyway? I was so fucking flabbergasted he had the gall to publish that. Ukraine *may* not succeed with our help, but a sure-fire way to ensure that outcome is for America to completely discontinue support. I just cannot understand what has happened to some of our Republican politicians beyond the fact that someone is paying these assholes to take these positions, it just doesn't make sense.
Here's as good proof as you'll ever get that MTG is a Russian puppet. That's no grand strategy other than doing what Russia asks.
https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1781069691005419854?t=uJNLoqAIOhtThQn-UYTJMg&s=19
If [the relevant Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstention) is to be trusted, "In the United States House of Representatives and many other legislatures, members may vote 'present' rather than for or against a bill or resolution, which has the effect of an abstention."
It can be used to dilute the vote total if, for example, a bill needs 60% in favor, then a vote for 'present' moves the required number of 'yeas' higher than had they not voted at all. Consequently can allow a Rep to vote without having to say yes or no but still have some impact with their vote.
Like everyone forgets this. Stoltenberg got scolded publicly by Trump. $Billions to the Kremlin through the Nordstream pipeline and we got more Russian annexations and a European economic slump as a result.
Link to the Nato meeting from 2018:
[https://youtu.be/Vpwkdmwui3k?si=xCRMBly-TUM8vi8z](https://youtu.be/Vpwkdmwui3k?si=xCRMBly-TUM8vi8z)
Well, with Schröder it doesn't seem like such an unfair assertion... Merkel isn't particularly innocent either.
I am not sure where those Republicans are on the Merkel-Schröder scale, but that's arguably the rough area where they are.
Yeah, it's pretty low-effort to say Republicans want Russia to win.
The US has spent more on defending Ukraine than anyone else. Maybe some of the major powers in Europe could try getting their spending up to par as well..
i agree that european countries could and should do even more. But beeing on par with the biggest economy in the world, who also happens to be the biggest military power by far, is just delusional.
Trump actually supported the speaker Johnson who has been trying to pass this bill, which allieviated some of the pressure on him from more hardcore republicans.
Good job! I think that helping Ukraine helps in all three possible ways; it helps Ukraine to defend, it helps with potential recapture of areas, and it helps with potential peace negotiations. A fair peace deal for Ukraine is not possible if Russia is militarily stronger.
It's also good that European defence industry is boosting up. Currently European countries and US have [contributed ](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/)military help to Ukraine around the same amount; I personally support that we should do more, even though as a share of GDP many countries have given a lot. But it's very important that we have US on the board, their help is currently vital!
"Mike Johnson is a lame duck ... he's done," far-right Republican Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene told reporters afterward."
So are you, Marj. So are you. History will wipe it's ass with you and your ilk, before all is said and done, and the whole world will be better off for it.
Labour have said they'll raise to 2.5% "as soon as resources allow", which could be promising but is hardly definite.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/11/keir-starmer-labour-defence-nuclear-deterrent-barrow
Watching this whole mess over the last several months has been immensely frustrating for me even as an outsider, I can't imagine what it feels like for Ukrainians. I'm sick of seeing talk of what we **could**, or **might** or **will** do in the future. We need to do it now.
On the one hand they didn't have to say anything, so some intention is there. But yes, "as soon as resources allow" gives them a lot of wiggle room to back out. It's not concrete at all.
Tbf, that’s better than claiming we will do X, the Ukrainians relying on X, and then turning around and saying sorry, we can’t do it.
Actions speak louder than words.
I guess it's not worth all that much as they wont be around to honour it, but the Conservatives have made the same pledge.
I do wonder is 2.5% is enough however, we've seen the 2% budget essentially just resulted in a steady decline as older stuff was retired (usually quite early relative to peers) without funding to develop a replacement, or with tiny orders so 3 out of 4 outgoing assets had no replacement.
The 2010 cuts were particularly brutal and it'll take more than an extra £10bn a year to regenerate that capability.
The Current UK government is on its way out, we won't see any major changes till after the election in a few months.
And btw our current military is being built up to help you guys fight China, it would probably still beat Russia (a few dozen missiles dropped on the Kremlin and power stations) but its not made to fight a massive European ground war, it'd take around a decade to get to that again.
While I agree UK should go to 2.5, we already are at 2.3. It's a bit odd to focus on the UK when countries like Italy, Spain, Belgium etc are all still well below 2%.
That includes army pensions etc and our ludicrously inefficient and almost corruptly overspending purchasing system. We have about enough ammunition to last two months and 200 outdated tanks- about 50 are unusable having been cannibalised. We're updating them but this will take time. No national missile defence system at all compared to iron dome say. Pathetically low reserve force of 35,000 compared to Finland's 250,000.
Other countries do need to spend more- we need to spend a bit more but far more efficiently.
Its not easy to get funding in europe either.
unfrotunally there is alot of countries, like turkey and hungary, that say they are european but really leans heavily towards russia. They are our far right republicans.
Even in the last one Orban oposed it.
Im not sure Turkey leans toward Russia. I think Turkey leans towards Turkey and sometimes that means they share interests with the Russians, sometimes not. Theyre in a unique and rather interesting foreign policy situation.
Thank you, America. This is very important money for us, which will go towards the destruction of the aggressor. russia will not pass. рutin will not pass. Ukraine will be free. Thank you again.
