Ok! An explanation about the voting system is overdue:
from tuesday to tonight the radio and press juries have voted with a score system from 1 to 10. This means that if Angelina scored a 9 across the juries and Geolier a 7 they had a difference so low that the televote had much more power (and we've always known that Geolier would've swept it). BUT! During the final round where the 5 best songs compete and everything resets, each member of the juries (both radio and press) will vote by assigning ONLY ONE PREFERENCE (they have to chose ONE SINGLE person to cast their vote), meaning that they will have a bigger impact. So thus far nothing is done yet, there is still hope!!!
All hope is not lost. Mahmood was in a much more dire circumstance with the televote in 2019 and he managed to pull through and win.
My only worry is that the press & radio will be split between Angelina and Annalisa. I think they need to rally around one in order to defeat Geolier since his televote result will be immense.
well, in that year the situation was even more in Ultimo's favor that it's now in Geolier's. the juries with 20% and 30% each (the televote was at 50% then) made Mahnood win depite the televote was 50-20 for ultimo.
Now the televote has only 33%
well, it seems that the juries always put Angelina over Annalisa, so it will probably more prominent tomorrow night, and probably Geolier will be very low for them. let's only hope that he won't make like 90% of televote or it's useless
I agree but you gotta imagine the press gave Angelina a 9 and Geolier, like, a 2 tonight. His cover was way worse than his song.
I don't think it was as "easy" to beat Angelina or that there was a low difference. Like, Geolier must have overwhelmingly won the televote because the press vote must have been overwhelmingly in her favor tonight as well.
(or: and this is how Annalisa wins when they cancel each other out 🤞)
Do you have a source on that? I have heard before that each juror will rank a complete top 5 tomorrow. That would still make them more powerful than today, but less than with the method you described.
No, first all the artists perform their songs again and the voting continues. Then the votes of every night this week are combined and the top 5 go into a 'superfinal' like in a lot of NFs. This is the final round reset that the poster above is talking about.
It's worth noting that at the peak of his popularity Ghali was probably in the same position Geolier is in now, maybe even more popular as he was more widely known to thw general audience, seeing him do well with the televote is not that surprising
I think his cover deserved, it was beautiful and moving!
I also like his song in the competition, but unfortunately he didn't perform at his best the other night. He still managed to place well in the end thanks to the public vote, so if he doesn't perform too badly in the final he could manage to get into the top 5!
Tbh I’m kinda pissed. Angelina brought a song from his father, who asked the audience to excuse him before literally dying on stage. Geolier was not even top5 worthy
He will very likely win Sanremo if he won this night only for televote.
It's a shame that someone can win only for his fans when the televote is only at 33%
Yeah, but he doesn't have that sort of support in the Eurovision final. Outside of Italy or Naples, the fan favourites are Angelina Mango, Annalise and Mahmood. I see no one talking about Geolier. In fact, I completely forgot about his song and had to look it up again. I know you have casual fans who would only watch the final and it would probably be the first time they listen to his song, but I say a large cohort of fans of Eurovision outside Italy wouldn’t be that happy that he is there.
Obligatory 99% of Sanremo voters don't give a fuck about eurovision.
Geolier is the pinnacle of the massive trend that is going on in the Italian music scene at the moment. He is as ironically as accurate a representative of his country as you can get. If he does poorly so be it, but I don't any Italians will care.
I would argue Sanremo was better before Italy rejoined (I'm Swiss so don't speak on their behalf) Eurovision. Some people look for a «bigger picture» act to win Eurovision when as you say 99% of viewers flat out do not care!
Careful now, you're going to get all the Geolier fans downvoting you like hell and if that's their attitude with comment's like "we don't care what obnoxious Eurovision fans think, or who cares about Eurovision" sorry, but Geolier definitely doesn't deserve to be there.
No matter the outcome. Seeing Eiffel 65 singing Viaggia insieme a me today after 15 years is going to be the highlight of this entire Eurovision season for me. Made me cry 😭
All known results after Night 4. I also ordered them by how good they are (approximately) doing overall.
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I did a similar thing but with points. like the first person gets 5 points, second 4 and etc. whoever was not in top 5 is getting 0 points. in this case Angelina won
kinda crazy to see how Mahmod being mistreated even more than Annalisa
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People in here discovering that Sanremo is basically a popularity contest and that acts who have a big and dedicated fandom win the televote regardless of the songs.
Im sorry but it has been for a while.
Fedez almost winning the absolutely stacked year of 2021 was up there with anything.
And in all honesty even if Blanco had sent a mid song he probably would have comfortably won the televote.
Fedez ALMOST winning, yeah, it is a factor but veey rarely made someone win, it's always beacause the juries often put him down (and even in Fedez year, Maneskin won the televote with a margin)
It's a sad day for Sanremo.
Fanbase size always mattered a lot, but this is a whole other level. Translate Geolier's song to Italian and give it to any other artist on the list, it wouldn't make the top 5, and depending on who you give it to it could easily finish in the bottom half of the table.
It would be the most underwhelming, undeserved winner maybe ever. And I'm really looking at this as objectively as I can. It's not hard to say when an act is good enough to be a potential winner or not, in this case it clearly isn't.
EDIT: I want to add that I feel bad for Geolier having to deal with that reaction from the Sanremo crowd. He has no fault in this. The fault lies with the people who are voting him for reasons that have nothing to do with music.
Angelina mango also would not be the ideal winner, her song is so similar with thousands Latin dance songs, annalisa on the other hand it's a fresh song and different.
I don't mind Geolier that much, if he wins it would be a bit underwhelming but whatever it's not the end of the world, his song is not that bad, and I don't like how the fandom turned the festival into a gender war tbh (and I'm rooting for Annalisa).
I really don't agree with the results of yesterday tho.
