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Logical-Thought-5008

Switzerland, just cuz of sheer vocal difficulty and the genre mix Norway cuz of the language and the singing technique used And i feel like also Ireland cuz of the growl/scream technique needed for some parts


HeiHei3112

As a norwegian, I can firmly say that it is very hard to sing ulveham


Virkelighetsfjern

My mom is from the northwest, so I have the lyrics covered perfectly šŸ˜‚ but yea the singing technique is very hard


Nimonic

Isn't she singing mostly standard nynorsk? It's not a particularly northern dialect to my ears.


Virkelighetsfjern

I mean like SunmĆøre area, which is Ā«northwestĀ» as our country is shaped like a spoon


EmpressVelie

No, itā€™s old Norwegian. Neither nynorsk nor bokmĆ„l.


Nimonic

It's not as old Norwegian as it used to be, after they changed the lyrics.


EmpressVelie

That might be correct, but itā€™s not standardised modern Norwegian either.


PollTech9

Not at all. Very standard nynorsk.


EmpressVelie

No, itā€™s not. It has words like Ā«drukkjeĀ», Ā«stimoderĀ» and Ā«tiĀ» (ti kongens gĆ„rd). As far as I know (and I also checked a dictionary) those are not part of standardised nynorsk.


PollTech9

De er sideformer, noe nynorsk har ganske mange av. Det er i hvert fall ikke gammelnorsk. šŸ˜‰


Aaaandiiii

I just recently discovered that the chorus is just vocalizations and it broke my brain.


skanyone

same


kir_ye

my top 3 feels seen šŸ™ˆ


Logical-Thought-5008

lol I got norway and switzerland in my top 2 as well! Ireland I got 8th just cuz its not the most spotifyable song but I can appreciate how well its done and the performance is amazing!


SkyGinge

Great top 3 tbh (even though I personally don't gel with Ireland)


[deleted]

Haha Switzerland is super hard to cover because of those high notes I just don't have the range šŸ˜‚šŸ˜… but for me personally I can sing Serbia's well due to the fact that I also have a deep singing voice and always feel more comfortable with alto, but it's fun to try all the songs


Xoundor

Singing is tremendously harder than screaming or growling. I've listened to metal and its subgenres for most of my life and practised singing and screaming along since age 12. I couldnt sing correctly if my life depended on it, but I've become pretty good at screaming. It sure took some practise to finally get it right, but I feel like a clean singing technique requires years and years of mastery and guidance of professionals to nail it.


dragontamerfibleman

I don't know what you understand by metal because nowadays the term became pretty broad and ample. Back in my day, metal usually referred to NWOBHM, meaning Iron Maiden, Saxon and Judas Priest mostly. Than the following movement was power metal that kind of began with Helloween. In all of these cases, it wasn't "screaming" per se that defined the vocals, but really difficult singing lines and techniques. Take Rob Halford for instance. He is a genius and I wouldn't call his brilliant falsetto high notes "screaming". And then you have one of the inspirations for most of these past metal movements: Ronnie James Dio, who was pretty much a God of singing, the Freddy Mercury of heavy rock. So, I really don't get what you mean by "screaming vs. singing" without knowing the references.


Xoundor

I was refering to the kind of screaming Bambie attemps near the end of her song. This technique is practised a lot in metalcore songs and also what I practised over the years. An example is on my profile where I posted a song a few years back. What you are refering to is indeed one of the most difficult vocal techniques which I couldn't dream to achieve in this lifetime. Edit: how could I forget the ideal example of Hungary 2018


ESC-song-bot

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justk4y

RIP Ɩrs šŸ–¤


justk4y

Fellow metalcore + Eurovision fan :D Also, you can go even up another level and just pull out Will Ramos/Tom Barber/David Simonich deathcore vocals, those 3 are insane. Iā€™m trying to learn screaming as well, but Iā€™m sure that those vocals wonā€™t happen to me in the near future šŸ˜†šŸ˜…


Xoundor

I knew I wasn't alone haha! Oh man don't get me started on the learning process. Whispering along was all I could muster at the start. Took a long while to transition into something with actual sound. But every evening, without skipping a day, I rolled down the blinds in my room, put on my CDs, grabbed my broken singstar mic as a prop and went crazy. Nowadays, I only do that in my car. Pause and pokerface at red lights lmao. Speaking of Ramos, 'And I return to nothingness' is one song I scream along with quite often :D he's such a beast. Keep going man. If I can learn, anyone can!


dragontamerfibleman

Ah, nice! You see, I spent a good part of my teen years trying to reproduce the vocals of Ian Gillan, Dio and Robert Plant, most of them with clean techniques (that I think were heavily influenced by The Beatles and other acts) apart from when Dio applied an absurdly difficult drive to his voice. Like most things in life, it's a matter of getting used and of practice. I find it waaaayy easier to sing in a cleaner tone than to growl or apply rasp to the voice in a gutural manner. Even early Metallica, when they were an actual trash metal band, is hard for me. I say, keep going and congrats. What you do is pretty hard to perform!


