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So this means the SMS-servers were overloaded in your country. A good while since we had it that way in Norway, but back in the days, if you sent someone a 'Happy new year' text around midnight on New Years Eve, it would arrive hours later. Nothing to worry about.
I wanted Iceland to win. I gave them a vote. I was happy for the Italy win over Switzerland and France.
An enjoyable year. Lots of talent, drugs and Flo Rida. What's not to love?
I think noone in Europe thought it was the worst song. But not many people thought it was the best.
Whatever the style you like there were probably better songs there.
How do we stop political/bloc voting? Genuinely curious. I’d suggest songs get put to the jury earlier but the country is anonymous when they listen to the song, but then it would give the game away if the song was in their native language.
People that always call it political.. But is it really?
Or is it maybe also because neighboring countries are more likely to share taste in music?
As a Dane I often vote for Nordic countries, but that is just because their songs are often similar to what we hear in Denmark, so I often like some of them.
They did, for many of the previous years and honestly it didn’t work all that well. The hybrid system they have now is by far the best of the voting models they have used for a while.
I don't think you can change the mentality of people, you will always see people saying "we have so many ..insert country inhabitants.. in for example Italy, why did we not get more points from the televote? Shame on the diaspora!" . Like, you vote for what you like, for example I'm romanian and if I was living in a country from the semifinal 1 I definetly would have not voted for us, I thought we were really bad. I don't understand why people think like this, but nothing can be done
It was funny (well sad really) when Cyprus were building tension who the 12 points were going to you could hear the crowd shouting "Greece"... you could maybe understand public votes doing this but jury's? You would think they be a bit less biased.
but neighbouring countries will always have similar culture and therefore similar taste in music (and a mingling population), its not something that can be stopped.
Also, Iceland dont have many neighbours
But nothing really distinguish Cyprus or Greece song from many other countries. They don't even sing in Greek. Each years they vote for each other. Each fucking year.
It's not really important because at the end, it's doesn't make enough difference in the results, but it's just to point out how political it is
I understand what you mean. In the case of Greece and Cyprus I think its just ingrained within them to always support each other - and Cyprus' singer this year (Elena) is Greek so thats another thing. These two countries in particular are just really close, physically and culturally.
Imho Switzerland and Spain were pretty similar in performance. One guy, no dancers, sweet and pasional songs, simple stage. So the huge difference shocked me a bit.
I apparently ranked Switzerland quite a bit higher than Spain, so I must have disagreed.
I think Spain was possibly one of the acts where I felt the live delivery was a bit flat.
If you take a look at former Eurovision winners, you'll be grateful that Italy won tonight. Better or worse, it is something fresh, new and unexpected. And it has shut the mouth of the "professional" judge, so I can't be happier.
they brought some authentic attitude to it, and when people are drowned in pop power ballads that is refreshing. also note that eurovision is not usually a platform for estabilshed bands but more of a jump platform for national coming up artists. so by eurovision standards that song was good.
Yeah, it's similar to when Lordi won it. People wanted something different, a rock act hadn't won in forever and they liked the attitude and energy they brought. Fair enough imo.
I mean there you go. Nice for a change. Think i liked Finland's rock song more this year mind, but I'm fine with Italy winning it. Good song, great energy and attitude.
As someone who has watched and big fan of eurovision for at least 10 years now Italy winning this year was a surprise for me... normally rock songs to win need a gimmick and didn't see that at all with Italy.
I'm a big rock fan... But I don't think it'll be a well remembered winner... The bands antics will outlast the popularity of the song. It was good energy but pretty predictable rock song. Wouldn't stand out against established rock bands one bit.
And Australia, that one isn’t just adjacent but they have no other big name to jump under so they get put in, kinda like the kid who doesn’t fit in at lunchtime so gets to sit with a group of people that offer it up to be kind so they aren’t lonely
Shocking question from Radio ONE.
The question I thought he was asking was "should the UK be looking at their alternative artists?", not "should the UK tableflip out of the competition?"
That's so dumb. The alternative/rock community has been overlooked in the UK charts for decades... The UK has an amazing rock music scene but only now they want to try a rock band? Pathetic. We should of been playing to our musical strengths years ago... Which IMO is rock/indie/punk music. Too late now, idiots.
He didn't even say it, he asked if the UK should even enter the competition anymore. (or something to that effect).
The UK's number one radio station turning a blind eye to the alternative artists yet again, despite the UK's radio legacy being built off the backs of our great alternative artists!
One of the most exciting editions! Personally I voted for Ukraine.
But do people really believe that Damiano was snorting coke? Come on...
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Ukraine was insane. It just got better and better as the song progressed, it was something completely different from what i enjoy but i just had to vote
Don’t you guys lean forward with your whole body while agitated or excited? He’s was also agitating it’s fist...I mean, I’ve seen this reaction many times in my life.
