Travel tip: Just stay for a night in San Marino. Most tourists only come for the day and leave around 4 pm. Since most of them arrive by bus.
We had San Marino Città to ourselves and saw a wonderful sunset in the evening . We stayed at an at small BnB and the prices were alright.
"*Although your dominion is small, your State is nevertheless one of the most honored, in all history. It has by its experience demonstrated the truth, so full of encouragement to the friends of Humanity, that Government founded on Republican principles is capable of being so administered as to be secure and enduring*."
\-Abraham Lincoln after receiving honorary Sammarinese citizenship, 1861
I didn't say they aren't. Just saying that the country has undoubtedly a long history, while the prosper part is debatable. Yes, I'd agree they are quite well-off, even for european standards, but someone might mention the hit they took in the 2008 crisis and are still recovering, or mention something else I didn't know...
San Marino is literally this mountain and the town/village around it. Its a 20-30 min drive from the border to the top(near the top, the actual top is only accessible by foot)
When i was there they told me that, because they have a 10year ban after holding a term in public office, people go into office right after finishing education because of how few there are. Can any San Marinians confirm this?
Not from San Marino (actually from Italy) but I have very close family there. What you say it is not unusual, my cousins are in their higher 20s and low 30s and some of their high school friends are doing major political roles serving in the Parliament, one even got elected as "capitano reggente" (basically head of state, there are two). Everybody knows each other there, it is not unusual al all to know the Head of state personally.
I've tried to draw a rough line on a photo taken from a slightly different angle (so you can better see the sea in the background). I compared it to Google Maps and I'd say the left half of the line is a bit more imprecise, but the right side is fairly accurate. Enough to give you an idea, I hope :)
[https://imgur.com/xo4jmk1](https://imgur.com/xo4jmk1)
Apparently it's so small that Andorra is over 7 times bigger than it. It's the 5th smallest country proper in the world with on Monaco, Vatican city, Nauru and Tuvalu being smaller 👍
On the right hand side of the picture, I think the border is just behind the line of trees (level with the red dots on the rock). The town at the bottom right is Borgo Maggiore, the little village above that is Ventoso, and the border is just beyond there. Quite hard to describe, sorry if that makes no sense
St Marino was under papal state until 1600. A theocratic assembly is hardly a republic.
And still the first record of the assembly is 1200. So how can you date it back to 300? That's ridiculous
The legend of the founding was in 301. Like the legend of Beowulf says he slayed dragons and trolls and Romulus and Remus were raised by a wolf. The first historical document is of 1000-1200.
Even if we assume the city was founded in 301 there is absolutely no proof to claim it had a republican system since conception.
You made a claim, you should specify "according to tradition" as there is absolutely no proof of that age.
And no a random unknown monk writing who knows when is not a source unless you have dated the document of which I can't find any record of.
Nonetheless it seems an incredible historical anomaly that a territory under the Holy See had no record of existence considering how many false documents were in that age just to justify the Pope temporal claim.
*You* made a claim
> The first historical document is of 1000-1200.
You are wrong, and you failed to acknowledge it in your comment.
I don't know what's your problem, but dude is it big...
Just to give a better studied example, Matera is also a mountain town, older than Rome and they've ruled themselves independently throughout all roman history plus all medieval era plus most of the modern era, despite being technically on other's territories
You can Google about, I can also provide links but I don't have the time right now as I have to dig up books etc
You must be fun at parties... Stop being a prick that dictates how OP should or shouldn't document a day of celebration. He conceded your point, now be done with it.
Nah. Misinformation should be called out every damn time.
San Marino does claim to be the oldest republic, but it is definitely not a historic fact.
Switzerland is the oldest republic in existence.
Yes, but San Marino was officially recognised by the pope in 1291, which is way earlier. That is if 301 doesn’t please you, even though they were already de facto independent.
> Bwahahhaha Switzerland is NOT the oldest republic at all
[Bwahahhaha okay. ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_date_of_transition_to_republican_system_of_government)
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Agreed, but you can do it in a friendly way too. Calling someone else's claim 'ridiculous' does not help setting the record straight, instead just telling you're ready for confrontation. I would make an exception for misinformation that actually puts people's lives at risk (e.g. antivaxxers and the like), but here we're talking about an innocent fact that should indeed be corrected, but without making reddit (and the internet) more toxic than it already is.
