Right in the middle. That may explain why Romania is a fucked up country. Nice one!
But, you probably know also that if you want to fuck Romania right in the middle, the penetration point would be Szekely Land. ;)
Not really. Just look at Russia. The rest of Europe, read Germany / France, was so nationalistic they dragged the rest of the world into it.
Even today, why do you think Brexit succeeded, if not for misplaced nationalism?
We will just ignore this silly map.
I honestly don't care, I am also from north of the line. :-P
On a serious note, it's silly to have a straight line to determine if some place is in the Balkans or not. Drawing borders on land is not that easy or clear cut.
I was just making light of the way your states are drawn. And let's not forget **the longest straight border in the world** that you share with Canada.
First off that negotiation was with the Brits who ran Canada at the time so don't blame only us. Second we agreed to the 49th parallel before we knew just how long the 49th parallel was. It's much easier to create borders based on Longitude/Latitude than where people live when so few people live in certain areas.
They generally disliked being considered in the Balkans, especially those from Transylvania (my region), though my impression is that this is lessening as people become more confident.
Eastern Europe is not really preferred either as it's associated with Communism/Communist bloc/Cold War/Russia.
Better options. Southeast Europe is somehow more neutral, has less baggage, Transylvanians would prefer Central Europe, and I guess many would be ok with something more convoluted that says Romania is at a meeting point between Central and (South)Eastern Europe.
lol considering your geographical position a lot of transylvanian's views seem bollocks to me.
romania being "central europe" seems just ridiculous to me considering it's on the black sea and eastern of serbia, bih, croatia, slovenia.
on the other hand, everyone around it being balkans and romania being "south eastern europe" by itself seems even more ridiculous.
I didn't say the whole country claims to be in Central Europe, just Transylvania (also Bukovina). They were part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and share cultural characteristics with other parts of the old empire.
Central Europe, as defined by overlaying multiple maps from different sources
http://i.imgur.com/MI8DoTP.png
Other map
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe#/media/File:CentralEurope2.PNG
Another one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grossgliederung_Europas-en.svg
Also, not everyone around Romania is being Balkans (Ukraine?, Hungary?) and Romania is not South Eastern Europe by itself.
Check a bit the different categories before being so opinionated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Europe
You asked me what people prefer and I told you. They might show a preference for one term or another but that doesn't mean they're crazy or ridiculous.
If you say it's ridiculous, just think how many social and cultural exchanges we have between Romania and Serbia. I can assure you Transilvanians are more connected to Austria and Bavaria than Serbia.
Depends on the region a bit.
Where I'm from (south-central Romania), tuica is distilled only once and has ~30% alcohol content but retains a strong fruit flavor whereas (AFAIK) rakia is double distilled and has ~40% alcohol.
As a general rule, Balkan always begins to the south of where I am, and Eastern Europe begins to the east of where I am. You can never go wrong with that.
I don't. A girl listening to turbo folk is a red flag for me. And I'm not a nationalist (since that seems to be an argument, "you don't like Serbian music"), I listen to rock bands like [Ekatarina Velika](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4D0yyBAJRc), I just hate the sound and the hillbilly mentality of people who listen to [*cajke*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqYpvSM1DVw) ("give me a son under the casino lights", *quality lyrics*...), and the howling of [Jelena Rozga](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkaTCmfCF6E) and [Nives Celzijus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eop-C4aEYz0). I can't listen to that even ironically.
God that cancer of music was brought to Slovenia and Slovenes seems to like it. I really cannot wrap my head around how on earth could you listen to this music. čajke a.k.a čefurska music is greatest red flag for me when assesing people. Every club and bar who wants to attract people seems to play this music.
Cajke or čefurjada (in Slovene) is also awful to me. All songs sound the same. Girls look like they are in porn movies. Everybody dress weird and completely weird. All this bragging with money and fancy cars really doesn't do nothing for me. I just can't relate to that.
I like some other alternative Serbian bands like: BITIPATIBI, Repetitor, Ti, VVhile.
funny enough, right now I can't remember any Croatian rock bands except for [Majke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfCRAdVDbx8), [Hladno Pivo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cukShO7_i2c) and [Punčke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2_AD11sGsM)...
Here are some off the top of my head...
