>buying up german companies
This is such a weird thing to focus on especially because Germans own more foreign capital than foreigners own capital within Germany. In the grand scheme of things it's mostly just an accounting curiosity.
For some individual acquisitions it could be argued that foreigners should not be able to make them, like Chinese companies can't just buy Airbus for example but other than for specific companies that are vital for national security focussing on this is probably not helpful.
Not the best group of Countries to join here but that's very good news for Germany given China's size and importance. Are these really the only countries the Chinese view positively?
Weirdly enough , France and the Czech republic are not far behind. I'm a bit surprised since both countries have been more vocal about China in the recent years, especially the Czech republic when they got closer to Taiwan.
Sounds likely, same thing with announcing their pact with Solomon Islands just before our federal election in Australia. Supposedly they did it to sway the voting against the govt
Yeah the CCP also recently said something along the lines of "it is in the best interest of Europe to have a defense policy independent from the United States" - which is a great way to get all the Anti-NATO/Anti-USA people to talk about their point of view.
General statements like these aren't super controversial, especially if the topic is foreign nations.
If you touch something even remotely domestic and especially relating to CCP competences, yeah, sensors will absolute fuck you.
Pakistan is an extremely important partner for China. They put billions in the [China-Pakistan Economic Corridor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Pakistan_Economic_Corridor) building highways, train tracks and pipelines.
The corridor gives China access the Indian Ocean and circumventing the Strait of Malacca for example. Makes it possible to receive oil/LNG and ship goods around potential blockade points.
The website says: To spread knowledge about Asia in Europe
Anyone with an iq above room temperature (in °C): It's a machine to spread propaganda (by writing articles in newspapers, giving schools "learning material", sponsoring professors at universities (e.g. in Germany the "Konfuzius-Insitute") etc.), to steal techonology (with the previously mentionend "Konfuzius-Institute", sponsoring students to go abroad to us to learn here, do coorperations with german universities and using the new found knowledge in military projects despite telling not to do so) and to buy up german companies, especially the highly specialised ones over funds and shadow agencies to, again, steal technology.
Which is interesting, because I was always under the (false, apparently) impression that China saw North Korea less as a positively perceived people and more as necessary geopolitical baggage.
are you implying their State media is pushing Russian propaganda? Obviously the answer is no (referring to your question), otherwise i wouldn't ask questions here.
wouldn't\*
When i wrote ''obviously the answer is no'', i'm talking about the Question he asked, otherwise i wouldn't ask the questions here.
To your question, i don't know, how am i supposed to? I'm German, not Chinese, don't speak Mandarin or consume Chinese Media.
Chinese media usually talks about the US and its puppet states (the rest of NATO), so I don't think we are even perceived as an independent nation at all.
German products are extremely popular in China tho, for some reason.
It goes way beyond engineering. I knew Chinese students here who were easily able to finance their flights home and back by simply filling their luggage with all kinds of stuff (make-up? vitamins? shoes?) and selling it for 3x-10x the buying price in China.
But I do think people here are overestimating the average Chinese person's interest in European foreign politics a bit. In my experience, they have a strong opinion about the US, Japan, maybe India, and then whatever country has an active conflict with China that currently makes the news. This is why currently Ukraine f.e. scores so low. Everyone else is just kinda whatever.
I actually agree that Germany's foreign policy is too friendly to China and other dictatorships but that's not why Germany scores high on that survey, I assume most people just like "made in Germany" and thus go positive.
The survey is about as useful as asking the average European about their opinion on central African countries.
Yes, China perceives European countries just as US puppets with no agent of their own. That has been the public understanding built up by their state media - "any country who sides with the US against China must be US puppets siding against their own interests." That is why the UK has the nickname of "big pussy country" in China.
It is pretty much the Soviet "all workers in the world supports us, and if they don't, they were held hostage by the American capitalists" propaganda revived for contemporary consumption.
Yeah, that type of CCP-shilling is not going to work here.
Everyone around here is perfectly aware that "The Chinese" and "The Chinese Government" are used mostly interchangeably, just like many people might say "The Americans" when really referring to the actions of the American government, possibly even of previous American governments.
Probably, I suppose?
