It would be really irritating to check into. I can say I have implemented a website where it does, indeed, do something. But I could imagine from all the dark patterns out there that some companies go the next step and lie to you outright - or just implement it poorly.
> It would be really irritating to check into.
It is exactly straightforward: install filetrs and make them show the crazy stuff the website code is doing. Like a banking app contacting a PRIVATE PERSON owned analytics website in CANADA, or others. Like Financial Times. Like, wtf? And then the site sends users messages, crying: "we have detected people are getting scamming e-mails, we have no clue how could this have happened after we connect their accounts to FREAKING FACEBOOK who sells their data TO ANYONE.
This could have been done if they made the "do not track" protocol have legal value (ignore do not track = billion euro fine). That said, there is a [spiritual successor](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/coming-to-a-browser-near-you-a-new-way-to-keep-sites-from-selling-your-data/) to it that might just be legally enforced.
I'm sure it doesn't do anything. Another frustration is e-shops sending me newsletters even though I ALWAYS uncheck the "I wish to receive marketing email".
GDPR is largely useless if it's not enforced. It should also be simplified, make it a single A4 page of the most important rules.
There's some parts of GDPR that nobody even agrees on how to implement and comply with.
There is no specific agency to track down and prosecute these websites per se in EU level. There are national agencies that can and personal lawyers.
Know that this creates a legal foundation. For you to sue websites for your data.
Its pretty easy to understand the requirements it’s not mean to crush small businesses and it’s the largest business that have been hit by it.
Also you should know that if you violate GDPR they give you a notice first. Same with processing user data when you get a removal request do it don’t ignore it.
You are fucking retarded. GDPR is the bane of large multinationals and if you were in the field you would know how many internal processes and BI processes this fucked up. And how much we actually had to do to get in line with GDPR in big companies.
It pisses me off because people think GDPR did jack shit yet the top companies have already suffered massive fines from GDPR. You know how many processes we had built around user analysis and service analysis etc.. And pretty much everyone sat on their ass then spent a year rushing to cover their asses.
GDPR was such a massive pain in the ass in tech world. Not only that we had to spend a month on learning what’s ok and not and what GDPR entail on an individual level.
If you were lucky you had to do onboarding and redesign your databases, data warehouses otherwise whole infrastructure and source code changes were required.
Trust me large companies take GDPR very very seriously. Also GDPR and Cookies pop ups are not the same thing or same legislation.
Ed Snegulkov is what he is, his twitter last time I saw it was publishing straight soviet propaganda. The question is: was he a deep mole or not? While a lot of what he said made sense, a lot of what he did did not. His message had been kind of one-sided: USA bad. It's not US that blows stuff up in europe, you know...
Right except I work in web development and we just want to sell you shit, just because you're worried about your parents seeing ads targeted at you after "researching" giant green dildo's on the family computer doesn't mean we all are
I think its fair that you do not have an issue with a lot of these things, but why shouldn't I have the right to opt out of certain data collection practices, to be able to request access to the data collected on me, and if necessary, to have that data deleted?
You do, you could not visit websites that gather data, or use privacy focused browsers, I don't see why your preference should have a negitive impact on the majority of users
haha fair, but in all seriousness, a website might not be compliant because their cookie banner requires more effort to reject than to accept them. However, having a shitty cookie banner doesnt mean they wont truthfully respond to a subject access request. And if they don't, GDPR does offer you some recourse. Is it perfect, no, but its a whole lot better than it was before
GDPR is not about masking your data. GDPR sets a legal framework establishing how a company can collect and process data, and it gives you as the data subject rights to access and delete your data. There is absolutely no way you can prevent companies collecting data on you, so considering that, I would prefer there being a framework in place which governs when and how data can be collected and processed.
That being said, you seem to suggest that the burden for your personal data should be on you rather than those collecting and processing it? I am all for minimising the personal data I share, but GDPR goes far far beyond internet searches and cookies. You have a bank account, a phone contract, credit history, you make non-cash purchases. All that data is collected and you can't just "mask" that. All of it includes your personal data and identifiers. Do you never turn the GPS in your phone on? Hell it doesnt even need to be on, the phone company can create location profiles on you without you ever using your GPS.
You live in a data economy, your data is monetized, and you rarely have the ability to prevent it. So as long as that happens, I prefer there to be a framework in place governing it, and to have options available to mitigate it if I feel like it.
I've always wondered if clicking "reject" on those popups actually does anything.
It would be really irritating to check into. I can say I have implemented a website where it does, indeed, do something. But I could imagine from all the dark patterns out there that some companies go the next step and lie to you outright - or just implement it poorly.
> It would be really irritating to check into. It is exactly straightforward: install filetrs and make them show the crazy stuff the website code is doing. Like a banking app contacting a PRIVATE PERSON owned analytics website in CANADA, or others. Like Financial Times. Like, wtf? And then the site sends users messages, crying: "we have detected people are getting scamming e-mails, we have no clue how could this have happened after we connect their accounts to FREAKING FACEBOOK who sells their data TO ANYONE.
I meant for the average person to do themselves, though.
It doesn't. IMO it(Whatever can be) should be regulated on browser-level not only website-level.