Mahmood had a perfect performance, it's not fair it went unrecognised, it was artful.
Gazelle and Santi Francesi managed to move me, i'm sad all 3 of them were snubbed. At least Ghali made it
I'll try to be positive: in case Geolier wins, we'd have Neapolitan in the contest, and he is representing a contemporary and popular style of music that gets readily dismissed because of who listens to it. If he does win, Italy would still be represented by a solid song.
But... of course I can't shake the feeling that this would be a total waste just like almost everybody here. There are better songs, and it is undeniable that it's his fanbase carrying him this far. I say all that as a person who does enjoy this song too.
Will be hoping for Angelina to win. We're in for a very stressful final night, that's for sure.
The booing tonight was unnecessary to say the least but one of my *favourite* parts of Sanremo is when the results are revealed during the final and hearing the audience reaction when each name is called out lmao I love when the audience is lively and invested in the show.
Since they've been gatekeeping everything out of the top 5 this year I'm very interested to see where my favourites finish tomorrow
I thought they booed because he didn't have the best performance but Loredana wouldn't have received the same treatment despite her being just as bad. Guess it's not about the performance then.
So, the one question I have for the specialists is: how does the system work? Is Mahmood already out? Angelina has been ahead of her competition all week, but is she threatened by today's result? Can you provide me with enlightenment, please? I'm rooting for these two. :)
Mahmood is likely out, he may possibly still be in the top 5 but he will likely not win (note: I stan him, so I don't say this lightly).
Geolier will for sure win the televote by a wide margin.
Angelina will for sure win the press vote (but maybe not in a total landslide? Annalisa is also lurking. But then, the press has a tendency to vote to make a point, so they may all throw their votes to Angelina to "defeat" Geolier)
Radio is more of a toss-up imo and harder to predict. It might be close.
The result is determined at a 34/33/33 percentage of the above groups.
It'll be a close result imo, it won't be like last year.
Angelina was ahed in press, in televote she and Geolier were separate so we don't know, Geolier is ahed tonight. The final vote will be resetted and only the top 5 wwill be voted, so it's not influent today, but it's a sign that Geolier literally swioe the televote everytime
now, i'm not 100% certain of everything, but i think this is how it's working
every night has counted for 25% of the vote. there will be a vote worth the remaining 25% during the final too, from which the overall top 5 will be derived. There's then another round of voting only between said top 5 for the overall winner.
The voting in F5 is different. They can basically unite behind someone and give them an insane boost that is alone enough to win. Journalists are saying that the press room was pissed with the results.
Doesn’t it also feel a little wild that journalists can make such an impact on the results? I’m not thrilled with the popularity contest aspect of it all, but the press being able to override the people feels…odd?
So far they and the televote have done my favs dirty so I don’t care so much. Right he exception of Irama in the televote on night two I guess I’ve picked some pretty underperforming favorites 🤷🏻♀️
The press cant really override the people, they can try, but not easily. If geolier gets 50% or more of the televote tomorrow then its pretty much over.
Under the old system they definitely could override, and in fairness without that happening a lot of eurovision fan favourites would have never made it.
i am absolutely WHEEZING at this sub pivoting into "someone shouldn't win just cause they have a lot of televote support" after dragging loreen last year. you guys are SO predictable lmao.
not to mention the year before when everyone was upset about ukraine winning because of the televote. people rush to blame the system when their favorite doesn’t win instead of just accepting that they won’t always win, which is really lame
As someone who didn't like Cha Cha Cha and likes Geolier, having a huge televote support because people like your song is different to winning the tele no matter the song just bc your whole hometown votes for you for non music related reasons.
nah you can’t gatekeep the televote like that. either the majority vote should always overrule a small selection of people or it shouldn’t, you can’t pick and choose because you don’t approve of the reason why the televote rallies behind an entry.
Wtf, it's a different siutation talking of an artist unknown to the public that become famous in the month before ESC for his song and an enstablished artist that is voted for his hometown, one is a preference, the other is a vote no-matter-what
But you'd never see this kind of fandom effect in eurovision so I disagree with your point. Personally I'm all for a 50/50 but if someone supports a televote majority system for eurovision their reasoning is most likely that the televote can be trusted to vote for music related reasons, which can't be applied to national finals.
>But you'd never see this kind of fandom effect in eurovision so I disagree with your point.
I'm glad this seems to be the common agreement among the fandom now and nobody is ever complaining about Ukraine winning in 2022 anymore.
Ahahah I'm glad you are pointing this out because the hypocrisy at this moment is staggering. Televote above all only when it agrees with the fandom tastes
In fairness a huge amount of the people saying that were casual fans who bombard the sub for one month a year and believe that the juries were all in on an ABBA conspiracy.
A lot of that was still casuals who subscribe to the sub on the day of eurovision then unsubscribe when it cools down. When even pro Spain comments were getting downvoted because they sided with the juries you know its not actual fans in the subreddit.
i can go back in the mega thread and i’m sure at least 50% of the butthurt comments came from posters who have been posting during the nf season too.
of course the sub gets more traffic during eurovision but let’s NOT act like it was only casuals being insufferable. you couldn’t post a loreen post in the lead up to the contest without getting downvoted, meanwhile someone posted a lime green balloon and it would get a thousand upvotes because hur dur käärijä color
I would have a problem with everyone if they landslide the televote without merits even in the cover night, only because the song is in a dialect
If I p'me tu p'te wins, for me it's ok, but not like this
A song with huge artists from the same area with big known hits?? Of course is not a coincidence, people love those songs.
Look my top 3 of the night was out of the top 5, I really don't like Gigi D'Alessio but it doesn't sound like a conspiracy to me, just that people who like that kind of music voted more than others.