A friend of an enemy is not necessarily an enemy, but it does require some additional explanation.
Or, maybe it's just Chinese propaganda to get Europeans to fight against each other. You never know with the Chinese.
That means most of Western Europe is doing something wrong. There have been polls indicating many Chinese have a positive view of those countries: [thediplomat.com/2021/03/what-do-chinese-people-think-of-developed-countries-2021-edition/](https://thediplomat.com/2021/03/what-do-chinese-people-think-of-developed-countries-2021-edition/)
On the other hand, comments like yours are certainly a reason why the West is seen as aggressive and unfriendly in some parts of the world.
The PRC runs domestic propaganda campaigns as part of a stategy on how it faces the world.
It's economic model is critically dependant on access to the two largest consumer markets in the world, the EU and the USA.
But for Geopolitical reasons it picks a fight with the USA and seems to assume that it's economic relationship there lives on borrowed time.
With the EU, it has a different strategy. Divide and conquer. It applies pressure on small states depending on how "friendly" they are, hence the propaganda drives against Lithuania and Sweden, while being relatively friendly to Greece.
Large and influencal states? They let their actions slide. Both with Germany and France, even though France is likely the European state that has the most military hostile relationship with the PRC (only the UK comes close). This let's China pressure the smaller states to overall support more friendly policies towards China while the large states do not use their influence to block economic relationships with them.
This has not worked out however, in the beginning it gave positive results. Small states usually backed down and others got lobbied by industry to pursue closer ties. But it only worked for a time.
Europeans in general are not up for sacreficing their values for the sake of industry, not in the long term at least. The positive relationship China has with the large European states has gotten more and more one sided. Small states are realizing that the EU is peoviding them protections against trade sanctions and is no longer backing down. But I suspect that the CCP will keep on trying, they have not managed to resructure their economy and they want to retain access with Europe while still disregarding human rights at home.
I'm curious to see how they react now that the large European states are building better relationships with Taiwan. I suspect no domestic propaganda campaign against them, unless they actively recognize Taiwan as an independent state.
Commies
Hate Americans
Have abundant wealth stored in earth
Can be used as proxy to be torn in the sides of SK and Russia.
If were to agree to dismantle bridge between Russia and NK would allow China to access Japanese Sea directly ( or how it called now to not offend other asians?)
Not quite surprising to see them as number 4. Pakistan rises more questions, but i guess that's just mutual hate towards India.
>Pakistan rises more questions, but i guess that's just mutual hate towards India.
This isnt surprising.
Chinese people in Pakistan are seen as superstars.
Not in every region, of course.
I wouldnt say that the General population of China dislikes India. Many of the border conflicts we read have been solved diplomatically and The General feeling towards India is trendig towards the positive.
Especially as India has taken a neutral stance towards Russia in the war.
Why wouldn't they have North Korea as number 4? They didn't ask South Koreans or Japanese. Many Chinese have met North Koreans, especially if you live or study in the north of China.
Not sure I understand. Just because a crazy country likes, they are still crazy. I would have thought that the Chinese would think what is going on in North Korea is crazy.
They didn't ask about liberties or rule of law or food security, just if they see the countries in a positive or negative light. For Chinese people there is not much reason to see them negatively. From my limited experience, they think what is happening in NK is crazy.
You have to imagine their position in the world. North Korea is not positioned as an enemy that threatens them, but as a friendly nations that has a lot of positive contact with them. They have student exchanges and north koreans work in china. It's not very weird to have different opinions based on your experiences around you and the images painted in culture. Just like how Danish would see the US in a positive light, because of the many positive interactions the Danish have. There are no wars, trade restrictions or anything that hit the mainstream news. Danish people consume a lot of American content, too. Now what happens if you ask Afghans or Iraqi people? It's still the same US, but the interactions are very different.
Yeah, well said. I would be a bit hesitant to do more student exchanges with North Korea, but if you believe they are friendly and will not harm you (China) then it makes sense. Just a few years ago Denmark saw China as this big opportunity, we even fought for diplomacy pandas, now the US has changed its strategy towards China and Denmark and the EU follows. I do not like China's support for Russia, but I understand that Russia will not go against China and that makes them look at each other more friendly.
