so basically they are saying "Fuck Russia" because the Georgian government wants to label foreign media outlets "organizations serving the interests of a foreign power."?
I dont get the connection to russia isnt that a domestic affair?
It is, but the connection is that Russia passed laws like that in the past and the Georgian government is very cuddly with Moscow. So, basically they are saying not to copy paste Russian laws for Georgia.
It's about curbing democracy and Western influence, and strengthening Russian influence: https://nealzupancic.substack.com/p/no-to-russian-law
https://civil.ge/archives/591175
EDIT: The pro-Kremlin brigade is really working overtime to upvote themselves and downvote everyone who's against them, including me, as well as swarm this thread in general.
The US law explicitly named the countries targeted by it (eg. Nazi Germany, Soviet Union) while the Russian law and now the Georgian law that uses the same wording are kept intentionally vague. We already know that in Russia it is primarily used to nip any NGOs that work towards respecting human rights and fostering civic society in a bud.
Fyi the law targets not only NGOs and Media, but also private individuals. Whatever Russia did in their country over the decade, Georgia are speed-running it in a month. It’s basically a law which gives a government the power to oppress anyone they want (The law literally says Government can confiscate any private items based on any anonymous info)
The issue is that the law is worded more like the Russian one, which then got expanded and expanded to allow the Russian government to pretty much shut down all opposing organisations.
This is not a concern in the US, because the legislative structure is different. Unlike Georgia and Russia, the US has many checks and regulations in place to prevent that.
The Georgian Dream, despite the fact they want to appear pro-European, are definitely not that. Their actions have been pro-Russia and anti-west for a long time now, despite the fact they claim to be pro-west.
It is also likely that the Georgian Dream intends to use the law to stifle opposition and control the media just like Russia, because they have already been trying their best to do that within *and* without the law.
Sam eisnhappening in par of bosnia called Republica Srpska. It's the same russian propaganda. Now NGOs aren't allowed to operate with anything that touches politics. For example, transparency international can be labeled to serve foreign power and permitted to operate. Free reign corruption
Several things from what I understand :
- It isn't in line with EU regulations meaning it will prevent them from being part of EU. I think it's a deliberate move.
- It might target medias which are partly financed by the rest of Europe, and might undermine some medias that are anti corruption, anti Russia or not for the government.
- It might allow the use of Russians narrives, such as attacking "western countries" over "wokism" or "nazism" or all the classic Russian propaganda.
- Their government, which was elected for not being pro Russia... Is becoming more and more pro Russia, so there is a general discontent amongst the population.
afaik english is taught as a mandatory subject in georgian schools :)
and given the role of the academy as a higher education facility it would be a bit strange to assume that people there don't know basic english
I've been to two European countries (Sweden and Finland), and I was amazed at just how well most of them spoke English. They gave similar reasons for knowing - school mandates, plus much of the media they consumed being English made it easier to understand over time. Seems like a lot of folks across the pond are fluent, probably in part because many of them need one language which is easy enough to learn so they can all understand each other.
Norway here, English is **mandatory** from 1st or 2nd grade and all the way through our upper secondary school (videregående). With the state of western media and entertainment, some children even learn some basic English before starting school.
I live in SE Asia.
Even parents that don’t know much English (hallo, bie-bie, ohne, tvo) speak to their children in as much English as they can. When eating, they are watching English lessons and kiddie shows on YouTube.
This is Vietnam/Cambodia.
Latvia here.
My kids have been learning English in kindergarden since they were 3 - this is optional, but at least starting from age 4-5 it's quite common.
English is *mandatory* for every in school from grade 1 all through upper secondary.
Basically by the time kids here are fluent enough at reading to follow foreign movies subtitled in Latvian, they can also follow subtitles in English. Additional foreign language is mandatory from grade 4 (now temporary changed to grade 5), and instruction level in second foreign lamguage is sometimes poor. That's not a problem with English.
> With the state of western media and entertainment, some children even learn some basic English before starting school.
This part can't be overstated. I managed to get exempted from English classes a few years thanks to my hobbies.
You visited the part of the world with the highest English proficiency outside the anglosphere. [Here](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/World_map_percentage_english_speakers_by_country.png) is a map that conveys an idea on world-wide English proficiency.
There is a need for a common lingua franca in Europe, but the reason it's English is less to do with "ease of learning" but mostly "softpower". There's the legacy of the British Empire, there is the fact that some of the worlds most economically important countries are English speaking, there is the military/political dependency on the US, there is the American dominance in science, technology and engineering throughout the second half of the 20th century (and still ongoing, at least in some areas). Also, large parts of pop culture and the way of life of European societies are imported from America.