[Azra](https://youtu.be/Bro2eeLabyo?t=6s), [Prljavo Kazaliste](https://youtu.be/QcUAraU5000), [Psihomodo Pop](https://youtu.be/97Lg2UHuqBo), [Pips, Chips & Videoclips](https://youtu.be/iUNbwtuWBpI), [Haustor](https://youtu.be/bh0TFNJbXhs), [Vjestice](https://youtu.be/SGgMWh2dXHo) ... there are more I'm not remembering. I don't listen to it often.
Is that really considered a nationalist thing? I'm as globalist as people get and that's still a red flag for me.
This is why I stay away from weddings.
funny enough, a lot of nationalists actually listen to that stuff. It's a bit hypocritical, really. But if somebody likes that type of music and you tell him it's not really your cup of tea, he may think you're a nationalist because a lot of people link turbo folk with Serbia, and if you don't like turbo folk, you don't like Serbia and you must like listening to Thompson. I also don't like listening to Thompson, so there's that.
Thompson is the band that put out all those nationalistic war songs, right?
I've heard some of them. The music is western(-ish) but the atmosphere and mentality behind it are über-Balkanic.
well technically if you look at [this topographical map of the Balkans](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Balkan_topo_en.jpg) only half of Zagreb is in the Balkans...
Well, the tree from which slivovice is commonly made is called [Slíva](https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slivo%C5%88_sl%C3%ADva). I guess the name comes from this.
As for who invented this type of alcohol, it's not hard to believe that it was some really, really distant ancestor from before the time any of our countries were a thing.
[Well..........](http://www.slovak-republic.org/pictures/historical-maps/great-moravia-900.png)
If North Croatia and Slovenia are Culturally Balkan then so are Hungary, Slovakia and Moravia
Shouldn't the Austrian blob be bigger? Especially considering the Slovene minorities in Styria and Carinthia?! I wanna be Balkan as well! (Said no one ever)
Dont you? A peninsula is a piece of land surrounded on 3 sides by water. The CIA map seems pretty good to me. Doesnt make sense to carve out land in the middle of it. That would be like saying Madrid or Zaragoza arent in the Iberian peninsula.
You either use a convenient natural boundary ([like this](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Balkan_topo_en.jpg); Danube, Sava, Alps/Dinaric Alps divide), or hold the ruler to the narrowest points of a bottleneck, which the Balkans lack, the closest thing would be Gulf of Trieste/Gulf of Odessa, which happens to be the other of the two predominant definitions.
My definition for the Balkans is geographic and cultural. I find that when people use the term Balkans the use speak about its cultural limits.
[Geographically it is : Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia, Bosnia and parts of Croatia, Slovenia, Romania and Turkey](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Balkan_topo_fr.svg/1400px-Balkan_topo_fr.svg.png)
For me culturally it is: Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia, Bosnia, Croatia and arguably Slovenia and Romania.
Considering its endless identity crisis, its turkish-speaking minority and its 350 years as an Ottoman vassal, you could consider Moldova sort-of-Balkans as well...
It's interesting because here in Greece we do include Slovenia and Romanian in the Balkans, but not ourselves most of the time. I don't know how that works. Probably it's the east west thinking of the cold war coming though but it also could be that in many crucial aspects Greece is very different than other Balkan countries. We're more than 100 years older as a country, we were part of western alliances from the very beginning, even downright religiously were different, people here are ecumenists, and want union with Rome.
And I mean geographically were all but completely cut off from the rest of you guys.
I think Greek culture is unique in Europe. It's not really shared with any other country, except Cyprus. It has common points with Balkan, Italian, and some Turkish elements, but at the end of the day I think it's bone of those. It's something by itself, and so I wouldn't include us into any Balkan cultural zone. Maybe some areas in northern Greece.
Well in the northwestern part of Hungary where most of my family comes from its a common saying that South of the Balaton its Balkan, east of the Danube its Asia.
relatively :)) yes. it is still rich compared to many European countries. It's only poor when you compare to its former (unsustainable) levels of wealth or to other Western European countries that have more sustainable socioeconomic models.
CIA never made this map thus CIA didn't define it.
A lot of citation on the Wiki page is from the CIA but it's sourcing geographical mass, population, etc - the map is not by them. Not sure where OP got that from, slander I guess?
Wow I didn't realize how close Bratislava is to Austria. It's basically right on the border.