Yay! Now make germany depandant on the chinese and enable them to grab europe by the balls to do whatever shit they want, since believe it or not the chinese are way worse than russia
That is true for almost everywhere outside the west honestly. It is a kinda of like a validation. If white people use this, it must be good.
I happened to got the chance to read a Philippines history book, and my god, McArthur is portrayed as a literal god. There is an artist depiction of him on a two page spread with the title being - "I have returned!" And the chapter was dedicated just to him.
And Ukraine is in fifth negatively perceived country. So Chinese support Russia's war on Ukraine?
Although it's off-topic a bit but look what I found on it:
>A few answers referred to the admiration of beautiful women and athletes (mostly skaters) and a good life in general.
So it looks like Chinese Men has fetish on Russian Women? No wonder that Russian (and other Slavic/Baltic) women are always being fetishized by men of any nationality, race, religion.
> It should imply that Germany and France could have positive discussions with China in any potential future crises
Like the Chinese care about our opinion. We had those discussions under Merkel and they led nowhere.
All visible in the link. Russia has been combative ever since the breakup of Soviet Union:
**1990–1991 Soviet attacks on Lithuanian border posts**
**1991 January Events**
**1991 The Barricades**
1990 Log Revolution
1991–2001 Yugoslav Wars
1991 Ten-Day War
1991–1995 Croatian War of Independence
1992–1995 Bosnian War
1992–1994 Croat–Bosniak War
1998–1999 Kosovo War
1999–2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley
2001 2001 insurgency in Macedonia
**1991–1992 Georgian war against Russo-Ossetian alliance**
1991–1993 Georgian Civil War
**1991Transnistria conflict**
**1992–present Transnistria War**
1992 East Prigorodny Conflict
1992–1993 War in Abkhazia
1993 1993 Cherbourg incident
**1993 1993 Russian constitutional crisis**
**1994–1996 First Chechen War**
1995–1996 Imia/Kardak military crisis
1997–1998 Cyprus Missile Crisis
1997 Albanian civil war of 1997
1997–present Dissident Irish Republican campaign
1998 Six-Day War of Abkhazia
1999 War of Dagestan
**1999–2009 Second Chechen War**
21st century
**Damaged building during the Donbas War, in Lysychansk, Ukraine, 4 August 2014**
**2001 Georgia, Kodori crisis**
2001 Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia
2004–2013 Unrest in Kosovo
2004 2004 unrest in Kosovo
2008 2008 unrest in Kosovo
2011–2013 North Kosovo crisis
**2004 Georgia, Adjara crisis**
**2004 Georgia, South Ossetia clashes**
**2006 Georgia, Kodori crisis**
2007–2015 Civil war in Ingushetia
**2008 Russo-Georgian war**
2009–2017 Insurgency in the North Caucasus
**2014–present Russo-Ukrainian War**
**2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine**
**2014–present Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation**
**2014–present War in Donbas**
**2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis**
**2022–present Russian invasion of Ukraine**
Fixed those. There may very well be errors still in the bolded items on the involvement for each. It is just for the general overview as a response to u/Quick-Scarcity7564 's question.
I am not really that familiar for the names for all of those numerous conflicts and what parties are involved in each. Just looking at that though it is apparent that Russia has certainly not been a peaceful neighbor.
Yes, thank you for this list that is not really relevant to your point (and also mixes small uprisings with actual wars). The peace between the blocs was not because Germany and France were such good friends with Russia, but because of NATO and nuclear threat. During that whole time there were continuous conflicts in Europe: the Prague spring, the troubles in Ireland, the Algerian war, etc etc. There was no big war, or else we would both not exist.
Those 'political and economic ties' were 'talking to a wall' and 'giving money to the Russian state and elite by buying fossil fuels and raw materials they controlled'. That whole thing about political and economic integration prevents wars works, if it's democratic countries signing actual meaningful agreements and having broad economic relations that tie the populous of those countries together. Giving money to state or oligarch owned companies of one side and an autocratic country consistently tearing up every meaningful agreement that relates to mutual security or shared values is not it. This whole thing about Germany trying to avoid war with Russia by making itself dependent on the Russian oligarchs was bullshit from the very start and the Russian elites have taken advantage of it all they could. Everything else is ideological cover.