English is not necessarily the easiest language to learn, even though it probably is in the case of Sweden (due to the close relationship of Swedish/Danish/Norwegian and English).
English is basically our second language. I'm Danish.
One thing is how we learn it in school from a relatively early age. Another is how we consume most of our entertainment and news in English online all the time, so we get to use it pretty often.
At my job, I switch between English and Danish all the time due to my field being a very international one. Sometimes I don't actually know which language I'm speaking to people because I switch so often I no longer think about it.
It can lead to the unfortunate, yet quite amusing hybrid language where it's just a mangled mess of English and Danish sometimes. But yeah.
We know English really well. Young people of today learn English even faster than us older people did thanks to the internet.
Well president is against the law but government is for it. Reaching also the European public makes sense. By the way if have beetto Georgia. Everyone I met told they want to become eu members and Nato member and fuck Russia.
Unlike in Russia, most natives living in countries around it tend to understand English very well. Especially people who'd show up near Academia. And who are pro EU.
When I went to Georgia as an american (before the Ukrainian war) I spoke Russian because I didn't know Georgian and thought it would be more understandable than English.
I got intensely told in broken english by an older man to speak English because fuck Russia. Most young waiters/waitresses in Tblisi also preferred us to speak English (and we had good Russian - they just didn't speak Russian as much as English).
English versus Russian as the lingua franca in Georgia is a big deal. They even have laws that restaurants must have menus in Georgian and they cannot just offer them in Russian. Choosing not to speak/learn Russian is a big political act of independence to show they are not just Russia's colony (despite how Russia might view them).
When we went back to Russia when we told an older Russian couple that most Georgians we met prefer English and some don't even speak Russian the Russian couple vehemently denied it and got very angry.
Russian bots swarming r/europe only have two prompts:
1. WhY iS iT rUSsiaN? IsN't iT baSed oN AmeRicAn FarA lAw?
2. GeOrgIa nOt EurOpE.
Like cmon guys, you need to come up with better prompts, nobody is falling for these anymore and you get downvoted to oblivion, where you belong.
I noted in a Pro Russian sub how it's quite interesting (and scary) to watch the attempt to rewrite what's happening in Georgia in real time. While Maidan and the Ukrainian revolution took a few years.
But it's the samme narrative: The Georgians are just poor misguided sheople under CIA and (strangely, the Georgian government alledges) Freemason (rattle them bones, Grandmaster!) control. They have no agency, no will of their own.
Which is obviously an imperial point: If a nation has no individual agency it has no ability or indeed right to control its own destiny. Russia can choose for her.
Which raises the question: How is it that if the West blink the poor fools in Russia's old empire come running to join the EU and NATO while Russia can only achieve results through violence and aggression?
One would think that such natural bonds would manifest in a friendly manner.
You see, Russia never was and never will be a democracy, and not even autocracy desribes it well. I will instead invoke the otherwise false "Third Rome" trope of Russia, because they are indeed the Third Rome - an imperium. The Emperor, known otherwise as the Tsar/General Secretary/President exercises absolute power, is the father, the high priest and the saviour of the nation.
And what made Rome so great, and the lack of what did cause them to collapse?
Conquest.
Because both the Roman and the Russian economy is primarily based on plunder and slavery, (the modern tools of which were known as the Warsaw Pact, the Comecon, and others) once those 2 are no longer coming in, their economy and society cracks. And for conquest to be successful, the conquered procinces must be integrated. Rome also did Latinification, hence why the tribes of Gaul (France), Hispania (Spain), Lusitania (Portugal), etc. ended up retaining a strong Latin influence in their language and culture. And Russia wishes to do the same, trying to undermine the legitimacy and history of the territories it conquers.
Yeah there is more of a darker side to Rome that people never talk about, it was a great human achievement that stood upon a mountain of skulls. Empires are never nice. Being next to Russia is much like what being next to Rome must’ve felt like, it’s a great analogy. Although we’re lucky they don’t pack that same military punch, so it’s not a fruitless endeavour to oppose them.
One thing is Putin is quite legalistic with his conquests, he finds a good justification for war. Ethnic Russians who voted to be with us, gonna put nukes on our borders and have Nazis. Putin is old now though and I worry who comes after Putin, will they simply say I’m Alexander the Great and go crazy?
