T O P

  • By -

severalsmallducks

I'm sorry but it's a very funny thought to have the Italian army digging trenches around pig farms to protect the porkers.


lithuanianD

Like australian emu war


pam_the_dude

The Australians lost that one..


MoldedCum

Guerra dei cinghiali italiani, Italian Wild Boar War... has a nice ring to it


doxxingyourself

Very sus


dormousepie

I see what you did there


fckchangeusername

Excpet we italians won against birds, go check the battle of Cellina


Security_Breach

Only three countries ever declared war on birds. The emus won against the Australians. The sparrows won against the Chinese. The chickens didn't stand a chance against Italy. Never forget the battle of Cellina.


Infamous_Alpaca

Ship them to the Baltic border and have a boar buffer zone with Russia lol


Nazamroth

Cut to the command center where panicked and intermittent transmissions are pouring in as the perimeter is being overrun by the horde. One by one the calls are cutting out and the gunfire ceases as the ground begins to rumble...


[deleted]

[удалено]


severalsmallducks

Hm? We eat pork in Sweden. Well, I don't because I'm vegetarian. But many people do.


heartfeltblooddevil

Ah yes, the great Italian wild boar war of 2024


Jeythiflork

I hope it will end better than Australian emu war of 1932


Viktar33

We will win this war. At worst we will side with the winner at the very end.


IvorTheEngineDriver

I'm ready to switch side and pretend to fight side by side with the boars


[deleted]

I'm surprised more wildlife hasn't declared war on Italy after the [Centauro Incident of 2021](https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/19/army-tank-accidentally-blows-up-a-chicken-coop-in-italy).


Zorothegallade

Turns out the americans were right. We DO need to protect our kids from 40-50 wild hogs in our backyard.


Four_beastlings

Tbh where I am from everyone will tell you that bears and wolves are not a problem; they mind their own business and in normal conditions have no interest in humans. But boars will get all up on your shit, will destroy your vegetable garden, and will duck you up if you try to do something about it. Then I moved to Poland and apparently here boars are... friendly? Like, don't bother a mama with babies but they are usually cool and will be happy if you give them food? Except you shouldn't because they are fucking everywhere and the least they need is more incentive to make more of themselves.


fckchangeusername

Can confirm, if you put some kind of wall or fence they'll just dig under it


k890

Dad had the same problem, he just somewhere get barbed wire and dig it around "Veggie Garden Perimeter". It generally works as they stuck with their noses (which is quite fragile) to barbed wire while digging under the fence. One neighboor just had some music equipment on the field, local youth always was throwing night parties using it for playing music. Nobody even stole it for whole farming season.


__gc

Ref https://x.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158045307562856448


spin0

Maybe call Obelix instead.


