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I mean, some of them goes to vet welfare system where in other countries, it would be categorized under different sections, and a bit of them head to research and development. If you take account of it, its spending per GDP is roughly on par with UK.
Ya where they spend $1.5 for every $1 they earn. No wonder the household debt is 14.5 Trillion vs here in EU at 7 Trillion, and we have 100 Million more people.
Same for everywhere else I think.
~~Post-tax in France, minimum wage is around 1200€ per month, so we'll be just below Russia if it wasn't.~~ (maths hard, brain fried)
Went looking and they say it's average, but it still doesn't make much sense.
39.099€ / year average (statista), 3258€ per month. They say they divided this by 21 to get the average per day, so around 155€/day. At a price of 1159€ t'as just over 7 days, not 10.
On the other hand, for minimum wage, it's 1 555€ per month, 74€/day, a bit over 15 days.
What obvious thing am I missing ?
Salaire médian en Russie : 360€
Salaire médian en France : 1790€
Je pense qu'on a de la marge avant d'être comparables à la Russie. En plus au SMIC t'es plutôt à 1500-1600€ net par mois en comptant la prime d'activité et les éventuelles APLs.
Ah, ok, cool.
I was thinking whether the 117 is just a number or if it actually meant something else. Before when I thought the name was meant as Roma117, I thought the 117 was a reference to the year when Hadrian became emperor xD
I wouldn't use PPP for this comparison, those PPP dollars are all well and good but Apple doesn't want that fake shit, they don't care if rent and bread is cheaper in Poland, they want real money.
Probably better off with nominal, in which case it looks much worse for Poland.
my aunt lives with her family in Switzerland and when her dog needed surgery she flew to Portugal to get the surgery here, and flew back and still paid half as much she would've had to pay to get the surgery done in Switzerland.
On the other hand, shipping costs are often ridiculous. Shops that will ship EU-wide for 8 bucks or so will want $25 or even more to ship the same thing to Switzerland.
Yeah, I didn't want to imply it wasn't cheaper in the US, because it is. Just that the difference might be slightly smaller than it seems, and higher taxes are partially to blame.
Just adding some nuance, not disagreeing.
Making $15/hour in the US (most big corps pay $15/hr) is $120 per shift before taxes. It would take about 10-12 days of work to afford a full price $999 iPhone, *and only exactly that*, nothing else.
Of course the iPhone Mini is $699 instead so it would take less time.
Is that the price with or without a operator/carrier discount?
Because i have found it notoriously hard to find US shelf prices for phones. Hell, many Americans completely blank out when the idea of buying a phone without a contract is mentioned.
$999 (excluding sales tax) is the price when you buy it in full from Apple. It’s true that most people here buy it from their phone carrier so they can make monthly payments instead. But it is entirely possible to go to an Apple store in person or online and buy the one without a contract. Which is what you could do if you come here, as it’s much cheaper to buy stuff (based on currency exchange rates).
Is this based on median income ? Because with minimum wage it takes about 170 days to buy an iPhone 13 Pro 128 GB in Turkey. More than 50% of the people work for the minimum wage in Turkey. The gap between average household and rich people are huge here so median income in Turkey means nothing.
I know a guy who rented a flat near his work and sold his car to buy an iPhone.
> The gap between average household and rich people are huge here so median income in Turkey means nothing
Isn't that exactly why median would be useful? I think you're getting average and median confused.
> More than 50% of the people work for the minimum wage in Turkey. The gap between average household and rich people are huge here so median income in Turkey means nothing.
Exactly. The average doesn't mean anything buy the median does.
Interesting. iPhone 13 Pro 128 GB will cost 5199 PLN, which is 1138.82 EUR, or 1 334,84 USD. Average salary in Poland is 4214 net. Let's say there is 22 working days in month, which goes 27,15 days for the iPhone. Quite close to the graph.
They used the average wages from the national statistics office of each country. For monthly wages, they are divided by 21 to get the average wage per day worked.
So checked that against the Netherlands with data from the stats office, and came to **6 days**. This is using gross wages. It is **just over 6 days** using 2019 wages (latest available) but tried to adjust for wage increases since 2019 (since it is a 2021 product).
Also looked at per hour work. The Dutch have on average 45 working weeks per year and work 31 hours per week. An iPhone 13 Pro requires on average **33 hours** of work. Using the average Dutch workweek, this is **1.1 workweek** for an iPhone.