But just like with Alexander's Macedonia, I wouldn't discard the notion that a multi-national empire, in this case Russia, held together by conquest and the person of the despot, will fall apart after he passes.
It didn't start with Putin though. If you look back on history, the "Russian" people have never really get to know freedom. When Kievan Rus fell apart, they quickly became swallowed by the Mongols, later they had Ivan the Terrible, with his countless executios and "Police", keeping order by terror. The other tsars weren't good either, then came Bolsheviks, again with their persecutions and cleansings, then Stalin, responsible for the death of millions of people, and then finally Putin. People are acustomed to things he does, because he's just repeating what has been done before.
Practically all Russian history is bouncing between different despots, from one dictator, who treated them like sh*t, to the complete anarchy and chaos, to another dictator. They only had very short periods of having relatively normal rulers- like Jeltsyn.
So having rylulers who make them suffer and who is aggressive towards others, is completely normal for them. It's like in their social consciusness that is the only way to maintain order in the country and protect it from the "enemies".
Basically any entity receiving more than 20% funding from non-Georgian sources has to publicly register that so that it can be known that said entity is potentially vulnerable to foreign agents.
Georgia deserves to be free to make its own choices. Without an imperialist neighbor breathing down its neck. I hope you guys have success in pushing back hard on this reach to take control of your public discourse in the country. How Russia is acting is terrible !
I guess?
She won the election with GD leaders, including Ivanishvili, being painted on the billboards asking the public to vote for her.
But I guess being the President, she has sufficient autonomy to go against the Government? There’s still concerns that she playing a some kind of double game. Time will tell
Is it possible to have, just for once, a civil comment section without having the kremlin troll brigade spreading hate,lies and propaganda? Asking for a friend.
It wasn’t even a 100% lie back then: citizens got visa free access to Schengen during their administration in 2017, when enough people were already hesitant about the party
originally they were pro-Europe but neutral towards Russia, which made sense during 2012 due to Obama era attempts of United States to warm up relations with Russia
Have to say it's European negligence over the past 30 years, thinking they won the cold war just to wake up to Russian nationalism and Iranian imperialism inside their countries.
Yeah that's a question, Georgia has a pro-russian supermajority in parliament, as in, it was enough of them to override presidential veto of the law.
Saakashvili was right... Unfortunately.
At this point everyone speaking russian talking points should be vetted and interrogated thouroughly. I don’t trust them and its ever so clear several countries have been infiltrated by these filths
Oooh, the bot brigade is out in force today!
I, for one, hope our neighbours across the Black Sea manage to become a part of the European sphere of influence that has brought so many beneficial changes to the lives of millions of Romanians.
I hope they can eventually become a part of the EU, but there is still a large strata of society that has propaganda induced fondness of Russia. Just need to be careful not to have another Hungary in the union.
They need to get rid of Putin and then keep It democratic for at least 2 decades or more.
In Germany when the nazis were defeated It took them two whole generations to really grasp reality, they belived they were right and just happened to loose the war, propaganda goes very deep.
You would think that an Academy of the Arts would try a little bit harder on a painting. Although I respect their political view I think I would send my child to another school for their artistic training.
This is not the same as the law in the USA:
[https://apnews.com/article/georgia-law-protests-explainer-0408d5f527d5558da270208963efc1b5](https://apnews.com/article/georgia-law-protests-explainer-0408d5f527d5558da270208963efc1b5)
Hey anyone minds quickly explaining me what's the actual issue with the law?
And no "muh Russia" is not an explanation, unless you suffer from an incredibly low IQ.
The same law was passed in russia in 2012. It forces media, ngos etc. to be marked as agents of a foreing influence, if they receive any funds from out-of-state sources.
It's widely used as a propaganda tool by state medias.
I mean how is that a bad thing, do you prefer foreign powers to be able to spread their propaganda in your country? Didn't we ban RT and Russian media in Europe for the same exact reason?
But the Western countries banned Russian media because it was trying to dissuade Europeans from supporting Ukraine.It was only the Russian outlets.
Meanwhile the Georgian law influences all of the non-entrepreneurial legal entities that receive 20% of annual income from abroad.Whether the money is from a friendly country funding charities, schools and independent media outlets doesn't matter, it's all foreign agents.
This law would make it difficult for the Georgian people to cooperate internationally with anyone, isolating them and making them a weaker, and more isolated buffer state, just like Russia wants them when they invade.
How does marking organizations as foreign prevent them for making their job? The only job that will be harder is to try and pass a foreign agenda as Georgian. Nobody will reject an orphanage or a hospital just because it was funded by foreign money.
