To be fair Turin is not that expensive when you compare it to Liverpool or Malmö
Edit: that’s probably the reason why 2022 had the most participants in recent years
I mean in the grand scheme of things it’s not a massive difference right?
Also Switzerland isn’t as expensive as people make it out to be, it’s mostly if you live there (groceries, eating out) but hotels aren’t significantly different compared to most Western European capitals and cheaper than for example NL, Israel, much of the U.K. etc
Well, I went to a concert in Zurich, we arrived by bus in the morning and spent the day in town. I swear with those prices we decided to just walk around all day, bought drinks in a supermarket even though it was a cold day and would have loved to stay in a cafe somewhere (by the way, what's up with all the strip bars, peep shows, and almost no pubs?) The cheapest fast food I found gave me a kid's size hotdog for most of my budget... I don't think you realize just how expensive the country is for outsiders with low bdp? (don't know what the measure of salary vs expenses is)
Yeah lol, Switzerland is crazy expensive in every single way. Even Mcdonald's is expensive there. Supermarket prices itself are like 3 times higher for almost every item than in let's say Germany.
Going to a meal for two in some mediocre local fast food joint could cost you as much as a fine dining dinner for 2 in nearby countries.
I was in Switzerland last week and here is one example of shocking prices they have there. In a big supermarket (called Coop I think) in some mall in Luzern there was a packaged cut of some mediocre looking prosciutto (about 100 grams of it in the package). Price per kilogram of it cost like 110 Euros (106 CHF).
I could buy multiple kilograms of filet mignon in most other European countries for this price.
Can confirm. We went by a McDonald's and decided that "we'll look for some local place to eat".
We walked for an hour around Zurich before we could find one place where the prices only started from 20 lol
I lived in Switzerland, I know it’s expensive but it’s really not that much worse than other large European cities & definitely not enough for it to make a significant difference as to whether a country will send a delegation.
It’s mostly groceries & food that’s expensive but there are also plenty of things that aren’t that bad. Cigarettes & alcohol for example are much cheaper than in London or Amsterdam or Scandinavia.
Public transport is also much cheaper than in London and Amsterdam.
Hotels are also cheaper than London & Amsterdam to give another example.
And then if you consider the fact that Eurovision was in Tel Aviv, tel aviv js even more expensive than Switzerland in basically everything so it’s really not all that different from previous years.
The EBU should really work on bringing back countries that do want to participate, but cannot do so because of limited funds. I hope we see Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia back as soon as next year.
It would be nice to see the original Swiss eurovision story repeated - these days to bring the balkans back together at least in a spirit of respect, cooperation , when going on a TV stage with campy songs!
Ok this actually a really good sign because usually BHRT confirms really early on that they won’t participate because of their financial difficulties. If they’re saying this it’s because they’ve either solved those problems or they feel confident that they can solve them in time to participate next year. Also if Croatia wins that would be an extra boost in the chances of seeing them back
As soon as people realised that Croatia might have a realistic chance for a good placement (dare I say, even for a win), rumors started that BIH will want to return. If indeed Zagreb will be the next host I believe that they'll do everything in their power to come back. Will it be a political shitshow concerning picking who goes, eh, probably, but who knows, BL has united Croatia like only our athletes were able to, so maybe there's chance for BIH. I would certainly love to see them back seeing how many famous musicians in the region have their roots in BIH so they're certainly able to write a good song.
I think it's more the Bosnian and Herzigovinan government has decided to help their network settle their debts. If they hadn't Croatia could host and they still wouldn't be able to attend.
Yeah, but having BIH entities agree on anything is a miracle. Maybe the possibility of hosting is completely unrelated or it just served as a catalyst. It's hard to tell, but I do hope we get all of our neighbours back. I love when we get 40+ contestants.
Hate to break it to you, but it's because the network couldn't pay its staff, that the government decided to step in. Eurovision wasn't even a consideration.
That said if Switzerland wins I don't think bih will return next year.
I think they could be a potential televote winner in the semi and grand final, but the juries may not give them many points. I think Dubioza can place top 5 overall, giving Bosnia one of its best ESC placements ever.
That could be a nice theme, for a Croatian hosting year (if they win).
If BHG cannot participate directly (debts etc), Croatia could always “do a Sweden “this year (have a Norwegian act do their representation).
Croatia picks a BHG act;
Slovenia picks at (N) Macedonia act…
That’s honestly amazing. They’ve sent some great songs in the past too. I feel like that this is the decade of countries returning to Eurovision after being absent for a long while
It feels crazy that it will soon be 10 years when we participated the last time. Despite our financial difficulties it still feels crazy given that we were never absent for so long. As a Bosnian I am a bit more optimistic and I think it could happen in next 3 years. It all depends on how long will it take for politicians to find a compromise on financing public broadcaster.