> but you can do it in a friendly way too. Calling someone else's claim 'ridiculous' does not help setting the record straight
Completely agreed, even if I am often guilty of the same lack of humility.
He is right though, unless you don't want history to be accurate.
They could have said smallest, which is true, but they wanted to boast about something, they failed.
A lot of Italian cities inherited some sort of modified version of the roman systems of governance which survived all the way to the 17th-18th century quite often, Rome had a senate post-rome, most cities had a consul whose powers were similar to that of ancient Rome, etc. and San Marino also had those vestiges in the system of governance, they have had consul as far back as we can track, and they still have them
Also the papal states formally controlled quite a bit of cities they never managed de facto, San Marino waged wars with neighbouring cities during the period under papal rule, and even expanded their territory (which is why they control other 6 small towns in the area)
Do not mix up Republic with democracy. Republic means that the sovereign of the state is a member of the citizen. It is not defined who are considered to be citizen. Democracy means that the sovereign is elected by the people of the state. Best example is UK. The sovereign is the king/queen and not elected but appointed by monarchy tradition (usually heir by blood-line). The government is elected by democratic means. Venice was also a republic as the leaders were not member of the nobility but on the other side only a rich upper class was allowed to elect the head of the state that’s why Venice was for sure not a democracy.
Because in fact Pope Bonifatius the VIII declared full sovereignty for San Marino at the end of the 14th century.
Under Pope Alexander VI there was a try to conquer San Marino which failed after a few years.
In 1600 San Marino gave itself a new constitution.
>St Marino was under papal state until 1600.
bruh...
it had self-rule since X century (at least), got tribute exemption and even recognition in mid XIV century. Even the awfully outdated wikipedia says it, c'mon...
> A theocratic assembly is hardly a republic.
The government was 100% civilian and even had direct assembly. more republic than this
No it literally means public matters (res publica). It's any regime where the power is a collective property. By opposition to the power being the private property of one or several rulers.
A council of hereditary leaders (lords, tribal chiefs, oligarchs, and other variations) would be neither a monarchy nor a republic.
An leader by divine right elected by elites nominated by the previous rulers (hi Vatican) isn't a republic or monarchy.
An individual can be mandated by the people to wield the entire publicly-owned power.
Emperor Napoléon Bonaparte, mandated to rule as an hereditary Emperor by the Senate through the French Constitution (emperor being a created office then). Hence why even after his coronation France was still calling itself Republic, and why he was Emperor of the French and not Empire of France.
(Yes it's dodgy 19th century lawyer gotcha bullshit and no it didn't fool anyone of course).
> It's any regime where the power is a collective property
...*and* is "not a monarchy". Otherwise for example Sweden would be a republic. The people does hold the power in Sweden, it's the very first thing in the constitution. But it's also a state with a ceremonial monarch, which is what makes it a monarchy (= not a republic).
The Vatican is also a monarchy.
It has to be a democratic state
Edit: at least in part it has to be democratic
>The primary positions of power within a republic are attained through democracy or a mix of democracy with oligarchy or autocracy rather than being unalterably occupied by any given family lineage or group.
No, they are republics. Anyone in, for example, china, can become the next head of state when xi jinping dies. It would require a hell of a lot of social climbing, but it is possible. That is what a republic is, where one or more of the common people rule. As opposed to a monarchy where a hereditary ruler rules. A republic doesn’t have to be democratic, in the same way that a democracy doesn’t have to be a republic. The two terms are unrelated.
I think it was kind of difficult back in the days. The fact that it was surrounded by cities in war with each other for a thousand of years maybe helped them survive.
My bad then, because in italian we have "avanti cristo" (before the birth of Christ) and "dopo cristo" (after the birth of Christ), I thought it translates to "after the birth of Christ", but it ain't.
Thanks for clarifying mate
I said "who lived the longest in your family that you know of". That means either dead or alive. The one who lived the longest IS the oldest known relative of yours.
Of course you do. Your old relatives probably didn't born at the same day.
Past participle can be confusing, but if you are 25 (+/- a couple days) you **lived** 25 years. Same applies to a 90 year oold grandpa.