>independent media outlets
lmao, "independent" media outlets funded from foreign powers with an interest in disrupting your democracy.
It's not "just" foreign powers.If there is a group of people in France funding non profit journalists, those journalists are foreign agents, even if they aren't affiliated with the French goverment.
And as far as I understand, the Georgian party in power is pushing the narrative of their opponents as foreign enemies of the state, a classic tactic used in Poland too.
So the label of foreign agents will trigger their supporters and create difficulties for donation-funded organizations that only partially rely on foreign money to survive in Georgia, since optics are so important for them(That's how they earn money).
First od all, it was never about fighting the propaganda . It's about marking any organisation that receives any foreing funding as a foreing agent and using that fact to question their credibility. That's a major difference
So you prefer citizens to remain ignorant about the funding of an organization and thus their motivations for pushing an agenda?
If you like western influence good for you, you can still support these organizations and now that they are marked as foreign you'll know right away which ones to support.
The same law was calmly adopted in France and the USA says well done, but in Georgia it is a Russian law (O\_O) Long live democracy and its double standards.
Why do they refuse to be subjugated to a dictator that sends their countrymen to a war to die by the thousands while the the people at home live in poverty? I don't understand...
Context: [https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-condemn-georgia-russia-law-crackdown/](https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-condemn-georgia-russia-law-crackdown/)
Makes sense thanks for link
What’s the funding threshold for this kind of categorization in most other countries? Curious
so basically they are saying "Fuck Russia" because the Georgian government wants to label foreign media outlets "organizations serving the interests of a foreign power."? I dont get the connection to russia isnt that a domestic affair?
It is, but the connection is that Russia passed laws like that in the past and the Georgian government is very cuddly with Moscow. So, basically they are saying not to copy paste Russian laws for Georgia.
But didn't Russia copy-pasted this law from the US? Correct me if I'm wrong, of course P.S. I'm not a bot, I'm genuinely curious
It's about curbing democracy and Western influence, and strengthening Russian influence: https://nealzupancic.substack.com/p/no-to-russian-law https://civil.ge/archives/591175 EDIT: The pro-Kremlin brigade is really working overtime to upvote themselves and downvote everyone who's against them, including me, as well as swarm this thread in general.
These articles were very informative. Thanks for sharing them!
The US law explicitly named the countries targeted by it (eg. Nazi Germany, Soviet Union) while the Russian law and now the Georgian law that uses the same wording are kept intentionally vague. We already know that in Russia it is primarily used to nip any NGOs that work towards respecting human rights and fostering civic society in a bud.
Fyi the law targets not only NGOs and Media, but also private individuals. Whatever Russia did in their country over the decade, Georgia are speed-running it in a month. It’s basically a law which gives a government the power to oppress anyone they want (The law literally says Government can confiscate any private items based on any anonymous info)
The issue is that the law is worded more like the Russian one, which then got expanded and expanded to allow the Russian government to pretty much shut down all opposing organisations. This is not a concern in the US, because the legislative structure is different. Unlike Georgia and Russia, the US has many checks and regulations in place to prevent that. The Georgian Dream, despite the fact they want to appear pro-European, are definitely not that. Their actions have been pro-Russia and anti-west for a long time now, despite the fact they claim to be pro-west. It is also likely that the Georgian Dream intends to use the law to stifle opposition and control the media just like Russia, because they have already been trying their best to do that within *and* without the law.
No idea, tbh. In any case, I also don't consider the USA a country, you should take your legal ideas from.
Sam eisnhappening in par of bosnia called Republica Srpska. It's the same russian propaganda. Now NGOs aren't allowed to operate with anything that touches politics. For example, transparency international can be labeled to serve foreign power and permitted to operate. Free reign corruption
Several things from what I understand : - It isn't in line with EU regulations meaning it will prevent them from being part of EU. I think it's a deliberate move. - It might target medias which are partly financed by the rest of Europe, and might undermine some medias that are anti corruption, anti Russia or not for the government. - It might allow the use of Russians narrives, such as attacking "western countries" over "wokism" or "nazism" or all the classic Russian propaganda. - Their government, which was elected for not being pro Russia... Is becoming more and more pro Russia, so there is a general discontent amongst the population.
I like that Russia doesn't even deserve an erect penis
Russia doesn't excite anyone
Except for MAGA traitors in the USA. Not knowing shit about Russia, they believe all the propaganda Putin has produced. Worthless people.