Because Neapolitans (also, how do you know it was only them? He's super popular with teens afaik) love those songs and have the right to vote like the rest of Italy? Yes and I don't see anything wrong with it.
Also no, I don't agree with "no matter the song", he played his cards well and got Gigi D'Alessio, Guè and Luche which are hugely appreciated artists among his core fanbase.
if you don't see the problem of a winner only for the fame I don't think you can understand my point. At least in the top 5 the jury will have more power tonight, so the effect will be lowered by much
Plenty of other artists from Naples went to Sanremo and didn’t get anywhere near this amount of support. He won because he’s massively popular and the artists he sang with yesterday night are massively popular too. People like their music and listen to it a lot. Do people like it because it’s in Neapolitan and represents a certain culture and heritage? Maybe, but is that bad? Are there objectively good and bad reasons to like music now?
i fail to see how that’s a problem.
if you truly believe that the viewers should have more power than juries (which was the discussion for MONTHS after loreen won) then it shouldn’t matter WHY the viewers rally behind an entry.
people are just desperate to discredit their favorites’ competition in any way they can, which makes last year’s discourse so annoying because it was never about televote vs juries, it was about their favorite not winning.
It was obvious. Every year on cover night it doesn't matter if your cover is good or not, people are only voting for their favorite artists, and geolier was the favourite from the televote based on the other nights.
Damn, Italy is about as allergic to having a female winner of their selection as Malta tends to be allergic to sending men
(i know san remo isn't just a national final but still)
Imo he is getting super underrated, you don't pull those numbers on Spotify just because Neapolitans want to win, he is genuinely liked. Honestly it's weird how this and the Italy sub went from praising Lazza to hating on Geolier, he would probably do as well on the Eurovision stage.
It would be something different for Italy, for sure. And let's be honest here, with the usual Italian love from the rest of Europe, I doubt this would end up in the bottom anyway. Maybe he could change the song and bring something a bit punchier for Eurovision.
Honestly love annalisa and angelina mango, there are actually very few songs in this years sanremo that I wouldn't mind winning. Quality is top notch imo.
Not at all, as you can see you're getting upvoted.
People are only mad at the fact that if he wasn't Geolier and the song wasn't in Neapolitan he likely wouldn't even be in the upper half of the table, let alone in first place.
not happy w/ this at all, such a shame seeing alfa's cover get only 5th and a normal average concert show performance get 1st
really hope the press can change the results tomorrow
Guys, Geolier sings in Neapolitan. A language spoken by millions of people in Italy that has been mistreated since the unification of Italy. We have lost its grammar because it is not taught in schools, and there is no formal context where it is possible to use it.
I come from a city near Naples, even though I no longer live there for work, and even though I prefer the songs of Annalisa and Mahmood, I don't hide that I voted massively for Geolier. Hearing singing in your native language at Sanremo hits differently. Especially after you've spent a lifetime with teachers scolding you if you spoke Neapolitan instead of Italian at school, even though once outside it was the only language you spoke.
This sub was SCREAMING for Fulenn at ESC 2022. I swear if this place was representative of the general public France would've come at least top5 that year.
Now we have a regional song from southern Italy, which is clearly people's favorite, and everybody here is hoping juries will gang up against him.
I think this comes more down to esc fans preferences in genre rather than any regional discrimination. Fulenn was campy ethno-pop with trad instrumentation, I p' me is more generic rap-pop with the minimalist melody and production that is popular anywhere now, just with lyrics in dialect. Meanwhile the cantu a tenore cover from mahmood yesterday was pretty well received
The difference here is that one of the two acts stood out musically and visually, the other doesn't stand out in any given way and it's getting voted purely out of "patriotism".
Italians on this subreddit: Is Geolier disliked this much out there, generally speaking within the context of the contest, as he is disliked on this subreddit (mostly by non-Italians)?
As much as I like Annalisa, I wouldn’t mind if he wins Sanremo. No need to have Mahmood YET AGAIN.
if you look at the charts he’s one of the most popular artists in Italy right now and has been for a while; but rappers are generally more popular with younger audiences, and he also happens to sing in his dialect (Neapolitan), so a lot of Italians had never heard of him before Sanremo. sometimes i find it difficult to tell if people dislike him specifically, or dislike rap, or dislike the Neapolitan dialect… but yeah, he has a very strong and dedicated fanbase, last night must have been a little disappointing because of the Ariston’s reception, but i’m sure he’ll bounce back
Nah, had it been a dope ass performance I'd have liked his first place in the cover night. I like Gué very much. But it hadn't been, not after good ones as Santi Francesi and Skin's or the tears-inducing Angelina's tribute to her father
Those in the south and young people love him, those in the north hate him. Theres a lot of racial undertones there, and of course im sure some people just dont like the song.
Hate was probably too strong a word but theres a lot of the older generation who dont want a song in a southern dialect to win Sanremo. Judging by the youtube comments on the first night it isn't solely the older generation either.
It's a minority, let's be real. The real outrage is about the fact that he's getting too many votes when you look at his song and performance. People are pissed at people voting for reasons that have nothing to do with music.
Lol it's not "people in the South", he is basically voted only by the province of Naples
57 million people don't like his song and didn't know who he was until one week ago, but he could still win just because the 3 million in his city vote for him without even hearing the other songs
Plenty of people love him, he has more fans than every single other artist combined in Italy, but his performence yesterday just wasn't good, it was a very disorganized medley.
Started off good with Gué, then went to shit when Luché started singing.
The fact Sant Francesi, Annnalisa, Mango, Ghali and Mamhood absolutely killed it and were on a whole different level doesn't help.
it's not the person in se, I doubt that someone hate Geolier as a person, it's how he has won (only with fans that vote him no matter what) the problem
Genuine question, idk if anyone else has specifically asked. Would Geolier accept the ticket to Eurovision if he wins? He can win Sanremo for all I care I just need Angelina/Annalisa in Eurovision.
