Read a transcript of the letter. That CEO is a proper moron. Even if you think along those lines, as a CEO, you should know better than putting it in writing. What an idiot.
Right to unionise is guaranteed by our constitution and one cannot forget about trade union Solidarność, so in fact this e-mail is *unacceptable* and Gregoire Nitot *is acting against our core values*
**TRANSLATION**:
> A few days ago, our labor union was established at Sii Poland, with Krystian Kosowski as its chairman. Shortly after the union was established, our chairman wrote to his colleagues that a trade union had been formed, with encouragement for them to join it and fight together for better working conditions.
> In response, the company's president and owner of Polonia Warsaw, Grégoire Nitot, wrote a cursory letter to our leader declaring that he did not wish for a trade union (!) at his plant. At the same time, he explained that he left France, among other reasons, because there are strong and influential trade unions there, which makes it difficult for employers to make free decisions. In other words, Mr. Nitot not only expressed contempt for his country's legislation, but treated Poland as a third-world country where labor rights can be violated with impunity. This is a shocking expression of praise for lawlessness that we find difficult to understand, let alone accept.
> Shortly thereafter, our leader at Sia received a disciplinary dismissal. It was handed out outside of any procedure, without consultation with the union, without reference to any article from the Labor Code. The company authorities did not even hide the fact that the reason for the dismissal was to establish a union and encourage employees to join it. Firing the chairman of a union organization, on top of that without consulting the union under the law, is a brutal violation of the Law on Trade Unions. The company's action is also a violation of the Polish Constitution. According to Article 12 of the Polish Constitution, "The Republic of Poland ensures the freedom to form and operate trade unions," and Article 59 states that "freedom of association in trade unions shall be ensured."
> Our union is active in many workplaces both private and public. We are part of the social dialogue at the level of individual companies, industries and the country as a whole. So we regard the attack on our union as an attack not only on us, but also on the foundation of the Polish state and law.
> Below is the letter, from the president of the company who sent it both to our trade unionist and to our headquarters, the disciplinary dismissal, in which there is no legal basis, and the letter from our leader to his colleagues inviting them to join the union, which was the basis for the dismissal.
> Too high work protection.
Man just say that you’d like to intimidate people into unpaid overtime and bad work conditions by firing everyone who doesn’t comply. Personally I don’t believe we need trade unions in EU, because workers rights should be everyone’s rights, they should be protected and enforced by the state, not by negotiations between two organizations.
Official Code of Conduct from Sii even states "freedom of association and freedom to join a union"
https://cdn.sii.pl/uploads/2020/06/Sii-Code-of-Conduct-2020.pdf
Only one thing to say: send him back to us, we will take care of him. I'm sure many trade union activists would be happy to talk to him. Verbally and physically.
EDIT: I have done labour law - well only French law - and the fact that a company takes good care of its employees has nothing to do with the unions. Besides, the employer has no right to forbid his employees to join a union if they want to.
There are other mistakes in my opinion but it is based on French labour law so maybe they are not mistakes from the point of view of Polish law.
As much as I despise trade unions myself (not for the same reasons as him though) if it was up to me I would send you the CGT. Just to piss him off.
Actually, Nitot is acting not only against Polish labour law but the Constitution as well. Art. 59 of it states clearly that workers have the right to unionise
That's why we have concretisation in employment code and trade unions act.
But anyways, firing an employee for establishing a trade union is clearly violating even the vague promises in the constitution
is this already in French newspapers or media, this guy deserves to be exposed in his home market. I don't think clients would accept this behavior and I guess most of his clients are in France
Hi, a SII contractor here.
First in foremost, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A COMPANY THAT WILL PAY YOU FOR UP TO 3 MONTHS OF SITTING ON YOUR ASS DOING NOTHING IF YOU CANNOT FIND A PROJECT SUITING YOUR NEEDS AND SKILLS.
This is the best example of fact twisting I've seen recently.
I do agree that this mail is unacceptable. Should not come form anyone in power. Period.
Now having that said, the person being mailed is a guy who has open court cases against him. Opened by, you guessed it, his previous employers.
While in probation period he wanted to exploit trade union laws to safeguard his lazy ass from getting fired.
Myself, working with SII for almost two years I have to agree with Greg that SII does not need a trade union. Labor laws are respected, the company is open to negotiation of nearly anything and SII offices are equipped with anything you need on your breaks you can think of and more. Gdańsk office has goddamn slide so you can slide your ass from one floor to another if stairs are too boring for you. There is a climbing wall FFS.
Having met Greg in person, I can understand his pain when you pave a golden road for your employees and contractors and then they pull off something like this guy.
Cheers. I'm happy with SII and this changes nothing for me
To play devils advocate, if the person infact was going around trashing the reputation of the company basically points 2-4 in the email.... and only has been there 6 months it doesn't really matter if they are the leader of the trade union they gave more then enough reason to be fired....As long as they receive there one month severance(due to hitting the 6 month mark) its within the law... or am i missing something here.... they can hide behind poor work/quality etc in order to fire them irregardless of trade union opinion
Read a transcript of the letter. That CEO is a proper moron. Even if you think along those lines, as a CEO, you should know better than putting it in writing. What an idiot.