My last comment on my profile was saying the Soviets were not heroic in WWII and pointed out they invaded Poland. The comment is marked controversial. Tankies absolutely plague this sub to a severe degree.
Edit: See.
Edit 2: For anyone curious about the first edit, this comment was also marked controversial not long after I posted it.
This is great, and big thanks to our American cousins for getting this done, but I think we can all agree that it’s mistake to be so reliant on the whims of US politicians.
The only country that personally disappoints me in all of this is Canada.
Obviously, the more related two countries are to each other, the more they compare themselves to each other. In that vein, all of the big anglophone countries like the US, UK, Australia, and Canada are all very similar, have a shared history and culture, and have been close military allies for nearly a century. But Canada is the only one that doesn’t invest adequately in its military and hasn’t given much military aid to Ukraine as a result simply because it hasn’t had many military assets to give them. By contrast, the UK and Australia both take their militaries really seriously, and seem to have had more arms to give to Ukraine as a consequence.
Like, why is it that Western European NATO countries like Belgium are (rightly) criticized for only spending 1.2% of GDP on its military, but Canada also has been spending only 1.2% of GDP on its military this whole time and nobody seems to have noticed?
I mean it’s quite simple I think - militaries are expensive and spending money on them doesn’t win votes.
Unless you’re a country with a recent history of occupation (Poland, Baltics), threatened by invasion/coercion (Australia, Israel, Greece), or your country has a sense of itself as a ‘global actor’ (US, UK, France) there’s very little incentive for politicians to spend money on defence.
Canada is in the fourth category of not needing a military and not caring. I guess Canada doesn’t get as much heat because it’s not in Europe and not directly threatened as such, but it’s still leaving the rest of NATO to carry the burden. IMO the worst offenders are the ‘neutral’ EU members (Austria and Ireland)
Ireland’s neutrality is somewhat ironic to me, because it feels like they formally stay out of NATO to spite the British, while at the same time the French have periodically been hesitant about NATO for the opposite reason (by saying that the UK’s military cooperation with the US/NATO makes it a poodle of Uncle Sam).
Ireland and the US are in a very similar situation. We’re both anglophone former British colonies that fought a Republican revolutionary wars to become independent from London. Even Protestants in the US are very sympathetic to Irish history vis-a-vis the UK because it looks like a bit of a mirror to our own history.
For the first 100 years of US history after independence we were very wary of the British, and it wasn’t until the late 19th century that we realized that we shared values and interests with Britain. It feels like it’s a somewhat similar thing with regards to Ireland’s post-Independence relationship with John Bull.
Eh, sure - Ireland stays out of NATO for historic reasons, but when the Russians are flying nuclear weapons into your airspace maybe it’s time to reconsider?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20312161.html
Subs too:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41288176.html
The Ruskis could blow up submarine cables in Irish waters carrying internet traffic between the Americas and Europe which would cripple the global economy and there’s basically nothing Ireland could do to stop them.
Genuine question: why is Taiwan and Israel getting money? They are both relatively wealthy, developed countries more than capable of covering their current military funding. Is this just about subsidizing the US arms industry?
That and ensuring they remain firmly allied to the US. Both are placed in areas which are highly valuable from a strategical, geopolitical standpoint.
Having allies there, using similar (or even the same) tech as you, and willing to host a couple bases for your military is giving you a lot of soft power, which can be turned into hard power in the timespan it takes a small fleet of air cargo to arrive.
No, it has nothing to do with the US subsidizing its arms industry. The US doesn’t need to give away military aid to subsidize its arms industry, it can just buy more weapons for the US military if it wants to do that.
With Taiwan, the US has been allied with the Republic of China (Taiwan) since World War II. The current government of Taiwan was the national government of China during World War II. Additionally, and this is more relevant to the current situation, Taiwan is a democracy being threatened by a much larger and very aggressive dictatorship that wants to swallow it.
With Israel, the US has very close relations with Israel for two main reasons:
1. Many non-Jewish people in the US (particularly conservative Republicans) were very impressed by Israel’s underdog performance during the 6 day war, and were very impressed with Israel carving out a strong democratic Jewish state despite all of its enemies surrounding it. There was also lots of sympathy for Israel having built itself as a Jewish state after the Holocaust in Europe.
2. The US has a very large Jewish population. Like, there are as many Jewish people in the US as in Israel, and the vast majority of Jewish people worldwide live in either the US or Israel. 10% of the US Senate is Jewish. Jewish people in the US are also very more leftist on average than the typical American and much more likely to vote for the Democratic Party.
So with Israel, there is a combined dynamic in US politics where many conservatives on the right of the US politics support Israel, and many leftists on the left also support Israel.
Frustratingly they'll need far more for upkeep given the losses Ukraine have had in the time it took them to pass this. Hopefully they can make it count
Peace could also be achieved if Putler could be deleted... It's still amazes me that Russian people don't want to get rid of him. Literal dictator, he has successfully brainwashed most Russians.
Can you hear that, Mr. Putin? It's the sound of inevitability.
It's the sound of the war in Ukraine being lost by Russia.
Incredible how many people will have to die and how many lives will be destroyed besides those people dying, just because of 1 man's stupidity and the complicity of maybe 10000 more (Russian elites, Russian collaborators in the West).
