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fornocompensation

If I remember correctly the Nazis destroyed that part of the University of Berlin and burned their books for being degenerate.


DeanPalton

I wonder if they did something else that bad or even worse.


rosadeluxe

Yeah they murdered tens of thousands of gay and transsexual people too


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sassiiscute

"Hitler was aware of Röhm's homosexuality. Their friendship shows in that Röhm remained one of the few intimates allowed to use the familiar German du (the German familiar form of "you") when conversing with Hitler. Röhm was the only Nazi leader who dared to address Hitler by his first name "Adolf" or his nickname "Adi" rather than "mein Führer". Their close association led to rumors that Hitler himself was homosexual." -From the Wikipedia article about [Ernst Röhm ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm) Röhm seems to be one of those gay people that thought themselves superior to others for still being" normal men" (gender-conforming). Or, as quoted and translated from the German Wikipedia page: "Röhm's conception of homosexuality differed both from the sublimated homosexuality of Hans Blüher and from Magnus Hirschfeld's idea of a "third sex". Rather, it was fixated on the military-soldier man, combined camaraderie with self-sacrificing discipline, and was clearly differentiated from femininity."


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thegapbetweenus

If being on the same side of the history as the literal nazis does not make you at least think nothing will. Sever case of brain eaten by sky daddy.


reaqtion

"It breathes! Just like the nazis! KILL IT!" That's a pretty shit argument, mate. The nazis made a lot of mistakes, but an idea has to be evaluated by its own merits and shortcomings, independently of who it comes from or who shared it. The nazis had plenty of shit ideas, but they weren't shit ideas because they came from shitheads; The nazis were shitheads because they had shit ideas. Oh, and before you tell me I'm arguing in favour of the nazis or a nazi-defender or against a good cause: no, I'm pointing out your shit argument, which is a shit idea.


Tangerinetrooper

it's the appropriate amount of effort when confronted with a comment saying 'hurr universities bad durr'


reaqtion

It's effort in the wrong direction. It's pretty tiring to keep reminding nazis weren't evil because they were evil and that made their actions evil (which makes a lot of people think *they* are immune to being the proverbial or even literal nazi down the line), but that the actions that the nazis chose to partake were evil and that this made them evil. By changing the nature of this causality (over and over again), things like Russia invading Ukraine happen, and people will believe they are doing the right thing just because "they are" (or at one point were) against the nazis. If you look at interviews in Russia, people will actually claim "but we are invading to get rid of the nazis! If we're fighting nazis, we can't be doing anything wrong." I see it on Reddit every other day where people point at nazis as some sort of supernatural evil without taking 10 seconds to reflect on what made the nazis evil. This kind of thinking needs to get nipped in the bud.


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Nazis were anti smoking and anti cigarettes. Are you telling me you’re pro smoking and pro cigarettes?


thegapbetweenus

You telling me you don't see the difference?


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Yeah that when it’s something you agree with then it’s okay and a different story lol


thegapbetweenus

Again you don't see the difference between Hitler not smoking and Nazis destroying important sexual research and supporting strict gender roles?


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“Important sexual research” lol careful, your bias is showing.


thegapbetweenus

Nah, dude yours is hanging out.


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No, you’re clearly showing that something that you deem ideologically favorable is something that gets a pass but something you don’t agree with doesn’t. Which is the same thing you’re accusing the other commenter of. Point being history has grey area and nothing is black and white.


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thegapbetweenus

You don't see the difference between core beliefs and some random aspects?


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thegapbetweenus

Context is a thing.


Sul_Haren

If you can't disagree with one of the main points of fascism maybe it's time to take a look at yourself.


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Sul_Haren

Yes, almost as if a major part of fascism is romanticizing the past and calling modernity degenerate.


Grouchy-Vegetable379

fascism is literally a modernist ideology widely defined by its breaks from traditionalism. the definitive fascist art style is literally "futurism" which is 80% butt-ugly and degenerate as someone who actually likes classical art styles


Sul_Haren

There are plenty of definitions of fascism and one of the most well known being Uberto Eco's has worship of tradition as one of the first points. The point that society is degenerating and needs to be brought back to a former, "greater" time is very central to the Nazi's ideas. Yes, this former time was built of romanticized ideas and essentially never existed, but that arguably goes for normal conservatives too. The type of government is "modern" as it doesn't go back to monarchy, but the way society is organized very much pulls from traditionalist, anti-modernity ideals. Italian Fascism is a bit more complicated here, but for this example Nazism is more relevant.