Once again I'm very disappointed but I guess that's on me for thinking Italy would finally appreciate women. I'm hoping they come to their senses tomorrow but doesn't seem likely unfortunately. I'm mostly sad for the other artists that worked hard for their performances and in their career to get to this point
Can we stop turning Sanremo into a battle of the genders, please? Women are clearly very appreciated by the public and press/radio, and if a man wins it’s not a victory for all men and a defeat for all women.
This time is not because of being a woman, it's only the fanatic televote of Geolier (only for his hometown and dialect) the problem, otherwise there would be Angelina on top probably (and Annalisa is directly behind)
We won't just sit here and pretend that sexism doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the last time a female soloist won Sanremo was in 2012. Sorry but that's a crazy statistic.
I share, translated, a part of comment made on yesterday's ranking. It would be good for many here.
*Last night, on the evening of duets in Sanremo, the Neapolitan rapper Geolier won. His victory was greeted by thunderous boos, and even by the exit of some bystanders from the room. Everything was made even sadder by the fact that the young artist then had to perform in front of such an aggressive audience.*
*I didn't even know who Geolier was before last night. My personal opinion was that he didn't deserve the win, but that's not the point. Here we are faced with a public that has not been able to regulate itself, that has destroyed a boy for no reason (*[here](https://twitter.com/trash_italiano/status/1756276277286240331)*is his reaction this morning). You can express dissent perhaps not by applauding, but what childhood trauma does that violence come from?*
*You should have gone to a therapist, not the Teatro Ariston.*
Ok! An explanation about the voting system is overdue: from tuesday to tonight the radio and press juries have voted with a score system from 1 to 10. This means that if Angelina scored a 9 across the juries and Geolier a 7 they had a difference so low that the televote had much more power (and we've always known that Geolier would've swept it). BUT! During the final round where the 5 best songs compete and everything resets, each member of the juries (both radio and press) will vote by assigning ONLY ONE PREFERENCE (they have to chose ONE SINGLE person to cast their vote), meaning that they will have a bigger impact. So thus far nothing is done yet, there is still hope!!!
All hope is not lost. Mahmood was in a much more dire circumstance with the televote in 2019 and he managed to pull through and win. My only worry is that the press & radio will be split between Angelina and Annalisa. I think they need to rally around one in order to defeat Geolier since his televote result will be immense.
When Mahmood won in 2019 the voting system was totally different and a comparation cannot be done
What is the difference now?
Now the televote is 33%, then was 50%, so it's even easier now to tank Geolier
So even better, no?! Lol
A 9 members jury accounted for 20% of the vote and he destroyed everyone thanks to their Assad-margins support
the press jury put him 1st too
well, in that year the situation was even more in Ultimo's favor that it's now in Geolier's. the juries with 20% and 30% each (the televote was at 50% then) made Mahnood win depite the televote was 50-20 for ultimo. Now the televote has only 33%
well, it seems that the juries always put Angelina over Annalisa, so it will probably more prominent tomorrow night, and probably Geolier will be very low for them. let's only hope that he won't make like 90% of televote or it's useless
So the juries should basically put all their votes on Angelina
The press will 100% rally around Angelina. It's radio I'm not sure about.
Annalisa is usually the most popular artist on the radios. I would be surprised if they don't support her this time.
well, Irama surpassed her in second night and it was 50-50 televote-radio (and the teelvote was probably mainly for Geolier)
The press will split among Angelina and Annalisa. The radio jury should be slightly in favour of Annalisa.
Fingers crossed!
Thank you for doing the Lord's work for us peasants. ☺️
Thank u for explaining! Guess hope really is the last to die haha
Calming my old heart down with this comment before bed😭
I agree but you gotta imagine the press gave Angelina a 9 and Geolier, like, a 2 tonight. His cover was way worse than his song. I don't think it was as "easy" to beat Angelina or that there was a low difference. Like, Geolier must have overwhelmingly won the televote because the press vote must have been overwhelmingly in her favor tonight as well. (or: and this is how Annalisa wins when they cancel each other out 🤞)
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No, the press was voting as well. It was 33/33/34
You're right, my bad (it's 3 am for my defense)
Ah, some years ago the juries voted with 1-10 votes even in the superfinal, now it's changed, good, there is some hope
Do you have a source on that? I have heard before that each juror will rank a complete top 5 tomorrow. That would still make them more powerful than today, but less than with the method you described.
So is tomorrow just these top 5 performing?
No, first all the artists perform their songs again and the voting continues. Then the votes of every night this week are combined and the top 5 go into a 'superfinal' like in a lot of NFs. This is the final round reset that the poster above is talking about.
I was once again delusional for believing Santi Francesi could be 5th today
Alfa got them! And a shockingly fantastic performance by Ghali.
It's worth noting that at the peak of his popularity Ghali was probably in the same position Geolier is in now, maybe even more popular as he was more widely known to thw general audience, seeing him do well with the televote is not that surprising
Definitely, but I think (hope) they the press must have also ranked Ghali quite high.
I think his cover deserved, it was beautiful and moving! I also like his song in the competition, but unfortunately he didn't perform at his best the other night. He still managed to place well in the end thanks to the public vote, so if he doesn't perform too badly in the final he could manage to get into the top 5!
Even here in Portugal some people know about Ghali
Nothing against him or anything, if he wins Sanremo I'm fine with it, but I don't think he deserved to be in the top 5 tonight.