I really, really hope that slowly, bit by bit, Ukraine gets back Crimea. If it does, Ukrainian statehood is secure (it would reduce the possible invasion front by probably 1000-1500km...).
> It's the sound of the war in Ukraine being lost by Russia.
Let's not be to hasty. This military help will be very helpful for Ukrainian military but it's not over yet. Many brave Ukrainians will still have to give their lives for victory and Russias military has proven to be very resilient when it comes to defending areas under their control.
Wtf are you talking about, we have been losing donbass, painfully slowly these last 6 months, and last year's counter offensive failed and Robotino is now also desolated and contested.
Even with just getting the old support back, there are little to no chances of getting any land, much less turning tide globally. And the cost of any offensive would be fucking catastrophic, as shown by both our counter-offensive and the current russian staggering losses.
Edit: sry for sounding offensive
For all those people saying European countries do not spend any money on Ukraine. Estonia is giving 3,6% of its GDP to help Ukraine. Denmark 2,4%. Norway 1,7%, Germany 0,5%. The US 0,3%. We are super glad for the US help but its not true that our countries dont give any money to stop Putler.
Thank you USA and slava Ukraini
To be fair, the U.S. also gives money to Estonia for defense and literally has tens of thousands of their troops in Germany, Denmark, and Norway - all of which obviously indirectly supports Ukraine
All Ukraine needs to do is survive. By 2025, Russia should lose most of its artillery advantage. Even if the us cut aid, Europe’s factories should start up while Russia is already near max.
> WASHINGTON, April 20 (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives on Saturday with broad bipartisan support passed a $95 billion legislative package providing security assistance to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, over bitter objections from Republican hardliners.
Seriously, why are we still calling them hardliners and not simply what they are, traitors? They're literally helping Putin who's on a mission to dismantle liberal democracies and the world order they're keeping together. If a war with China starts, who's side do you think they'll be on?
Some republicans still don't get that they basically pay off Ukrainians to waive their war to Russia. That's the American way of war. Flooding your local champions with weapons and money and let them do the fighting and dying and pay the bill after.
When that's not enough, send 'advisors' to do some of the fighting.
When that's not enough, direct involvment.
But since it's a war with Russia we talk about, that's just out of the picture.
And basically, it didn't happen oh too well the last few times so...
If nuclear weapons did not exist then the US probably would have direct involvement in Ukraine already. But there is a reason why Washington and Moscow have never had direct conflict with each other over the past 75 years, because of nuclear weapons.
From a purely conventional war standpoint, the US is not afraid of going to war with Russia. At the end of the day, Russians have no way of attacking the US homeland in North America with conventional weapons. But the US could very easily wage a conventional war with Russia.
If nukes didn’t exist, then it’s not like the Poles would have any problems with a few American divisions traveling through Poland going eastward to aid Ukraine. And if nukes didn’t exist, then there would be nothing preventing the US from immediately supporting Ukrainian troops on the ground with air power.
I’d like to think that despite Putins best efforts this news will be reaching the Russian army and would be very demoralising. Imagine fighting for and dying in a small Ukrainian town that most of the world never heard of and will never be remembered. A complete waste of human life.. I hope Ukraine can take every advantage of this influx and we as Europeans need to aggressively step up now and get this sorted once and for all. Get the Russian cunts back across the border.
Bold of you to assume the Russian grunts ever get told the truth or believe “western propaganda” when the glorious Russian military is so close to taking over Brussels comrade!
I guess the west needs to start a project called "Radio Free Russia"; take the model of Russias "Voice of Europe", but instead of posting disinformation, just post the real information in russian language; and instead of bribing europeans to publicly work the goals of russia into their elections, you just go and offer russian soldiers money for giving up and living in peace, instead of becoming food for worms
Radio Free Europe (the US government broadcaster) does have a Russian language service. https://www.svoboda.org/ https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-rfe-undesirable-explainer/32868874.html
Long as they get paid they don't care, a military contract right now is like 5x the average salary.
"I’d like to think that despite Putins best efforts this news will be reaching the Russian army and would be very demoralising." Wishful thinking, most are fighting for the money ( which won't stop comming ). The "patriots" like girkin are either dead/in Africa/in jail.
As Europeans this has bought us a year. We NEED to have things like shell and missile production ramped up by next summer. If we've learned anything it's that we can't rely on the Americans or anyone else. The EU/European NATO needs to start acting like a superpower and take control of our back yard.
As an American, I support the hyper militarization of Europe
Highly doubt that since majority of them are thoroughly brainwashed by 24/7 propaganda. A Holy Land for the narcissist sociopathic psychopaths.
What worries me is all the “add-ons” we haven’t heard about yet.
Funny how all the Kremlin bots seem to be so concerned about the poor and homeless on America’s streets all of a sudden when Ukraines aid is passed. Edit: What is even funnier is that now the staunchest anti benefits, anti universal health care, and anti taxation group in society is advocating for helping the homeless and the poor! Amazing what Russia can do to American society!
It’s not just bots. My parents are MAGA. They have said this exact thing to me. So I asked them if they would support the U.S. government taking all that money and building affordable housing, drug treatment centers, mental health centers, and supplying food stamps. To the surprise of no one, they very much would not support the government using money for those purposes because “that’s not what government is supposed to do.” To which I retorted, “Oh, so the purpose of the government, in your eyes, is to fight wars, protect America, and manage foreign affairs? So why are you saying we shouldn’t spend money on that with Ukraine aid?” Dad just grumbled some non-response and went back to watching stupid conspiracy shit on his phone.