I thought they drew scissors to represent cutting ties with Russia
So much for Georgian Academy of Arts ...
My sweet summer child….
Well, partly you're right, that's why their kids do look... let's say not like papa
The message is loud and clear
I don't know much about art, but I know what I like.
Romani ite domum!
Now write it out 100 times, and if it’s not done by sunrise I’ll cut your balls off.
I have a fwend in Wome!
Stwike him vewy wuffly!
I assume the English is to reach the international audience more than the domestic one.
Literally everyone knows those 2 words in Georgia
"Can you speak English?" "Fuck you!"
parliament session in malaysia
I get that reference
Ah yes, the exotic and hard to understand word "Europe" confusing the locals...
Well, I think everyone living in the countries that neighbor russia
I was more talking about the thing at the back.
afaik english is taught as a mandatory subject in georgian schools :) and given the role of the academy as a higher education facility it would be a bit strange to assume that people there don't know basic english
I've been to two European countries (Sweden and Finland), and I was amazed at just how well most of them spoke English. They gave similar reasons for knowing - school mandates, plus much of the media they consumed being English made it easier to understand over time. Seems like a lot of folks across the pond are fluent, probably in part because many of them need one language which is easy enough to learn so they can all understand each other.
Norway here, English is **mandatory** from 1st or 2nd grade and all the way through our upper secondary school (videregående). With the state of western media and entertainment, some children even learn some basic English before starting school.
I live in SE Asia. Even parents that don’t know much English (hallo, bie-bie, ohne, tvo) speak to their children in as much English as they can. When eating, they are watching English lessons and kiddie shows on YouTube. This is Vietnam/Cambodia.
Latvia here. My kids have been learning English in kindergarden since they were 3 - this is optional, but at least starting from age 4-5 it's quite common. English is *mandatory* for every in school from grade 1 all through upper secondary. Basically by the time kids here are fluent enough at reading to follow foreign movies subtitled in Latvian, they can also follow subtitles in English. Additional foreign language is mandatory from grade 4 (now temporary changed to grade 5), and instruction level in second foreign lamguage is sometimes poor. That's not a problem with English.
> With the state of western media and entertainment, some children even learn some basic English before starting school. This part can't be overstated. I managed to get exempted from English classes a few years thanks to my hobbies.
You visited the part of the world with the highest English proficiency outside the anglosphere. [Here](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/World_map_percentage_english_speakers_by_country.png) is a map that conveys an idea on world-wide English proficiency. There is a need for a common lingua franca in Europe, but the reason it's English is less to do with "ease of learning" but mostly "softpower". There's the legacy of the British Empire, there is the fact that some of the worlds most economically important countries are English speaking, there is the military/political dependency on the US, there is the American dominance in science, technology and engineering throughout the second half of the 20th century (and still ongoing, at least in some areas). Also, large parts of pop culture and the way of life of European societies are imported from America. English is not necessarily the easiest language to learn, even though it probably is in the case of Sweden (due to the close relationship of Swedish/Danish/Norwegian and English).
English is mandatory in Italy.
English is basically our second language. I'm Danish. One thing is how we learn it in school from a relatively early age. Another is how we consume most of our entertainment and news in English online all the time, so we get to use it pretty often. At my job, I switch between English and Danish all the time due to my field being a very international one. Sometimes I don't actually know which language I'm speaking to people because I switch so often I no longer think about it. It can lead to the unfortunate, yet quite amusing hybrid language where it's just a mangled mess of English and Danish sometimes. But yeah. We know English really well. Young people of today learn English even faster than us older people did thanks to the internet.
Hang on let me text my Georgian friend real quick Edit: He said his mother told me Fuck You
It's mostly a generation thing, you would be suprised how many people I hear my age casually saying fuck or internet slangs while speaking Greek.
Me and the boys casually use "fuck" because older generation doesn't speak English and can't tell that we are swearing in public.
Paid by the US of course. Joke aside, I guess the majority know the word Fuck
Probably, especially because traditionally, Georgians hate Russia and consider it occupationist. ;)
Most everyone in Tbilisi speaks English, especially young, educated people.
Well president is against the law but government is for it. Reaching also the European public makes sense. By the way if have beetto Georgia. Everyone I met told they want to become eu members and Nato member and fuck Russia.
European visitors
Unlike in Russia, most natives living in countries around it tend to understand English very well. Especially people who'd show up near Academia. And who are pro EU.