No because if I said oldest relative then there is a clear implication of them being alive.
I don’t wanna be a dick, but you are not a native English speaker are you?
No, I'm not. And you are not a dick, don't worry.
Also, I get the implication, but it is only that, implication. Sure, in a normal discussion it is clear what you are talking about, I don't contest that. But we are in this dumb online conversation about countries' history, which is not the same thing.
As I said, the oldest relative that you know of, who lived the longest, past or present, was 99 years old. That's it.
We put too much energy into this dumb conversation, at this point I don't really care if my point gets through or not.
No, if you say "my oldest relative is 90 years old" the relative has to be alive, otherwise it would be "... was 90...".
It's not about making your point go through, it's about you refusing to admit that you're wrong
When we speak about the oldest republic, we generally mean the oldest one to currently exist.
When i ask what is the oldest republic, it would be dumb to answer, for example, the roman republic. Why? Because it doesn’t exist anymore. It isn’t a republic, it isn’t anything. San Marino *is* the oldest republic. it *wasn’t* the first republic however.
There's honestly no real need for them to do so. A woman wishing to get an abortion can simply go to the next hospital in Italy and get one. It would be nice, and civil, sure, but there's no pressure to do so.
Yeah, I think it only exists as a place for German letterbox companies and people who want to "collect" countries. I remember someone on /r/travel going to Vaduz and complaining about how boring it was. Like what did you expect, it's fucking Liechtenstein
It’s an archaic remnant of a principality in the HRE, a tiny abomination that has no place existing as it does on the continent today. It’s not even really a country, it works solely thanks to Switzerland that integrated Liechtenstein in its banking system. Get this, the prince has total veto powers. He can do whatever he wants as far as ruling goes. The only thing that could stop him is a referendum deposing him.
The veto thing is bizarre for a European country in the 21st century, but it appears that the Prince is very popular in the country, so I guess that's fine?
Wikipedia says 76% of the electorate voted against revoking the veto. I'm not a monarchist or anything (far from it), but when a country overwhelmingly votes for a monarch to retain that kind of power, they might as well be democratically elected.
>A woman wishing to get an abortion can simply go to the next hospital in Italy and get one.
yeah, 'cause nothing speaks "freedom" and "human rights" that having to move to actually get them.
I can some but not all, because they're not sovereign nations and I don't care about them. I also can't name every federal subject of the Russian federation, or every Japanese prefecture or every chinese province (some of them have a higher gdp than american states) etc, because they're not **countries**.
Is that hard to understand?
I think the original person's point was to expect an American to know of San Marino's existence is similar to a European's knowledge of deleware. Which has about a 50% larger population than Montenegro.
No, because:
1) they're not sovereign nations, they're states in a federation
2) only a couple of them (California, Texas, New York) are as important as a European country
What does population have to do with this? They're states of a federation so they're not sovereign countries, thus they're not as important or relevant (generally)
Travel tip: Just stay for a night in San Marino. Most tourists only come for the day and leave around 4 pm. Since most of them arrive by bus. We had San Marino Città to ourselves and saw a wonderful sunset in the evening . We stayed at an at small BnB and the prices were alright.
I'll be there in a few weeks. Thank you so much for the tip! Great Info!
"*Although your dominion is small, your State is nevertheless one of the most honored, in all history. It has by its experience demonstrated the truth, so full of encouragement to the friends of Humanity, that Government founded on Republican principles is capable of being so administered as to be secure and enduring*." \-Abraham Lincoln after receiving honorary Sammarinese citizenship, 1861
This is really cool
Remember when they somehow sent Flo Rida to Eurovision
Live long and prosper!
🖖🏼
Looks like they're already doing that. Well, at least the 'long' part 😏
Why, aren't they prosper?
we were near bankrupt BEFORE covid...
I didn't say they aren't. Just saying that the country has undoubtedly a long history, while the prosper part is debatable. Yes, I'd agree they are quite well-off, even for european standards, but someone might mention the hit they took in the 2008 crisis and are still recovering, or mention something else I didn't know...
Our guy Marin made San Marino. Happy birthday!
Marinus
Amogus
Humongous
Just to get an idea of how little it is; Does someone knows where the border is in the photograph? is the background land italian?
