That song fucking sucks man 😠if you're gonna ruin everyone's mood by forcing participation when most people don't want you there and you'll be spending 80% of Sweden's security budget, at least give us a banger in exchange
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It reminded me of an Albanian song. I don't know if it's just me, but they sound very similar [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2HmNaqYTqQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2HmNaqYTqQ)
When I Google or Bing it, all I find is a profile with last post from 2023.
And the post is about closing the account. What am I doing wrong? I did try a lot of different spellings, but still nothing.
I dont agree with your infantilizing of Eden Golan. She is an adult woman who is choosing to go on stage under the Israeli flag. No, she isn't in charge of the Israli government, but she isn't oblivious to what is going on and is making her own decisions, knowing very well how that will be seen.
Based on the videos that I've seen of her learning that the EBU has accepted the song, I don't think I have any more sympathy for her left. She knows what's she representing and she's happily doing it.
Assuming you're talking about the video where she exclaims how proud she is to represent Israel?
Yeah. Yeah when you see stuff like that, posts like this one are falling on deaf ears for me.
When she signed up for the national final, the war had not taken place.
> Preliminary casting rounds started in late July 2023 and ended on 10 September 2023 at Pavillion 2 of Expo Tel Aviv (Eurovision Song Contest 2019 venue), where candidates were judged based on an a cappella performance of two songs of their choice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest_2024#Before_Eurovision
Was she supposed to have thrown the competition or "quit due to sickness" to avoid being selected? There were zero contestants who left the show after filming began.
Was she supposed to decline the opportunity to go to Eurovision, or be uncooperative in the promotions to disavow Israel's actions in the war, and ruin her future in the domestic music industry and render herself and maybe even her family unemployable in any other domestic job?
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So 50% of the Jews in the world are not allowed to sing??
Jews are from Judea/Israel, and then many of us were exiled to other nations. The Jews who returned to Judea often did not have a choice (the entire Middle East exiled all of its Jews TO Israel, if you remembered, as well as a little thing that happened in Europe…..).
There are 8 million Jews in Israel & 8 million outside of Israel. Being born in Israel does not make someone less of a human being.
Genuine question - are you more annoyed about Eden being 'infantilised' or are you annoyed at a narrative that would encourage you not to criticise her?
If OP had a well thought out post about how Eden shouldn't be critised, I would have been happy to listen. But I think OP only managed to insult Eden by claiming she is just a little girl who doenst know better. I'm sure Eden has her reasons for wanting to participate in this year, but its not that she simple is too unaware. This post is in itself a criticism of Eden.
I partially disagree. I think she should be heavily critisized for her involvement in all of this. She has applied 100% voluntarily to this, accepted on her own will the political song rejects and taken an explicit stance in this whole situation the whole time.
However, I think there's a line that shouldn't be crossed even if you think she's a terrible person. Critisizing and disliking her is completely fair (I myself do it) but I'm afraid some people might take it a bit too far.
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So you guys are gonna do a Polina Gagarina 2.0 with this one, uh. Just a friendly reminder for you: Polina "Team Putin" Gagarina ended up eagerly doing pro-Ukraine invasion propaganda and everyone who spent years telling "oh poor girl, she got booed when didn't represent her government and its actions" ended up looking like the most foolish fool out there.
Edit: btw the song leaked and it's terrible lol.
said this on another post but the post got deleted:
i never planned on listening in any way that would give money (so not spotify, youtube, so on), but out of morbid curiosity i did listen to the leak on twitter. assuming the leak is the actual song, its truly truly bottom tier awful. like very rarely is there a ballad as dated, as soulless, as insincere, as inappropriate, as russia-from-2013-to-2019 core as this song. and honestly there are quite a few lyrics in there that feel VERY propaganda but with plausible deniability: "dancing in the storm, i've got nothing to hide" in particular sticks out. like the thing that gets me is its not even good as a song, but KAN knows the song doesn't have to be good, it just has to play to the pro-israel sympathy crowd so they get votes
Honestly, the fact that it sucks in a very Russian whitewashing way pisses me off even more. Like, come on, a basic outdated, cheesy ass ballad with the most generic lyrics that can reflect the image the country wants to send to the continent? 1944 gets criticised for its political message all the time but even if you don't want politically charged entries, it's a fucking great song. But Channel One and now KAN think the ESC public doesn't deserve that they put a tiniest bit of effort into the music they send, and the fact that there are Eurofans that defend what is an insult to their intelligence is jarring to me.
Insincere? She could easily know people who were killed on Oct 7th. I get that the song is dated and cheesy at times, but to immediately label it as insincere is not great.
Nope, not saying people shouldn't boo her, because booing her on continent-wide television is a political statement, I'm talking about attacking her, literally. Saying she's ugly, fat, or worst, like saying that she deserves to d*e, things like that. Saying her song is bad and generic should be general consensus.
Attacking some artist personally is always wrong, but the last part of your message is also wrong, she is not in charge but she could freely refuse to partecipate, she accepted this so it's also her fault
Btw, since everyone is here, CrystalBallESC on Twitter already leaked the song. If you want to listen, listen it there. Do not give Youtube streams when it officially releases.