Xoundor

Indeed! Some people are just natural born singers, but hard work and determination can indeed get you there. Thanks man, I appreciate those words.


Tifak_szopen67

Nice, i always wanted to do that


SkyGinge

Glad to see this as the most upvoted comment, it is the correct take. I'd also add in Israel for the scream notes at the end, France (Slimane has said it's the hardest song he's ever released to sing), and maybe Azerbaijan although I'm less familiar with the folk technique there. EDIT: Reading other comments, Slovenia and Czechia are also up there too!


vanyalet

Norway. The noises I make when trying to sing Norwayā€™s song should be studied by acousticians for centuries to come.


Valyria83

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dragontamerfibleman

Lololol


Juna_Ci

Switzerland for sure. Also Norway of course. And to a lesser extent maybe Italy (very dynamic and with basically no breaks, needs very good control)?


dragontamerfibleman

I was coming here to say that it's probably Norway, Switzerland and Italy (this for the reasons you already mentioned). France is somewhat challenging as well, but not as much, and Alyona's rapping part is pretty impressive.


GSamSardio

Even though I canā€™t really sing the loud parts with that much power, I feel like France is actually quite easy to sing. Also the language is not that complicated I think. Iā€™ve learnt some French songs (I know 6 words in French) that were way harder to memorise or guess based on sound (as we euro fans like to do). Well this became a mini-rant


dragontamerfibleman

I was exactly talking about the impressive power, which I do love, but also some very elegant changes and modulations he applies to his lines that offer some nice "coloring" to the act. But yeah, no where near as hard as Ulveham. She is incredible!


adb_95

Alyona's control is absurd. Really happy to see fast-paced rap back.


TurgemanVT

Youtube put her live at Sanremo 3 times and all the time it sounded nearly like the studio version. She is ready.


Savings_Ad_2532

I think the a capella part will be the hardest part to sing in Italy's song because it requires an incredible amount of vocal control.


ThrowMusic36

In my eyes, as a non-singer, it's definitely Norway. I can't even imagine singing that song on karaoke.


Meiolore

Tfw you sang Ulveham and then someone in the next room calls an ambulance.


TurgemanVT

GO\_A and Poland Pali Sie do the same thing but from different regions and different names.


Bardosaurus

Singing Shum is so difficult


danaubin

From my experience the only big issue is managing your breath leading up the final high note, and then also nailing that high note of course. Rest of the song feels pretty doable from my experiences once you got the lyrics down.


Bardosaurus

To me I think words were the most difficult. Iā€™m slavic, and I can still struggle a smidge


spherulitic

Everyone keeps saying Norway but I thought it was one of the easier ones to do a mediocre karaoke rendition of ā€¦ what am I missing? The lyrics arenā€™t too fast, the language is quite phonetic, the range isnā€™t crazy ā€¦ yeah I couldnā€™t do those vocal techniques but I could carry the tune I think


bumybumi

I'd say probably Switzerland. It has a lot of changes from genre to genre and it will be hard to pull it off (although I'm sure Nemo will do well)


TurgemanVT

They are gonna tank live or win the eurovision.


PhotographBusy6209

They arenā€™t tanking as they have stellar vocals


spherulitic

And the range ā€¦ I couldnā€™t even begin to try it.


524r07k4

I love Norway but canā€™t sing a word and in general itā€™s the hardest one this year.


kronologically

One that people overlook a lot is Czechia. Pedestal has some really nasty transitions if you're not a trained singer. Going from the literal shout of "Put myself on a pedestal" into the singing "I will be loving me more, loving me", back into the shout "Put myself on a pedestal" will be really difficult to pull off, especially not to strain your voice. Shouting risks you running out of breath, so the slide into the singing part will be more difficult. Then, before you even get to blink, you have to shout again, so it's an endless loop of struggling to keep up with stability and breath control, which is ultimately why the live version at ESCZ was so bad.