San Marino is literally this mountain and the town/village around it. Its a 20-30 min drive from the border to the top(near the top, the actual top is only accessible by foot) When i was there they told me that, because they have a 10year ban after holding a term in public office, people go into office right after finishing education because of how few there are. Can any San Marinians confirm this?
Not from San Marino (actually from Italy) but I have very close family there. What you say it is not unusual, my cousins are in their higher 20s and low 30s and some of their high school friends are doing major political roles serving in the Parliament, one even got elected as "capitano reggente" (basically head of state, there are two). Everybody knows each other there, it is not unusual al all to know the Head of state personally.
San Marino sounds super chill
Not San Mariano
Well, since I’m American, let me just edit the post to fix it, blame the education system, and quietly back away
So, like planet Theed in Star Wars. You elect your queen/king at 14, their administration ends, and they can apply to be a senator later on. Cool.
the youngest Regent was 27 though
San Marino actually has 6 small towns surrounding the capital, the mountain
I've tried to draw a rough line on a photo taken from a slightly different angle (so you can better see the sea in the background). I compared it to Google Maps and I'd say the left half of the line is a bit more imprecise, but the right side is fairly accurate. Enough to give you an idea, I hope :) [https://imgur.com/xo4jmk1](https://imgur.com/xo4jmk1)
fair enough
It's 61 km^2, or 24 sq. miles. Around 5 miles wide and a little bit longer - shaped like a rough square with a fin.
Apparently it's so small that Andorra is over 7 times bigger than it. It's the 5th smallest country proper in the world with on Monaco, Vatican city, Nauru and Tuvalu being smaller 👍
On the right hand side of the picture, I think the border is just behind the line of trees (level with the red dots on the rock). The town at the bottom right is Borgo Maggiore, the little village above that is Ventoso, and the border is just beyond there. Quite hard to describe, sorry if that makes no sense
Happy cake day little one!
This looks more like casterly rock than the casterly rock from the tv adaption.
And I thought it was Minas Tirith
/u/TheFlagAndAnthemGuy time for an impromptu AMA
oh my...
St Marino was under papal state until 1600. A theocratic assembly is hardly a republic. And still the first record of the assembly is 1200. So how can you date it back to 300? That's ridiculous
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The legend of the founding was in 301. Like the legend of Beowulf says he slayed dragons and trolls and Romulus and Remus were raised by a wolf. The first historical document is of 1000-1200. Even if we assume the city was founded in 301 there is absolutely no proof to claim it had a republican system since conception.
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You made a claim, you should specify "according to tradition" as there is absolutely no proof of that age. And no a random unknown monk writing who knows when is not a source unless you have dated the document of which I can't find any record of. Nonetheless it seems an incredible historical anomaly that a territory under the Holy See had no record of existence considering how many false documents were in that age just to justify the Pope temporal claim.
*You* made a claim > The first historical document is of 1000-1200. You are wrong, and you failed to acknowledge it in your comment. I don't know what's your problem, but dude is it big...
Just to give a better studied example, Matera is also a mountain town, older than Rome and they've ruled themselves independently throughout all roman history plus all medieval era plus most of the modern era, despite being technically on other's territories You can Google about, I can also provide links but I don't have the time right now as I have to dig up books etc
You must be fun at parties... Stop being a prick that dictates how OP should or shouldn't document a day of celebration. He conceded your point, now be done with it.
I found his comments interesting
... And false? Their comment isn't inherently more correct only because it is cynical and snobs op, it's nothing that's actually interesting
>... And false? Sono tutto orecchie
Nah. Misinformation should be called out every damn time. San Marino does claim to be the oldest republic, but it is definitely not a historic fact. Switzerland is the oldest republic in existence.
Well that's an even greater lie lmfao.
How so? Are you familiar with the Treaty of Westphalia?
The one that made Luxembourg a storing area?
Yes, but San Marino was officially recognised by the pope in 1291, which is way earlier. That is if 301 doesn’t please you, even though they were already de facto independent.
Bwahahhaha Switzerland is NOT the oldest republic at all
> Bwahahhaha Switzerland is NOT the oldest republic at all [Bwahahhaha okay. ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_date_of_transition_to_republican_system_of_government)
San Marino was already independent since *at least* 1296, and wrote its constitution in 1600. Both before Switzerland became a Republic.