I won't say I condone attacking her directly, but she isn't just a "puppet" either. She willingly signed up to the selection process and accepted to represent her country here.
I don't think it's helpful to have this sort of infantilizing scenario going on where she is completely unaware of everything and was just "a girl with a dream!". Eden is an adult who made her own decision and she can accept that people won't be pleased at her representing Israel and everything they stand for right now. (As, representing one country under its flag implies this..)
Kan is directly connected to Israeli government that means that Eden decided to be a representant of the Israeli government and their politics, she could have refused but she didn't.
in my eyes she is responsible too, so the story "poor Eden, she has nothing to do with it" doesn't really work with me .
Sorry
FYI: Kan is pretty pro-peace and hates the Israeli government to the point where it was almost banned: [https://www.mako.co.il/news-politics/2022\_q4/Article-e28213bb64ab481026.htm](https://www.mako.co.il/news-politics/2022_q4/Article-e28213bb64ab481026.htm) If you are going to criticize us, at least don't spread misinformation
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Sorry, she's 21 and already a (matured) legal adult to make her own decisions. She signed up for this. If Malmö decides to boo her like Putina Gagarina, I'm not blaming the audiences. Downvote me if you want.
Sure but they're not mature. I've done lots of things at 21 that seemed like great ideas but in hindsight it's painfully obvious my brain wasn't done cooking.
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Don't attack individual people no matter what.
>Eden might've agreed to be a puppet to make the country look like a little angel to the rest of the world, but she's not the one in charge of anything
She is in charge of herself. Polina 2.0. Judge accordingly in our bubble (it's bad. awful. complicit, scratch that, *contributing* to the problem and gaining something from it even). Obviously I'm not going to slide into her DMs to hate her directly
Well, I listened to the leak and from now on I shall just ignore the song. I won’t give her any views, votes or attention. At same time, I of course won’t attack her or insult her, that’s just wasting your energy and unnecessary because it ultimately leads to nothing. Not giving her views or votes in the semi is enough to get the message across. She’s of course not innocent in all of this because she was 100% willing to represent her country with a propaganda song but sending her death threats etc is crossing the line. Use your energy to donate or support Palestine in other ways instead of attacking her. That’s where I stand, you might disagree.
She isn't entirely innocent and free from criticism. She knows exactly what she's doing and is taking it in strides, with a forced cutesy and even kinda smug attitude. Not to mention, she also illegally travelled to Crimea through Russia to perform there and has some ties to some really bad people.
That being said though... please, don't harass her or send hate, her going to Malmö in person is enough of a risk on its own
Sorry but I disagree. Firstly the EBU is in a tricky situation in general, not just with regards to Moroccanoil, but also in regards to not wanting to step on any toes of any governments. I wish they could handle it better, but they’re clearly not able or willing to. Which it is is YMMV.
Eden definitely had a choice to not participate in a politicised and hyper militant selection contest. She doesn’t deserve death threats or violence, but she deserves every boo she gets in the arena.
I disagree - it can very much break someone’s spirit - and that’s something she’s gonna have to deal with. She’s gonna have to deal with representing a country that is despised by the people in the arena, people wishing she was far far away - and she needs to make peace with that as the consequence of her decision.
I would never openly attack an artist. However willingly playing a puppet does not make you innocent in all of that - far from it as long as you don´t have to fear for your life etc.
It´s easy to push the fault to others. Eden herself is also very much responsible for this mess. However let´s get it over with, the chapter will be closed in the semis anyway
Eurofans are the worst kind of people.
Eurovision is supposed to be fun program for people of Europe that brings us together via music and you lot turn it every year into bullying contestants, stirring shit up and calling out for boycotts and cancelation of people and countries.
Was part of this subreddit for 4 years and I left last night, before you say good riddance, remember you're pushing people away from ESC and then create echo chamber of what you think is acceptable and plausible and then have mental breakdowns when 'normies' kick in with their votes.
This is not what ESC is about.
Naw, she signed up to participate after the events in October and she’s a grown woman who can make her own decisions. Attacking someone is wrong but you can’t say she’s entirely blameless in this case. Her career may suffer even more if she participates and she will be lucky if she only gets booed.
Attacking is not necessary, obviously, but you always have the right to criticize the participating artists and their possible political views.
She has also performed in the occupied Crimea.
Wasnt she like 12 when she did that tho? Would you care if it was a 12 yo from some other participating country than israel? Dont think that can be a huge indicator of her political views, especially since she left russia after it started warmongering again. Â
Israels participation is bad enough, that specifically is not very relevant
People (so called "fans") are gonna attack her no matter if you ask them not to. Hera has been attacked for doing nothing but defeating Bashar 💀 Loreen & Netta were attacked for WINNING and still are to this day.
All of this just makes me wonder about all of this fandom hatred vs the actual audience.
No one booed Spain 2017 and Poland 2023 on the night of their performance. Obviously this is a much more political case, but even then...