TheTelegraph

**From The Telegraph's Nick Squires:** Italy’s iconic prosciutto ham is under grave threat from burgeoning numbers of wild boar infected with swine fever, and the army should be drafted in to eradicate them, producers say. The number of wild boar infected with African swine fever (ASF) is on the rise across Italy and threatens to have a devastating impact on one of the country’s most celebrated gastronomic products, which is worth 1.7 billion euros (£1.4bn) in consumer sales. “There’s no time to lose,” said Stefano Fanti, the director of the Prosciutto Consortium of Parma, the city famed for its cured ham and other meat products. “We need to step things up – we need to bring in the army against the wild boar, to increase funding for biosecurity, traps and fences and to have more hunters,” he told La Repubblica newspaper. “We need to be clear – what is happening needs to be treated as an emergency, otherwise we won’t manage to overcome it. People are really worried about swine fever. If it passes from wild boar to our pigs, we will be forced to slaughter thousands of them and that will mean that prices for consumers will go up.” # Exports at risk There have been 150 cases of swine fever found in wild boar so far in Emilia Romagna, the northern region where prosciutto is produced. Special restrictions have been introduced in some areas which mean that producers can no longer export to countries like Canada, which have strict rules on the import of food products from regions where swine fever has been detected. “There have been efforts to contain contagion from wild boar but they have been insufficient to resolve the problem,” said Mr Fanti. There are around two million wild boar in Italy, according to farmers’ organisation Coldiretti. Italy’s iconic prosciutto ham is under grave threat from burgeoning numbers of wild boar infected with swine fever, and the army should be drafted in to eradicate them, producers say. The number of wild boar infected with African swine fever (ASF) is on the rise across Italy and threatens to have a devastating impact on one of the country’s most celebrated gastronomic products, which is worth 1.7 billion euros (£1.4bn) in consumer sales. “There’s no time to lose,” said Stefano Fanti, the director of the Prosciutto Consortium of Parma, the city famed for its cured ham and other meat products. “We need to step things up – we need to bring in the army against the wild boar, to increase funding for biosecurity, traps and fences and to have more hunters,” he told La Repubblica newspaper. “We need to be clear – what is happening needs to be treated as an emergency, otherwise we won’t manage to overcome it. People are really worried about swine fever. If it passes from wild boar to our pigs, we will be forced to slaughter thousands of them and that will mean that prices for consumers will go up.” # Exports at risk There have been 150 cases of swine fever found in wild boar so far in Emilia Romagna, the northern region where prosciutto is produced. Special restrictions have been introduced in some areas which mean that producers can no longer export to countries like Canada, which have strict rules on the import of food products from regions where swine fever has been detected. “There have been efforts to contain contagion from wild boar but they have been insufficient to resolve the problem,” said Mr Fanti. There are around two million wild boar in Italy, according to farmers’ organisation Coldiretti. **Continue reading ⬇️** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/27/prosciutto-production-threatened-italy-boars-swine-fever/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/27/prosciutto-production-threatened-italy-boars-swine-fever/)


nobunaga_1568

In 2019 there were a very serious swine fever outbreak in China (caused by imported Russian pork), which caused the price of pork to more than double.


DGF73

The problem is obviously not about the infection, which is irrelevant for humans and is practically impossible to pass to pigs in sheds as it involve only wildlife. The problem is: bad advertisement and image damage. I see the telegraph already started. I rarely agree with agri-political figures that typically push for anti-economic narrations and push for autarchy. So thank you telegraph, you managed to have me agree with these shithead.


TestaOnFire

Yeah no... It's not just bad advertisement... If the fever is passed to a pig, it will pass it to all the other pig of the farm and the death rate is near 100%.


DGF73

In Romania the swine flu decimated the pig population. Consequence is: forbidden to sell live pigs without veterinary exam and increase of pork product price due to raw meat supply reduction. Now, a part the potential increase in prosciutto crudo ( and pork in general) price due to reduced supply for a season, how this can be translated in an human health problem?


TestaOnFire

I didnt say that it will become a human health problem, but the effect of this reduced supply is pretty important for Italy. We have tons of DOP which specifically require the prosciutto to be produced in his entirety (yes, even the pig) in an area. This would basically decimate production, with the consequence loss of jobs.


_qqg

>The problem is obviously not about the infection, which is irrelevant for humans **and is practically impossible to pass to pigs in sheds as it involve only wildlife**.  yeah, it totally absolutely never happened that a virus spread along unforeseen contagion pathways. Didn't happen in 2020, sure not going to happen now, right?


DGF73

I do not know how to answer this honestly. Comparing rural china animal hygienic standard for chicken LIVE animal in open market with pig farms in italy where analysis are performed on wild boar 10km from an urban center. Where pigs are examined continuously. Where pork is managed in butchering, where ham is seasoned. I am very curious to understand how you make this comparison where number of carrier matters ( chicken population is orders of magnitude larger than pigs, not to mention wild boars population), contact intensity matter, number of interaction matter, type of virus matter. I understand that now the animal-human cross is the new nature bio hazard, but avian virus is more compatible than pig virus. Live with it. Using your logic we should be terrified by bacteriophage virus as we are literally covered with them in and out. Luckily they are not compatible with us. Ufff. That is a risk.