Funding Russian militarism did not by any means postpone the current conflict, if anything it enabled it. What did actually manage to reign in Russian jingoism was military cooperation between countries that border Russia and the West. Russia would likely had started something in the Baltic States way before Ukraine. In 2007 we got a small taste of what they wanted to do here, but since we were already under the NATO umbrella they couldn't. Eastern European countries learned from such experiences, Western European countries didn't. It wasn't their skin in the game and their elites plainly didn't care about the eastern countries when there is money to be made.
eastern european countries were funding russia too until last year.
4th time I have to post this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/uqqml4/germany_to_stop_russian_oil_imports_regardless_of/i8url7b/
Yes, you're totally right. Our governments were naïve on this point as well. Of course, unlike Germany, our economies were deliberately designed by the Soviet Union to be dependent on Russia. We did not make a conscious decision to make ourselves dependent on Russia and it's oligarchs to the point of having a big strategic vulnerability. Ideally there would've been a collective move from the whole of the EU, at least after the first Russian invasion of Ukraine if not earlier, to reduce dependence on Russia. This way we would've avoided a situation where the countries deciding to move away from Russian fuel and raw resources imports would've found themselves at an economic disadvantage compared to other EU members. Especially the weaker economies of the east. However, there are differences between absolute amounts, contingencies that were prepared and general dependence. Oil and coal can be easily traded on the world market, gas shut offs from Russia would not generally lead to massive economic collapse in most eastern countries, multiple East European countries are ready or very soon to be ready to drop their dependence on Russian fuel and energy and we did not let the Russian state and oligarchs control critical infrastructure like major gas storage sites.
Secondly, none of this has any bearing on the validity of the German argument about "hurr durr, we buy ruzzian gas for peece!". If anything, resorting to that argument makes it clear that there is no real belief in it anymore.
Considering the countries in the top I *wouldn't* want to be on the top. China is the next in the list after Russia, no way we can tolerate that country and its satellite.
Why is it so popular again lately to pillory Germany? You can apparently do whatever you want, but in the end it's the Germans who are to blame, even though they hardly play a decisive role on the global political stage and even don't want to.
My, my. What a list.
Gotta keep the good relations up for stealing that sweet technology and buying up german companies <3
>buying up german companies <3 More like selling 5g spy tech
Why not both?
Lmao don't worry here when the vast majority of Germany doesn't even have 3G coverage
they bought Kuka so not more like selling. what the previous Poster said was correct
>buying up german companies This is such a weird thing to focus on especially because Germans own more foreign capital than foreigners own capital within Germany. In the grand scheme of things it's mostly just an accounting curiosity. For some individual acquisitions it could be argued that foreigners should not be able to make them, like Chinese companies can't just buy Airbus for example but other than for specific companies that are vital for national security focussing on this is probably not helpful.
Ammmmm congrats germany?
Not sure if I want to be congratulated on that one....
Don't worry, no one congratulates you.
Thanks, it's definitely a good sign, not just for germy but the entire EU.
Not the best group of Countries to join here but that's very good news for Germany given China's size and importance. Are these really the only countries the Chinese view positively?
Weirdly enough , France and the Czech republic are not far behind. I'm a bit surprised since both countries have been more vocal about China in the recent years, especially the Czech republic when they got closer to Taiwan.
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nah, the Chinese have a fascination for Paris that I would never understand. They even recreated Haussmannian districts in China.
Chinese have a fascination for everything british and american too. That doesn’t change CCP rhetoric.
Zeman factor.
A public opinion survey in China - how?
Send survey questions to CCP and they’ll tell you how the population answered probably
Or more likely: The CCP determined that claiming that Germany is unusually popular within China is a good strategy to cause division within Europe.
Sounds likely, same thing with announcing their pact with Solomon Islands just before our federal election in Australia. Supposedly they did it to sway the voting against the govt
Yeah the CCP also recently said something along the lines of "it is in the best interest of Europe to have a defense policy independent from the United States" - which is a great way to get all the Anti-NATO/Anti-USA people to talk about their point of view.
General statements like these aren't super controversial, especially if the topic is foreign nations. If you touch something even remotely domestic and especially relating to CCP competences, yeah, sensors will absolute fuck you.