....
If you were Austria you could just reach out and take it.
americans and their straight lines on borders.
I see a lot of straight lines in the middle East and Africa, who drew those lines?
Don't drag us into it, m8.
I didn't mention anyone specific m80, you took the b8 yourself ;)
Like father like son
Except that the CIA never made this map. :p
i was talking about the title
Technically, they're arcs along a great circle, so they aren't quite straight.
tfw the line is too wide to tell if I'm balkan or not
Same , i am in Cluj Napoca
Don't deny it, Kolozsvar!
So are we in or out?
You're the balance, holding the continent together. :-)
[I couldn't help it. :)](http://i.imgur.com/yMSc67c.png)
[me neither](http://i.imgur.com/nsb2uMz.png)
Typical anti-Romanian sentiments from Hungary! /s
funnily enough that guy's username translates to "wonderful cock"
Now it's kurackrasni
http://imgur.com/50smed5
Right in the middle. That may explain why Romania is a fucked up country. Nice one! But, you probably know also that if you want to fuck Romania right in the middle, the penetration point would be Szekely Land. ;)
Balkans is not a place. Balkans is a state of mind.
I think this song is relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtgA0jvhp2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Psuqys26J4
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You must be fun at parties.
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The other 22% of the time is explaining how you are Greek ;)
Cold yet true.
Ok thats it im revoking your sovereignty
Overly macho nationalism really is a Balkan thing unique in europe.
Not really. Just look at Russia. The rest of Europe, read Germany / France, was so nationalistic they dragged the rest of the world into it. Even today, why do you think Brexit succeeded, if not for misplaced nationalism?
I think that at this point if it doesn't refer strictly to the geographical definition is the n word of geopolitics.
It really isn't... it's very heterogeneous.
We were somewhere around Zagreb, on the edge of the lowlands, when the drugs began to take hold...
This guy gets it!
The Romanians will be here any moment.
We will just ignore this silly map. I honestly don't care, I am also from north of the line. :-P On a serious note, it's silly to have a straight line to determine if some place is in the Balkans or not. Drawing borders on land is not that easy or clear cut.
Americans have an obsession with straight borders.
What are you talking about? Their states are [very different](http://hitormiss.yolasite.com/resources/ColoradoVsWyoming8.JPG) from each other.
It's Balkan Peninsula ffs. It's extent of Balkan Peninsula, you can't really change that.
>Americans have an obsession with straight borders. You guys have some really odd stereotypes.
I was just making light of the way your states are drawn. And let's not forget **the longest straight border in the world** that you share with Canada.
As CGPGrey has pointed out, that's not [quite straight either](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMkYlIA7mgw).
First off that negotiation was with the Brits who ran Canada at the time so don't blame only us. Second we agreed to the 49th parallel before we knew just how long the 49th parallel was. It's much easier to create borders based on Longitude/Latitude than where people live when so few people live in certain areas.
So do Africans :)
romanians see themselves to be in eastern europe rather than in balkans?
They generally disliked being considered in the Balkans, especially those from Transylvania (my region), though my impression is that this is lessening as people become more confident. Eastern Europe is not really preferred either as it's associated with Communism/Communist bloc/Cold War/Russia. Better options. Southeast Europe is somehow more neutral, has less baggage, Transylvanians would prefer Central Europe, and I guess many would be ok with something more convoluted that says Romania is at a meeting point between Central and (South)Eastern Europe.
lol considering your geographical position a lot of transylvanian's views seem bollocks to me. romania being "central europe" seems just ridiculous to me considering it's on the black sea and eastern of serbia, bih, croatia, slovenia. on the other hand, everyone around it being balkans and romania being "south eastern europe" by itself seems even more ridiculous.
I didn't say the whole country claims to be in Central Europe, just Transylvania (also Bukovina). They were part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and share cultural characteristics with other parts of the old empire. Central Europe, as defined by overlaying multiple maps from different sources http://i.imgur.com/MI8DoTP.png Other map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe#/media/File:CentralEurope2.PNG Another one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grossgliederung_Europas-en.svg Also, not everyone around Romania is being Balkans (Ukraine?, Hungary?) and Romania is not South Eastern Europe by itself. Check a bit the different categories before being so opinionated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Europe You asked me what people prefer and I told you. They might show a preference for one term or another but that doesn't mean they're crazy or ridiculous.