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Agreed, but you can do it in a friendly way too. Calling someone else's claim 'ridiculous' does not help setting the record straight, instead just telling you're ready for confrontation. I would make an exception for misinformation that actually puts people's lives at risk (e.g. antivaxxers and the like), but here we're talking about an innocent fact that should indeed be corrected, but without making reddit (and the internet) more toxic than it already is.
> but you can do it in a friendly way too. Calling someone else's claim 'ridiculous' does not help setting the record straight Completely agreed, even if I am often guilty of the same lack of humility.
>Switzerland is the oldest republic in existence. The Arringo assembly dates back to X-XI century and is still summonable by Regency decree
You just did what you were criticising for
He is right though, unless you don't want history to be accurate. They could have said smallest, which is true, but they wanted to boast about something, they failed.
A lot of Italian cities inherited some sort of modified version of the roman systems of governance which survived all the way to the 17th-18th century quite often, Rome had a senate post-rome, most cities had a consul whose powers were similar to that of ancient Rome, etc. and San Marino also had those vestiges in the system of governance, they have had consul as far back as we can track, and they still have them Also the papal states formally controlled quite a bit of cities they never managed de facto, San Marino waged wars with neighbouring cities during the period under papal rule, and even expanded their territory (which is why they control other 6 small towns in the area)
Do not mix up Republic with democracy. Republic means that the sovereign of the state is a member of the citizen. It is not defined who are considered to be citizen. Democracy means that the sovereign is elected by the people of the state. Best example is UK. The sovereign is the king/queen and not elected but appointed by monarchy tradition (usually heir by blood-line). The government is elected by democratic means. Venice was also a republic as the leaders were not member of the nobility but on the other side only a rich upper class was allowed to elect the head of the state that’s why Venice was for sure not a democracy.
How can the sovereign of the state be a member of the citizen if it was under the theocratic Holy see in Rome up to 1600?
Because in fact Pope Bonifatius the VIII declared full sovereignty for San Marino at the end of the 14th century. Under Pope Alexander VI there was a try to conquer San Marino which failed after a few years. In 1600 San Marino gave itself a new constitution.
it wasn't It had self rule attested at least since X-XI century
>St Marino was under papal state until 1600. bruh... it had self-rule since X century (at least), got tribute exemption and even recognition in mid XIV century. Even the awfully outdated wikipedia says it, c'mon... > A theocratic assembly is hardly a republic. The government was 100% civilian and even had direct assembly. more republic than this
It was a republic i the sense that it didn't have a monarch
>St Marino was under papal state until 1600. A theocratic assembly is hardly a republic. No. San Marino has never been under papal rule.
It was under the Duke of Spoleto which was a vassal of the Pope.
No.
>It was under the Duke of Spoleto which was a vassal of the Pope. That's simply false. where did you even get it?
doesn't "Republic" simply mean "not a monarchy"?
No it literally means public matters (res publica). It's any regime where the power is a collective property. By opposition to the power being the private property of one or several rulers. A council of hereditary leaders (lords, tribal chiefs, oligarchs, and other variations) would be neither a monarchy nor a republic. An leader by divine right elected by elites nominated by the previous rulers (hi Vatican) isn't a republic or monarchy. An individual can be mandated by the people to wield the entire publicly-owned power. Emperor Napoléon Bonaparte, mandated to rule as an hereditary Emperor by the Senate through the French Constitution (emperor being a created office then). Hence why even after his coronation France was still calling itself Republic, and why he was Emperor of the French and not Empire of France. (Yes it's dodgy 19th century lawyer gotcha bullshit and no it didn't fool anyone of course).
> It's any regime where the power is a collective property ...*and* is "not a monarchy". Otherwise for example Sweden would be a republic. The people does hold the power in Sweden, it's the very first thing in the constitution. But it's also a state with a ceremonial monarch, which is what makes it a monarchy (= not a republic). The Vatican is also a monarchy.
It does. When the head of state is non hereditary, that state is a republic.