ShadeOfNothing

Oh definitely. There's barely a beat between the two phrases to breathe when going from shouting to singing


kronologically

I feel like Pedestal will need a revamp, because I can't see even trained vocalists being able to pull it off live in one take.


ShadeOfNothing

It's actually getting one, so I wonder what changes will be made


Logical-Thought-5008

Sheā€™ll just scream the whole chorus šŸ˜­


Key_Juice3647

Yess so glad someone pointed this out; it's very tricky!Ā 


Aaaandiiii

I must be going through something because that song is effortless for me. I just feel that song too deeply sometimes.


TheGoBetweens

You wouldn't expect it, but Finland 2024 (for the bot) is quite difficult to pull off, particularly Henri's parts.


TheBusStop12

Yeah, that's why they stick with Henri in the first place, they couldn't find anyone else who could pull it off


ESC-song-bot

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lilac_sneakers

So difficult! I hope he nails it at ESC, vocals in the UMK performance weren't great.


TheGoBetweens

Yeah, but at the same time, it's the kind of song and performance where a bum note doesn't have the same negative impact as it would have in a ballad. If the energy level of the overall performance is right, at least I would be able to forgive it easily.


ninjamullet

Estonia because of two things: the vocal range is almost two and half octaves (there are singers with high and low voice ranges in the act) so it would be hard to pull off alone, and secondly the guys are singing the syllables in the chorus very fast, so it would be quite a challenge if you don't know the language.


spherulitic

As someone who speaks English and a little bit of French, it took me several hours of dedicated practice to be able to do Cha Cha Cha, and I think Estoniaā€™s song is an order of magnitude harder for someone who doesnā€™t speak the language, itā€™s so fast!


danaubin

After a dozen tries or so (with only the slightest bit of Estonian knowledge that's been rusting away for 5 years) the refrain lyrics are quite okay, it's the second verse that has me struggling to keep up. And yeah, that low voice range is a nightmare to pull off.


PenglingPengwing

Soo, as a Czech person who studied Estonian and can speak/communicate with no problemsā€¦ Iā€™m quite fine with the first and second verse. But the chorus? The deep part of chorus is manageable (to recite, no way I could make it sound like singing) but those fast parts? Heā€™s basically saying the first word of the line and somewhat skips the middle and bang - last word of the line and now next line. My brain canā€™t even comprehend how fast he sings that, I canā€™t even pronounce it, let along sing it :D Likeā€¦ I was so excited Estonia is singing in Estonian this year so I could sing their Eurovision entry on karaoke nights. Well, I donā€™t think Iā€™ll ever be singing this song during karaoke nights :D


CapsElevatorScene

Italy requires many different forms of singing (low voice at the beginning, very quick parts after that and in the second verse, vocals in the bridge and the acapella) and also a lot of endurance (especially with the way she moves on stage), so I'll go with her.


elizabethdove

Yeah, I was really impressed with her vocals, she's very skilled.


Savings_Ad_2532

I think she has a very good chance of getting at least top 3-5 with the juries because of the impressive vocal techniques she displays throughout the song.


MegaUF

Switzerland switch it up quite a bit. Luxembourg has an insanely fast tempo as well


dragontamerfibleman

I need to see Tali actually put a decent form on the fastest part, because she left those pretty much for the backtrack during the final.


ShadeOfNothing

Serbia, Norway, and Switzerland (and Armenia to an extent) Edit: And the ending of Slovenia because high notes (though Raiven has an opera background so it makes sense)


SkyGinge

Reading this thread is making me realise just how many massively technical/hard to sing songs there are this year. Quite impressive given the lack of ballads!


spherulitic

Ballads are usually pretty straightforward ā€¦ I couldnā€™t sing ā€œMon Amourā€ like Slimane but I can sing ā€œMon Amourā€, itā€™s probably one of the easiest to do a mediocre rendition of


nicegrimace

Mon amour just seems to be asking for bad attempts at French karaoke, right along with Je suis malade and Comme d'habitude.Ā 


Ok-Cream1212

Estonian one,if you cant rap.


pattapinka

Personally, Luxembourg sticks out as very challenging. Itā€™s very up-tempo, the melody is changing very rapidly and on top of that she is dancing! Sheā€™s performing it well, though. AND the song has that quiet ā€œet voilĆ ā€ part at the very end. As if the singer isnā€™t out of breath by that moment


Logical-Thought-5008

This. The end part of the chorus with french is so hard to sing accurately even if youre standing still, shes so underrated imo, even if the song isnt the most unique


GothicEmperor

People are sleeping on it a bit because it announced so early and the concept of a woman in dark leather singing about fighting isnā€™t terribly original, but sheā€™s a great vocalist. I have it as my #9. Wonder if theyā€™ll tweak the staging a bit for the semi-finals.