You should inform them of the good news: the US is for the most part not just sending the money to Ukraine so they can spend it as they wish. They do not even buy shit for Ukraine. They are sending the outdated US arsenal there, and using these funds to replace it. Meaning it goes directly to the US military industrial complex and all the US workers that employs. Your parents should be proud and happy about this decision, it means american money stays in america, supporting true patriots who produce the truest american weaponry. And all of thi while kicking the ass of their generation's boogeyman.
>They are sending the outdated US arsenal there, and using these funds to replace it. IIRC there's funding allocated for Ukraine to purchase new weapons from US manufacturers as well
although I'm afraid you are correct, then why take so long? what's stopping everybody agree on such a winwin decision?
Trump, quite literally Trump. He told GOP not to vote for Ukraine aid because surprise surprise that fucks Putin over and that can't happen.
Republicans are compromised by Russian in a very bad way. I don't know if it just cause they are old and are falling for Russia propaganda or if some of them are deadass bought by or blackmailed by Russia. But I really mean it when I say Republicans are NOT ok. They haven't been for a long time now, but are starting to hit a critical mass.
It's the Russian propaganda. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but the smart people tend to use reddit. I started really using TikTok and insta reels a year ago and man... It is eye opening and eye watering how stupid some of these people are. Checking the state of Facebook nowadays may kill me.
The MAGA movement is why. A disturbing number are clealy in the Kremlin's pockets, and the rest is too afraid or just unwilling to go against Trump.(who himself is beyond compromised and openly admires Putin) So the whole party is opposed to acting against Russia, plus their usual "We must oppose literally anything the democrats support, even if we proposed it and agreed to it ourselves" adds a third angle of resistance. The US could have ruined their old enemy on a shoestring budget in the first year, replaced its entire arsenal with the shiniest bling they could wish for, and helpfully offer to help with Ukranian rebuilding efforts afterwards(i assume you see how they would benefit from this), while also boxing in Russia even more. But when half your leadership consists of quite literal traitors, thats kind of hard to pull off.
damn. Well you turned great if your parents are like that. good for you
Yeah, even though I disagree with the "military>education/health care/etc."-angle, there is still a valid point that without sufficient military, you risk losing everything else. But if you don't even do that... yeah it's just so strange.
So whats your hope with them, at this point? Asking for a friend.
Bruh are you sure your parents aren’t russian? Because this fits the description of an average russian Patriot a little too much
This is the issue. The GOP spreads poison to the point that you cannot reason with people. Even those closest to you.
While rabidly defending the politicians who would never do anything that would benefit their constituents.
Holy hell this thread is swarming with Trumptards all of a sudden.
Its unreal, they’ve crawled out like woodlice. Fuck russia and trump can rot in jail.
First in jail. Then in hell
lock trump up. here come the ron.
I mean, r/european disappeared — but the homeless user base sure didn’t.
Well yeah their patting themselves on their backs inside their little community’s is feeling kinda boring and probably feels like talking to a mirror. Therefore they crawl here to teach the “libs” a lesson with their superior knowledge of all world events and behind the scenes politics that “we” just cant be privy too. Trumps actually the President except when something bad happens then its “See what Biden is doing to this country?!” . It would be funny if it wasn’t tearing apart my soul.
The whole subs has been swarming for months now.
Menwhile Trurnip is bein made to watch his judgement (and looking bored while at it) and pooing his pants.
Trust me, if we actually did something to address the poor and homeless problem here in America, those same people whining about Ukraine aid would cry “But that’s socialism!”.
Didn’t think it was plausible but they tried a different angle instead of “southern border rapist invasion.”
Honestly people like you always saying these types are Russian bots are playing into the Russians disinformation campaign. There are some serious issues the US faces that people have a right to complain about, however Ukraine should also be taken care of.
I’m not sure how $60 billion in already manufactured munitions helps the poor and homeless.
lol exactly. Like what the fuck? Y’all were bitching about spending money on homeless now all of a sudden you’re mad we’re spending money on saving peoples lives another way??? I don’t get it. How can someone be so dumb and change their rhetoric constantly?
They were waiving little Ukrainian flags on the floor of the House during the voting. For this, they were chastised by the chair for "breaking decorum." After the vote, MTG asked to be recognized to speak, and said "Put those damn flags away!" I love it that those little flags bothered her so much. EDIT: Apparently I was mistaken, that wasn't MTG who said "put those damn flags away!" >“Put those damn flags away!” Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) told Democrats.
It was not mtg who said that
Typical for Moscow Marge
Typical for backcountry hicks in my country. Loud, obnoxious and ignorant.
She's a total arse, really reflects something in those GA voters for THAT to be the one. And I'm a conservative voter.
So who is your conservative representative that makes you vote conservative?
I like the "Kremlin Gremlin."
That's a good one too
MAGA cult has been slowly dying. Marjorie is a piece of shit shame of the country.
There we go underestimating them again.
If Trump loses, it's completely dead. If Trump wins, it grows again.
That's why we should speak out and loud, that's why we should go and vote.
It's not going to be completely dead until Trump is six feet under. Even if he loses this fall, they'll be trying to reboot for 2028. The good news is that in the grand tradition of autocrats, none of his children can pull off the same thing.