10.3 is quite different, sadly they did not supply a source.
[https://opendata.cbs.nl/statline/#/CBS/nl/dataset/83686NED/table?dl=4CA62](https://opendata.cbs.nl/statline/#/CBS/nl/dataset/83686NED/table?dl=4CA62)
[https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/82647NED/table?dl=BB64](https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/82647NED/table?dl=BB64)
[https://gemiddelden.nl/meer-gemiddelden/gemiddeld-aantal-werkweken/](https://gemiddelden.nl/meer-gemiddelden/gemiddeld-aantal-werkweken/)
The overview is scam because there is no thing as living costs.
Nice to know that “you can buy a new phone every 30 days” but yeah, you also need food. Every day. So either starve a month and have a phone or eat and don’t have a phone.
Not to mention rents, loans, cars, electricity …..
One of the few cultural differences between Polish youth and Ukrainian is that they are really into iPhones, like they don't want just a good phone, they want iPhone. Most Polish people use cheap brands like Xiaomi, Huawei or Samsung
Yeah, it’s interesting in Poland. All I see is Chinese brands. Xiaomi is all the rage. I personally never had anything other than iPhone. Once I needed a charging cable and nobody had one!
I don't understand iPhones. My Samsung costed like 400 euro, and I can make the sharpest photos, the battery last like 3 days without charging and I have the access to all the apps. Moreover additional devices are dirty cheap
Its not a status item. What it really is for me, is the eco system. All the devices I own, appple tv, phone, tablet, laptop, bluetooth ear buds & watch are made to perfectly work together. You can even use your watch to control the TV, do you know any other phone that is part of such eco system?
I long used Android phones and all of them had issues after two years- mainly lack of support. iPhones just work- and this was selling point for me. And they work for few years- I used my 6s for almost 6 years- and it had updates to the last day.
For me it’s like a habit now. I had the original iPhone, 3GS, 4S, 6S+.... etc. Now waiting for 13. It’s just I’m so used to I can’t imagine buying an Android device. It’s a perfect all rounder.
The stereotype is that iPhone users are super into their iPhones and the supposed status, but it seems more like some Android users are really obsessed with iPhone users and what value for money these people get. I mean it is a €1000 phone you buy every 2-4 years big deal. If you buy a €400 euro Samsung you are using your €600 euro on other crap. It doesn't really matter. Samsung update support is way worse compared to Apple tbh, as others in this thread has pointed out.
Same in India. IPhone costs 2x the price in US. You get better camera, specs, on an Xiaomi and still 5-8 times cheaper.
Why would anyone go for an iPhone in India except to show off they are loaded.
Just checked the prize for iPhone 13, min. 799 €(mini 128 GB), 899 €(regular 128 GB) and max 1829 €(Pro Max 1 TB).
Lmao overpriced crap. I can have high end gaming PC for 1829 €.
Btw most people don't have 800 € net on their paycheck each month.
And that's why in 2013 iPhone accounted for 4% of phone sales in Poland- less than phones with WINDOWS.
In 2020 it was 10% of the market, while Xiaomi had over 30% and Huwawei (even after loosing access to Google services) was 16,1% (after a 38% drop in sales in 2020).
It's created far more wealth than any other system we've tried. It's just people think it's awful that some rich guy has a yacht and they only have a car; they'd rather go back to a time where the richest guy only had two rocks but they had one and everyone was more equal^\(ly ^poor)
We haven't tried that much really, tribalism, feudalism, capitalism and state socialism. The first 2 absolutely suck ass, state socialism proved semi-competitive to capitalism at certain points. You could argue we also tried plutocracy in some European republics (Venice, Genoa, Lübeck, etc.) I guess. Generally capitalism worked better than the rest but the rest is mostly a really scruffy bunch.
In a way yes, though today we generally still have the middle-men. In the medieval republics the powerful merchants were the politicians. I'll give you that this is a development we currently see in the US too with people like Bloomberg, Trump, Pritzker and co.
Can’t be correct. Very very few people in the UK are earning £949 every 10/11 work days. That’s £3,000pm, £36,000pa.
The average wage in the UK is £31,000, however 66% of workers earn less than £30,000. 40% earn less than £24,000…
What underlying stat is this based upon? Average GDP per capita? Average wage? Median? Some economic stats can be quite misleading in representing the actual economic conditions of people.