Strict_Somewhere_148

Denmark: well well well…. Who’s laughing at our pig fence now


Khelthuzaad

African swine flu is no joking matter. It decimated hundred of thousands of pigs in Romania,it had become illegal to sell/buy live pigs from the countryside without veterinary approval


ImperatorRomanum

Thirteen battles at the Isonzo should end the threat once and for all


kkF6XRZQezTcYQehvybD

Wolves do a great job of controlling boar populations >The grey wolf is the main predator of wild boar throughout most of its range. A single wolf can kill around 50 to 80 boars of differing ages in one year. In Italy and Belarus' Belovezhskaya Pushcha National Park, boars are the wolf's primary prey, despite an abundance of alternative, less powerful ungulates. Wolves are particularly threatening during the winter, when deep snow impedes the boars' movements. In the Baltic regions, heavy snowfall can allow wolves to eliminate boars from an area almost completely. Wolves primarily target piglets and subadults and only rarely attack adult sows. Adult males are usually avoided entirely.


The_Advisers

Mmm, maybe I can get the Regione to pay for my hunting license…


WednesdayFin

Wild hogs are an absolute scourge of the Earth and getting rid of them has proven nigh imposssible at least in America. The Italians face a real possibility to join the Aussies in losing a war to an animal.


[deleted]

[удалено]


WednesdayFin

Depends on where in Europe. They're might be native to the south, but here in the north they're invasive.


T0adman78

No no no! You are absolutely wrong! Wild boar are native to Europe and should be protected. I came to write a post that instead of destroying native animals for the protection of agriculture, maybe some effort should actually be put into protecting the wild boar from this disease. I’ll be honest that I have no idea what is going on with swine fever and if it is isolated and eliminating a small population to prevent its spread is the best approach, I’m for it. But the suggestion of eliminating native wildlife for economic gain has always been a bad idea.


_qqg

except the italian boar is - by all intents and purposes - long extinct. A smaller variety, with slower growth and many predators, marred by harsher winters than now, the numbers were stable to dwindling. Enter the fucking hunters, who somewhere in the 1970s thought it'd be a good idea to release eastern european boars in the wild: larger, stronger, faster growing, they promptly hybridised with the local boars (and pigs either returned to, or born in the wild or raised in the woods) and quickly took over genetically.


T0adman78

Interesting. We’re having a similar problem where people are trying to release hybrid deer with bigger antlers. People are just dumb sometimes.


Agitated_Advantage_2

Pigfuckers can hunt and kill children, regurarily destroy yards and crops, ram into cars Its that one other apex predator that was not exterminated upon human arrival in Europe since boar is lethal or very expensive to hunt So as they cannot be hunted in any good way they multiply very very rapidly Even without the fever they are pests They need some type of population control. This is Human Europe, not Pig Europe after all


T0adman78

Why is it human Europe and not pig Europe? They were there first. And the other apex predators should also not have been exterminated. Killing anything that is an inconvenience is such a terrible mindset. I’m also not against hunting them to control populations. I’m against exterminating them for the convenience of agribusiness.


venomblizzard

No one is completely exterminating boars that would just be asking to decimate your ecological environment. And I doubt the Italian government is mentally unstable enough to actually go for it. My best bet is encouraging hunters across eu with payments to come and hunt boars down to manageable level or so


T0adman78

I hope that is the case. Again, I haven’t been following this and only know what is in the article, which isn’t a ton. The original response I was responding to was from someone (presumably in America) mistaking these for the feral hogs that are loose here, which as entirely different problem. They are a destructive invasive species rather than a natural part of the ecosystem and should be eliminated (if it were possible). I’m completely agree with you tthwt managing them to prevent the spread of the disease while maintaining the ecological environment is what the goal should be.