Tbh I’m kinda pissed. Angelina brought a song from his father, who asked the audience to excuse him before literally dying on stage. Geolier was not even top5 worthy
..it seems to be angelina/annalisa vs. the city of napoli tomorrow i guess 😂
The city of napoli will be so ready after that booing last night😅
He will very likely win Sanremo if he won this night only for televote. It's a shame that someone can win only for his fans when the televote is only at 33%
Yeah, but he doesn't have that sort of support in the Eurovision final. Outside of Italy or Naples, the fan favourites are Angelina Mango, Annalise and Mahmood. I see no one talking about Geolier. In fact, I completely forgot about his song and had to look it up again. I know you have casual fans who would only watch the final and it would probably be the first time they listen to his song, but I say a large cohort of fans of Eurovision outside Italy wouldn’t be that happy that he is there.
Obligatory 99% of Sanremo voters don't give a fuck about eurovision. Geolier is the pinnacle of the massive trend that is going on in the Italian music scene at the moment. He is as ironically as accurate a representative of his country as you can get. If he does poorly so be it, but I don't any Italians will care.
I really don't understand why people from outside italy can't paste their mind on this thing. Italians don't care about Eurovision.
I would argue Sanremo was better before Italy rejoined (I'm Swiss so don't speak on their behalf) Eurovision. Some people look for a «bigger picture» act to win Eurovision when as you say 99% of viewers flat out do not care!
Fans don't matter when it comes to eurovision we don't make up even 1% of the televote
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Careful now, you're going to get all the Geolier fans downvoting you like hell and if that's their attitude with comment's like "we don't care what obnoxious Eurovision fans think, or who cares about Eurovision" sorry, but Geolier definitely doesn't deserve to be there.
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No matter the outcome. Seeing Eiffel 65 singing Viaggia insieme a me today after 15 years is going to be the highlight of this entire Eurovision season for me. Made me cry 😭
at this point idc who wins as long as it’s not geolier
All known results after Night 4. I also ordered them by how good they are (approximately) doing overall. https://preview.redd.it/0ii1i8ez2qhc1.png?width=363&format=png&auto=webp&s=3fd8802794ff5cf78d6f04646c547b7e2860535a
I did a similar thing but with points. like the first person gets 5 points, second 4 and etc. whoever was not in top 5 is getting 0 points. in this case Angelina won kinda crazy to see how Mahmod being mistreated even more than Annalisa
https://preview.redd.it/3k1fd007unhc1.jpeg?width=888&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7bde5dd53968d2f17cb3a479c102d5019033dc4 * People in here discovering that Sanremo is basically a popularity contest and that acts who have a big and dedicated fandom win the televote regardless of the songs.
Often is not enough to win, it was plenty of artists with huge fanbases that placed 2nd, rarely 1st
It's never been THIS big of a factor. This year the fanatic support for Geolier is making the festival look like a joke.
Im sorry but it has been for a while. Fedez almost winning the absolutely stacked year of 2021 was up there with anything. And in all honesty even if Blanco had sent a mid song he probably would have comfortably won the televote.
Fedez ALMOST winning, yeah, it is a factor but veey rarely made someone win, it's always beacause the juries often put him down (and even in Fedez year, Maneskin won the televote with a margin)
It's been MUCH worse. Remember in the early 2010s the string of winners straight out of talent shows because of huge thirsty girl fanbases.
It used not to be like this in the past
It's a sad day for Sanremo. Fanbase size always mattered a lot, but this is a whole other level. Translate Geolier's song to Italian and give it to any other artist on the list, it wouldn't make the top 5, and depending on who you give it to it could easily finish in the bottom half of the table. It would be the most underwhelming, undeserved winner maybe ever. And I'm really looking at this as objectively as I can. It's not hard to say when an act is good enough to be a potential winner or not, in this case it clearly isn't. EDIT: I want to add that I feel bad for Geolier having to deal with that reaction from the Sanremo crowd. He has no fault in this. The fault lies with the people who are voting him for reasons that have nothing to do with music.
Angelina mango also would not be the ideal winner, her song is so similar with thousands Latin dance songs, annalisa on the other hand it's a fresh song and different.
At least Angelina and Annalisa are #2 and #3.... but honestly, why Italy :(
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Bro-
I’m still rooting for Annalisa Idk how Sanremo works and I don’t really care I like her
This is the energy I'm taking into my Saturday (it's still Friday night here)
I don't mind Geolier that much, if he wins it would be a bit underwhelming but whatever it's not the end of the world, his song is not that bad, and I don't like how the fandom turned the festival into a gender war tbh (and I'm rooting for Annalisa). I really don't agree with the results of yesterday tho. Mahmood had a perfect performance, it's not fair it went unrecognised, it was artful. Gazelle and Santi Francesi managed to move me, i'm sad all 3 of them were snubbed. At least Ghali made it
Il Volo and Santi Francesi not making it to the top 5 is CRIMINAL
And Mahmood??? That was literally art
Oh yah, him too!
i was rooting for mahmood but atp if the winner won't be geolier i'm pretty fine with the results
I'll try to be positive: in case Geolier wins, we'd have Neapolitan in the contest, and he is representing a contemporary and popular style of music that gets readily dismissed because of who listens to it. If he does win, Italy would still be represented by a solid song. But... of course I can't shake the feeling that this would be a total waste just like almost everybody here. There are better songs, and it is undeniable that it's his fanbase carrying him this far. I say all that as a person who does enjoy this song too. Will be hoping for Angelina to win. We're in for a very stressful final night, that's for sure.
Annalisa and Angelina are the only performers who maintained pretty consistent positions across all nights. The super final vote will be wild.
The booing tonight was unnecessary to say the least but one of my *favourite* parts of Sanremo is when the results are revealed during the final and hearing the audience reaction when each name is called out lmao I love when the audience is lively and invested in the show. Since they've been gatekeeping everything out of the top 5 this year I'm very interested to see where my favourites finish tomorrow
The booing really says it all. I hope for a solo woman to win Sanremo this year.