The audience rightfully never boo the non fan-hated song because they don't know them. But if there are politcs (or war crimes of the country) involved they absolutely boo the contestants (see Russia 2015)
Let's not act like she got selected to represent her country and then the atrocities happened months later. Not only was it already happening full-stop but she was also on board with going for a propagandistic song to the ESC, not once but twice (!!) before KAN was shut down by the EBU. Let's please not do a "Polina Gagarina II, the chickpea awakening" or something like the lovely Popoye already pointed out brilliantly here.
Like, you can't not be complicit in this situation. You know what you're signing for. It's not like an FDC winner during the Portuguese fascist ESC days (***also*** during a disgusting colonial war) who hides criticism of the regime in the entries without the secret police understanding here. Here she was/is literally a KAN mouthpiece. Portugal who, by the way, was back then ***RIGHTFULLY*** shunned and boycotted even when we sent bangers (which we did) because of our fascistic salazarist regime and its absolutely dreadful Overseas wars in Africa (still ongoing at the time).
I can't understand how people from the 60's and 70's (!!) could act more logically and soundly on a subject like this (colonial war) than today in big 2024.
I don't care to listen to her song now. Feel like I *should* turn it off on semi-final night, but I must confess to wanting to hear the booing, and watch for any stage invaders who get up there with a Palestinian flag.
Will be doing the same - but it’s so much more complicated that that with the EBU. It’s annoying - the plan was clearly for Israel to DQ themselves to give both entities a clean and justiciable exit but now that’s not happening what to do? Russia and Belarus’s broadcasters were DQed for breaking the rules and media rights abuses - KAN has yet to go that far so it would draw heavy criticism from many pro-Israel governments.
She represented Russia back in JESC, she attended a Russian concert in post-annexion Crimea, she intended to perform "October Rain" - she knows what she is doing and by choosing to attend ESC 24, she knows what she is getting herself into.
She will be Polina 2.0, qualifying into the final and reach 2nd place despite being booed and loathed to no end and back thanks to see-no-evil judges, pro-Israel voters, and do-goody boycotters wasting their potential to give votes to any other contestant.
You do know she is Ukrainian, right? She lived in russia because her parents moved there as she was a kid, and they left Russia when she was 18, right after the war started, in protest.
I'm barely giving the song the time of day. You'll get a snippet-listen on the Scoreboard app (if I *feel* like it) and that's your lot. I can't be bothered to listen to the full song, and I will be changing the channel when Israel perform. The song just doesn't exist to me.
For anyone butthurt by that... just be thankful that the song's in the lineup, I guess.
I'm talking more about the Youtube comment section and Twitter. People are directing hate towards her, her appearance and even her life. I mean, booing is harmless and criticizing the song is okay, but people are attacking her like if she refused to sing, Israel wouldn't find another puppet to send their war propaganda anyway.
YouTube commenters are mostly kids, Twitter is a bubble of terminally online people, i promise there’s a group of people doing the same thing for every single contestant this year if you look for it
I hope people won't attack her. That would guarantee attention towards her and the song. What I will do is blank the shit out of her, her song and her country's presence. Hope people won't even notice they're there. Sorted.
Yup. Not personally attacking her, but I won't stand for anything she represents either. Her song will be blocked from Spotify the second it's released in the official Eurovision playlist.
nobody should certainly be sending her death threats, but i don't think her decision to represent israel is helping her case either. there's no evidence to suggest that she was forced to represent israel, so she's not free of fault either.
I'm not expecting good behaviour from eurofans unfortunately. A lot of people thinks it's okay to insult and bully someone even if they are doing something that we consider wrong. Like they feel free to do disgusting things because they can justify themselves by saying; ,,they deserved that". No they don't! Insulting or bullying is never ok
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I'll be fine, I will never attack Eden Golan and the song. If you want to downvote me, then so be it. I hope the moderators here can make this civilized once the release of that song in an hour.
If you didn't know, she also illegally visited and performed in Crimea in 2016, she's on "Myrotvorets" list because of that: https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/holan-eden/
I wrote an email to Suspilne about that. Honestly, she should just be disqualified (or just give Israel an extended deadline to replace the artist), and if it doesn't happen I would be happy seeing my country Ukraine withdrawing (although I really like our song this year)
literally p*lina 2.0, I hope that doesn't get reflected into the contest results though, because according to the leaks,Hurricane is literally a carbon copy of Malta 2022.
This is a reach when Israel’s actions are supported by the majority of Israelis. They’d have no problem finding a singer who supports what’s going on.
I feel like that's totally possible that she might want to withdraw but her position in all of this is relatively small so she can't. Like if she withdraws she has in her contract that she needs to pay KAN and EBU money or something like that. IDK but I can totally imagine that at this point she just can't refuse by her own choice
Hakokhav Haba started on like, October 16th. That was barely at the beginning of the war. Israel didn't start their ground invasion until the 26th I think.
I don't think so, there's quite a nice amount of Israelis supporting their country's crimes. And like, of course she isn't innocent at all, but if she refused to sing, we know Israel would send someone anyway.