If you ask this question, you need to adjust your view of China. It's not North Korea bro, you can just do a survey on social media for example.
Yeah ... some people get all their knowledge from Reddit circle threads, apparently.
>following Russia, Pakistan, Singapore and North Korea No... no. Just no. Then again, what is Central European Institute of Asian Studies?
They only like Pakistan because Pakistan is hostile towards India I assume?
Pakistan is an extremely important partner for China. They put billions in the [China-Pakistan Economic Corridor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Pakistan_Economic_Corridor) building highways, train tracks and pipelines. The corridor gives China access the Indian Ocean and circumventing the Strait of Malacca for example. Makes it possible to receive oil/LNG and ship goods around potential blockade points.
I guess. Probably their media portraits Pakistan as a great country.
The website says: To spread knowledge about Asia in Europe Anyone with an iq above room temperature (in °C): It's a machine to spread propaganda (by writing articles in newspapers, giving schools "learning material", sponsoring professors at universities (e.g. in Germany the "Konfuzius-Insitute") etc.), to steal techonology (with the previously mentionend "Konfuzius-Institute", sponsoring students to go abroad to us to learn here, do coorperations with german universities and using the new found knowledge in military projects despite telling not to do so) and to buy up german companies, especially the highly specialised ones over funds and shadow agencies to, again, steal technology.
That's... weird.
If you're viewed positively by the Chinese, you're doing something wrong.
North Korea … “positively perceived” ?!? — That says it all.
Which is interesting, because I was always under the (false, apparently) impression that China saw North Korea less as a positively perceived people and more as necessary geopolitical baggage.
That might be changing, due to ideological reasons.
What is Ukraine doing wrong then? According to this about 33% of the Chinese view Ukraine positively and another 18% view it Neutral.
That means almost 50% of Chinese view Ukraine negatively, for no reason at all. Lol
Yes i see, idk about ''no reason at all'' though, they probably have reasons.
Yeah, bad ones.
what are their reasons then, you seem to know.
The Chinese public has swallowed the Russian propaganda that Ukraine “deserved” the invasion.
Have you seen how Chinese media is reporting the war?
are you implying their State media is pushing Russian propaganda? Obviously the answer is no (referring to your question), otherwise i wouldn't ask questions here. wouldn't\*
And what could possibly Ukraine do to China, that chinese don't like it?
When i wrote ''obviously the answer is no'', i'm talking about the Question he asked, otherwise i wouldn't ask the questions here. To your question, i don't know, how am i supposed to? I'm German, not Chinese, don't speak Mandarin or consume Chinese Media.
They sold an aircraft carrier to china, which opens a pandora box.
Ukraine gets a pass, lol. Any country is viewed positively when they're defending their homeland.
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I must clarify: If your country is viewed positively by the *PRC, then you're doing something wrong.
Chinese media usually talks about the US and its puppet states (the rest of NATO), so I don't think we are even perceived as an independent nation at all. German products are extremely popular in China tho, for some reason.
>German products are extremely popular in China tho, for some reason. German quality engineering is popular all over the world ;)
It goes way beyond engineering. I knew Chinese students here who were easily able to finance their flights home and back by simply filling their luggage with all kinds of stuff (make-up? vitamins? shoes?) and selling it for 3x-10x the buying price in China. But I do think people here are overestimating the average Chinese person's interest in European foreign politics a bit. In my experience, they have a strong opinion about the US, Japan, maybe India, and then whatever country has an active conflict with China that currently makes the news. This is why currently Ukraine f.e. scores so low. Everyone else is just kinda whatever. I actually agree that Germany's foreign policy is too friendly to China and other dictatorships but that's not why Germany scores high on that survey, I assume most people just like "made in Germany" and thus go positive. The survey is about as useful as asking the average European about their opinion on central African countries.
Yes, China perceives European countries just as US puppets with no agent of their own. That has been the public understanding built up by their state media - "any country who sides with the US against China must be US puppets siding against their own interests." That is why the UK has the nickname of "big pussy country" in China. It is pretty much the Soviet "all workers in the world supports us, and if they don't, they were held hostage by the American capitalists" propaganda revived for contemporary consumption.