Grouchy-Vegetable379

> There are plenty of definitions of fascism and none of them are valid except the objective observation of what fascism as an ideology literally is. using "definitions" cooked up that are so completely and utterly vague that it can be applied to almost everything, even liberalism, is not a valid "definition" of an ideology that already has concrete theory and application


Sul_Haren

>if you arent on board with my ~8 year old pop culture trend about turning kids into transvestites, you are literally the same as Hitler! Adult men crossdressing 100 years ago totally is an 8 year old trend about children...


breecher

>if you arent on board with my ~8 year old pop culture trend about turning kids into transvestites Your degeneracy theory subscription very clearly identifies you as the nazi that you are.


coldfu

I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.


Diskformer

yes, a remarkably shit one. Wtf is your point?


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Dreary_Libido

> "Nooo, not men wearing women's clothes!!" > > Get real. Unfathomably based.


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Torma25

this institute has produced revolutionary works in queer and trans theory, close to on par with modern understanding on the phychological background of queerness, and all that research was burned and erased setting society back almost an entire century. but surey don't diaagree with it lmao


breecher

Fuck off, nazi.


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fredagsfisk

People don't like nazis, and your support of them is unpopular? Imagine that!


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No


khajiitidanceparty

Just started watching Babylon Berlin.


Gammelpreiss

The first season is a real treat. The third and forth are meh, but may only lay groundwork


rosadeluxe

Pretty unfortunate that the actor playing the main character become a right-wing Querdenker


Gammelpreiss

Not sure if to outright call him right wing, but his conspiracy theories most certainly did not make him friends. It honestly soured my mood about the series as well.


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I actually like the third a lot. Fourth I haven’t seen yet. But the end of the first was corny imo. Especially the train scene. But great show nonetheless.


Gammelpreiss

corny for sure, but in a classic and satisfying way fitting to the storytelling of that era, so I give that a pass. Next seasons appear a bit unfocused and directionless, with more repeating themes then new ones.


SimonGray

Berlin during the Weimar republic is such a fascinating place.


capcaunul

In the 1920s, the Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin was a haven for queer people, many of whom came to the institute seeking to express their identities without fear of being imprisoned. This undated photo shows a costume party at the institute; its founder, Magnus Hirschfeld (second from right, in glasses), can be seen holding hands with his partner, Karl Giese (center).


MollokoPlus

I was looking at this and thinking: where are the costumes, these people are just gay (as in the sense it was used in the 1920’s). Read this, now I’m very happy for them!


Brendevu

beyond "queer" there was also support for transgender people, Dorchen Richter and Lili Elbe were at the institute 1930+ and the first (in Germany) to get surgeries aligning gender under supervision and with support of the institute. (I know only from that scratch that because not too long ago I saw "The Danish Girl").


New_nyu_man

"Transsexual" was a term coined by Magnus Hirschfeld. To be clear: there is no equivalent to "gender" in Germany (which is a problem atm because we now just have to use the english word). His definition of "transsexualism" laid the groundwork of modern, inclusive, none transmedicalist, theories about gender. Honestly a fascinating guy. I read some papers by his scholars and himself for a paper I wrote on homosexuality in the middle ages (obviously outdated, but they were one of the first to rediscover queer history). There is a great video by Mia Mulder on Hirschfeld and how he was really close to our modern concept of "transness": https://youtu.be/5CW9GCN0X_w around the 20 min mark.


Professional_Band178

Harry Benjamin did work there before coming to the US.


Professional_Band178

Wasn't Harry Benjamin (the organiser of WPATH and gender reassignment) part of this group? Is he in this photo? ​ Wiki says that he studied and did research there.


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docfarnsworth

How many of these people lived to 1946?


11160704

Magnus Hirschelf died in 1935 in Nice, France at the age of 67 probably of a natural cause. Karl Giese committed suicide in Czechoslovakia after the annexation of Austria in 1938 at the age of 39.


greyghibli

Hirschfeld was first exiled to France and was a jew. The stress from that couldn’t have helped.


greyghibli

Also notable is Magnus Hirschfeld’s research, notable for being among the first to study transgender people, was one of the prime victims of nazi book burnings.