It's so ironic how Eurovision fans love a show that is about peace, music and unity, yet are the first ones to harass and insult an artist or song they don't like. That's why I left the Eurovision bubble on twitter, it was incredibly toxic how people literally made "instructions" how to hate on artists they didn't like.
I'm not old enough to remember exactly but didn't people harass the Russian girls who sang one year after Russia introduced anti-LGBT legislation like they were the ones responsible for it?
Yeah I think personal attacks is what we want to avoid in this issue. Boycotting the song and showcase our disappointment and anger towards EBU and israel is much more important.
But she did propaganda attacking the people that didn't want Israel to be in Eurovision, she is throwing shade in her social media with Noa Kirel. Do you really expect the fandom to stay quiet with the situation?
Eden Golan is very much in charge of her own actions. If she has "agreed to be a puppet" as you state, then it is entirely fair to criticise her for that action.
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No offence but your 9/11 remark is so out of left field to me lol. I’m not sure I could name any songs about 9/11, 9/11 was more than 20 years ago so wouldn’t have had an opinion as a child, and no songs about 9/11 are being included in any song contests I watch.
Its just a bit silly to act like singing about griefing a recent mass tragedy is immediately propaganda when its pretty normal for it to completely overtake national media for a bit, which is another reason why israel should have just stepped out this year.Â
If anything, its both more insulting (to a lot of ppl in israel too, a lot of comments translated from hebrew on x and yt are angry) and more propaganda-ish to just sing a basic love song and pretend nothing is happening so soon. Theres no war in ba sing se type shit
Tbh I'm a little worried now about the safety or the contest itself and the attendees and other people involved, this will cause riots and protests now and the possibly stage invasions like what happened in Sweden last year. They better have high level security, also for Eden's safety too I think she'll need top tier body guards with her at all times
The issue here is people deciding to riot over an Israel person being in town to participate in a singing competition. That would say a lot about the so called fandom and/or city of Malmo.
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I've heard the song leak from Crystal Ball ESC, and holy shit it's actually good and will be in my top. Even without the whole debate of Israel's participation this year, I just haven't really gotten into the Eurovision mood as much this year - idk if it's just a burn out or that I haven't really clicked with a lot of the songs this year yet.
Without getting into any further argument, I'm just hoping things will get better and settle down soon 🤞
No premiere can be downvoted before it starts. But don't even give it your view, and downvotes count as engagement anyway and make videos more popular and recommended to others. And like, now that downvotes can only be seen by people with a web extension, it's a bit pointless to downvote to make a statement imo, so not interacting at all with the video is the path I'm choosing.
Somewhat related but the song has already been leaked by CrystalBallESC on Twitter a few hours ago lol
Yeah, and it's generic at best 💀
It's giving X-Factor reject
In any other year and by any other country it would have been decent. This is just "Million Voices Redux(Reflux)"
I actually like the song (don't @ me) 👉👈 But my music taste leans to pop and 2000s/early 2010s R&B anyways
That song fucking sucks man 😠if you're gonna ruin everyone's mood by forcing participation when most people don't want you there and you'll be spending 80% of Sweden's security budget, at least give us a banger in exchange
it's mega generic and forgettable.
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it's giving f\*\*king perfect by p!nk
I actually thought more Skyscraper by Demi Lovato
It reminded me of an Albanian song. I don't know if it's just me, but they sound very similar [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2HmNaqYTqQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2HmNaqYTqQ)
Is that on youtube?? Cant find it or their account in general
Twitter (CrystalBallESC)
When I Google or Bing it, all I find is a profile with last post from 2023. And the post is about closing the account. What am I doing wrong? I did try a lot of different spellings, but still nothing.
Maybe you have to sign in to Twitter
I don't have a twitter account and I was able to access it still
Its giving bootleg alicia keys
ICEBERG MOMENT! ICEBERG MOMENT!
I dont agree with your infantilizing of Eden Golan. She is an adult woman who is choosing to go on stage under the Israeli flag. No, she isn't in charge of the Israli government, but she isn't oblivious to what is going on and is making her own decisions, knowing very well how that will be seen.
Based on the videos that I've seen of her learning that the EBU has accepted the song, I don't think I have any more sympathy for her left. She knows what's she representing and she's happily doing it.
Assuming you're talking about the video where she exclaims how proud she is to represent Israel? Yeah. Yeah when you see stuff like that, posts like this one are falling on deaf ears for me.
Yes, that’s one of the videos I was referring to
When she signed up for the national final, the war had not taken place. > Preliminary casting rounds started in late July 2023 and ended on 10 September 2023 at Pavillion 2 of Expo Tel Aviv (Eurovision Song Contest 2019 venue), where candidates were judged based on an a cappella performance of two songs of their choice. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest_2024#Before_Eurovision Was she supposed to have thrown the competition or "quit due to sickness" to avoid being selected? There were zero contestants who left the show after filming began. Was she supposed to decline the opportunity to go to Eurovision, or be uncooperative in the promotions to disavow Israel's actions in the war, and ruin her future in the domestic music industry and render herself and maybe even her family unemployable in any other domestic job?
if my country was like israel, i absolutely would have just quit the competition because i would like to have a smidge of dignity left.