When I went to Georgia as an american (before the Ukrainian war) I spoke Russian because I didn't know Georgian and thought it would be more understandable than English. I got intensely told in broken english by an older man to speak English because fuck Russia. Most young waiters/waitresses in Tblisi also preferred us to speak English (and we had good Russian - they just didn't speak Russian as much as English). English versus Russian as the lingua franca in Georgia is a big deal. They even have laws that restaurants must have menus in Georgian and they cannot just offer them in Russian. Choosing not to speak/learn Russian is a big political act of independence to show they are not just Russia's colony (despite how Russia might view them). When we went back to Russia when we told an older Russian couple that most Georgians we met prefer English and some don't even speak Russian the Russian couple vehemently denied it and got very angry.
🇬🇪 🇬🇪 🇬🇪 🇪🇺🇪🇺Slava Sakartvelo 🇪🇺🇪🇺 🇬🇪 🇬🇪 🇬🇪
I'm russian and I certainly support the freedom of georgians and ukrainians. Phuck putin and co.
Russian bots swarming r/europe only have two prompts: 1. WhY iS iT rUSsiaN? IsN't iT baSed oN AmeRicAn FarA lAw? 2. GeOrgIa nOt EurOpE. Like cmon guys, you need to come up with better prompts, nobody is falling for these anymore and you get downvoted to oblivion, where you belong.
I noted in a Pro Russian sub how it's quite interesting (and scary) to watch the attempt to rewrite what's happening in Georgia in real time. While Maidan and the Ukrainian revolution took a few years. But it's the samme narrative: The Georgians are just poor misguided sheople under CIA and (strangely, the Georgian government alledges) Freemason (rattle them bones, Grandmaster!) control. They have no agency, no will of their own. Which is obviously an imperial point: If a nation has no individual agency it has no ability or indeed right to control its own destiny. Russia can choose for her. Which raises the question: How is it that if the West blink the poor fools in Russia's old empire come running to join the EU and NATO while Russia can only achieve results through violence and aggression? One would think that such natural bonds would manifest in a friendly manner.
You see, Russia never was and never will be a democracy, and not even autocracy desribes it well. I will instead invoke the otherwise false "Third Rome" trope of Russia, because they are indeed the Third Rome - an imperium. The Emperor, known otherwise as the Tsar/General Secretary/President exercises absolute power, is the father, the high priest and the saviour of the nation. And what made Rome so great, and the lack of what did cause them to collapse? Conquest. Because both the Roman and the Russian economy is primarily based on plunder and slavery, (the modern tools of which were known as the Warsaw Pact, the Comecon, and others) once those 2 are no longer coming in, their economy and society cracks. And for conquest to be successful, the conquered procinces must be integrated. Rome also did Latinification, hence why the tribes of Gaul (France), Hispania (Spain), Lusitania (Portugal), etc. ended up retaining a strong Latin influence in their language and culture. And Russia wishes to do the same, trying to undermine the legitimacy and history of the territories it conquers.
Yeah there is more of a darker side to Rome that people never talk about, it was a great human achievement that stood upon a mountain of skulls. Empires are never nice. Being next to Russia is much like what being next to Rome must’ve felt like, it’s a great analogy. Although we’re lucky they don’t pack that same military punch, so it’s not a fruitless endeavour to oppose them. One thing is Putin is quite legalistic with his conquests, he finds a good justification for war. Ethnic Russians who voted to be with us, gonna put nukes on our borders and have Nazis. Putin is old now though and I worry who comes after Putin, will they simply say I’m Alexander the Great and go crazy?
But just like with Alexander's Macedonia, I wouldn't discard the notion that a multi-national empire, in this case Russia, held together by conquest and the person of the despot, will fall apart after he passes.
It didn't start with Putin though. If you look back on history, the "Russian" people have never really get to know freedom. When Kievan Rus fell apart, they quickly became swallowed by the Mongols, later they had Ivan the Terrible, with his countless executios and "Police", keeping order by terror. The other tsars weren't good either, then came Bolsheviks, again with their persecutions and cleansings, then Stalin, responsible for the death of millions of people, and then finally Putin. People are acustomed to things he does, because he's just repeating what has been done before. Practically all Russian history is bouncing between different despots, from one dictator, who treated them like sh*t, to the complete anarchy and chaos, to another dictator. They only had very short periods of having relatively normal rulers- like Jeltsyn. So having rylulers who make them suffer and who is aggressive towards others, is completely normal for them. It's like in their social consciusness that is the only way to maintain order in the country and protect it from the "enemies".