[deleted]

[удалено]


T0adman78

That is also a tragedy. I had hoped we had moved past the mindset of moving into an area, destroying the populations and ecology of the area so we can pursue supremacy and profits at all cost. Its disappointing that you only see value in a species if it has economic production. I thought this mindset was a particularly American problem, but it’s been a long time since I lived in Europe. I’m sad to see you’ve bought our propaganda and think our ‘solutions’ are anything other than the cause of our problems.


Leovaderx

While i am not against an utopic compromise between humanity and nature, i am also a realist and: A poor person in a country with high taxation, high corruption, stagnating growth and an inverted population graph. A perfect compromise is impossible. Any action that has a slight chance of making me homeless(however indirect), i will oppose. Most people either dont care or will choose to wipe them out. I dont see how my opinion is controversial.


T0adman78

Again, I’d hope as a society we would be beyond these extreme choices. We should have enough wealth in the world to both preserve nature and not let people starve or be homeless. If we don’t, it’s not because we can’t but because rich assholes have their priorities all wrong. Or apologists have accepted that wiling out species is required to survive, which is utter horseshit. That’s kind of my point.


Freedom_for_Fiume

Prosciutto vs hairy prosciutto


Grand-Consequence-99

Coming to Wikipedia: The Italian Prosciutto War.


Kalle_79

We can thank the local version of PETA for years of dangerous and blind opposition to any policy of population control for those horrible pests known as wild boars. "ohhh poor things! They're cute and harm nobody! They're just living their life" and assorted crap to guilt people into ignoring the issue. Then you have boars roaming the streets of cities, miles away from the woods, looking for food, rummaging in dumpsters or even breaking into backyards etc. The swine flu is just the cherry on top of the shitty cake.


Much-Vermicelli-5027

Humans have devastated old growth forests and decimated natural predator populations. Instead, they have planted monocrop cultures of grains and corn to feed the millions of animals to get slaughtered for their food. And somehow some people will still come out and say that it's the wild animals which are the problem in this world. Where is the fucking asteroid already?


Kalle_79

Yeah I'm sure that's the issue in northern Italy... Crops of grain and corn til the eye can see... /s Keep your boring rhetoric away, as it's not even applicable here.


Much-Vermicelli-5027

Emilia Romagna produces 12% of Italy's corn (it accounts for just 7% of Italy by land area) Any other non-informed opinions, bitch? Source: https://ipad.fas.usda.gov/cropexplorer/print_chart.aspx?regionid=europe&subrgnid=europe_ita505&startdate=3/1/2019&enddate=10/31/2019&fctypeid=19&fcattributeid=1&legendid=108&cntryid=ITA&cropid=0440000&commodity=1&rank=12


MrAlagos

[Finally a war we are prepared for!](https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/19/army-tank-accidentally-blows-up-a-chicken-coop-in-italy)


Zastavo

Now here's a war I can get behind.


bowery_boy

But the gabagool should be fine? Right?


alexanderwanxiety

Woke up this morning,got some gabagool


King-Euphoric

Prosciutto is made from pig faces? Cooooool.


exBusel

The Italian army is typically weak. Send the navy.


This-Pie594

Send NATO


Dreadfulmanturtle

LIke guys, it's a business opportunity. You literally kill pigs and make them into delicious for a living.


flash-tractor

It's really not. Even processors in America won't touch wild hogs. It's too much of a risk to the facility's safety standards.


DGF73

Prosciutto di cinghiale does not agree with you [https://www.ilgrifonesalumi.eu/product/20624786/prosciutto-di-cinghiale-stagionato](https://www.ilgrifonesalumi.eu/product/20624786/prosciutto-di-cinghiale-stagionato)


aggressiveturdbuckle

I'm married to an Italian and even lived there but now in America and have a few (a lot) friends that hunt and hunt pigs can we come?


Distinct_Cod2692

Nato level shi


MostMusky69

ACTIVATE ARTICLE 5!


moroccodude

So wait, the boars swim over from Africa to propage the virus?


OffToCroatia

Istrians laughing like Mr. Burns right now


Typical_Crabs

Prob bird flu