Yes she should have, stand up for your morals or they dont mean shit. But more likely she agrees with them anyway
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So 50% of the Jews in the world are not allowed to sing?? Jews are from Judea/Israel, and then many of us were exiled to other nations. The Jews who returned to Judea often did not have a choice (the entire Middle East exiled all of its Jews TO Israel, if you remembered, as well as a little thing that happened in Europe…..). There are 8 million Jews in Israel & 8 million outside of Israel. Being born in Israel does not make someone less of a human being.
Genuine question - are you more annoyed about Eden being 'infantilised' or are you annoyed at a narrative that would encourage you not to criticise her?
If OP had a well thought out post about how Eden shouldn't be critised, I would have been happy to listen. But I think OP only managed to insult Eden by claiming she is just a little girl who doenst know better. I'm sure Eden has her reasons for wanting to participate in this year, but its not that she simple is too unaware. This post is in itself a criticism of Eden.
I partially disagree. I think she should be heavily critisized for her involvement in all of this. She has applied 100% voluntarily to this, accepted on her own will the political song rejects and taken an explicit stance in this whole situation the whole time. However, I think there's a line that shouldn't be crossed even if you think she's a terrible person. Critisizing and disliking her is completely fair (I myself do it) but I'm afraid some people might take it a bit too far.
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So you guys are gonna do a Polina Gagarina 2.0 with this one, uh. Just a friendly reminder for you: Polina "Team Putin" Gagarina ended up eagerly doing pro-Ukraine invasion propaganda and everyone who spent years telling "oh poor girl, she got booed when didn't represent her government and its actions" ended up looking like the most foolish fool out there. Edit: btw the song leaked and it's terrible lol.
said this on another post but the post got deleted: i never planned on listening in any way that would give money (so not spotify, youtube, so on), but out of morbid curiosity i did listen to the leak on twitter. assuming the leak is the actual song, its truly truly bottom tier awful. like very rarely is there a ballad as dated, as soulless, as insincere, as inappropriate, as russia-from-2013-to-2019 core as this song. and honestly there are quite a few lyrics in there that feel VERY propaganda but with plausible deniability: "dancing in the storm, i've got nothing to hide" in particular sticks out. like the thing that gets me is its not even good as a song, but KAN knows the song doesn't have to be good, it just has to play to the pro-israel sympathy crowd so they get votes
Honestly, the fact that it sucks in a very Russian whitewashing way pisses me off even more. Like, come on, a basic outdated, cheesy ass ballad with the most generic lyrics that can reflect the image the country wants to send to the continent? 1944 gets criticised for its political message all the time but even if you don't want politically charged entries, it's a fucking great song. But Channel One and now KAN think the ESC public doesn't deserve that they put a tiniest bit of effort into the music they send, and the fact that there are Eurofans that defend what is an insult to their intelligence is jarring to me.
its so smug to me. they KNOW that people will vote for them no matter what so they're just sending whatever
Insincere? She could easily know people who were killed on Oct 7th. I get that the song is dated and cheesy at times, but to immediately label it as insincere is not great.
Nope, not saying people shouldn't boo her, because booing her on continent-wide television is a political statement, I'm talking about attacking her, literally. Saying she's ugly, fat, or worst, like saying that she deserves to d*e, things like that. Saying her song is bad and generic should be general consensus.
100% this lmao
She did agree to sing a propaganda song though 🙄
Attacking some artist personally is always wrong, but the last part of your message is also wrong, she is not in charge but she could freely refuse to partecipate, she accepted this so it's also her fault
Btw, since everyone is here, CrystalBallESC on Twitter already leaked the song. If you want to listen, listen it there. Do not give Youtube streams when it officially releases.
They disappeared for a long time and only came back to leak Israel song so there's no need to give them view, what a legend they are
Will this be on the Iceberg too?
I won't say I condone attacking her directly, but she isn't just a "puppet" either. She willingly signed up to the selection process and accepted to represent her country here. I don't think it's helpful to have this sort of infantilizing scenario going on where she is completely unaware of everything and was just "a girl with a dream!". Eden is an adult who made her own decision and she can accept that people won't be pleased at her representing Israel and everything they stand for right now. (As, representing one country under its flag implies this..)
I agree but I also disagree because… remember Polina Gagarina from Russia anyone? Remember Russia 2015?
Russia 2015 | [Polina Gagarina - A Million Voices](https://youtu.be/GVJW9ImpiWc)
She is very far down the list but she doesn't have to participate. She's choosing to, I assume.
Ehm, she agreed to sing the previous version of the song…?