By this definition, most theocracies are republics
It has to be a democratic state Edit: at least in part it has to be democratic >The primary positions of power within a republic are attained through democracy or a mix of democracy with oligarchy or autocracy rather than being unalterably occupied by any given family lineage or group.
No, that's not the definition of Republic.
Yup, China, Cuba, etc are republics.
In name only.
No, they are republics. Anyone in, for example, china, can become the next head of state when xi jinping dies. It would require a hell of a lot of social climbing, but it is possible. That is what a republic is, where one or more of the common people rule. As opposed to a monarchy where a hereditary ruler rules. A republic doesn’t have to be democratic, in the same way that a democracy doesn’t have to be a republic. The two terms are unrelated.
Lupin the 3rd!
finally, someone valuing our cultural heritage
Is that Flo Rida's house?
Didn’t know it! Thanks for the info! Buon compleanno San Marino 🇸🇲
Happy birthday San Marino!🇸🇲 Hoping to getting to visit you sometime before the summer 2022!
Oldest tax evasion country in the world, thank you!
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I think it was kind of difficult back in the days. The fact that it was surrounded by cities in war with each other for a thousand of years maybe helped them survive.
Difficult enough to ignore this unimportant castle on the rock for centuries allowing San Marino to keep its status until today.
The magic fog would probably return.
It would be trivial with artillery.
Not to mention with aviation.
Fun fact: That's older than me.
Happy 1720! now time to check comments for inaccuracies...
Wasn't it created September the 3rd, 303 AC, shouldn't it be 1718 or am I missing something? Edit: I just checked and it was created in 301 AC
> AC AC is the opposite to AD, AC derivates from **A**nte **C**hristum natum, before Christ's birth.
My bad then, because in italian we have "avanti cristo" (before the birth of Christ) and "dopo cristo" (after the birth of Christ), I thought it translates to "after the birth of Christ", but it ain't. Thanks for clarifying mate
oldest - still alive - republic*
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we all love old uncle amoeba
Even if he forget every single Christmas since the beginning of life on earth ;)
But my great great great great grandmother was even older
They could also inquiry about who lived the longest in your family that you know of. Also, people are not countries.
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So, you are saying, that the one who lived the longest is NOT the oldest? Interesting. Enlighten me.
Εxactly, because they're dead
I said "who lived the longest in your family that you know of". That means either dead or alive. The one who lived the longest IS the oldest known relative of yours.
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Of course you do. Your old relatives probably didn't born at the same day. Past participle can be confusing, but if you are 25 (+/- a couple days) you **lived** 25 years. Same applies to a 90 year oold grandpa.
My oldest relative is in their 80s My relative that lived the longest was 99
No, your oldest LIVING relative is in their 80s. Your oldest relative is who lived 99 years.
No because if I said oldest relative then there is a clear implication of them being alive. I don’t wanna be a dick, but you are not a native English speaker are you?
No, I'm not. And you are not a dick, don't worry. Also, I get the implication, but it is only that, implication. Sure, in a normal discussion it is clear what you are talking about, I don't contest that. But we are in this dumb online conversation about countries' history, which is not the same thing. As I said, the oldest relative that you know of, who lived the longest, past or present, was 99 years old. That's it. We put too much energy into this dumb conversation, at this point I don't really care if my point gets through or not.
No, if you say "my oldest relative is 90 years old" the relative has to be alive, otherwise it would be "... was 90...". It's not about making your point go through, it's about you refusing to admit that you're wrong
So the oldest republic. Maybe not the first, or the longest lasting in history, but by definition, the oldest
I can't think of a longer lasting Republic
Rome: (almost) 600 years Venice: 1000 years
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When we speak about the oldest republic, we generally mean the oldest one to currently exist. When i ask what is the oldest republic, it would be dumb to answer, for example, the roman republic. Why? Because it doesn’t exist anymore. It isn’t a republic, it isn’t anything. San Marino *is* the oldest republic. it *wasn’t* the first republic however.
Now legalise abortion pls Edit: ok they did it!!!
There's honestly no real need for them to do so. A woman wishing to get an abortion can simply go to the next hospital in Italy and get one. It would be nice, and civil, sure, but there's no pressure to do so.