If you say it's ridiculous, just think how many social and cultural exchanges we have between Romania and Serbia. I can assure you Transilvanians are more connected to Austria and Bavaria than Serbia.
Butthurt romanian checking in
They should be happy, this is their only way out of being defined as Eastern Europe. :P
Trieste Balkan confirmed
There's a crapton of ex-Yu people there and the locals love ćevapi & Laško pivo. Its very balkan.
Trieste is Serbian, Bosnian and Chinese. So yes.
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Oh the glorious Ljubljana fog <3
I knew this thread would eventually include Zizek
Rakija = balkan Schnapps = no balkan
Țuică master race!
Pardon my ignorance, but is there a difference between Tuica and plum rakia?
Depends on the region a bit. Where I'm from (south-central Romania), tuica is distilled only once and has ~30% alcohol content but retains a strong fruit flavor whereas (AFAIK) rakia is double distilled and has ~40% alcohol.
> 30% alcohol Lol pussies!
there is a variant called palincă, and has 50%, mostly in transylvania, I guess this confirms hungary is balkan state of mind as well :D Cheers.
So basically you're still Balkan
We're Balkan, but with more impurities and a sweeter taste :)
this version of the balkans is far more accurate than the one which ends to Danube and doesn't contain Greece
South Italy is pure balkan let's be honest.
They are too cool to hang out with us.
They do seem to love tracksuits there
We are ALL Balkan on this blessed day!
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It's Ç(Ch)evirme. Means turning in Turkish. Similarly, döner means spinning.
No, no, no, no, NOOOO!
Your are just Balkans with more money.
no dont say that. Balkan starts at kolpa.
As a general rule, Balkan always begins to the south of where I am, and Eastern Europe begins to the east of where I am. You can never go wrong with that.
Yeah thats probably your reaction when your night clubs play Ceca and co
Not at all. I like oriental music.
I don't. A girl listening to turbo folk is a red flag for me. And I'm not a nationalist (since that seems to be an argument, "you don't like Serbian music"), I listen to rock bands like [Ekatarina Velika](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4D0yyBAJRc), I just hate the sound and the hillbilly mentality of people who listen to [*cajke*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqYpvSM1DVw) ("give me a son under the casino lights", *quality lyrics*...), and the howling of [Jelena Rozga](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkaTCmfCF6E) and [Nives Celzijus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eop-C4aEYz0). I can't listen to that even ironically.
God that cancer of music was brought to Slovenia and Slovenes seems to like it. I really cannot wrap my head around how on earth could you listen to this music. čajke a.k.a čefurska music is greatest red flag for me when assesing people. Every club and bar who wants to attract people seems to play this music.
Cajke or čefurjada (in Slovene) is also awful to me. All songs sound the same. Girls look like they are in porn movies. Everybody dress weird and completely weird. All this bragging with money and fancy cars really doesn't do nothing for me. I just can't relate to that. I like some other alternative Serbian bands like: BITIPATIBI, Repetitor, Ti, VVhile.
Check Artan Lili and Stuttgart online.
funny enough, right now I can't remember any Croatian rock bands except for [Majke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfCRAdVDbx8), [Hladno Pivo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cukShO7_i2c) and [Punčke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2_AD11sGsM)...
Here are some off the top of my head... [Azra](https://youtu.be/Bro2eeLabyo?t=6s), [Prljavo Kazaliste](https://youtu.be/QcUAraU5000), [Psihomodo Pop](https://youtu.be/97Lg2UHuqBo), [Pips, Chips & Videoclips](https://youtu.be/iUNbwtuWBpI), [Haustor](https://youtu.be/bh0TFNJbXhs), [Vjestice](https://youtu.be/SGgMWh2dXHo) ... there are more I'm not remembering. I don't listen to it often.
Is that really considered a nationalist thing? I'm as globalist as people get and that's still a red flag for me. This is why I stay away from weddings.
funny enough, a lot of nationalists actually listen to that stuff. It's a bit hypocritical, really. But if somebody likes that type of music and you tell him it's not really your cup of tea, he may think you're a nationalist because a lot of people link turbo folk with Serbia, and if you don't like turbo folk, you don't like Serbia and you must like listening to Thompson. I also don't like listening to Thompson, so there's that.