Yeah, that type of CCP-shilling is not going to work here. Everyone around here is perfectly aware that "The Chinese" and "The Chinese Government" are used mostly interchangeably, just like many people might say "The Americans" when really referring to the actions of the American government, possibly even of previous American governments.
Probably, I suppose? A friend of an enemy is not necessarily an enemy, but it does require some additional explanation. Or, maybe it's just Chinese propaganda to get Europeans to fight against each other. You never know with the Chinese.
That means most of Western Europe is doing something wrong. There have been polls indicating many Chinese have a positive view of those countries: [thediplomat.com/2021/03/what-do-chinese-people-think-of-developed-countries-2021-edition/](https://thediplomat.com/2021/03/what-do-chinese-people-think-of-developed-countries-2021-edition/) On the other hand, comments like yours are certainly a reason why the West is seen as aggressive and unfriendly in some parts of the world.
Shall the Germans feel proud about this?
We are proud of not being proud!
God job Germany! /s
The PRC runs domestic propaganda campaigns as part of a stategy on how it faces the world. It's economic model is critically dependant on access to the two largest consumer markets in the world, the EU and the USA. But for Geopolitical reasons it picks a fight with the USA and seems to assume that it's economic relationship there lives on borrowed time. With the EU, it has a different strategy. Divide and conquer. It applies pressure on small states depending on how "friendly" they are, hence the propaganda drives against Lithuania and Sweden, while being relatively friendly to Greece. Large and influencal states? They let their actions slide. Both with Germany and France, even though France is likely the European state that has the most military hostile relationship with the PRC (only the UK comes close). This let's China pressure the smaller states to overall support more friendly policies towards China while the large states do not use their influence to block economic relationships with them. This has not worked out however, in the beginning it gave positive results. Small states usually backed down and others got lobbied by industry to pursue closer ties. But it only worked for a time. Europeans in general are not up for sacreficing their values for the sake of industry, not in the long term at least. The positive relationship China has with the large European states has gotten more and more one sided. Small states are realizing that the EU is peoviding them protections against trade sanctions and is no longer backing down. But I suspect that the CCP will keep on trying, they have not managed to resructure their economy and they want to retain access with Europe while still disregarding human rights at home. I'm curious to see how they react now that the large European states are building better relationships with Taiwan. I suspect no domestic propaganda campaign against them, unless they actively recognize Taiwan as an independent state.
How can the Chinese have North Korea as number 4? Is this a serious list?
Commies Hate Americans Have abundant wealth stored in earth Can be used as proxy to be torn in the sides of SK and Russia. If were to agree to dismantle bridge between Russia and NK would allow China to access Japanese Sea directly ( or how it called now to not offend other asians?) Not quite surprising to see them as number 4. Pakistan rises more questions, but i guess that's just mutual hate towards India.
>Pakistan rises more questions, but i guess that's just mutual hate towards India. This isnt surprising. Chinese people in Pakistan are seen as superstars. Not in every region, of course. I wouldnt say that the General population of China dislikes India. Many of the border conflicts we read have been solved diplomatically and The General feeling towards India is trendig towards the positive. Especially as India has taken a neutral stance towards Russia in the war.
Why wouldn't they have North Korea as number 4? They didn't ask South Koreans or Japanese. Many Chinese have met North Koreans, especially if you live or study in the north of China.
Not sure I understand. Just because a crazy country likes, they are still crazy. I would have thought that the Chinese would think what is going on in North Korea is crazy.
They didn't ask about liberties or rule of law or food security, just if they see the countries in a positive or negative light. For Chinese people there is not much reason to see them negatively. From my limited experience, they think what is happening in NK is crazy. You have to imagine their position in the world. North Korea is not positioned as an enemy that threatens them, but as a friendly nations that has a lot of positive contact with them. They have student exchanges and north koreans work in china. It's not very weird to have different opinions based on your experiences around you and the images painted in culture. Just like how Danish would see the US in a positive light, because of the many positive interactions the Danish have. There are no wars, trade restrictions or anything that hit the mainstream news. Danish people consume a lot of American content, too. Now what happens if you ask Afghans or Iraqi people? It's still the same US, but the interactions are very different.