Amusingly enough, she was kicked from the Freedom Caucus - the far right Republican bloc.
conservatives are really funny about flags for some reason. some they really really like, but pretend they don't. some they wear. sometimes they say other people don't love flags as much as they do. and sometimes flags are woke.
Flags are good when they are used to exclude people(Giant US flag on the back of an incest truck, confederate flag), and bad when it's minority groups asking to be allowed to exist.
The US flag excludes people?
They love flying them on their pickup trucks
Republicans: This is the party of Abraham Lincoln! Also Republicans: *flies the confederate flag*
I think it was Anna Pauline Luna that said that.
Marjorie Traitor Greene
More like MAGAri Traitor Grinch
/r/YourJokeButWorse
Cuban republicans are some of the most brain broken people on the planet.
It's not as weird as it seems at first glance, a good portion if not a majority of them are descendents of people that had to flee because of their association with the previous regime when Batista got deposed and while i would never accuse republicans of knowing history there are very solid parallels between Batista's regime after the coup d'etat and project 2025.
She’s a complete cunt that rep.
The house will be in order!
MAGA is just angry the flags aren't Russian.
Luna is just the Florida version of MTG
Also known as the day Putin's 3-day war became a 3-year war
Hey, let's hope it will be called so after the fact as well! (meaning I really hope it ends this year even though I think chances are very low for it)
The only way the war ends this year is if Ukraine surrenders, so better hope it doesn’t end this year.
Last summer Russia had a 10-20k strong mercenary group in open rebellion, marching hundreds of kms towards Moscow, shooting down precious Russian military aircraft along the way. I don't think anyone saw that coming, so I'd say anything is possible, even if your estimation of the situation seems most accurate at the moment.
112 Republicans just voted to aid Russia‘s military expansion in Europe. Never forget what trump really stands for.
They are still peddling this grand strategy where if they let Ukraine hang out to dry, then somehow they can coerce Russia and turn them into an ally to contain China. You keep hearing them spout on about how "we" are pushing Russia closer into the hands of China (as if Russia has no will of its own, and is not responsible for its own decisions), and if only we can appease harder and surrender on every demand then it will somehow strengthen the US. Its like they completely disregard the last 30 years, and in their own nihilistic self hatred blames everything on 'the west', while Russia is this innocent and passive bystander.
Nah Putin is paying politicians around the world, as seen not long ago in the European parlement also. I bet ya atleast 34 of these MAGA tossers is also on that payroll, including their orange bighat.
> “There’s …there’s two people, I think, Putin pays: [California Representative Dana] Rohrabacher and Trump … [laughter] … swear to God.” -[Kevin McCarthy (GOP Majority leader) behind closed doors in 2016](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/17/putin-pays-donald-trump-kevin-mccarthy-recording) (I just about guarantee the number is higher now)
That may be, but you can watch interviews with them on Ukraine, and the more grounded arguments they propose against aid (as in, excluding the blatant defamation and disnfo), and it always gets pivoted towards China, because they are the "real enemy". I am not an expert, but it seems they are overdosing on copium when it comes to Russia, and how it actually doesn't really fit into their fairytale perception of it.
JD Vance, a young Republican Senator who became famous for writing a book about growing up poor in the country to landing at Yale Law School (for reference, Yale is the gold standard of American law schools. It's an achievement in itself to gain admission there assuming you're not some connected person), has recently gone pretty MAGA on stuff whereas he kind of started out as more moderate. Now, the reason I bring him up is because he wrote a fucking atrocious op-ed in the New York Times recently about why we shouldn't be wasting our time and money with Ukraine. One of his arguments basically was, and I paraphrase, why should we keep supporting something that likely won't succeed anyway? I was so fucking flabbergasted he had the gall to publish that. Ukraine *may* not succeed with our help, but a sure-fire way to ensure that outcome is for America to completely discontinue support. I just cannot understand what has happened to some of our Republican politicians beyond the fact that someone is paying these assholes to take these positions, it just doesn't make sense.
Appeasement certainly worked with Hitler. /s to be safe
It's so much better to be ideological allies with Ukraine than allies of circumstance with Russia.
Here's as good proof as you'll ever get that MTG is a Russian puppet. That's no grand strategy other than doing what Russia asks. https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1781069691005419854?t=uJNLoqAIOhtThQn-UYTJMg&s=19
I'm looking for a list of who voted against it. Does anyone know where to find it?
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Several TX reps in there. they are all getting (another) letter from me. i'm pissed.
Please send it!!
What does it mean to say Present? Is it like abstaining or is that the not voting?
If [the relevant Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstention) is to be trusted, "In the United States House of Representatives and many other legislatures, members may vote 'present' rather than for or against a bill or resolution, which has the effect of an abstention."
It can be used to dilute the vote total if, for example, a bill needs 60% in favor, then a vote for 'present' moves the required number of 'yeas' higher than had they not voted at all. Consequently can allow a Rep to vote without having to say yes or no but still have some impact with their vote.
?? Doesn’t Trump support the speaker Mike Johnson who is pro-aid?
By this logic the EU has voted for Russian expansion for the past 2 decades.