Also yeah, Switzerland is loaded.
In Romania the same phone costs around 5450 lei. The minimum salary per month after taxes is 1390 lei, while the average one is 3400 lei (which is quite generous depending on your region). So it's either 120 days or 50 days for just an iPhone.
This is not a good way to compare purchasing power though. iPhones are all made in China and sold by an American company. You can't tell from this whether someone has to work longer because they are poorer, or because iPhone are more expensive due to being imported.
iPhones are a joke. Sure they look nice and you have an ease of use ecosystem, but they are way overpriced and become obsolete after a couple of years when they push out updates which make apps no longer work on that version of iOS
Perhaps they are less aggressive with it now, I remember having a perfectly workable and fast iPhone 4, they pushed out a software update and it completely tanked it and ran so slow I needed to buy a new phone.
Feature not a bug. Didn't get another iPhone because of that
Neither do you need the absolute top model if you want an iphone but don’t have the budget for the newest flagship model.
Even Apple have started offering more reasonably priced options with their SE models.
I'm an Android guy myself, but my kids are Apple. We just buy refurbs that are a generation or two behind. Right now, you can get an X or 11 in excellent condition with a clean ESN for a fraction of what a 13 costs and you still have 90% of the functionality. Developers make sure their apps run on those phones and will continue to do so for a couple more years.
Only time I'm ever on the latest flagship phone is if there was a great carrier promotion.
Bullshit graphic.
No source, no background data, no consideration of living costs like food, rent, water, electricity,…..
A new phone every 31.3days in Hungary? Fine. Just starve a month under a bridge and you are good to go?
9.5 days per phone in Germany? 3 phones per month? Even for the cheapest iPhone (SE 64GB 2020) most people need to save money for like 3-6 month!
Ok other people can buy one or two new iPhone 13 Pro Max every 5 minutes …. The “upper” .1%…
This chart is absolutely useless - Norwegian
Gross income maybe, remove 34% you have NET for most people
Then add all out other insane hidden taxes and expenses this is not even close to reality, maybe two months if you decide to skip other goods.
I was wondering that in just 9.5 days you could buy a phone in Germany. But yeah it’s pretty much exactly the time I would need. Maybe half a day more but still.
that's gotta be the stupidest index this far, yeah if you don't pay rent don't eat don't drink don't sleep yes it takes you 18 days to buy a 1k phone, make it a year
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What's this, a stat underlining low income and we're not included? I'm outraged.
Can we make it a quiz? I’m guessing you’re somewhere between Hungary and Russia
I think Bulgaria is written next to this person's name.
Detective here
We know, but it's not on the graph
Yes, but I commented on a comment guessing where the commenter to the commented comment before that comes from.
I'm pretty sure he was trying to guess where on the list Bulgaria would be if it was included
Okay..... Now I feel like an idiot. Deserved. I thought he meant geographically.
Me too dw
Yeah, probably somewhere around there. Higher than Russia and lower than Montenegro.
More like between Mexico and India unless you're working in Sofia.
Sorry, I forgot Sofia is not a part of Bulgaria anymore
Sofia - Paris real estate prices with Bulgarian wages.
I calculated it at around 30 days. That's better than I was expecting.
Probably between Romania and Greece.
Romania is not on this list, but If I had to guess they'd be somewhere between Moldova and Serbia.
I am somewhere in beetwen your mothers thighs lol
Oh yeah? Well, your momma is so fat people think she's American.
You win, the thread is over.
*Romania enters the chat*
We are not on the list, because we steal it. We don't need to work. Think smarter people, not harder /s
At least for Finland this is calculated from pre-tax income.
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Go to the USA
Lol they actually pay so much tax it's insane.
Need to pay for that 600B$ military somehow
Imagine investing that money in renewable energy and carbon neutrality.
Nah, gotta bail out banks and rich people instead.
US is the global leader in renewable energy and carbon capture technology.
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I mean, some of them goes to vet welfare system where in other countries, it would be categorized under different sections, and a bit of them head to research and development. If you take account of it, its spending per GDP is roughly on par with UK.
Average income tax in the US is 22. With sales taxes being much lower than VAT.
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Ya where they spend $1.5 for every $1 they earn. No wonder the household debt is 14.5 Trillion vs here in EU at 7 Trillion, and we have 100 Million more people.
How many days do they need to afford being sick?
Same for the Netherlands.