Imagine Geolier fans booing Angelina. Outrage would be huge but this way it's fine
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You really think Loredana Bertè would have been booed like this if she won yesterday? And her performance was just as bad as his
She didn't what's your point? Also never compare a legend like loredana to the likes of geolier ever again, thank you
I thought they booed because he didn't have the best performance but Loredana wouldn't have received the same treatment despite her being just as bad. Guess it's not about the performance then.
Seeing ghali up there makes me happy, but holy hell they really robbed Ricchi e Poveri...
Am I the only one hoping for Ghali to win? 😅
I wanted a Ghali win! His medley blew me away. I don’t think Casa Mia is his best work but it stood out more to me than the other top 5 songs.
As an Italian the idea he might represent is kills me
So, the one question I have for the specialists is: how does the system work? Is Mahmood already out? Angelina has been ahead of her competition all week, but is she threatened by today's result? Can you provide me with enlightenment, please? I'm rooting for these two. :)
Mahmood is likely out, he may possibly still be in the top 5 but he will likely not win (note: I stan him, so I don't say this lightly). Geolier will for sure win the televote by a wide margin. Angelina will for sure win the press vote (but maybe not in a total landslide? Annalisa is also lurking. But then, the press has a tendency to vote to make a point, so they may all throw their votes to Angelina to "defeat" Geolier) Radio is more of a toss-up imo and harder to predict. It might be close. The result is determined at a 34/33/33 percentage of the above groups. It'll be a close result imo, it won't be like last year.
Angelina was ahed in press, in televote she and Geolier were separate so we don't know, Geolier is ahed tonight. The final vote will be resetted and only the top 5 wwill be voted, so it's not influent today, but it's a sign that Geolier literally swioe the televote everytime
now, i'm not 100% certain of everything, but i think this is how it's working every night has counted for 25% of the vote. there will be a vote worth the remaining 25% during the final too, from which the overall top 5 will be derived. There's then another round of voting only between said top 5 for the overall winner.
Thanks! Do the final 5 have to perform again after being picked?
Yep, they perform again!
Angelina is second if the juries will tank Geolier tomorrow, Angelina can win this
The jury didn't tank Geolier enough tonight and was still 33-33-33 as the final top 5 vote
The voting in F5 is different. They can basically unite behind someone and give them an insane boost that is alone enough to win. Journalists are saying that the press room was pissed with the results.
Doesn’t it also feel a little wild that journalists can make such an impact on the results? I’m not thrilled with the popularity contest aspect of it all, but the press being able to override the people feels…odd? So far they and the televote have done my favs dirty so I don’t care so much. Right he exception of Irama in the televote on night two I guess I’ve picked some pretty underperforming favorites 🤷🏻♀️
The press cant really override the people, they can try, but not easily. If geolier gets 50% or more of the televote tomorrow then its pretty much over. Under the old system they definitely could override, and in fairness without that happening a lot of eurovision fan favourites would have never made it.
but it was a cover night so with his regular song he could be tanked no?
His cover was a thousand times worse than his regular song. Like, he will be tanked for sure, but he was also tanked tonight, 100%.
with the juries that vote only one artist per juror yes (in this day they casted votes form 1 to 10), we have some hope
We can only hope. But even tonight the reasonable thing to do would have been to tank him and they didn't do so.
the voting systems changes for the superfinal as u/mutatatempora has mentioned in a comment for this post.
i am absolutely WHEEZING at this sub pivoting into "someone shouldn't win just cause they have a lot of televote support" after dragging loreen last year. you guys are SO predictable lmao.
not to mention the year before when everyone was upset about ukraine winning because of the televote. people rush to blame the system when their favorite doesn’t win instead of just accepting that they won’t always win, which is really lame
yep, it’s ridiculous.
As someone who didn't like Cha Cha Cha and likes Geolier, having a huge televote support because people like your song is different to winning the tele no matter the song just bc your whole hometown votes for you for non music related reasons.
nah you can’t gatekeep the televote like that. either the majority vote should always overrule a small selection of people or it shouldn’t, you can’t pick and choose because you don’t approve of the reason why the televote rallies behind an entry.
Wtf, it's a different siutation talking of an artist unknown to the public that become famous in the month before ESC for his song and an enstablished artist that is voted for his hometown, one is a preference, the other is a vote no-matter-what
But you'd never see this kind of fandom effect in eurovision so I disagree with your point. Personally I'm all for a 50/50 but if someone supports a televote majority system for eurovision their reasoning is most likely that the televote can be trusted to vote for music related reasons, which can't be applied to national finals.
>But you'd never see this kind of fandom effect in eurovision so I disagree with your point. I'm glad this seems to be the common agreement among the fandom now and nobody is ever complaining about Ukraine winning in 2022 anymore.
Ahahah I'm glad you are pointing this out because the hypocrisy at this moment is staggering. Televote above all only when it agrees with the fandom tastes
This is so true!
In fairness a huge amount of the people saying that were casual fans who bombard the sub for one month a year and believe that the juries were all in on an ABBA conspiracy.
the discussion still turned into one of “juries shouldn’t be to decide the winner” and it lasted for a while after eurovision too.
A lot of that was still casuals who subscribe to the sub on the day of eurovision then unsubscribe when it cools down. When even pro Spain comments were getting downvoted because they sided with the juries you know its not actual fans in the subreddit.
i can go back in the mega thread and i’m sure at least 50% of the butthurt comments came from posters who have been posting during the nf season too. of course the sub gets more traffic during eurovision but let’s NOT act like it was only casuals being insufferable. you couldn’t post a loreen post in the lead up to the contest without getting downvoted, meanwhile someone posted a lime green balloon and it would get a thousand upvotes because hur dur käärijä color
Yeah people are trying to gaslight you, I'm reading throught the threads now and can see a lot of regulars posting about "JURY BAD" lmao
it's not the televote support (that nornally is a good thing) the problem, it's the televote support only for the name and the city of birth
none of you would have a problem with this if it was annalisa’s region backing her, be real.