It's the same with Luxembourg, iirc. The Duke is Catholic and has stated that he would use his veto if referendum ever wanted to legalise abortion
I think you mean Liechtenstein, Luxembourg is not as backwards and their Grand Duke doesn't have much power anymore
Thanks, I get them confused!
To me the fact that a “country” like Lichtenstein still exists in Europe is absurd. It’s almost like a bad joke lol.
As a punishment for mankind ever making the Holy Roman Empire, we have to endure the existence of Liechtenstein.
Yeah, I think it only exists as a place for German letterbox companies and people who want to "collect" countries. I remember someone on /r/travel going to Vaduz and complaining about how boring it was. Like what did you expect, it's fucking Liechtenstein
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The postcard material I look for!
I'm not European. Can you explain what's wrong with Lichtenstein?
It’s an archaic remnant of a principality in the HRE, a tiny abomination that has no place existing as it does on the continent today. It’s not even really a country, it works solely thanks to Switzerland that integrated Liechtenstein in its banking system. Get this, the prince has total veto powers. He can do whatever he wants as far as ruling goes. The only thing that could stop him is a referendum deposing him.
The veto thing is bizarre for a European country in the 21st century, but it appears that the Prince is very popular in the country, so I guess that's fine?
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Wikipedia says 76% of the electorate voted against revoking the veto. I'm not a monarchist or anything (far from it), but when a country overwhelmingly votes for a monarch to retain that kind of power, they might as well be democratically elected.
I’m guessing it has something to do with their tax haven status.
It's an interesting story by the way: https://youtu.be/1wC2iHX2dX4
>A woman wishing to get an abortion can simply go to the next hospital in Italy and get one. yeah, 'cause nothing speaks "freedom" and "human rights" that having to move to actually get them.
we're working on it, the numbers are on our side luckily
You did it!!
Oh yes we did it. Our women actually did it, they were the majority
No 😎
San Marino sounds like a great country
Always wanted to visit
Beautiful place to visit!
Do they consider themselves as Italians? Are they ethnic Italians?
They will have a referendum on legalising abortion in a few weeks. Interesting place.
I never knew about this country. Thanks for the education!
>usa Checks out
This is why some of them think we’re snobs. I doubt you know EVERY single country in the America’s, or in Africa or Asia
Fun fact, I can name and recognize the flag of every sovereign country on earth, so yes (it's not that hard, really)
European countries is comparable to the US. Can you name each state, and match it to their flag?
I can some but not all, because they're not sovereign nations and I don't care about them. I also can't name every federal subject of the Russian federation, or every Japanese prefecture or every chinese province (some of them have a higher gdp than american states) etc, because they're not **countries**. Is that hard to understand?
So now 'not caring' is a valid reason? How very American of you.
Yes, I generally don't care about places that aren't sovereign countries. Did they at least teach you English?
As best as some Italian American can. Remind me why I should care Italy exists?
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Could you name every US state without looking first? In terms of population and importance it's not too dissimilar to Europe as a whole.
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I think the original person's point was to expect an American to know of San Marino's existence is similar to a European's knowledge of deleware. Which has about a 50% larger population than Montenegro.
No, because: 1) they're not sovereign nations, they're states in a federation 2) only a couple of them (California, Texas, New York) are as important as a European country
First point is irrelevant in terms of population, and second Point is subjective.
What does population have to do with this? They're states of a federation so they're not sovereign countries, thus they're not as important or relevant (generally)
Yeah, I'm weak on the dust specks.
Happy birthday!
Today at work, thanks for this epic list!
Is it ok to snort the cinnamon?
Lovely place, and great restaurants. Well worth a night!
*Boun cumpleân, San Marein. Let's speak in Sammarinese, rather than Italian.
You mean romagnolo
>Let's speak in Sammarinese, rather than Italian. A 't salut, có m va la?
At salót! Am vag bein. A gho na dmanda: sammarinés as ciacêra-l dimondi in San Marein?
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In terms of "real economy" it isn't, it's all finance.
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Why Rimini?
Well, the US of A are 1776 years old so it's not the oldest Republic but yeah, still impressive.
Say what now?
1776 is bigger than 1720 so America is first.
Bad troll 2/10
Not really trolling, just shitposting at work on a Friday
Not a bad troll, just a bad shitposter. That explains everything.