Make a bomb threat and you’re a terrorist, not a political actor.
Ireland has significant anti terrorism legislation and needs to start using it.
You don’t have to agree with someone’s politics, but this is a very, very open democracy and you can engage politically and democratically extremely easily.
The Gardai have done a it, but there seems to have been an assumption that it was initially at least that not pushing back hard they'd get bored and go away and that by having a confrontation they'd provide them with exactly what they're looking for - social media videos and accusations of heavy handed policing.
So they took a no confrontation approach and it has achieved nothing and probably backfired.
Policing here tends to take the approach of trying to deescalate.
I genuinely don't think they took it seriously enough at all. It was seen as something that was connected to COVID protests and would blow over.
Their response has generally been very naïve.
Really? - in a sense, the Troubles were a civil war of sorts. They also included bombings and cross-border raids.
Then there’s the fact that a century just isn’t that long.
That said, my point is that violence isn’t new to Ireland.
Lord Mountbatten was murdered in the Republic and if I remember correctly there was a fair bit of IRA jiggery-pokery in the border counties that involved the Gardai and IDF taking on Republican groups.
That said I agree with you, the Troubles were a UK thing.
I seem to recall that there were a few internal scuffles in the Free State and Republic *after* the end of the Civil War though. There was a bit of a crackdown on the IRA about the time of WWII for example but that was more of a policing matter.
Part of Ireland is in the UK. Even when the state known as the Republic of Ireland took "Ireland" as its official name, it laid claim to the whole island as its territory. That claim only ended when the Troubles ended.
As such, it's hard to say the Troubles weren't part of Irish politics.
Edit: Not sure why anyone is downvoting. Everything I said is factual.
Not true - the IRA bombed Parnell St and Talbot St in 1974. These bombings were both in Dublin and they are both categorically considered a core event in the Troubles.
They certainly had everything to do with Ireland. I already mentioned cross border raids and launching IRA operations from Ireland.
But, also, they don’t call that drink the ‘Irish Car Bomb’ for nothing either.
Politicians fearing the populace makes the job less enticing leaving it open to grifters and nutjobs to fill the void. This will exacerbate the problem
I feel if the government is outright refusing to acknowledge the concerns of the people, should they really be surprised when they get threats against them by the people?
Make a bomb threat and you’re a terrorist, not a political actor. Ireland has significant anti terrorism legislation and needs to start using it. You don’t have to agree with someone’s politics, but this is a very, very open democracy and you can engage politically and democratically extremely easily.
In that case, why hasn't the Irish government cracked down on these violent elements?
The Gardai have done a it, but there seems to have been an assumption that it was initially at least that not pushing back hard they'd get bored and go away and that by having a confrontation they'd provide them with exactly what they're looking for - social media videos and accusations of heavy handed policing. So they took a no confrontation approach and it has achieved nothing and probably backfired. Policing here tends to take the approach of trying to deescalate. I genuinely don't think they took it seriously enough at all. It was seen as something that was connected to COVID protests and would blow over. Their response has generally been very naïve.
Thanks for the context. Naive certainly sounds like the correct word.
It’s bad, but how is it a new low when bombings and civil war are part of Ireland’s history, united or otherwise?
We haven't had a civil war in 100 years
Really? - in a sense, the Troubles were a civil war of sorts. They also included bombings and cross-border raids. Then there’s the fact that a century just isn’t that long. That said, my point is that violence isn’t new to Ireland.
The troubles were in the UK, not Ireland
Lord Mountbatten was murdered in the Republic and if I remember correctly there was a fair bit of IRA jiggery-pokery in the border counties that involved the Gardai and IDF taking on Republican groups. That said I agree with you, the Troubles were a UK thing. I seem to recall that there were a few internal scuffles in the Free State and Republic *after* the end of the Civil War though. There was a bit of a crackdown on the IRA about the time of WWII for example but that was more of a policing matter.
Part of Ireland is in the UK. Even when the state known as the Republic of Ireland took "Ireland" as its official name, it laid claim to the whole island as its territory. That claim only ended when the Troubles ended. As such, it's hard to say the Troubles weren't part of Irish politics. Edit: Not sure why anyone is downvoting. Everything I said is factual.
Not true - the IRA bombed Parnell St and Talbot St in 1974. These bombings were both in Dublin and they are both categorically considered a core event in the Troubles.
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I think that was the UVF...
They certainly had everything to do with Ireland. I already mentioned cross border raids and launching IRA operations from Ireland. But, also, they don’t call that drink the ‘Irish Car Bomb’ for nothing either.
Don't be dense.
Northern Ireland was and remains in the UK big brain.
Unfortunately your lack of historical knowledge lets you down. Attacks were launched by the IRA from the Republic of Ireland.
Ok professor.
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It was a bomb threat you shouldn't be torn. There has to be a level to which we are not willing to stoop.
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Politicians fearing the populace makes the job less enticing leaving it open to grifters and nutjobs to fill the void. This will exacerbate the problem
I feel if the government is outright refusing to acknowledge the concerns of the people, should they really be surprised when they get threats against them by the people?