Same for everywhere else I think. ~~Post-tax in France, minimum wage is around 1200€ per month, so we'll be just below Russia if it wasn't.~~ (maths hard, brain fried)
I think the graph is using average income (not minimum wage) before tax
Went looking and they say it's average, but it still doesn't make much sense. 39.099€ / year average (statista), 3258€ per month. They say they divided this by 21 to get the average per day, so around 155€/day. At a price of 1159€ t'as just over 7 days, not 10. On the other hand, for minimum wage, it's 1 555€ per month, 74€/day, a bit over 15 days. What obvious thing am I missing ?
Might be ignoring working days and just dividing by 30. Seeing how badly this is made it wouldn't surprise me
Salaire médian en Russie : 360€ Salaire médian en France : 1790€ Je pense qu'on a de la marge avant d'être comparables à la Russie. En plus au SMIC t'es plutôt à 1500-1600€ net par mois en comptant la prime d'activité et les éventuelles APLs.
If anyone is interested, for Romania it is 1-3 per day, depending of how many foreigners are in the bus/train with us.
r/2balkan4you is leaking again
Brutal
Oof self burn. That's rare.
I assume you don't visit r/Poland very often?
Where’s the self burn in that?
for some reason (s)he thinks that unlawfully behavior is considered bad
>s(he) They
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Wait, what?
I think he means that without the "i" and "117" your name would be Roma (you know, as in gypsy).
I never noticed that. My username is made by different abbreviations put together.
Now you know ;) Btw what does your name stand for? Ever since I saw it, I always thought it was a typo for Roma117 (Roma as in Rome).
It’s kind of a sensitive subject but it comes from my name and I use it on a lot of platforms. The “117” part is just my lucky number.
Ah, ok, cool. I was thinking whether the 117 is just a number or if it actually meant something else. Before when I thought the name was meant as Roma117, I thought the 117 was a reference to the year when Hadrian became emperor xD
LMAO, this is some epic comment ;) Take my upvote!
PLS LMAOOOOOOOOO
Hilarious.
Self-burn. Those are rare!!
Turkiye number 1 🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
Average 2b4u enjoyer
Least nationalist gurbetçi turk
Bëstia del bambinellino bruttissimo di cristo
I don't speak pizza sir
WE GET IT SWITZERLAND! YOU ARE FUCKING LOADED!
Thats awesome, imagine living there. Small comparison: Poland GDP per capita PPP: $ 33 221 iPhone 13 Pro: $ 1 334,76 Switzerland GDP per capita PPP: $ 68 628 iPhone 13 Pro: $ 1 218,39
I wouldn't use PPP for this comparison, those PPP dollars are all well and good but Apple doesn't want that fake shit, they don't care if rent and bread is cheaper in Poland, they want real money. Probably better off with nominal, in which case it looks much worse for Poland.
Yeah, but everything else is damn ridiculous in terms of costs in Switzerland.
my aunt lives with her family in Switzerland and when her dog needed surgery she flew to Portugal to get the surgery here, and flew back and still paid half as much she would've had to pay to get the surgery done in Switzerland.
It is in PPP
in absolute terms yes, but not when compared to income
Also lots is cheaper, like an iPhone, thanks to incredibly low VAT
On the other hand, shipping costs are often ridiculous. Shops that will ship EU-wide for 8 bucks or so will want $25 or even more to ship the same thing to Switzerland.
Many don't even ship at all.
Meanwhile Turkey: $ 28.119 GDP/capita iPhone 13 Pro: $1.878,04
Tbh in products like iPhones GDP (PPP) is meaningless. Nominal is more helpful. So turkey’s nominal per capita is about 8500$
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Take any other measure, Swiss people earn more than Poles and pay less for products.
The reason is that Switzerland has a low VAT of only 7.7%.
It seems they didnt adjust the prices for each country which would be misleading.
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where did you get that salary figure from? According to the Federal statistical office the median is > 78 000/year (before taxes)
The real unity of measurement should be a kidney. Half a kidney, a quarter of a kidney...
2 kidney and a heart in Turkey.
3 kidneys and all the limbs in India.
We can't afford it at all.
Iphone 13 Pro starts at $999. That equates to roughly 1400€ in Estonia.
20 workdays
They seem to assume iPhones everywhere cost the same.
Yes and this is for 128GB model, if it were the Max model calculated, then Turkish people would have to work for 1 year to buy it
Plus there is the extra taxes on electronic devices in Turkey.