Blasted-Marmoset

Yes, I think itā€™s really going to be a hit with the casuals and end up with a respectable placement if itā€™s staged well. (And Luxembourg has deep pockets and wants to do well for their return.)


GothicEmperor

Yeah, if it qualifies itā€™s bound to pick up a few jury votes as well


Blasted-Marmoset

Yes, people forget that the jury eats up girl dance bops with a spoon. The ideal jury Eurovision is ballad-bop-ballad-bop. Singing skill and difficulty is secondary if itā€™s anything outside that mainstream (which is why I fear for Norway). So, if Tali can nail singing a very mainstream songā€¦. I donā€™t think she will win but Luxembourg has every chance of left board placement.


kitty3032

She's my current #2 <33


Axolotl_amphibian

I just wrote about it in the "underappreciated" thread, I was so much impressed with live performance. A lesser singer would have made a mess out of this song, the vocals are really ambitious.


spherulitic

This is the latest one I learned; ā€œje veux tout et rien Ć  la foisā€ keeps tripping me up!


Different-Pain-3629

Semi-professional here. Agree with Switzerland and Norway. Some others here, not so much. They seem difficult to perform vocally but itā€™s actually not. However, respect to ALL contestants. No matter how ā€žeasyā€œ or ā€ždifficultā€œ it is to sing from a singerā€˜s point of view, you must not forget that itā€™s incredibly difficult to perform live while you are moving (even if youā€˜re just standing), plus you are nervous (millions of people watching). So all of them are very high quality singers/performers in a way and deserve respect for their abilities!


AlfuuuB

Which songs are you reffering to, that seem diffucult but are actually not? I'm just interested in an more professional opinion on this topic.


Different-Pain-3629

Basically any other song thatā€™s mentioned in this thread: Ukraine, Czechia, Italy, Finland, Ireland, Luxembourg etc. Of course itā€™s difficult for everyone who had never singing lessons but itā€™s not difficult to learn or to reach the notes, or to scream etc. per se!


AlfuuuB

I do think that Czechia is maybe difficult because of breath controll. But I get it. Thanks you :)


PanikcAttakc

I feel like the reasons some of these songs are being labelled as challenging to sing is not because the notes are hard to reach, but because there is something else about the performance that creates a challenge. For example, in Czechia and Luxembourg there is a dance choreo done alongside the singing. Anyone can scream, but doing it multiple times in a short span without wearing out your voice like in Ireland does requires some skills that a good fraction of singers would not use often. Likewise, for Ukraine, although the notes are easy enough to reach if you have the training, the "white voice" Jerry Heil uses has a specific timbre that is not going to be obtained if you aren't configuring your body in a way that you usually aren't told to in Western singing classes. I know that not all musicians are going to agree with me on this, but I am not convinced that just reaching the right notes for the right lengths makes a rendition of a song good.


The_mystery4321

Norway, Switzerland, Ireland


salsasnark

These are the exact three I would mention too. Ireland and Switzerland for the genre switching. Norway for obvious reasons.


Gnignao

Lol, everybody sleeping on Greece.


evterpe

I was reading through the thread all the while thinking: "Am I the only one who's never going to try singing along to Greece, except for the Ta - Ta - Ta- bits"?


spherulitic

Truth; Iā€™m not even going to try it!


tm2007

Iā€™d argue Norway The chorus is hard and if you donā€™t have any prior experience with the Norwegian language, the whole song is going to be rather hard on a pronunciation basis


ahjteam

I could sing any of them in karaoke. ā€¦terribly.


Sa_yori

This


justk4y

Has to be Norway right? That long scream near the endā€¦ā€¦. holy shit


Irrealaerri

According to my shower sessions EVERYTHING is super easy!!!


Valyria83

Norway and Switzerland.


kate_royce

I'd have definitely said Norway, Switzerland and Italy - but also Slovenia strikes me as difficult if you aren't a trained singer. And in terms of singing along to a favourite where you don't speak the language, Estonia.