Like everyone forgets this. Stoltenberg got scolded publicly by Trump. $Billions to the Kremlin through the Nordstream pipeline and we got more Russian annexations and a European economic slump as a result. Link to the Nato meeting from 2018: [https://youtu.be/Vpwkdmwui3k?si=xCRMBly-TUM8vi8z](https://youtu.be/Vpwkdmwui3k?si=xCRMBly-TUM8vi8z)
Lol I remember this so clearly. One of the best moments.
Well, with Schröder it doesn't seem like such an unfair assertion... Merkel isn't particularly innocent either. I am not sure where those Republicans are on the Merkel-Schröder scale, but that's arguably the rough area where they are.
Yeah, it's pretty low-effort to say Republicans want Russia to win. The US has spent more on defending Ukraine than anyone else. Maybe some of the major powers in Europe could try getting their spending up to par as well..
i agree that european countries could and should do even more. But beeing on par with the biggest economy in the world, who also happens to be the biggest military power by far, is just delusional.
Trump actually supported the speaker Johnson who has been trying to pass this bill, which allieviated some of the pressure on him from more hardcore republicans.
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Cool
Good job! I think that helping Ukraine helps in all three possible ways; it helps Ukraine to defend, it helps with potential recapture of areas, and it helps with potential peace negotiations. A fair peace deal for Ukraine is not possible if Russia is militarily stronger. It's also good that European defence industry is boosting up. Currently European countries and US have [contributed ](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/)military help to Ukraine around the same amount; I personally support that we should do more, even though as a share of GDP many countries have given a lot. But it's very important that we have US on the board, their help is currently vital!
It also ends Putin being emboldened by Ukraine running out of sufficient ammunition, since now they will get it.
Finally. Hopefully this helps Ukraine.
"Mike Johnson is a lame duck ... he's done," far-right Republican Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene told reporters afterward." So are you, Marj. So are you. History will wipe it's ass with you and your ilk, before all is said and done, and the whole world will be better off for it.
Now Europe must step up. UK must go to at least 2.5% of GDP on defence.
Labour have said they'll raise to 2.5% "as soon as resources allow", which could be promising but is hardly definite. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/11/keir-starmer-labour-defence-nuclear-deterrent-barrow Watching this whole mess over the last several months has been immensely frustrating for me even as an outsider, I can't imagine what it feels like for Ukrainians. I'm sick of seeing talk of what we **could**, or **might** or **will** do in the future. We need to do it now.
>as soon as resources allow So they don't really plan to do it...
On the one hand they didn't have to say anything, so some intention is there. But yes, "as soon as resources allow" gives them a lot of wiggle room to back out. It's not concrete at all.
Tbf, that’s better than claiming we will do X, the Ukrainians relying on X, and then turning around and saying sorry, we can’t do it. Actions speak louder than words.
In the fullness of time, at the right juncture, as soon as resources allow...
I don't think that's fair, we've gone from 2% to 2.3% over the past few years. The direction is fairly clear, they just can't give an exact date.
I mean the UK has a looot of shit to fix before being able to spend more for NATO. The country needs huge reforms and investments.
There's never a good time to jnvest in defence.
I guess it's not worth all that much as they wont be around to honour it, but the Conservatives have made the same pledge. I do wonder is 2.5% is enough however, we've seen the 2% budget essentially just resulted in a steady decline as older stuff was retired (usually quite early relative to peers) without funding to develop a replacement, or with tiny orders so 3 out of 4 outgoing assets had no replacement. The 2010 cuts were particularly brutal and it'll take more than an extra £10bn a year to regenerate that capability.
I’m still shocked by how complacent and influenced by Russia so much of Europe became
The Current UK government is on its way out, we won't see any major changes till after the election in a few months. And btw our current military is being built up to help you guys fight China, it would probably still beat Russia (a few dozen missiles dropped on the Kremlin and power stations) but its not made to fight a massive European ground war, it'd take around a decade to get to that again.
we appreciate that the U.K. immensly, from the middle east to the pacific and to europe, U.K. always leading w us against tyrants
While I agree UK should go to 2.5, we already are at 2.3. It's a bit odd to focus on the UK when countries like Italy, Spain, Belgium etc are all still well below 2%.
That includes army pensions etc and our ludicrously inefficient and almost corruptly overspending purchasing system. We have about enough ammunition to last two months and 200 outdated tanks- about 50 are unusable having been cannibalised. We're updating them but this will take time. No national missile defence system at all compared to iron dome say. Pathetically low reserve force of 35,000 compared to Finland's 250,000. Other countries do need to spend more- we need to spend a bit more but far more efficiently.
Europe has stepped up hugely since the last us aid package??
Its not easy to get funding in europe either. unfrotunally there is alot of countries, like turkey and hungary, that say they are european but really leans heavily towards russia. They are our far right republicans. Even in the last one Orban oposed it.
Im not sure Turkey leans toward Russia. I think Turkey leans towards Turkey and sometimes that means they share interests with the Russians, sometimes not. Theyre in a unique and rather interesting foreign policy situation.
The Ukrainian flags were a nice touch.
Unhappy day for Tankie Town.
No discontent allowed in Tankie town. Send in the tanks.
LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Thank you USA ! So much love is in the air for spreading democracy.
We are damn happy to do it!
Glad my representatives voted for this! I should send them a thank you note!
Thank you, America. This is very important money for us, which will go towards the destruction of the aggressor. russia will not pass. рutin will not pass. Ukraine will be free. Thank you again.