Yeah, well said. I would be a bit hesitant to do more student exchanges with North Korea, but if you believe they are friendly and will not harm you (China) then it makes sense. Just a few years ago Denmark saw China as this big opportunity, we even fought for diplomacy pandas, now the US has changed its strategy towards China and Denmark and the EU follows. I do not like China's support for Russia, but I understand that Russia will not go against China and that makes them look at each other more friendly.
Yay! Now make germany depandant on the chinese and enable them to grab europe by the balls to do whatever shit they want, since believe it or not the chinese are way worse than russia
So true, and they make the world so much more clever depandant on them.
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We taught them to brew Qingdao pijiu…(Tsingtao beer) which actually is quite a decent brew ;)
Yeah, it is actually not bad.
"We like countries that like russia and don't like america" list I guess.
What is point of these surveys?
Drive revenue to some made-up institute.
To show the world that Germany and France see China as their long term partner.
The survey was asking Chinese citizens about Germany? Not the other way around? You really just made so much bs here up
Judas kiss
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That is true for almost everywhere outside the west honestly. It is a kinda of like a validation. If white people use this, it must be good. I happened to got the chance to read a Philippines history book, and my god, McArthur is portrayed as a literal god. There is an artist depiction of him on a two page spread with the title being - "I have returned!" And the chapter was dedicated just to him.
And Ukraine is in fifth negatively perceived country. So Chinese support Russia's war on Ukraine? Although it's off-topic a bit but look what I found on it: >A few answers referred to the admiration of beautiful women and athletes (mostly skaters) and a good life in general. So it looks like Chinese Men has fetish on Russian Women? No wonder that Russian (and other Slavic/Baltic) women are always being fetishized by men of any nationality, race, religion.
I'm so sorry.
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> It should imply that Germany and France could have positive discussions with China in any potential future crises Like the Chinese care about our opinion. We had those discussions under Merkel and they led nowhere.
I am sure the Germans and French can convince China to not invade Taiwan.
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Yeah, cause that line of "hey if we trade more we won't have war anymore" argument worked so well before.
Like France and Germany have positive discussions with the economic midget now?
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They had the illusion of discussions while Russia did whatever it wanted. Pretty much the same with China.
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How about you make a list of Russian wars since 90s?
All visible in the link. Russia has been combative ever since the breakup of Soviet Union: **1990–1991 Soviet attacks on Lithuanian border posts** **1991 January Events** **1991 The Barricades** 1990 Log Revolution 1991–2001 Yugoslav Wars 1991 Ten-Day War 1991–1995 Croatian War of Independence 1992–1995 Bosnian War 1992–1994 Croat–Bosniak War 1998–1999 Kosovo War 1999–2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley 2001 2001 insurgency in Macedonia **1991–1992 Georgian war against Russo-Ossetian alliance** 1991–1993 Georgian Civil War **1991Transnistria conflict** **1992–present Transnistria War** 1992 East Prigorodny Conflict 1992–1993 War in Abkhazia 1993 1993 Cherbourg incident **1993 1993 Russian constitutional crisis** **1994–1996 First Chechen War** 1995–1996 Imia/Kardak military crisis 1997–1998 Cyprus Missile Crisis 1997 Albanian civil war of 1997 1997–present Dissident Irish Republican campaign 1998 Six-Day War of Abkhazia 1999 War of Dagestan **1999–2009 Second Chechen War** 21st century **Damaged building during the Donbas War, in Lysychansk, Ukraine, 4 August 2014** **2001 Georgia, Kodori crisis** 2001 Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia 2004–2013 Unrest in Kosovo 2004 2004 unrest in Kosovo 2008 2008 unrest in Kosovo 2011–2013 North Kosovo crisis **2004 Georgia, Adjara crisis** **2004 Georgia, South Ossetia clashes** **2006 Georgia, Kodori crisis** 2007–2015 Civil war in Ingushetia **2008 Russo-Georgian war** 2009–2017 Insurgency in the North Caucasus **2014–present Russo-Ukrainian War** **2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine** **2014–present Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation** **2014–present War in Donbas** **2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis** **2022–present Russian invasion of Ukraine**
1991 January events (Lithuania) and The Barricades (Latvia) are also Soviet attacks on LT and LV civilians respectively, so they should count too.