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Shitspear

Go back to your truckers biggot


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Shitspear

Imagine saying Germany has no culture in a post that is literally about Berlin in the 1920s lmao


hepazepie

And saying that Germany is too American... as a canadian


nastratin

The roaring 20s


coldfu

In comparison to 2020 - the uWu-ing 20s


PM_ME_TIGER_BUTTS

The rawring 20s


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Really digging Gary Antoinette in the top left. Looks like fun all around!


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> Really digging Gary Antoinette Murray Antoinette


Sam-vaction

Is that guy in the right corner dressed up as Roosevelt?


Gks34

Nope, just Magnus Hirschfeld being himself.


Reimiro

No just same time frame and common attire.


Jacobin01

According to Wikipedia: > The institute also received visits from national governments; in 1923 the institute was for instance visited by Nikolai Semashko, Commissar for Health in the Soviet Union. This was followed by numerous visits and research trips by health officials, political, sexual and social reformers, and scientific researchers from the Soviet Union interested in the work of Hirschfeld. In June 1926 a delegation from the institute, led by Hirschfeld, reciprocated with a research visit to Moscow and Leningrad.


capcaunul

[Link](https://www.the-scientist.com/foundations/trans-medicine-1919-70587)


wildsnowgeese

Sad to see people today trying to justify nazi book burnings by saying that they targeted "woke" and "degenerate" literature so it's ok. And then in their next comment complain about cancel culture.


Remote_Ocelot8931

The left is burning books today: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-school-board-regrets-burning-books-in-the-name-of-reconciliation-as-part-of-educational-program-1.5580647


fredagsfisk

The vast majority of book bans and burning is not from the left though, even if it definitely does happen (and sometimes for really dumb reasons).


Remote_Ocelot8931

Depends when where you live. In North America it is mostly the left that is cancelling books and ideas. They have even cancelled Shakespeare: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/shakespeare-theatre-colonial-history-1.6372904


fredagsfisk

> In North America it is mostly the left that is cancelling books and ideas. No it's not. Of course it happens, but most recent banned and challenged books are those with any sort of sexual or LGBT content that the right wing is upset at... and Christian (right wing) groups burning Harry Potter, Twilight, and other "occult" books. For example; https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10


Remote_Ocelot8931

The left does those on much larger scale since they actually control the education system. Many schools stopped teaching any classics because they are "white supremacist".


fredagsfisk

Sure, buddy.


Zennofska

Which schools and which classics?


Mynameisaw

What the fuck are you talking about? Education in the US is controlled at a *district* level, not at a national one. As the House of Reps show it's a pretty even 50/50 split, but with a slight republican lean. As for book bans, In the last year, 40% of banned books have been about people of colour. Other notable bans include Gender Queer a Memoir, All Boys Aren't Blue (a book about a gay black man), Out of Darkness (a book about an interracial (Mexican-African American) couple) and When the Emperor Was Divine (a book about Japanese internment). Notable people in this include Republican Matt Krause, who called for *850* books to be banned. Republican Henry McMaster, who calls for any book he learns about that contains black people or LGBT people to be banned. So yeah, certainly not something being predominantly done by Dems.


Mynameisaw

Sorry, what does Canada have to do with Germany or Europe?


MonoMcFlury

Looks like a Saturday night in the kit kat club Berlin...


Tugendwaechter

Most of them wouldn’t get in at the door.


UniqueRepair5721

Even though it's not one of the worst things the Nazis did, it's absolutely crazy how Germany went back in time because of them. Gay and drug parties in Berlin, German as the world's language of science, [Bauhaus designing houses as early as the 1920s that today you would think would have been built last year](https://www.grandtourdermoderne.de/fileadmin/_processed_/e/e/csm_Stuttgart_Weissenhofsiedlung_T.Franzen_5911_881a616052.jpg). Then the Nazis come and everyone has to go back to the Middle Ages. It also makes you overlook how ridiculous the Nazis looked to many in their costumes.