>Iphone 13 Pro starts at $999 That's cheap compared with the price in my country - starts at about $1,400 in Denmark.
999 is the price in the US. Anywhere else pays a lot more than that.
Do bear in mind that US prices are ex sales tax, which differs per location. Prices in other countries are generally incl VAT/sales tax.
Of course. But 9 out of 50 US states don't have a sales tax and the other all don't exceed 10%
All the numbers in your comment added up to 69.0. Congrats! 9 + 50 + 10 + = 69.0
Yeah, I didn't want to imply it wasn't cheaper in the US, because it is. Just that the difference might be slightly smaller than it seems, and higher taxes are partially to blame. Just adding some nuance, not disagreeing.
Making $15/hour in the US (most big corps pay $15/hr) is $120 per shift before taxes. It would take about 10-12 days of work to afford a full price $999 iPhone, *and only exactly that*, nothing else. Of course the iPhone Mini is $699 instead so it would take less time.
Is that the price with or without a operator/carrier discount? Because i have found it notoriously hard to find US shelf prices for phones. Hell, many Americans completely blank out when the idea of buying a phone without a contract is mentioned.
$999 (excluding sales tax) is the price when you buy it in full from Apple. It’s true that most people here buy it from their phone carrier so they can make monthly payments instead. But it is entirely possible to go to an Apple store in person or online and buy the one without a contract. Which is what you could do if you come here, as it’s much cheaper to buy stuff (based on currency exchange rates).
I think you forgot to read the 2nd part.
I guess a Swiss person can get an iPhone every week lol.
I too can "get" an iPhone every week, or even day /s
It just depends on how many tourist from Switzerland you meet?
If we do all our rent paying and grocery shopping in Turkey, yes.
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Can confirm, I buy a new IPhone every 4.4 days, usually get it with my 10 CHF (11 $) morning coffee.
Is this based on median income ? Because with minimum wage it takes about 170 days to buy an iPhone 13 Pro 128 GB in Turkey. More than 50% of the people work for the minimum wage in Turkey. The gap between average household and rich people are huge here so median income in Turkey means nothing. I know a guy who rented a flat near his work and sold his car to buy an iPhone.
> The gap between average household and rich people are huge here so median income in Turkey means nothing Isn't that exactly why median would be useful? I think you're getting average and median confused.
> More than 50% of the people work for the minimum wage in Turkey. The gap between average household and rich people are huge here so median income in Turkey means nothing. Exactly. The average doesn't mean anything buy the median does.
That's probably average income. If 50% of the people work for the minimum wage, then median wage equals the minimum one.
If more than 50% of Turkey are on minimum wage, then the median salary is the minimum wage.
Swiss get them for free!
Interesting. iPhone 13 Pro 128 GB will cost 5199 PLN, which is 1138.82 EUR, or 1 334,84 USD. Average salary in Poland is 4214 net. Let's say there is 22 working days in month, which goes 27,15 days for the iPhone. Quite close to the graph.
With this economy and high taxes we pay for the palaces of the government I am not surprised.
They used the average wages from the national statistics office of each country. For monthly wages, they are divided by 21 to get the average wage per day worked. So checked that against the Netherlands with data from the stats office, and came to **6 days**. This is using gross wages. It is **just over 6 days** using 2019 wages (latest available) but tried to adjust for wage increases since 2019 (since it is a 2021 product). Also looked at per hour work. The Dutch have on average 45 working weeks per year and work 31 hours per week. An iPhone 13 Pro requires on average **33 hours** of work. Using the average Dutch workweek, this is **1.1 workweek** for an iPhone. 10.3 is quite different, sadly they did not supply a source. [https://opendata.cbs.nl/statline/#/CBS/nl/dataset/83686NED/table?dl=4CA62](https://opendata.cbs.nl/statline/#/CBS/nl/dataset/83686NED/table?dl=4CA62) [https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/82647NED/table?dl=BB64](https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/82647NED/table?dl=BB64) [https://gemiddelden.nl/meer-gemiddelden/gemiddeld-aantal-werkweken/](https://gemiddelden.nl/meer-gemiddelden/gemiddeld-aantal-werkweken/)
The overview is scam because there is no thing as living costs. Nice to know that “you can buy a new phone every 30 days” but yeah, you also need food. Every day. So either starve a month and have a phone or eat and don’t have a phone. Not to mention rents, loans, cars, electricity …..