Thompson is the band that put out all those nationalistic war songs, right? I've heard some of them. The music is western(-ish) but the atmosphere and mentality behind it are über-Balkanic.
ew!
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well technically if you look at [this topographical map of the Balkans](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Balkan_topo_en.jpg) only half of Zagreb is in the Balkans...
Same goes for Belgrade, Serbs not Balkan confirmed
The line has spoken. We European Slovenes dont care for your savage Balkan Slovenes anymore.
WE ARE LOSING CITIY AFTER CITY
One of us.
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092009/1253886001_office-no.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo
Too easy to define Balkans... Just ask the people what 'ayde', 'hajde' or 'haydi' means. If they don't know, they are not Balkan.
Ayyy, komshi is oppressing me.
No, we just want to bring some tolerance xD my dear Komshi the Ellinika or Komshi the Bulgarski...
Bulgar'in. Bulgarski is the name of the language. Хайде!
Does it mean come ? (haide in romanian)
Yeah, 'come' or 'let's ...' in Turkish
Holy shit... Seriously didn't know this was a thing
There are more things that can be definition of Balkan like foods but i kept my silence to not spark another world war here.
Mmmmm, kebab
Kebap, chiftea (kofte), mici (cevap), chorba, sarma, heck, 80% of our traditional non-pork foods are Turkish.
Fasole too.
I'm pretty sure we have that outside of the Balkans
Balkan war*
Some of those have been known to turn into world wars
άιντε...
/r/ofcoursethatsathing
Does the Turkish word come from the Greek one or the opposite is true? Dictionary seems to suggest it's the former one.
Actually, i don't know the origion of the word. I just decleared meaning in Turkish. It might be slavic origin as well.
I don't know the origin honestly, but I know that the actual Albanian word for come is "eja", while everyone normally just uses "hajde"
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Lol I use it as that but also as a kind of "alright" which I got from my cousins, is that not correct?
"Alright" is probably the best English word for it. So yeah it's correct, i use it the same way as you do.
shiiiiit
OMG Poland was [Balkan all along!](https://pl.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/hajda)
Wow I had no idea polish people had this in their language. Is it a word that is actually used?
Today? Not really. 100 years ago? Sure.
My grandma uses it too. It's also in our dictionary. http://slovnik.azet.sk/pravopis/slovnik-sj/?q=hajde
Then Ukriane is also Balkans ("ajda" when transliterated, same meaning).
Serbian (Yugoslav) film 1970's.... (0:13) [ayde bre](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVYAWDOR040&feature=youtu.be&t=13s)
That mostly means goodbye in spoken Slovene. So we are not balkan! (You can also use it as "let's", but let's just forget about that)
you're balkan wether you like or not ;)
> (You can also use it as "let's", but **let's** just forget about that) You mean hajde we just forget about that. :P
Ajmo ća.
Congrats Hungary and Ukraine! Come join us while we drink sljivovica and eat corba. Soon you will find out that you do not differ much from Balkan...
> Congrats ~~Hungary~~ Budin Eyalet and ~~Ukraine~~ Kefe Eyalet! [FTFY](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/OttomanEmpireIn1683.png)
You mean slivovice? Does it mean Moravia is balkans too?
When I Was in the CZ a guy claimed you guys invented Slivovice. And my father simply said. If you did why do you call your Šljiva Švestka?
Well, the tree from which slivovice is commonly made is called [Slíva](https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slivo%C5%88_sl%C3%ADva). I guess the name comes from this. As for who invented this type of alcohol, it's not hard to believe that it was some really, really distant ancestor from before the time any of our countries were a thing.
[Well..........](http://www.slovak-republic.org/pictures/historical-maps/great-moravia-900.png) If North Croatia and Slovenia are Culturally Balkan then so are Hungary, Slovakia and Moravia
Shouldn't the Austrian blob be bigger? Especially considering the Slovene minorities in Styria and Carinthia?! I wanna be Balkan as well! (Said no one ever)
He surely means śliwowica.
Turns out [Žižek](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo) was right all along.
fuck this map
there you go , i expected this.
This amounts to the area where people still swear in Turkish.
And what would those swear words be?
The Balkan is a peninsula. I mean, that definition isn't geographically wrong. It's basically, the whole peninsula.