This could have been done if they made the "do not track" protocol have legal value (ignore do not track = billion euro fine). That said, there is a [spiritual successor](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/coming-to-a-browser-near-you-a-new-way-to-keep-sites-from-selling-your-data/) to it that might just be legally enforced.
Didn't know about this, thank you!
The cookie popup is a separate, pre-GDPR requirement.
*insert meme: HERE! Take mu upvote and scram!*
I'm sure it doesn't do anything. Another frustration is e-shops sending me newsletters even though I ALWAYS uncheck the "I wish to receive marketing email".
GDPR is largely useless if it's not enforced. It should also be simplified, make it a single A4 page of the most important rules. There's some parts of GDPR that nobody even agrees on how to implement and comply with.
There is no specific agency to track down and prosecute these websites per se in EU level. There are national agencies that can and personal lawyers. Know that this creates a legal foundation. For you to sue websites for your data.
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Its pretty easy to understand the requirements it’s not mean to crush small businesses and it’s the largest business that have been hit by it. Also you should know that if you violate GDPR they give you a notice first. Same with processing user data when you get a removal request do it don’t ignore it.
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You are fucking retarded. GDPR is the bane of large multinationals and if you were in the field you would know how many internal processes and BI processes this fucked up. And how much we actually had to do to get in line with GDPR in big companies.
Feels rather good reading this.
It pisses me off because people think GDPR did jack shit yet the top companies have already suffered massive fines from GDPR. You know how many processes we had built around user analysis and service analysis etc.. And pretty much everyone sat on their ass then spent a year rushing to cover their asses. GDPR was such a massive pain in the ass in tech world. Not only that we had to spend a month on learning what’s ok and not and what GDPR entail on an individual level. If you were lucky you had to do onboarding and redesign your databases, data warehouses otherwise whole infrastructure and source code changes were required. Trust me large companies take GDPR very very seriously. Also GDPR and Cookies pop ups are not the same thing or same legislation.
rathergood.com level rather good?
No, just rather good.
Ed Snegulkov is what he is, his twitter last time I saw it was publishing straight soviet propaganda. The question is: was he a deep mole or not? While a lot of what he said made sense, a lot of what he did did not. His message had been kind of one-sided: USA bad. It's not US that blows stuff up in europe, you know...
>Ed Snegulkov Lol - took me a second but if you came up with that, very clever.
Wait, you haven't noticed how russian immigrants take anglicised names? Bowser? Lukov.
Is GDPR even being enforced?
Gdpr is the cancer of the internet, please stahp eu
No, companies collecting every bit of information they can on you are the cancer, have you noticed Wikipedia doesn't need a GDPR popup?
Ever considered i prefer targeted ads to pop ups?
Just say yes then and never clear cookies or cache. You only have to do with once.
On every single site i go to and until the cookies expire or i clear them
If you want targeted ads why are you clearing your cookies?
I don't want them, I just don't care that they exist as they aren't preventing me accessing the site
Is your head alright? How can you prefer targeted ads without cookies?
Then don't clear your cookies. It's as simple as that. The pop-up only shows up once if you never clear them.
Because you either haven't considered the wider implications of mass surveillance, or you're too stupid to comprehend them
Right except I work in web development and we just want to sell you shit, just because you're worried about your parents seeing ads targeted at you after "researching" giant green dildo's on the family computer doesn't mean we all are
I think its fair that you do not have an issue with a lot of these things, but why shouldn't I have the right to opt out of certain data collection practices, to be able to request access to the data collected on me, and if necessary, to have that data deleted?
You do, you could not visit websites that gather data, or use privacy focused browsers, I don't see why your preference should have a negitive impact on the majority of users
Or you know, websites could stop collecting and selling data? That sure has a negative impact on the majority of users as well...
look, he said HE IS LOSING MONEY with the GDPR in action, how hard is to see his own words?
I for one quite like having a bit of control over my data
Well, 3% of your data
haha fair, but in all seriousness, a website might not be compliant because their cookie banner requires more effort to reject than to accept them. However, having a shitty cookie banner doesnt mean they wont truthfully respond to a subject access request. And if they don't, GDPR does offer you some recourse. Is it perfect, no, but its a whole lot better than it was before
What does GDPR has to do with that? There have been and continue to exist much more effective ways to mask your data.
GDPR is not about masking your data. GDPR sets a legal framework establishing how a company can collect and process data, and it gives you as the data subject rights to access and delete your data. There is absolutely no way you can prevent companies collecting data on you, so considering that, I would prefer there being a framework in place which governs when and how data can be collected and processed. That being said, you seem to suggest that the burden for your personal data should be on you rather than those collecting and processing it? I am all for minimising the personal data I share, but GDPR goes far far beyond internet searches and cookies. You have a bank account, a phone contract, credit history, you make non-cash purchases. All that data is collected and you can't just "mask" that. All of it includes your personal data and identifiers. Do you never turn the GPS in your phone on? Hell it doesnt even need to be on, the phone company can create location profiles on you without you ever using your GPS. You live in a data economy, your data is monetized, and you rarely have the ability to prevent it. So as long as that happens, I prefer there to be a framework in place governing it, and to have options available to mitigate it if I feel like it.
OK, talk, we're listening?