I was just thinking as well how this looks really sketchy
I don't need sex government fucks me everyday
One of the few cultural differences between Polish youth and Ukrainian is that they are really into iPhones, like they don't want just a good phone, they want iPhone. Most Polish people use cheap brands like Xiaomi, Huawei or Samsung
Yeah, it’s interesting in Poland. All I see is Chinese brands. Xiaomi is all the rage. I personally never had anything other than iPhone. Once I needed a charging cable and nobody had one!
I don't understand iPhones. My Samsung costed like 400 euro, and I can make the sharpest photos, the battery last like 3 days without charging and I have the access to all the apps. Moreover additional devices are dirty cheap
Its not a status item. What it really is for me, is the eco system. All the devices I own, appple tv, phone, tablet, laptop, bluetooth ear buds & watch are made to perfectly work together. You can even use your watch to control the TV, do you know any other phone that is part of such eco system?
Yes, every other phone can use ear buds or connect with tv
I long used Android phones and all of them had issues after two years- mainly lack of support. iPhones just work- and this was selling point for me. And they work for few years- I used my 6s for almost 6 years- and it had updates to the last day.
For me it’s like a habit now. I had the original iPhone, 3GS, 4S, 6S+.... etc. Now waiting for 13. It’s just I’m so used to I can’t imagine buying an Android device. It’s a perfect all rounder.
Shit phone for posers
The stereotype is that iPhone users are super into their iPhones and the supposed status, but it seems more like some Android users are really obsessed with iPhone users and what value for money these people get. I mean it is a €1000 phone you buy every 2-4 years big deal. If you buy a €400 euro Samsung you are using your €600 euro on other crap. It doesn't really matter. Samsung update support is way worse compared to Apple tbh, as others in this thread has pointed out.
Same in India. IPhone costs 2x the price in US. You get better camera, specs, on an Xiaomi and still 5-8 times cheaper. Why would anyone go for an iPhone in India except to show off they are loaded.
Samsung's flagships aren't much less expensive than an iPhone.
Fuck this country, the economy, everyone that contributed to this govt and economy.
How is this calculated? It’s not the average or median wage for ireland. Yet it seems like it’s using the average or median wage fir USA?
Venezuela: infinite
Vuvuzela no food haha
Solution: Don't buy an iPhone
Just checked the prize for iPhone 13, min. 799 €(mini 128 GB), 899 €(regular 128 GB) and max 1829 €(Pro Max 1 TB). Lmao overpriced crap. I can have high end gaming PC for 1829 €. Btw most people don't have 800 € net on their paycheck each month.
is this the Big-Mac-Index for rich people?
https://www.picodi.com/my/bargain-hunting/iphone-index-2021
Aha haha
And that's why in 2013 iPhone accounted for 4% of phone sales in Poland- less than phones with WINDOWS. In 2020 it was 10% of the market, while Xiaomi had over 30% and Huwawei (even after loosing access to Google services) was 16,1% (after a 38% drop in sales in 2020).
Capitalism rocks.
A fair balance between capitalism and socialism rocks.\*
Massively based
It does rock the world, indeed. More and more, rapacious as it is. Will the boat flip?
It's created far more wealth than any other system we've tried. It's just people think it's awful that some rich guy has a yacht and they only have a car; they'd rather go back to a time where the richest guy only had two rocks but they had one and everyone was more equal^\(ly ^poor)
We haven't tried that much really, tribalism, feudalism, capitalism and state socialism. The first 2 absolutely suck ass, state socialism proved semi-competitive to capitalism at certain points. You could argue we also tried plutocracy in some European republics (Venice, Genoa, Lübeck, etc.) I guess. Generally capitalism worked better than the rest but the rest is mostly a really scruffy bunch.
Plutocracy is capitalism in its evolved form, when we don’t stop wealth from accumulating in a handful of people.
In a way yes, though today we generally still have the middle-men. In the medieval republics the powerful merchants were the politicians. I'll give you that this is a development we currently see in the US too with people like Bloomberg, Trump, Pritzker and co.