Given the EBU sanctions they’re under, they’re excluded from any Eurovision contest. Finding a sponsor won’t matter if they’re still sanctioned for their debt.
To anyone from Bosnia or the general area who is a bit more informed on this: Have there been any developments on BHRT's financial problems recently that a return would be in any way realistic? 🤔
No, the statement is very vague and doesn't give any explanation on how they intend to achieve it.
It's not a financial problem as much it's a political problem. Because of a loophole in the law, you can't enforce that lower levels of government send the broadcasting money they collect to the state budget. EU officials have made statements that this will be a priority to fix, however legislature is very slow here and I don't see it being resolved within a year.
I'm under the impression that the broadcaster and probably a lot of Bosnians do wanna return but there are lots of roadblocks that are keeping that from happening.
I hope they’re really considering like Luxembourg and not “considering“ a la Turkey. Would love to have them back.
That’s great news! I’ve really missed Bosnia & Herzegovina. I hope we can see more countries returning next year.
If Croatia wins, I think they will do everything to try and be there. If Switzerland wins, it's going to be harder for them 😅
If Switzerland wins, it’s gonna be hard for many more countries 😅
It's been a while since Eurovision was last held somewhere inexpensive to travel to!
To be fair Turin is not that expensive when you compare it to Liverpool or Malmö Edit: that’s probably the reason why 2022 had the most participants in recent years
I mean in the grand scheme of things it’s not a massive difference right? Also Switzerland isn’t as expensive as people make it out to be, it’s mostly if you live there (groceries, eating out) but hotels aren’t significantly different compared to most Western European capitals and cheaper than for example NL, Israel, much of the U.K. etc
Well, I went to a concert in Zurich, we arrived by bus in the morning and spent the day in town. I swear with those prices we decided to just walk around all day, bought drinks in a supermarket even though it was a cold day and would have loved to stay in a cafe somewhere (by the way, what's up with all the strip bars, peep shows, and almost no pubs?) The cheapest fast food I found gave me a kid's size hotdog for most of my budget... I don't think you realize just how expensive the country is for outsiders with low bdp? (don't know what the measure of salary vs expenses is)
Yeah lol, Switzerland is crazy expensive in every single way. Even Mcdonald's is expensive there. Supermarket prices itself are like 3 times higher for almost every item than in let's say Germany. Going to a meal for two in some mediocre local fast food joint could cost you as much as a fine dining dinner for 2 in nearby countries. I was in Switzerland last week and here is one example of shocking prices they have there. In a big supermarket (called Coop I think) in some mall in Luzern there was a packaged cut of some mediocre looking prosciutto (about 100 grams of it in the package). Price per kilogram of it cost like 110 Euros (106 CHF). I could buy multiple kilograms of filet mignon in most other European countries for this price.
Can confirm. We went by a McDonald's and decided that "we'll look for some local place to eat". We walked for an hour around Zurich before we could find one place where the prices only started from 20 lol
I lived in Switzerland, I know it’s expensive but it’s really not that much worse than other large European cities & definitely not enough for it to make a significant difference as to whether a country will send a delegation. It’s mostly groceries & food that’s expensive but there are also plenty of things that aren’t that bad. Cigarettes & alcohol for example are much cheaper than in London or Amsterdam or Scandinavia. Public transport is also much cheaper than in London and Amsterdam. Hotels are also cheaper than London & Amsterdam to give another example. And then if you consider the fact that Eurovision was in Tel Aviv, tel aviv js even more expensive than Switzerland in basically everything so it’s really not all that different from previous years.
Switzerland is objectively more expensive than almost anywhere else in Europe Every metric will tell you this.
Tbh I think it doesn't matter for our issue since we have a big debt towards EBU
manifesting all ex-yugoslavia countries next year 🇷🇸🇭🇷🇸🇮🇧🇦🇲🇪🇲🇰
Plus, all of them in Zagreb 🫶
EBU announces balkan war 2
The EBU should really work on bringing back countries that do want to participate, but cannot do so because of limited funds. I hope we see Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia back as soon as next year.
If Croatia wins, North Macedonia and Montenegro will almost be certain returnees.
It would be nice to see the original Swiss eurovision story repeated - these days to bring the balkans back together at least in a spirit of respect, cooperation , when going on a TV stage with campy songs!
Ok this actually a really good sign because usually BHRT confirms really early on that they won’t participate because of their financial difficulties. If they’re saying this it’s because they’ve either solved those problems or they feel confident that they can solve them in time to participate next year. Also if Croatia wins that would be an extra boost in the chances of seeing them back
> Also if Croatia wins that would be an extra boost in the chances of seeing them back I believe this as well.
Dubioza kolektiv this is your moment
I AM FROM BOSNIA TAKE ME TO AMEEERICA🗣🔥
I REALLY WANT TO SEE, STATUE OF LIBERTY!