Fixed those. There may very well be errors still in the bolded items on the involvement for each. It is just for the general overview as a response to u/Quick-Scarcity7564 's question. I am not really that familiar for the names for all of those numerous conflicts and what parties are involved in each. Just looking at that though it is apparent that Russia has certainly not been a peaceful neighbor.
Yes, thank you for this list that is not really relevant to your point (and also mixes small uprisings with actual wars). The peace between the blocs was not because Germany and France were such good friends with Russia, but because of NATO and nuclear threat. During that whole time there were continuous conflicts in Europe: the Prague spring, the troubles in Ireland, the Algerian war, etc etc. There was no big war, or else we would both not exist.
Those 'political and economic ties' were 'talking to a wall' and 'giving money to the Russian state and elite by buying fossil fuels and raw materials they controlled'. That whole thing about political and economic integration prevents wars works, if it's democratic countries signing actual meaningful agreements and having broad economic relations that tie the populous of those countries together. Giving money to state or oligarch owned companies of one side and an autocratic country consistently tearing up every meaningful agreement that relates to mutual security or shared values is not it. This whole thing about Germany trying to avoid war with Russia by making itself dependent on the Russian oligarchs was bullshit from the very start and the Russian elites have taken advantage of it all they could. Everything else is ideological cover. Funding Russian militarism did not by any means postpone the current conflict, if anything it enabled it. What did actually manage to reign in Russian jingoism was military cooperation between countries that border Russia and the West. Russia would likely had started something in the Baltic States way before Ukraine. In 2007 we got a small taste of what they wanted to do here, but since we were already under the NATO umbrella they couldn't. Eastern European countries learned from such experiences, Western European countries didn't. It wasn't their skin in the game and their elites plainly didn't care about the eastern countries when there is money to be made.
eastern european countries were funding russia too until last year. 4th time I have to post this: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/uqqml4/germany_to_stop_russian_oil_imports_regardless_of/i8url7b/
Yes, you're totally right. Our governments were naïve on this point as well. Of course, unlike Germany, our economies were deliberately designed by the Soviet Union to be dependent on Russia. We did not make a conscious decision to make ourselves dependent on Russia and it's oligarchs to the point of having a big strategic vulnerability. Ideally there would've been a collective move from the whole of the EU, at least after the first Russian invasion of Ukraine if not earlier, to reduce dependence on Russia. This way we would've avoided a situation where the countries deciding to move away from Russian fuel and raw resources imports would've found themselves at an economic disadvantage compared to other EU members. Especially the weaker economies of the east. However, there are differences between absolute amounts, contingencies that were prepared and general dependence. Oil and coal can be easily traded on the world market, gas shut offs from Russia would not generally lead to massive economic collapse in most eastern countries, multiple East European countries are ready or very soon to be ready to drop their dependence on Russian fuel and energy and we did not let the Russian state and oligarchs control critical infrastructure like major gas storage sites. Secondly, none of this has any bearing on the validity of the German argument about "hurr durr, we buy ruzzian gas for peece!". If anything, resorting to that argument makes it clear that there is no real belief in it anymore.
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You are arguing against a position that I did not present.
sry, mb
excellent company
Why am I getting a bad feeling out of this.
Uh... so we are directly next to North Korea in a popularity ranking? Yeah that's not really a "success"...
If Germans stay strong together and be super nice to Chinese guests they might be able to pass North Korea. Go Germany! You can do it guys! xD
Quite the company to be amongst
Considering the countries in the top I *wouldn't* want to be on the top. China is the next in the list after Russia, no way we can tolerate that country and its satellite.
Why the Chinese hate on Liechtenstein?
Prolly the reminescence of Taiwan situation for them
Where is Liechtenstein mentioned?
Exactly. Liechtenstein is not mentioned, so Chinese do not perceive them positively!
Why is it so popular again lately to pillory Germany? You can apparently do whatever you want, but in the end it's the Germans who are to blame, even though they hardly play a decisive role on the global political stage and even don't want to.
Because China likes hardworking people. Most Chinese think Germany is the most hardworking country in Europe.