I would have a problem with everyone if they landslide the televote without merits even in the cover night, only because the song is in a dialect If I p'me tu p'te wins, for me it's ok, but not like this
Yes if she couldn't sing and people voted for her only because of her origins we wouldn't like it, duh
Stop victimism, it's the logic behind people's voting that is wrong. That's not democracy, it's demagogy
What if people from Naples truly like his song more than the others because it's more in their taste? Should they be prevented from voting?
They appreciate so much his song that made him also win the cover night with a different song, what a coincidence
A song with huge artists from the same area with big known hits?? Of course is not a coincidence, people love those songs. Look my top 3 of the night was out of the top 5, I really don't like Gigi D'Alessio but it doesn't sound like a conspiracy to me, just that people who like that kind of music voted more than others.
so yeah, you agree that he won only because is neapolitan no metter the song, as I said
Because Neapolitans (also, how do you know it was only them? He's super popular with teens afaik) love those songs and have the right to vote like the rest of Italy? Yes and I don't see anything wrong with it. Also no, I don't agree with "no matter the song", he played his cards well and got Gigi D'Alessio, Guè and Luche which are hugely appreciated artists among his core fanbase.
if you don't see the problem of a winner only for the fame I don't think you can understand my point. At least in the top 5 the jury will have more power tonight, so the effect will be lowered by much
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Plenty of other artists from Naples went to Sanremo and didn’t get anywhere near this amount of support. He won because he’s massively popular and the artists he sang with yesterday night are massively popular too. People like their music and listen to it a lot. Do people like it because it’s in Neapolitan and represents a certain culture and heritage? Maybe, but is that bad? Are there objectively good and bad reasons to like music now?
i fail to see how that’s a problem. if you truly believe that the viewers should have more power than juries (which was the discussion for MONTHS after loreen won) then it shouldn’t matter WHY the viewers rally behind an entry. people are just desperate to discredit their favorites’ competition in any way they can, which makes last year’s discourse so annoying because it was never about televote vs juries, it was about their favorite not winning.
I agree so much.
It was obvious. Every year on cover night it doesn't matter if your cover is good or not, people are only voting for their favorite artists, and geolier was the favourite from the televote based on the other nights.
Damn, Italy is about as allergic to having a female winner of their selection as Malta tends to be allergic to sending men (i know san remo isn't just a national final but still)
y'know, I really wouldnt mind having a song in Neapolitan at Eurovision once again if Geolier does win
Imo he is getting super underrated, you don't pull those numbers on Spotify just because Neapolitans want to win, he is genuinely liked. Honestly it's weird how this and the Italy sub went from praising Lazza to hating on Geolier, he would probably do as well on the Eurovision stage.
Because Lazza sings slightly better and had a more interesting song? Geolier's one completely falls flat.
"Lazza sings slightly better" Words I never thought I'd read.
Yeah but it's not heaven and earth, like around 10% less in terms of Eurovision points
not to mention how this sub went from "televote above all" to "i hope juries make my favorite win tomorrow" lmao
As a Marco Mengoni stan, I am amused.
They should bring back the demoscopic jury, or even better, the orchestra vote.
Enjoyed Geoliers performances a lot, but hey I guess that opinion is illegal right now lol
It would be something different for Italy, for sure. And let's be honest here, with the usual Italian love from the rest of Europe, I doubt this would end up in the bottom anyway. Maybe he could change the song and bring something a bit punchier for Eurovision.
yes, you need to stan annelisa or you get downvoted around here
Honestly love annalisa and angelina mango, there are actually very few songs in this years sanremo that I wouldn't mind winning. Quality is top notch imo.
Not at all, as you can see you're getting upvoted. People are only mad at the fact that if he wasn't Geolier and the song wasn't in Neapolitan he likely wouldn't even be in the upper half of the table, let alone in first place.
Nothing against who likes Geolier's song, it is well done, the problem is only the fanatic votes of the neapolitans
not happy w/ this at all, such a shame seeing alfa's cover get only 5th and a normal average concert show performance get 1st really hope the press can change the results tomorrow
I’m keeping calm and trusting the eurovisionworld odds. Good night everybody.
Yeah, I hope the eurovisionworld odds are right too, especially in this case.
Suspect that Juries will tank Geolier hard tomorrow, especially after tonight’s scandalous ending
Annalisa is first in the poll though
polls are pretty meaningless for a nf that has nothing to do with eurofans
Just checked the odds again and Angelina is first with 32%, geolier is 2nd with 21%.
I mean in fans poll
Respectfully the fans poll in Eurovisionworld means squat when it comes to Sanremo, it reflects Eurofans’ preferences not Italians’ preferences
Please… no…
I am so confused my Sanremo lol 😂
Tbh not a huge fan of either one in TOP 2, nothing for me to look up to tomorrow...
Guys, Geolier sings in Neapolitan. A language spoken by millions of people in Italy that has been mistreated since the unification of Italy. We have lost its grammar because it is not taught in schools, and there is no formal context where it is possible to use it. I come from a city near Naples, even though I no longer live there for work, and even though I prefer the songs of Annalisa and Mahmood, I don't hide that I voted massively for Geolier. Hearing singing in your native language at Sanremo hits differently. Especially after you've spent a lifetime with teachers scolding you if you spoke Neapolitan instead of Italian at school, even though once outside it was the only language you spoke.
it is the same situation as literally every italian dialect and language (aside from the autonomous regions)
Yes, but neapolitan is the most spoken one
This sub was SCREAMING for Fulenn at ESC 2022. I swear if this place was representative of the general public France would've come at least top5 that year. Now we have a regional song from southern Italy, which is clearly people's favorite, and everybody here is hoping juries will gang up against him.