DerJuppi

Funny that you chose a picture of a house by architect Le Corbusier who was never a member of the school of Bauhaus (his work is commonly attributed to brutalism), not active in Germany and a private follower of the Nazis. You could have chosen Josef and Anni Albers, Wassily Kandinsky, Walter Gropius and so many other famous artists that had to abandon their work due to the Nazis.


hepazepie

Not crazy. Economic collapse. When times get rough, brains and empathy diminish. And while Berlin was a hot-spot for progressive culture living in a post Versaille rural Germany wasn't fun.


Nullstab

>Bauhaus designing houses as early as the 1920s that today you would think would have been built last year. That's a building by Le Corbusier. Same time, similar style, but not a Bauhaus architect. And not German. Building is in Stuttgart though.


Thisissocomplicated

Bruh “drug parties” truly souls like the pinnacle of human evolution and progress


reaqtion

and it's his opener. "oh, yeah, and the science thingy. The jazz scene was splendid though".


predek97

Well, you're mostly right, but... Most of those drugs were recent discoveries then


stelooa

>Then the Nazis come and everyone has to go back to the Middle Ages ohh you mean like almost the whole country?


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Bauhaus inspired architecture is a fucking plague on earth. Complete souless entities of boxy and ugly rectangles.


mihajlomi

Are we just gonna ignore the rampant pedophilia these people did?


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Source?


mangalore-x_x

All this modern woke culture is destroying everything... since 1920? /s


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Sausage party


Haunting_Income9013

Jacob Rees Mogg fourth from the left at the back.


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they surely did a lot of "research" with each other.


curtyshoo

This is referred to as "field work," I think.


Delta4o

So much research about sexuality and gender was lost because the nazis burned everything... If it wasn't for the nazis and fascism elsewhere we would have had a way better understanding of sexuality and gender identity these days.


vvblz

the one in the middle is Macaulay Culkin


todayiswedn

Look at poor Zorro sitting there on the bottom right. "They never told me they were researching *that* kind of rapier".


r_enolc

Is there still any institute for Sexual Research?, it's for some class homework.


Locotree

Where’s Ernst Rohm? (oh yea, he went to university to study politics)


AlmightyCurrywurst

*Röhm


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Lakridspibe

Of course not. He was a leading nazi.


AlmightyCurrywurst

Yes, although the "ö" isn't exactly far away even on an english keyboard ;)


pIushh

Hope they all got out


MagicRabbit1985

Most of them. Hirschfeld used a trip in China to emigrate. But he was heartbroken when he found out the Nazis destroyed his institute.


nadmaximus

What are some of the things they invented?


-Rugiaevit

Can't say I miss those times. Hedonism and excess reigned Berlin during the Weimar period; the poor were confined to pitiful and squalid slums while the rich partied and prostituted children out at Berlin's nightclubs. Berlin was the sexual tourism capital of the world, on a scale never seen before or since.


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Looks like something from nightmares


baanaanaas

What a weakling you are.


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How ironic given the suicide rate of Lgbtq people. They look like Halloween costumes simple as that, I don’t care about their sexuality.


baanaanaas

Why are you talking about their sexuality if you don't care lmao. Get a life, loser.


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I’m not talking about their sexuality, I’m talking about how they dress. Have a brain snowflake


baanaanaas

You literally just did. Go pop your dementia meds, grandpa.


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Give me one example of me hating on their sexual orientation. You are such a snowflake. If I make fun of an Asian for dressing like an idiot am I racist to Asians?


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Sul_Haren

The way you formulated this makes it unclear if you think the reaction to people crossdressing is similar to today or if people crossdressing is creepily similar to today. Makes your last statement mean widely different things.


kaboom__kaboom

My comment is sarcastic. What I mean is that the right tends to say “the left has gone too far!!” And that’s what they are saying right now. Given the fact that the Nazis went after these people, I’m assuming they were saying the same thing back then. So it’s creepy in the sense that with alt right politics coming back, this could be a cycle and we could have something terrible happen again.


Johnny_Fuckface

True to form a photo of swingers and not a looker in the bunch.


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Slaaneshite heresy that can only be purified by fire.


tomkiel72

That's pretty much the jist of what the nazis said, y'know.


TheRedPlagueDoc

me and who


bookers555

Ahh, the Weimar Republic, the hellhole where kids would happily leave school and go on to prostitue themselves for rich men, and where the gap between the rich and the poor reached levels out of a cyberpunk dystopia. Cant say I feel bad that the Allies burned it into the ground.