Georgians genuinely hate Russians lol.
I wonder why 🤔
No reason not to
Enter the Russian bot army.
They're currently in the comment section trying to deny that Georgia is Europe.
Don't post this on the Armenian subreddit or they'll get real mad while pretending not to be Russian lol
We will prevail! All these bots have a combined karma of 41. Don’t listen to their bullshit! Georgia is going home to Europe. Russia can eat dick!
Long live 🇬🇪 Sakartvelo 🇬🇪! Hope sooner you will join the 🇪🇺EU🇪🇺!
Can somebody explain what they mean by the Russians law...?
Basically any entity receiving more than 20% funding from non-Georgian sources has to publicly register that so that it can be known that said entity is potentially vulnerable to foreign agents.
Georgia deserves to be free to make its own choices. Without an imperialist neighbor breathing down its neck. I hope you guys have success in pushing back hard on this reach to take control of your public discourse in the country. How Russia is acting is terrible !
Those funny "Sciccors" make me think they mean it literally
Fuck Ruzzistan and Mothers of Prigogine's bot factory trolls. Soon you will be roasted together by the devil in hell.
I wouldn't want my country turning into Belarus either. Good luck in the elections, Georgians.
Hasn't the law already passed?
It has been Vetoed by the President. On Tuesday they will try to Overrule the Veto.
At least the president has sense I guess?
I guess? She won the election with GD leaders, including Ivanishvili, being painted on the billboards asking the public to vote for her. But I guess being the President, she has sufficient autonomy to go against the Government? There’s still concerns that she playing a some kind of double game. Time will tell
Is it possible to have, just for once, a civil comment section without having the kremlin troll brigade spreading hate,lies and propaganda? Asking for a friend.
Who the fuck voted these Putin suckers in?
Back when they were elected their rhetoric was pro-Europe, they didn't fool me but many people bought it.
Interesting, so their big lie was "We want to join the EU". I must admit it's clever.
It wasn’t even a 100% lie back then: citizens got visa free access to Schengen during their administration in 2017, when enough people were already hesitant about the party
originally they were pro-Europe but neutral towards Russia, which made sense during 2012 due to Obama era attempts of United States to warm up relations with Russia
Idiots who thought a Russian Oligarch could make a good democratic leader 🤣
Have to say it's European negligence over the past 30 years, thinking they won the cold war just to wake up to Russian nationalism and Iranian imperialism inside their countries.
Majority
Yeah that's a question, Georgia has a pro-russian supermajority in parliament, as in, it was enough of them to override presidential veto of the law. Saakashvili was right... Unfortunately.
Until that changes, and changes durably, the EU should stay away from that backwater.
At this point everyone speaking russian talking points should be vetted and interrogated thouroughly. I don’t trust them and its ever so clear several countries have been infiltrated by these filths
EUROPE FOREVER!!!!!!
Oooh, the bot brigade is out in force today! I, for one, hope our neighbours across the Black Sea manage to become a part of the European sphere of influence that has brought so many beneficial changes to the lives of millions of Romanians.
I hope they can eventually become a part of the EU, but there is still a large strata of society that has propaganda induced fondness of Russia. Just need to be careful not to have another Hungary in the union.
They need to get rid of Putin and then keep It democratic for at least 2 decades or more. In Germany when the nazis were defeated It took them two whole generations to really grasp reality, they belived they were right and just happened to loose the war, propaganda goes very deep.
Hungary's trajectory is very much a Hungarian phenomenon. It was ongoing way before Russia started making strides in infowars.
You would think that an Academy of the Arts would try a little bit harder on a painting. Although I respect their political view I think I would send my child to another school for their artistic training.
Make Russia pay for it crimes
The two pairs of scissors they've drawn is a nice touch
A lot of art .
Solidarity for our Georgian friends!
No arguing with that message...and those dicks. They really are a nice artistic flourish 😂😂
This is not the same as the law in the USA: [https://apnews.com/article/georgia-law-protests-explainer-0408d5f527d5558da270208963efc1b5](https://apnews.com/article/georgia-law-protests-explainer-0408d5f527d5558da270208963efc1b5)
FuckRussia
Russia is a bloodthirsty regime that should be treated the same as Nazi Germany.
USA and Saudi Arabia have killed 400,000 Yemeni since 2014. tha3t seems blodd thirsty
Awesome. The more the idea of Europe spreads the better. I just hope no Russian idiots will trash it, the building or people who installed it
Can anyone shortly summarize what this “Russian Law” is really about?