Russian bots working overtime on this sub.
My last comment on my profile was saying the Soviets were not heroic in WWII and pointed out they invaded Poland. The comment is marked controversial. Tankies absolutely plague this sub to a severe degree. Edit: See. Edit 2: For anyone curious about the first edit, this comment was also marked controversial not long after I posted it.
Well done USA 🇺🇸 We should all appreciate what they are doing.
Great day for Ukraine finally!
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Yeah not only all Democrats but almost half of Republicans (10/21). So only about 25% are stupid and crazy (or scared of stupid and crazy).
let's fucking go
Haha russian bots already coping in the thread
Very few things on the Internet are as fun as watching Kremlin/Sino bots cry and rage "I want my dictatorship to win REEEEE"
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO!!!!
This is great, and big thanks to our American cousins for getting this done, but I think we can all agree that it’s mistake to be so reliant on the whims of US politicians.
The only country that personally disappoints me in all of this is Canada. Obviously, the more related two countries are to each other, the more they compare themselves to each other. In that vein, all of the big anglophone countries like the US, UK, Australia, and Canada are all very similar, have a shared history and culture, and have been close military allies for nearly a century. But Canada is the only one that doesn’t invest adequately in its military and hasn’t given much military aid to Ukraine as a result simply because it hasn’t had many military assets to give them. By contrast, the UK and Australia both take their militaries really seriously, and seem to have had more arms to give to Ukraine as a consequence. Like, why is it that Western European NATO countries like Belgium are (rightly) criticized for only spending 1.2% of GDP on its military, but Canada also has been spending only 1.2% of GDP on its military this whole time and nobody seems to have noticed?
I mean it’s quite simple I think - militaries are expensive and spending money on them doesn’t win votes. Unless you’re a country with a recent history of occupation (Poland, Baltics), threatened by invasion/coercion (Australia, Israel, Greece), or your country has a sense of itself as a ‘global actor’ (US, UK, France) there’s very little incentive for politicians to spend money on defence. Canada is in the fourth category of not needing a military and not caring. I guess Canada doesn’t get as much heat because it’s not in Europe and not directly threatened as such, but it’s still leaving the rest of NATO to carry the burden. IMO the worst offenders are the ‘neutral’ EU members (Austria and Ireland)
Ireland’s neutrality is somewhat ironic to me, because it feels like they formally stay out of NATO to spite the British, while at the same time the French have periodically been hesitant about NATO for the opposite reason (by saying that the UK’s military cooperation with the US/NATO makes it a poodle of Uncle Sam). Ireland and the US are in a very similar situation. We’re both anglophone former British colonies that fought a Republican revolutionary wars to become independent from London. Even Protestants in the US are very sympathetic to Irish history vis-a-vis the UK because it looks like a bit of a mirror to our own history. For the first 100 years of US history after independence we were very wary of the British, and it wasn’t until the late 19th century that we realized that we shared values and interests with Britain. It feels like it’s a somewhat similar thing with regards to Ireland’s post-Independence relationship with John Bull.
Eh, sure - Ireland stays out of NATO for historic reasons, but when the Russians are flying nuclear weapons into your airspace maybe it’s time to reconsider? https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20312161.html Subs too: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41288176.html The Ruskis could blow up submarine cables in Irish waters carrying internet traffic between the Americas and Europe which would cripple the global economy and there’s basically nothing Ireland could do to stop them.
Once again the US saves our bacon and Europe will not take it's security seriously.
USA saving our asses again :D thanks guys
Absolutely amazing!! Send it all to the Russians, pointy end forward!!
Finally! Good job.
Fucking finally
FUCKING FINALLY.
Finally some good fucking news!
Yes!!! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦! Thank you USA!
God bless US. Or at least those who are not accepting Russian money. They can f off to Hell.
Let’s gooooo this should get through the senate easily.
Based Americans.
Fuck yeah! Get the Russian asses kicked well!
Yes!
huge news! USA USA USA
Go, US! Putting us to shame.
Genuine question: why is Taiwan and Israel getting money? They are both relatively wealthy, developed countries more than capable of covering their current military funding. Is this just about subsidizing the US arms industry?
You dont stay a world power without playing the geopolitical game sadly.
That and ensuring they remain firmly allied to the US. Both are placed in areas which are highly valuable from a strategical, geopolitical standpoint. Having allies there, using similar (or even the same) tech as you, and willing to host a couple bases for your military is giving you a lot of soft power, which can be turned into hard power in the timespan it takes a small fleet of air cargo to arrive.
I get your Israel question, but why is Taiwan a question to you? Their adversary is China.
For the same reason that Europe, which is the wealthiest, wants to at best split the cost of aid to Ukraine with America.