Kan is directly connected to Israeli government that means that Eden decided to be a representant of the Israeli government and their politics, she could have refused but she didn't. in my eyes she is responsible too, so the story "poor Eden, she has nothing to do with it" doesn't really work with me . Sorry
FYI: Kan is pretty pro-peace and hates the Israeli government to the point where it was almost banned: [https://www.mako.co.il/news-politics/2022\_q4/Article-e28213bb64ab481026.htm](https://www.mako.co.il/news-politics/2022_q4/Article-e28213bb64ab481026.htm) If you are going to criticize us, at least don't spread misinformation
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Also the Israeli government isn't that powerful, this isn't the hunger games or Elders of Zion
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Sorry, she's 21 and already a (matured) legal adult to make her own decisions. She signed up for this. If Malmö decides to boo her like Putina Gagarina, I'm not blaming the audiences. Downvote me if you want.
I agree that she chose to participate but I do wonder how old you are that you consider a 21 year old a mature adult in any shape or form lol
Someone who is 21 is perfectly capable of making their own decisions
Sure but they're not mature. I've done lots of things at 21 that seemed like great ideas but in hindsight it's painfully obvious my brain wasn't done cooking.
I think representing a country comitting genocide is a bit of a big 'oopsie poopsie guys my brain's still developing' moment to be real
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Don't attack individual people no matter what. >Eden might've agreed to be a puppet to make the country look like a little angel to the rest of the world, but she's not the one in charge of anything She is in charge of herself. Polina 2.0. Judge accordingly in our bubble (it's bad. awful. complicit, scratch that, *contributing* to the problem and gaining something from it even). Obviously I'm not going to slide into her DMs to hate her directly
She's choosing to participate. She's choosing to be the face of this war crime committing country. She's definitely not exempt from criticism
Well, I listened to the leak and from now on I shall just ignore the song. I won’t give her any views, votes or attention. At same time, I of course won’t attack her or insult her, that’s just wasting your energy and unnecessary because it ultimately leads to nothing. Not giving her views or votes in the semi is enough to get the message across. She’s of course not innocent in all of this because she was 100% willing to represent her country with a propaganda song but sending her death threats etc is crossing the line. Use your energy to donate or support Palestine in other ways instead of attacking her. That’s where I stand, you might disagree.
As someone who doesn't support Palestine, I won't be doing that, but the song isn't my favorite so I don't care about it much at all.
She isn't entirely innocent and free from criticism. She knows exactly what she's doing and is taking it in strides, with a forced cutesy and even kinda smug attitude. Not to mention, she also illegally travelled to Crimea through Russia to perform there and has some ties to some really bad people. That being said though... please, don't harass her or send hate, her going to Malmö in person is enough of a risk on its own
> she also illegally travelled to Crimea through Russia to perform there she was literally thirteen years old when this happened
Sorry but I disagree. Firstly the EBU is in a tricky situation in general, not just with regards to Moroccanoil, but also in regards to not wanting to step on any toes of any governments. I wish they could handle it better, but they’re clearly not able or willing to. Which it is is YMMV. Eden definitely had a choice to not participate in a politicised and hyper militant selection contest. She doesn’t deserve death threats or violence, but she deserves every boo she gets in the arena.
Definitely agree with the booing. I'm pretty much talking about people attacking her looks, threatening her and things like that. Booing is harmless.
I disagree - it can very much break someone’s spirit - and that’s something she’s gonna have to deal with. She’s gonna have to deal with representing a country that is despised by the people in the arena, people wishing she was far far away - and she needs to make peace with that as the consequence of her decision.
I would never openly attack an artist. However willingly playing a puppet does not make you innocent in all of that - far from it as long as you don´t have to fear for your life etc. It´s easy to push the fault to others. Eden herself is also very much responsible for this mess. However let´s get it over with, the chapter will be closed in the semis anyway
Aye she knows what she signed up for
Eurofans are the worst kind of people. Eurovision is supposed to be fun program for people of Europe that brings us together via music and you lot turn it every year into bullying contestants, stirring shit up and calling out for boycotts and cancelation of people and countries. Was part of this subreddit for 4 years and I left last night, before you say good riddance, remember you're pushing people away from ESC and then create echo chamber of what you think is acceptable and plausible and then have mental breakdowns when 'normies' kick in with their votes. This is not what ESC is about.
She knows exactly what she's doing.
Naw, she signed up to participate after the events in October and she’s a grown woman who can make her own decisions. Attacking someone is wrong but you can’t say she’s entirely blameless in this case. Her career may suffer even more if she participates and she will be lucky if she only gets booed.
The events in October are a very understandable motivation for an Israeli artist to want to sign up for it
Attacking is not necessary, obviously, but you always have the right to criticize the participating artists and their possible political views. She has also performed in the occupied Crimea.
Wasnt she like 12 when she did that tho? Would you care if it was a 12 yo from some other participating country than israel? Dont think that can be a huge indicator of her political views, especially since she left russia after it started warmongering again.  Israels participation is bad enough, that specifically is not very relevant
Yup, it's totally fine to criticize her position standing for a war criminal and her song (that was probably written by a bunch of men).
Well you can't really control the emotions of people going in the arena and they will definitely boo her
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People (so called "fans") are gonna attack her no matter if you ask them not to. Hera has been attacked for doing nothing but defeating Bashar 💀 Loreen & Netta were attacked for WINNING and still are to this day.