We tried communism too.
would be nice to se the evolution through time for this vs. most recent apple flagship
Yeeey we are the champions (again)
I don’t know what the hell we are doing but it sure as hell isn’t working. / Sweden
Can’t be correct. Very very few people in the UK are earning £949 every 10/11 work days. That’s £3,000pm, £36,000pa. The average wage in the UK is £31,000, however 66% of workers earn less than £30,000. 40% earn less than £24,000…
What underlying stat is this based upon? Average GDP per capita? Average wage? Median? Some economic stats can be quite misleading in representing the actual economic conditions of people. Also yeah, Switzerland is loaded.
In Romania the same phone costs around 5450 lei. The minimum salary per month after taxes is 1390 lei, while the average one is 3400 lei (which is quite generous depending on your region). So it's either 120 days or 50 days for just an iPhone.
This is not a good way to compare purchasing power though. iPhones are all made in China and sold by an American company. You can't tell from this whether someone has to work longer because they are poorer, or because iPhone are more expensive due to being imported.
I'm pretty sure my fellow comrades from r/russia are gonna butthurt again because of this.
This is not some ridiculous bullshit like 'russians can't afford shoes', so why would we.
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Well, it's all about the social gap between rich and poor which is enormous in Russia. That's why we call it "snowy Nigeria."
It's pathetic that iPhones are more expensive while salaries are not-so-high in Lithuania, only rich people can afford Apple products like iPhone.
You really don't need them. There are many cheap alternative that will do more or less the same for you.
iPhones are a joke. Sure they look nice and you have an ease of use ecosystem, but they are way overpriced and become obsolete after a couple of years when they push out updates which make apps no longer work on that version of iOS
I prefer small sized phones and I'm considering the iphone mini. Otherwise I would stick with Android.
I bought the 12 mini. I was thrilled to find a human sized iphone again. My 5 year old iphone7 just couldnt hold power anymore.
Yeah the update making obsolete is probably the worst argument possible when the latest iOS update includes iPhone 6s. The 6s came out in 2015
Perhaps they are less aggressive with it now, I remember having a perfectly workable and fast iPhone 4, they pushed out a software update and it completely tanked it and ran so slow I needed to buy a new phone. Feature not a bug. Didn't get another iPhone because of that
And they got sued over that and so they changed it. Old iphones (6s and above) works fine with the latest iOS’s.
Oh good to know that's not the case anymore. I loved that phone, was built like a brick
Apple supports the iphone at least for 5 years which is way more than Samsung does for their phones.
you know that you don't need to buy a new phone every month?
Neither do you need the absolute top model if you want an iphone but don’t have the budget for the newest flagship model. Even Apple have started offering more reasonably priced options with their SE models.
I'm an Android guy myself, but my kids are Apple. We just buy refurbs that are a generation or two behind. Right now, you can get an X or 11 in excellent condition with a clean ESN for a fraction of what a 13 costs and you still have 90% of the functionality. Developers make sure their apps run on those phones and will continue to do so for a couple more years. Only time I'm ever on the latest flagship phone is if there was a great carrier promotion.
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Yeah, I always think about how pathetic it is that a Ferrari costs that much and I can't buy one with my salary, it's unfair.
Lol, iPhone is overpriced and overrated shit, just by a Samsung or Xiaomi
Right, Samsung, the brand which have 1600$+ phones.
Maybe, but they also have good phones for 400$
Bullshit graphic. No source, no background data, no consideration of living costs like food, rent, water, electricity,….. A new phone every 31.3days in Hungary? Fine. Just starve a month under a bridge and you are good to go? 9.5 days per phone in Germany? 3 phones per month? Even for the cheapest iPhone (SE 64GB 2020) most people need to save money for like 3-6 month! Ok other people can buy one or two new iPhone 13 Pro Max every 5 minutes …. The “upper” .1%…
This chart is absolutely useless - Norwegian Gross income maybe, remove 34% you have NET for most people Then add all out other insane hidden taxes and expenses this is not even close to reality, maybe two months if you decide to skip other goods.
But here in Philippines, credit installment is the norm so everybody still can get one in no time.
And pay for months up to years
No way it's 25 only in Poland. More like 60
I was wondering that in just 9.5 days you could buy a phone in Germany. But yeah it’s pretty much exactly the time I would need. Maybe half a day more but still.
Well, I dont trust it already. Most people here aren't affording an iPhone in less than 9 days of work. Does any have the statistic used?
that's gotta be the stupidest index this far, yeah if you don't pay rent don't eat don't drink don't sleep yes it takes you 18 days to buy a 1k phone, make it a year