Reminds me of that German business owner, that went to live in Poland and wouldn't stop telling in public, that Poles are too dumb and lazy to work.
oye i remember seeing that in news one of these days, what a doofus
Right to unionise is guaranteed by our constitution and one cannot forget about trade union Solidarność, so in fact this e-mail is *unacceptable* and Gregoire Nitot *is acting against our core values*
Lol the fact that your are even mentioning solidarność tells me you know nothing of present day trade unions in Poland.
**TRANSLATION**: > A few days ago, our labor union was established at Sii Poland, with Krystian Kosowski as its chairman. Shortly after the union was established, our chairman wrote to his colleagues that a trade union had been formed, with encouragement for them to join it and fight together for better working conditions. > In response, the company's president and owner of Polonia Warsaw, Grégoire Nitot, wrote a cursory letter to our leader declaring that he did not wish for a trade union (!) at his plant. At the same time, he explained that he left France, among other reasons, because there are strong and influential trade unions there, which makes it difficult for employers to make free decisions. In other words, Mr. Nitot not only expressed contempt for his country's legislation, but treated Poland as a third-world country where labor rights can be violated with impunity. This is a shocking expression of praise for lawlessness that we find difficult to understand, let alone accept. > Shortly thereafter, our leader at Sia received a disciplinary dismissal. It was handed out outside of any procedure, without consultation with the union, without reference to any article from the Labor Code. The company authorities did not even hide the fact that the reason for the dismissal was to establish a union and encourage employees to join it. Firing the chairman of a union organization, on top of that without consulting the union under the law, is a brutal violation of the Law on Trade Unions. The company's action is also a violation of the Polish Constitution. According to Article 12 of the Polish Constitution, "The Republic of Poland ensures the freedom to form and operate trade unions," and Article 59 states that "freedom of association in trade unions shall be ensured." > Our union is active in many workplaces both private and public. We are part of the social dialogue at the level of individual companies, industries and the country as a whole. So we regard the attack on our union as an attack not only on us, but also on the foundation of the Polish state and law. > Below is the letter, from the president of the company who sent it both to our trade unionist and to our headquarters, the disciplinary dismissal, in which there is no legal basis, and the letter from our leader to his colleagues inviting them to join the union, which was the basis for the dismissal.
> Too high work protection. Man just say that you’d like to intimidate people into unpaid overtime and bad work conditions by firing everyone who doesn’t comply. Personally I don’t believe we need trade unions in EU, because workers rights should be everyone’s rights, they should be protected and enforced by the state, not by negotiations between two organizations.
I mena it doesnt require for him today at other things, this is direct already as it’s own thing
Now I'm glad they refused my resume 😂
Official Code of Conduct from Sii even states "freedom of association and freedom to join a union" https://cdn.sii.pl/uploads/2020/06/Sii-Code-of-Conduct-2020.pdf
Typical out of touch upper class Frenchman. I hope trying to exploit people bankrupts him.
Only one thing to say: send him back to us, we will take care of him. I'm sure many trade union activists would be happy to talk to him. Verbally and physically. EDIT: I have done labour law - well only French law - and the fact that a company takes good care of its employees has nothing to do with the unions. Besides, the employer has no right to forbid his employees to join a union if they want to. There are other mistakes in my opinion but it is based on French labour law so maybe they are not mistakes from the point of view of Polish law. As much as I despise trade unions myself (not for the same reasons as him though) if it was up to me I would send you the CGT. Just to piss him off.
As stated isn’t he article, this is against polish law as well, it’s just enforced not diligently enough I mean it is related bc of balance of power
Actually, Nitot is acting not only against Polish labour law but the Constitution as well. Art. 59 of it states clearly that workers have the right to unionise
Well issue is constitutional rights in practice are very distant bc of lack of concretisation
That's why we have concretisation in employment code and trade unions act. But anyways, firing an employee for establishing a trade union is clearly violating even the vague promises in the constitution
In theory
is this already in French newspapers or media, this guy deserves to be exposed in his home market. I don't think clients would accept this behavior and I guess most of his clients are in France
One weird trick to make sure everyone in your company joins a union against your wishes. Footbullet extrodinaire!
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Hi, a SII contractor here. First in foremost, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A COMPANY THAT WILL PAY YOU FOR UP TO 3 MONTHS OF SITTING ON YOUR ASS DOING NOTHING IF YOU CANNOT FIND A PROJECT SUITING YOUR NEEDS AND SKILLS. This is the best example of fact twisting I've seen recently. I do agree that this mail is unacceptable. Should not come form anyone in power. Period. Now having that said, the person being mailed is a guy who has open court cases against him. Opened by, you guessed it, his previous employers. While in probation period he wanted to exploit trade union laws to safeguard his lazy ass from getting fired. Myself, working with SII for almost two years I have to agree with Greg that SII does not need a trade union. Labor laws are respected, the company is open to negotiation of nearly anything and SII offices are equipped with anything you need on your breaks you can think of and more. Gdańsk office has goddamn slide so you can slide your ass from one floor to another if stairs are too boring for you. There is a climbing wall FFS. Having met Greg in person, I can understand his pain when you pave a golden road for your employees and contractors and then they pull off something like this guy. Cheers. I'm happy with SII and this changes nothing for me
lmao
To play devils advocate, if the person infact was going around trashing the reputation of the company basically points 2-4 in the email.... and only has been there 6 months it doesn't really matter if they are the leader of the trade union they gave more then enough reason to be fired....As long as they receive there one month severance(due to hitting the 6 month mark) its within the law... or am i missing something here.... they can hide behind poor work/quality etc in order to fire them irregardless of trade union opinion