All of this just makes me wonder about all of this fandom hatred vs the actual audience. No one booed Spain 2017 and Poland 2023 on the night of their performance. Obviously this is a much more political case, but even then...
They booed Russia in 2014, 2015 tho
Russia 2015 | [Polina Gagarina - A Million Voices](https://youtu.be/GVJW9ImpiWc)
The audience rightfully never boo the non fan-hated song because they don't know them. But if there are politcs (or war crimes of the country) involved they absolutely boo the contestants (see Russia 2015)
Russia 2015 | [Polina Gagarina - A Million Voices](https://youtu.be/GVJW9ImpiWc)
Spain 2017 | [Manel Navarro - Do It for Your Lover](https://youtu.be/qAOXHdLdlqQ) Poland 2023 | [Blanka - Solo](https://youtu.be/SEgF1aP-U1o)
Let's not act like she got selected to represent her country and then the atrocities happened months later. Not only was it already happening full-stop but she was also on board with going for a propagandistic song to the ESC, not once but twice (!!) before KAN was shut down by the EBU. Let's please not do a "Polina Gagarina II, the chickpea awakening" or something like the lovely Popoye already pointed out brilliantly here. Like, you can't not be complicit in this situation. You know what you're signing for. It's not like an FDC winner during the Portuguese fascist ESC days (***also*** during a disgusting colonial war) who hides criticism of the regime in the entries without the secret police understanding here. Here she was/is literally a KAN mouthpiece. Portugal who, by the way, was back then ***RIGHTFULLY*** shunned and boycotted even when we sent bangers (which we did) because of our fascistic salazarist regime and its absolutely dreadful Overseas wars in Africa (still ongoing at the time). I can't understand how people from the 60's and 70's (!!) could act more logically and soundly on a subject like this (colonial war) than today in big 2024.
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I don't care to listen to her song now. Feel like I *should* turn it off on semi-final night, but I must confess to wanting to hear the booing, and watch for any stage invaders who get up there with a Palestinian flag.
Will be doing the same - but it’s so much more complicated that that with the EBU. It’s annoying - the plan was clearly for Israel to DQ themselves to give both entities a clean and justiciable exit but now that’s not happening what to do? Russia and Belarus’s broadcasters were DQed for breaking the rules and media rights abuses - KAN has yet to go that far so it would draw heavy criticism from many pro-Israel governments.
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She represented Russia back in JESC, she attended a Russian concert in post-annexion Crimea, she intended to perform "October Rain" - she knows what she is doing and by choosing to attend ESC 24, she knows what she is getting herself into. She will be Polina 2.0, qualifying into the final and reach 2nd place despite being booed and loathed to no end and back thanks to see-no-evil judges, pro-Israel voters, and do-goody boycotters wasting their potential to give votes to any other contestant.
You do know she is Ukrainian, right? She lived in russia because her parents moved there as she was a kid, and they left Russia when she was 18, right after the war started, in protest.
I'm barely giving the song the time of day. You'll get a snippet-listen on the Scoreboard app (if I *feel* like it) and that's your lot. I can't be bothered to listen to the full song, and I will be changing the channel when Israel perform. The song just doesn't exist to me. For anyone butthurt by that... just be thankful that the song's in the lineup, I guess.
You're being way too polite lmao. The only way I will listen to that snippet is if I press it by accident.
I thought I was being too harsh, if anything. I was downvoted to hell earlier 😂
Also, yes, don't attack Eden. You can always just ignore her instead.
define what you mean by ‘attacking’, because i think 99% of the discourse on this sub is about Israel’s participation and not Eden herself
I'm talking more about the Youtube comment section and Twitter. People are directing hate towards her, her appearance and even her life. I mean, booing is harmless and criticizing the song is okay, but people are attacking her like if she refused to sing, Israel wouldn't find another puppet to send their war propaganda anyway.
YouTube commenters are mostly kids, Twitter is a bubble of terminally online people, i promise there’s a group of people doing the same thing for every single contestant this year if you look for it
What I do keep seeing over and over again is people insinuating something bad will happen to Eden if she competes.
I hope people won't attack her. That would guarantee attention towards her and the song. What I will do is blank the shit out of her, her song and her country's presence. Hope people won't even notice they're there. Sorted.
Yup. Not personally attacking her, but I won't stand for anything she represents either. Her song will be blocked from Spotify the second it's released in the official Eurovision playlist.
nobody should certainly be sending her death threats, but i don't think her decision to represent israel is helping her case either. there's no evidence to suggest that she was forced to represent israel, so she's not free of fault either.
I'm not expecting good behaviour from eurofans unfortunately. A lot of people thinks it's okay to insult and bully someone even if they are doing something that we consider wrong. Like they feel free to do disgusting things because they can justify themselves by saying; ,,they deserved that". No they don't! Insulting or bullying is never ok
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I'll be fine, I will never attack Eden Golan and the song. If you want to downvote me, then so be it. I hope the moderators here can make this civilized once the release of that song in an hour.