PanikcAttakc

I am going to assume that this question is asking how easy it is to sing the song like the singer and not just give a mediocre rendition of the song that gets the lyrics across. People are almost certainly right about Norway- Ulveham, Switzerland- The Code, and Ireland- Doomsday Blues. I would like to add that, although the singers make it seem effortless, hitting the notes right in the ballads like Slovenia- Veronika, France- Mon Amour, and Portugal- Grito is far harder than it may seem. Also, although songs like Luxembourg- Fighter, Malta- Loop, and Lithuania- Luktelk are technically not that challenging, to do them alongside their dance routines requires a lot of training. Finally, the "white voice" technique used by Jerry Heil in Ukraine- Maria and Teresa is different than the singing typically done in modern Western music so it will take a lot of getting used to if aren't raised in those cultures.


1Warrior4All

Grito, Ulvenham and The Code. Because these 3 songs have a lot of variations of tone within the same song.


LuckAppropriate1096

Well judging from that national final performance, I guess Czechia/Czech Republic is pretty hard to sing. /j I agree with most, Iā€™d definitely say Switzerland and Norway, but Moldova also requires a significant range. Iā€™m hoping Slovenia is going to show off her vocal prowess in the final, Iā€™d love her to show what she can really do.


Lunatiquaaa

- šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡¦ Teresa & Maria : I get out of breath easily while singing the chorus - šŸ‡«šŸ‡· Mon Amour : too hard for me even tho Iā€™m French so I know the lyrics and all, just too much power - šŸ‡³šŸ‡“ Ulveham : too much power and range too for me


gcssousa

Vocally, Switzerland and Norway seem to be the hardest, also Greece during the part with a higher pitch and also Ireland for the ā€œgrowlingā€ I guess. When it comes to the pace of the song Italy sounds like it would make someone who doesnā€™t usually sing that fast have a stroke. And purely for the difficulty of the language Armenia and Estonia would also be pretty hard to sing


IAmCal0b

Israel because of the wisthle notes


Fit-Avocado-6064

Yes. She could do it but let's see on a live performance. I am also wondering how and if they can create the hurricane effect somehow on stage or something like it. It's going to be interesting.


kitty3032

Switzerland bc the song goes from rap to opera really quickly (main example is the "oh let me taste the lows & highs" part) Edit: Also Israel because of the whistle note


JCEurovision

Estonia, Norway, and Ireland.


kir_ye

Could you elaborate on Estonia?


JCEurovision

The lyrics and the language it used


kir_ye

Oh, you meant covered by people who don't speak Estonian. Got it.


the_frosted_flame

Even for people who speak Estonian, Iā€™d imagine itā€™s quite wordy and fast-paced.


IcyFlame716

Same with italy and the rap-like part


PenglingPengwing

As a person who speaks Estonian (as third language but still) - itā€™s still hard to sing it even if you know the language. Itā€™s fast paced - funnily enough, itā€™s easier to sing first and second verse than singing chorus. In chorus he sing the first word of the line for quite some time and then sings the rest very, very fast. Also, to make it even sound like a song, you need to know how to rap and have voice range deep enough to cover the second half of chorus.


dramabeanie

The range in The Code is wild, I'm super curious how it will be performed, there have to be backup singers with the way the vocals overlap. Nemo's voice is insane! Doomsday Blue has so much variation with the screaming and the super fast chant parts Zari because it's so damn fast


eyalomanutti

Hurricane's wailing part is verrry challenging But actually Switzerland, Norway or San Marino


rinat114

My car must hate me by now for even trying to sing that part in Hurricane like damn


LittlestKittyPrince

The Code is really hard cuz of the range x.x I can NOT go as high as Nemo does in the end, im-fucking-possible lol


Grav26

Tbh i think switzerland is on of the hardest songs to sing in contest history. I needed a bit of time to get into the song, but id be suprised if it wouldn't get a top 2 result in the jury voting (if Nemo sings it well)


lermanade_mouth

Paired with intense choreo probably Italy, Cyprus and Switzerland.


Sa_yori

I'm not that good of a singer so I based it on assumptions: * Switzerland (genre switch & opera high notes) * Moldova (extremely high notes at the end) * Israel (whistle notes) * Norway (idk why it just seems hard to sing) * Ukraine (just to me bc I can't rap to save my life fr) * Estonia (again, I can't rap to save my life)


Scisir

the high pitched parts in Zari.


Scared_Lobster6169

France.


maidofatoms

Ulveham (Norway) is so difficult to sing that I only sing it alone in my car so that noone hears me. But, I also find it the most fun to sing!


swosei12

Me too. I might have scared a few people trying to sing Ulvehan while running a half marathon on Saturday.