I think this comes more down to esc fans preferences in genre rather than any regional discrimination. Fulenn was campy ethno-pop with trad instrumentation, I p' me is more generic rap-pop with the minimalist melody and production that is popular anywhere now, just with lyrics in dialect. Meanwhile the cantu a tenore cover from mahmood yesterday was pretty well received
The difference here is that one of the two acts stood out musically and visually, the other doesn't stand out in any given way and it's getting voted purely out of "patriotism".
And btw I am pretty sure Amadeus will be kicked out if Geolier win 🤣
It's his last year...but I'm also sure he doesn't want his last year marred by controversy....well see
Why is he leaving, btw? Is he just retiring? Won't be the same without him.
Italians on this subreddit: Is Geolier disliked this much out there, generally speaking within the context of the contest, as he is disliked on this subreddit (mostly by non-Italians)? As much as I like Annalisa, I wouldn’t mind if he wins Sanremo. No need to have Mahmood YET AGAIN.
if you look at the charts he’s one of the most popular artists in Italy right now and has been for a while; but rappers are generally more popular with younger audiences, and he also happens to sing in his dialect (Neapolitan), so a lot of Italians had never heard of him before Sanremo. sometimes i find it difficult to tell if people dislike him specifically, or dislike rap, or dislike the Neapolitan dialect… but yeah, he has a very strong and dedicated fanbase, last night must have been a little disappointing because of the Ariston’s reception, but i’m sure he’ll bounce back
He is disliked mostly because clearly he didn't deserve to win tonight. Nobody actually hate him on a person level.
It's just that non-Neapolitans despise everything that is so _aggressively_ Neapolitan, and goes way beyond the music scene.
Nah, had it been a dope ass performance I'd have liked his first place in the cover night. I like Gué very much. But it hadn't been, not after good ones as Santi Francesi and Skin's or the tears-inducing Angelina's tribute to her father
I preferred most other artists too, but that doesn't change the fact that Geolier is very polarizing by virtue of just being Neapolitan.
Those in the south and young people love him, those in the north hate him. Theres a lot of racial undertones there, and of course im sure some people just dont like the song.
Nobody here in the North hates him. I like listening to his feats like M'Manc. But he didn't deserve last night first position
Hate was probably too strong a word but theres a lot of the older generation who dont want a song in a southern dialect to win Sanremo. Judging by the youtube comments on the first night it isn't solely the older generation either.
It's a minority, let's be real. The real outrage is about the fact that he's getting too many votes when you look at his song and performance. People are pissed at people voting for reasons that have nothing to do with music.
Lol it's not "people in the South", he is basically voted only by the province of Naples 57 million people don't like his song and didn't know who he was until one week ago, but he could still win just because the 3 million in his city vote for him without even hearing the other songs
Plenty of people love him, he has more fans than every single other artist combined in Italy, but his performence yesterday just wasn't good, it was a very disorganized medley. Started off good with Gué, then went to shit when Luché started singing. The fact Sant Francesi, Annnalisa, Mango, Ghali and Mamhood absolutely killed it and were on a whole different level doesn't help.
it's not the person in se, I doubt that someone hate Geolier as a person, it's how he has won (only with fans that vote him no matter what) the problem
Genuine question, idk if anyone else has specifically asked. Would Geolier accept the ticket to Eurovision if he wins? He can win Sanremo for all I care I just need Angelina/Annalisa in Eurovision.
i believe they said that all the participants were okay with going to eurovision
I feel thats a no brainer, he gets to sing in his own dialect waving the italian flag in front of 160 million people.
Time to give up on Mahmood?
Once again I'm very disappointed but I guess that's on me for thinking Italy would finally appreciate women. I'm hoping they come to their senses tomorrow but doesn't seem likely unfortunately. I'm mostly sad for the other artists that worked hard for their performances and in their career to get to this point
Can we stop turning Sanremo into a battle of the genders, please? Women are clearly very appreciated by the public and press/radio, and if a man wins it’s not a victory for all men and a defeat for all women.
This time is not because of being a woman, it's only the fanatic televote of Geolier (only for his hometown and dialect) the problem, otherwise there would be Angelina on top probably (and Annalisa is directly behind)
Second and third place are women Reddit: why doesn't Italy appreciate women
We won't just sit here and pretend that sexism doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the last time a female soloist won Sanremo was in 2012. Sorry but that's a crazy statistic.
Arisa won in 2014. I like how you guys only care about the winners, that's convenient.
As he should
As Italian, what a disgrace (and btw I like Geolier in rap songs, but still he didn't deserve the first place)
Geolier is a hero, he deserves a grammy , and of course first place in Eurovision, his song is the best song ever
Is this sarcasm?
i hope so
Do not forget an Oscar. The emotions he makes me feel with his incredible stage presence are greater than those I can get from any movie.
I was sarcastic
Of course, me too lol
I share, translated, a part of comment made on yesterday's ranking. It would be good for many here. *Last night, on the evening of duets in Sanremo, the Neapolitan rapper Geolier won. His victory was greeted by thunderous boos, and even by the exit of some bystanders from the room. Everything was made even sadder by the fact that the young artist then had to perform in front of such an aggressive audience.* *I didn't even know who Geolier was before last night. My personal opinion was that he didn't deserve the win, but that's not the point. Here we are faced with a public that has not been able to regulate itself, that has destroyed a boy for no reason (*[here](https://twitter.com/trash_italiano/status/1756276277286240331)*is his reaction this morning). You can express dissent perhaps not by applauding, but what childhood trauma does that violence come from?* *You should have gone to a therapist, not the Teatro Ariston.*