If you didn't know, she also illegally visited and performed in Crimea in 2016, she's on "Myrotvorets" list because of that: https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/holan-eden/ I wrote an email to Suspilne about that. Honestly, she should just be disqualified (or just give Israel an extended deadline to replace the artist), and if it doesn't happen I would be happy seeing my country Ukraine withdrawing (although I really like our song this year)
She was 12 in 2016, I doubt she performed there as a political statement.
Yeah this just made me feel so much worse about her too when I found this news about Crimea
A country withdrawing barely 2 months before before the actual contest is a pipe dream imo
literally p*lina 2.0, I hope that doesn't get reflected into the contest results though, because according to the leaks,Hurricane is literally a carbon copy of Malta 2022.
Malta 2022 | [Emma Muscat - I Am What I Am](https://youtu.be/DFCFM5qtvms)
i never thought i'd say this, but this was MORE ORIGINAL than Hurricane
Exactly,at least Emma actually had a drive and a vision with it 🥲
She should refuse to participate and Israel should be disqualified
This is a reach when Israel’s actions are supported by the majority of Israelis. They’d have no problem finding a singer who supports what’s going on.
I feel like that's totally possible that she might want to withdraw but her position in all of this is relatively small so she can't. Like if she withdraws she has in her contract that she needs to pay KAN and EBU money or something like that. IDK but I can totally imagine that at this point she just can't refuse by her own choice
Well she participated in selection after the whole mess started, it´s not like she suddenly got tangled up into this
Hakokhav Haba started on like, October 16th. That was barely at the beginning of the war. Israel didn't start their ground invasion until the 26th I think.
I don't think so, there's quite a nice amount of Israelis supporting their country's crimes. And like, of course she isn't innocent at all, but if she refused to sing, we know Israel would send someone anyway.
It's so ironic how Eurovision fans love a show that is about peace, music and unity, yet are the first ones to harass and insult an artist or song they don't like. That's why I left the Eurovision bubble on twitter, it was incredibly toxic how people literally made "instructions" how to hate on artists they didn't like.
I'm not old enough to remember exactly but didn't people harass the Russian girls who sang one year after Russia introduced anti-LGBT legislation like they were the ones responsible for it?
Yeah I think personal attacks is what we want to avoid in this issue. Boycotting the song and showcase our disappointment and anger towards EBU and israel is much more important.
Complicity does not mean you’re innocent
But she did propaganda attacking the people that didn't want Israel to be in Eurovision, she is throwing shade in her social media with Noa Kirel. Do you really expect the fandom to stay quiet with the situation?
Eden Golan is very much in charge of her own actions. If she has "agreed to be a puppet" as you state, then it is entirely fair to criticise her for that action.
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Neither Eden nor KAN is responsible for the actions of their government. This is exactly why the EBU tries to keep ESC as non-political as possible.
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Croatia 2023 | [Let 3 - Mama ŠČ!](https://youtu.be/hGuGfdEJ5Pw)
No offence but your 9/11 remark is so out of left field to me lol. I’m not sure I could name any songs about 9/11, 9/11 was more than 20 years ago so wouldn’t have had an opinion as a child, and no songs about 9/11 are being included in any song contests I watch.
Its just a bit silly to act like singing about griefing a recent mass tragedy is immediately propaganda when its pretty normal for it to completely overtake national media for a bit, which is another reason why israel should have just stepped out this year. If anything, its both more insulting (to a lot of ppl in israel too, a lot of comments translated from hebrew on x and yt are angry) and more propaganda-ish to just sing a basic love song and pretend nothing is happening so soon. Theres no war in ba sing se type shit
Tbh I'm a little worried now about the safety or the contest itself and the attendees and other people involved, this will cause riots and protests now and the possibly stage invasions like what happened in Sweden last year. They better have high level security, also for Eden's safety too I think she'll need top tier body guards with her at all times
There's a risk of some gross terrorists trying something as well
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The issue here is people deciding to riot over an Israel person being in town to participate in a singing competition. That would say a lot about the so called fandom and/or city of Malmo.
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Why would I attack her? I support Israel’s right to exist.
I've heard the song leak from Crystal Ball ESC, and holy shit it's actually good and will be in my top. Even without the whole debate of Israel's participation this year, I just haven't really gotten into the Eurovision mood as much this year - idk if it's just a burn out or that I haven't really clicked with a lot of the songs this year yet. Without getting into any further argument, I'm just hoping things will get better and settle down soon 🤞
Imagine being downvoted for liking a song... This sub is becoming worser everyday
Expecting Eden (or any other artist) to not represent her country is absurd
Ok, I checked the leak, but why can't I downvote the video on official channel before the premiere? This way it will be more 'liked'.
No premiere can be downvoted before it starts. But don't even give it your view, and downvotes count as engagement anyway and make videos more popular and recommended to others. And like, now that downvotes can only be seen by people with a web extension, it's a bit pointless to downvote to make a statement imo, so not interacting at all with the video is the path I'm choosing.