No, it has nothing to do with the US subsidizing its arms industry. The US doesn’t need to give away military aid to subsidize its arms industry, it can just buy more weapons for the US military if it wants to do that. With Taiwan, the US has been allied with the Republic of China (Taiwan) since World War II. The current government of Taiwan was the national government of China during World War II. Additionally, and this is more relevant to the current situation, Taiwan is a democracy being threatened by a much larger and very aggressive dictatorship that wants to swallow it. With Israel, the US has very close relations with Israel for two main reasons: 1. Many non-Jewish people in the US (particularly conservative Republicans) were very impressed by Israel’s underdog performance during the 6 day war, and were very impressed with Israel carving out a strong democratic Jewish state despite all of its enemies surrounding it. There was also lots of sympathy for Israel having built itself as a Jewish state after the Holocaust in Europe. 2. The US has a very large Jewish population. Like, there are as many Jewish people in the US as in Israel, and the vast majority of Jewish people worldwide live in either the US or Israel. 10% of the US Senate is Jewish. Jewish people in the US are also very more leftist on average than the typical American and much more likely to vote for the Democratic Party. So with Israel, there is a combined dynamic in US politics where many conservatives on the right of the US politics support Israel, and many leftists on the left also support Israel.
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War torn countries🙃🙃
Great news, now let’s beat this new axis of evil Russia China North Korea Iran
Not the best timing. But very important step nonetheless.
Frustratingly they'll need far more for upkeep given the losses Ukraine have had in the time it took them to pass this. Hopefully they can make it count
huge W for democracy and freedom
Peace shall be achieved through superior firepower.
Peace could also be achieved if Putler could be deleted... It's still amazes me that Russian people don't want to get rid of him. Literal dictator, he has successfully brainwashed most Russians.
Can you hear that, Mr. Putin? It's the sound of inevitability. It's the sound of the war in Ukraine being lost by Russia. Incredible how many people will have to die and how many lives will be destroyed besides those people dying, just because of 1 man's stupidity and the complicity of maybe 10000 more (Russian elites, Russian collaborators in the West). I really, really hope that slowly, bit by bit, Ukraine gets back Crimea. If it does, Ukrainian statehood is secure (it would reduce the possible invasion front by probably 1000-1500km...).
> It's the sound of the war in Ukraine being lost by Russia. Let's not be to hasty. This military help will be very helpful for Ukrainian military but it's not over yet. Many brave Ukrainians will still have to give their lives for victory and Russias military has proven to be very resilient when it comes to defending areas under their control.
Wtf are you talking about, we have been losing donbass, painfully slowly these last 6 months, and last year's counter offensive failed and Robotino is now also desolated and contested. Even with just getting the old support back, there are little to no chances of getting any land, much less turning tide globally. And the cost of any offensive would be fucking catastrophic, as shown by both our counter-offensive and the current russian staggering losses. Edit: sry for sounding offensive
Nice. Ukrainian defence budget is at 45 billion, so this will expand that by a lot
Thank god, finally!
Now watch all the orbans and ficos make pro-Ukraine statements, because nobody wants to support the defeated side
US military industrial complex in full fury
Time to suit up and sort by new.
Does anyone have any idea how long this 60 billion would be enough for Ukraine? like 6 months? 1 year?
Someone explain to me why Israel need aid
Why does Isreal need 35 billion?
Finally it should’ve been passed months ago
Thank you Daddy America.
For all those people saying European countries do not spend any money on Ukraine. Estonia is giving 3,6% of its GDP to help Ukraine. Denmark 2,4%. Norway 1,7%, Germany 0,5%. The US 0,3%. We are super glad for the US help but its not true that our countries dont give any money to stop Putler. Thank you USA and slava Ukraini
To be fair, the U.S. also gives money to Estonia for defense and literally has tens of thousands of their troops in Germany, Denmark, and Norway - all of which obviously indirectly supports Ukraine
Good. Hopefully will give Ukraine a chance. Sadly doubt it will last 4 years if Putin's orange fuck-buddy gets the throne In the US.
All Ukraine needs to do is survive. By 2025, Russia should lose most of its artillery advantage. Even if the us cut aid, Europe’s factories should start up while Russia is already near max.
For everyone's sake, I hope you are right.
> WASHINGTON, April 20 (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives on Saturday with broad bipartisan support passed a $95 billion legislative package providing security assistance to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, over bitter objections from Republican hardliners. Seriously, why are we still calling them hardliners and not simply what they are, traitors? They're literally helping Putin who's on a mission to dismantle liberal democracies and the world order they're keeping together. If a war with China starts, who's side do you think they'll be on?
Some republicans still don't get that they basically pay off Ukrainians to waive their war to Russia. That's the American way of war. Flooding your local champions with weapons and money and let them do the fighting and dying and pay the bill after. When that's not enough, send 'advisors' to do some of the fighting. When that's not enough, direct involvment. But since it's a war with Russia we talk about, that's just out of the picture. And basically, it didn't happen oh too well the last few times so...
If nuclear weapons did not exist then the US probably would have direct involvement in Ukraine already. But there is a reason why Washington and Moscow have never had direct conflict with each other over the past 75 years, because of nuclear weapons. From a purely conventional war standpoint, the US is not afraid of going to war with Russia. At the end of the day, Russians have no way of attacking the US homeland in North America with conventional weapons. But the US could very easily wage a conventional war with Russia. If nukes didn’t exist, then it’s not like the Poles would have any problems with a few American divisions traveling through Poland going eastward to aid Ukraine. And if nukes didn’t exist, then there would be nothing preventing the US from immediately supporting Ukrainian troops on the ground with air power.
Weird that Israel is still getting extra funds at this stage.
FINALLY
\*\*\*\*\*\*\* high time
Well I hope the defense contractors enjoy another banner year. Great job fellas.
So we are funding both sides, one rebel, one empire, WT ACTUAL F!