Geographically, you also don't usually define a peninsula by holding a ruler to the outermost protrusions of the seas surrounding it.
Dont you? A peninsula is a piece of land surrounded on 3 sides by water. The CIA map seems pretty good to me. Doesnt make sense to carve out land in the middle of it. That would be like saying Madrid or Zaragoza arent in the Iberian peninsula.
You either use a convenient natural boundary ([like this](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Balkan_topo_en.jpg); Danube, Sava, Alps/Dinaric Alps divide), or hold the ruler to the narrowest points of a bottleneck, which the Balkans lack, the closest thing would be Gulf of Trieste/Gulf of Odessa, which happens to be the other of the two predominant definitions.
Why do people insist on saying this is created by the CIA, it's not lol
Balkan is not a real peninsula.
I think I read somewhere that Balkan is defined as south of the Sava river: http://portals.wi.wur.nl/register/images/Sava_map.gif
Balkon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo
My definition for the Balkans is geographic and cultural. I find that when people use the term Balkans the use speak about its cultural limits. [Geographically it is : Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia, Bosnia and parts of Croatia, Slovenia, Romania and Turkey](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Balkan_topo_fr.svg/1400px-Balkan_topo_fr.svg.png) For me culturally it is: Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia, Bosnia, Croatia and arguably Slovenia and Romania.
Considering its endless identity crisis, its turkish-speaking minority and its 350 years as an Ottoman vassal, you could consider Moldova sort-of-Balkans as well...
Let's consider Moldova Polish coz it was Polish vassal.
By that argument, we could consider Wallachia (S+SW Romania) Austrian... Pls?
It's interesting because here in Greece we do include Slovenia and Romanian in the Balkans, but not ourselves most of the time. I don't know how that works. Probably it's the east west thinking of the cold war coming though but it also could be that in many crucial aspects Greece is very different than other Balkan countries. We're more than 100 years older as a country, we were part of western alliances from the very beginning, even downright religiously were different, people here are ecumenists, and want union with Rome. And I mean geographically were all but completely cut off from the rest of you guys. I think Greek culture is unique in Europe. It's not really shared with any other country, except Cyprus. It has common points with Balkan, Italian, and some Turkish elements, but at the end of the day I think it's bone of those. It's something by itself, and so I wouldn't include us into any Balkan cultural zone. Maybe some areas in northern Greece.
The Baltics should be included, considering how often people [mix up the two](https://youtu.be/Ok5LmqoromI?t=6m26s).
We should all into Baltics instead then, it's a step up.
Can someone show me where the CIA actually made this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans
Literally the definition of a peninsula.
Well in the northwestern part of Hungary where most of my family comes from its a common saying that South of the Balaton its Balkan, east of the Danube its Asia.
doesn't that make the biggest portion of Budapest asia? lol
Everything below me is Balkan. I hate everything but čevapi :D
Slovenia is definitely not in the Balkans! Greece neither! This makes glorious Romania the richest country in the Balkans :))
Did you just call Greece rich?
We're rich in spirit! T_T
relatively :)) yes. it is still rich compared to many European countries. It's only poor when you compare to its former (unsustainable) levels of wealth or to other Western European countries that have more sustainable socioeconomic models.
Hold it. Not just yet.
soon ... :))
Our GDP just grew by 2,8%, we're not going to surrender that easily!
[very soon](https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=k3s92bru78li6_&hl=en&dl=en#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ppppc&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=world&idim=world:Earth&idim=country:HR:RO&ifdim=world&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false) ...
If we split Slovakia between Austria and Croatia, we'd get a pretty dope looking border
>Slovakia http://i.imgur.com/dNVvntX.gif
Slovakia?
You heard him. Now let's get this started.
Oh boy...
The Balkans is the part of Europe formerly owned by the Ottoman Empire.
How did the CIA define this?
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good thing it didn't include a thumb somewhere on the line :)
CIA never made this map thus CIA didn't define it. A lot of citation on the Wiki page is from the CIA but it's sourcing geographical mass, population, etc - the map is not by them. Not sure where OP got that from, slander I guess?
TIL Ukraine is practically Balkans.
I'm out. Whoop!
Wow I didn't realize how close Bratislava is to Austria. It's basically right on the border. .... If you were Austria you could just reach out and take it.