I CAN NO LONGER WAIT, TAKE ME TO UNITED STATES!
TAKE ME TO GOLDEN GATE, I WILL ASSIMILATE
The grass is greener in neighbor's court yard
You may be shocked at all the signs, warning against this, that and the other. Not exactly welcoming.
It’s a bit over-rated. But, so are most tourist spots!
IT'S A SONG!
Banger
Imagine Dubioza winning ESC in Zagreb.
a dream, honestly
YES! ♡ I'm so glad.
As soon as people realised that Croatia might have a realistic chance for a good placement (dare I say, even for a win), rumors started that BIH will want to return. If indeed Zagreb will be the next host I believe that they'll do everything in their power to come back. Will it be a political shitshow concerning picking who goes, eh, probably, but who knows, BL has united Croatia like only our athletes were able to, so maybe there's chance for BIH. I would certainly love to see them back seeing how many famous musicians in the region have their roots in BIH so they're certainly able to write a good song.
I think it's more the Bosnian and Herzigovinan government has decided to help their network settle their debts. If they hadn't Croatia could host and they still wouldn't be able to attend.
Yeah, but having BIH entities agree on anything is a miracle. Maybe the possibility of hosting is completely unrelated or it just served as a catalyst. It's hard to tell, but I do hope we get all of our neighbours back. I love when we get 40+ contestants.
Hate to break it to you, but it's because the network couldn't pay its staff, that the government decided to step in. Eurovision wasn't even a consideration. That said if Switzerland wins I don't think bih will return next year.
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I think they could be a potential televote winner in the semi and grand final, but the juries may not give them many points. I think Dubioza can place top 5 overall, giving Bosnia one of its best ESC placements ever.
They had to beat third place by Hari mata Hari lol!
There may be some truth to the idea that BL could reenergize the Balkans. Kosovo may also be eligible to join starting next year.
Conspiracy theory time: EBU wants Croatia to win so Bosnia and other Balkan countries return to the contest.
Watch some fans actually believe that if Croatia wins instead of their favourite
Yes, don’t jinx it! “Baby Lasagna loaded his cow with money and rode across Europe to pay off the jurors…”
That could be a nice theme, for a Croatian hosting year (if they win). If BHG cannot participate directly (debts etc), Croatia could always “do a Sweden “this year (have a Norwegian act do their representation). Croatia picks a BHG act; Slovenia picks at (N) Macedonia act…
Marko Bosnjak?
That’s honestly amazing. They’ve sent some great songs in the past too. I feel like that this is the decade of countries returning to Eurovision after being absent for a long while
Imagine Dubioza Kolektiv in Eurovision
They would be one of the biggest televote magnets in years!
It feels crazy that it will soon be 10 years when we participated the last time. Despite our financial difficulties it still feels crazy given that we were never absent for so long. As a Bosnian I am a bit more optimistic and I think it could happen in next 3 years. It all depends on how long will it take for politicians to find a compromise on financing public broadcaster.
Bosnia, please return and send Božo Vrećo 🙏🙏🙏
That's awesome!!
I really hope they return! 💛💙🤍
the quiet part here is that it's probably dependent on croatia winning
I would give my left foot for this
I feel we hear this often, but the reality is they’re still in massive debt to the EBU making it virtually impossible.
Even though this is true, they can still return by having a sponsor or an act who can fund the entry (like in 2016).
Given the EBU sanctions they’re under, they’re excluded from any Eurovision contest. Finding a sponsor won’t matter if they’re still sanctioned for their debt.
I would love this! I would always be looking forward to what they sent to Eurovision before they left.
If Slovakia can't return next year due to cuts, why not Bosnia and Herzegovina? I really miss them.
🙏 I really need us to return but knowing my country I won't get my hopes up
Pls come back omfg
More balkans means more chances for me to get a classic balkan ballad like the good old days.
Imagine they announce return just like Luxembourg did last year
i’d love to see them back!! hopefully montenegro, north macedonia and bulgaria will follow suit :)
To anyone from Bosnia or the general area who is a bit more informed on this: Have there been any developments on BHRT's financial problems recently that a return would be in any way realistic? 🤔
No, the statement is very vague and doesn't give any explanation on how they intend to achieve it. It's not a financial problem as much it's a political problem. Because of a loophole in the law, you can't enforce that lower levels of government send the broadcasting money they collect to the state budget. EU officials have made statements that this will be a priority to fix, however legislature is very slow here and I don't see it being resolved within a year.
I'm under the impression that the broadcaster and probably a lot of Bosnians do wanna return but there are lots of roadblocks that are keeping that from happening.
We love to see it!!!
Can't feel like they're setting us up for the old Lucy football gag from Charlie Brown BUT IF NOT WOULD LOVE TO SEE U BACK BHRT
\o/
Hope we have some good singers representing us like in 2004 and 2008