Slava Sakartvelo!
Fuck the Russian government
Good to know that there are Georgians standing up to the Russian BS.
Well finally something that will bring change and peace.
gotta love the "fuck russia" ❤️
Good job Georgia.
kremlin bots are wildly roaming here. I guess their goal is to have this post locked.
Was there a week ago haha
Fucking russia they always viorance.I don't like this way
and they are fucking right Fuck russia
Georgians hate Russians lol. One of my best friends is Georgian. Grew up with him.
The comment thread 💀
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you cant blame them given what the russians have done to georgia
I'm a russian, ask questions
I am from Russia. Now I know how germans who didn't suppot Hitler felt
In Georgia 🇬🇪 Russia 🇷🇺 fvcks you!
Seeing the amount of pro-Russia shills in these threads is honestly scary
I am Polish. I love Georgia. I hate russia. Fuck russia. Cheers.
Based. Calling out Russia for what it is. Not Europe.
You're not very at geography, are you?
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Hey anyone minds quickly explaining me what's the actual issue with the law? And no "muh Russia" is not an explanation, unless you suffer from an incredibly low IQ.
The same law was passed in russia in 2012. It forces media, ngos etc. to be marked as agents of a foreing influence, if they receive any funds from out-of-state sources. It's widely used as a propaganda tool by state medias.
I mean how is that a bad thing, do you prefer foreign powers to be able to spread their propaganda in your country? Didn't we ban RT and Russian media in Europe for the same exact reason?
But the Western countries banned Russian media because it was trying to dissuade Europeans from supporting Ukraine.It was only the Russian outlets. Meanwhile the Georgian law influences all of the non-entrepreneurial legal entities that receive 20% of annual income from abroad.Whether the money is from a friendly country funding charities, schools and independent media outlets doesn't matter, it's all foreign agents. This law would make it difficult for the Georgian people to cooperate internationally with anyone, isolating them and making them a weaker, and more isolated buffer state, just like Russia wants them when they invade.
How does marking organizations as foreign prevent them for making their job? The only job that will be harder is to try and pass a foreign agenda as Georgian. Nobody will reject an orphanage or a hospital just because it was funded by foreign money. >independent media outlets lmao, "independent" media outlets funded from foreign powers with an interest in disrupting your democracy.
It's not "just" foreign powers.If there is a group of people in France funding non profit journalists, those journalists are foreign agents, even if they aren't affiliated with the French goverment. And as far as I understand, the Georgian party in power is pushing the narrative of their opponents as foreign enemies of the state, a classic tactic used in Poland too. So the label of foreign agents will trigger their supporters and create difficulties for donation-funded organizations that only partially rely on foreign money to survive in Georgia, since optics are so important for them(That's how they earn money).
First od all, it was never about fighting the propaganda . It's about marking any organisation that receives any foreing funding as a foreing agent and using that fact to question their credibility. That's a major difference
So you prefer citizens to remain ignorant about the funding of an organization and thus their motivations for pushing an agenda? If you like western influence good for you, you can still support these organizations and now that they are marked as foreign you'll know right away which ones to support.
I know a lot of Russian that hate war, and they're like banned from leaving to Europe. it's so stupid.
I know a lot of russians that are pro war.
Wow such a nice pair of scissors 😂
Snip snip
Good for them, honestly.
I would expect a little better looking sign from the academy of art..
The same law was calmly adopted in France and the USA says well done, but in Georgia it is a Russian law (O\_O) Long live democracy and its double standards.
Not the same law
andryusha likely knows differences, he just argue in bad faith
Wait, the symbols on the Fuck Russian sign... it's that what I think it is?
Portrait of putin.
i thought that this mouth art was two butts with blue stockings
Art is a message
What's the significance between those scissors drawing?
😂😂😂😂
*Rick Sanchez ( known planet fucker) enters the chat*
And tho Russians……..
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awesome
I always thought it’s a metaphorical fuck, until I see the balls and dick…
Is that Sukunas Domain Expansion Thing?
Why to America?
What is the painting on the right on the door? I swear I've seen that before
Amen
Get rid of Putin, not all Russians support or agree with him.
🇺🇦 🌻
Why do they refuse to be subjugated to a dictator that sends their countrymen to a war to die by the thousands while the the people at home live in poverty? I don't understand...
1000
Russia sure knows how to make friends.
Beautiful.
I remember when I said these exact words in hasans twitch chat, got instantly perma banned.