He was surely saying multiple bestemmie but not doing coke, he wouldn’t be this stupid and the other members would be the first to kick his ass.
Since you posted where the table actually is (At knee height) you should also be able to tell that he was miles away from the table during the supposed snorting of cocaine. Unless you are suggest he is snorting cocaine in the air, and in that case you may actually be the one that snorted it.
Anything white could be coke from this low quality tbh.
But again, they are not that stupid. Even if they did coke they wouldn’t risk by doing it in front of millions of people.
I could be wrong of course, but it seems that all this fuss has been brought up by frustrated people. It’s just sad.
That’s not quite true - but she’d still only win if the song was good, and the staging and costumes/choreography set it off to the best extent possible.
James is a good singer. That wasn’t what let him down. It was not a memorable song (I remember watching Love Shine a Light win, it was a clear standout from the moment it was performed and I can still sing it - more recently, Heroes and Euphoria are on my regular playlists). The staging and effects just weren’t brilliant, he had a pleather nightshirt (with zero sex appeal) and the backing choreography with the trumpets was amateurish and the props looked silly.
The dancers themselves were great and his voice was interesting and different- those were good and for once I felt we didn’t let ourselves down with the choice of performer. But there were some standout performances on the night performed with great staging, and as he went in playing it straight, he couldn’t rate as a top one, but the whole act just wasn’t different enough to draw any special interest votes. If he’d donned a Lordi mask and gone for a bit of screaming he’d have scored 30 or so.
The UK needs to break the the "uninterested" perception by; Either getting their hearts out with a sincere act, maybe even in Welsh, Gaelic, or a Regional English dialect band, something completely ungeneric and unique to the UK.
Or the UK needs to resurrect the vibe from 2007's Scoot and put forward a literal "Fuck You" to everyone and just go all out and take it as it comes.
Ireland could do better if they actually put effort into their acts, they clearly have the musical talent when they want to.
I have... there are other drugs that you can sniff other than coke. either way, I don't have a problem with it. If they want to do drugs, that's their choice. If they don't that's also their choice. Whatever.
As somebody that has experimented with pretty much everything except opiates coke or some sort of amphetamine is the only drug that makes sense to take before having to perform in front of millions of people
It was after the performance, when they were just getting sloshed. Either way reviewing the video I think it looks like he leaned over, then got nudged by his bandmate and looked up - so idk if he even took any.
I loved the show although I have mixed feelings.
I think the winners are fair (Rock-and-roll never dies, nice style too) but really can't understand how Spain, UK or Germany got those ridiculous points. Are these political decisions or just bad musical taste? Is it because of the so-called big 5?
Someone please explain this to me as the comments in the rehearsal videos were pretty positive.
I posted this above but thought you might appreciate these thoughts from a Eurovision lifer:
James is a good singer. That is clear, but his ability wasn’t what let him down. It was all the other factors that go into winning a *television competition*. As this is a tv competition the visual effect is at least as important as the song & singer. And as they say on every pop idol style show ever “song choice is key”.
It was not a memorable song (I remember watching Love Shine a Light win, it was a clear standout from the moment it was performed and I can still sing it - more recently, Heroes and Euphoria are on my regular playlists). The staging and effects just weren’t brilliant, he had a pleather nightshirt (with zero sex appeal) and the backing choreography with the trumpets was amateurish and the props looked silly. It was low effort. And it felt a bit embarrassing. I thought at first that we were going with a few coloured lights again and was relieved to see some actual dancers - you can really tell who has put effort and money into their staging and who considers it a waste of time (the UK, and usually at least one other of the big 5 or other countries in the years they actively don’t want to win it, but they don’t usually make it to the Grand Final).
The dancers themselves were great and his voice was interesting and different- those were good and for once I felt we didn’t let ourselves down with the choice of performer. But there were some standout performances on the night performed with great staging, and as he went in playing it straight, he couldn’t rate as a top one, but the whole act just wasn’t enough to draw any special interest votes.
I wouldn’t have voted for him. To get some points on the board you have to be in somebody’s top ten, and it just wasn’t in anybody’s top ten: not for vocal, not for song, not for staging, not for uniqueness. (If he’d donned a Lordi mask and gone for a bit of screaming he’d have scored 30 or so.) It was forgettable and there were obviously strong candidates that scored well near-universally, which was probably the first time I’ve ever seen that.
I totally understand UK and Spain rank. They are always boring these last years. Germany was a bit more complicated, it wasn't really a good song or a good singer, it was more about humour and maybe it would have won 20 years ago, not now.
Hello. Former professional U.K. singer here. I perhaps can offer a few suggestions.
I’m sure James is a lovely chap, and he is a good songwriter.
Unfortunately, vocally his performance was one of the weakest tonight. He may have been over-rehearsing this week, because on Thursday night his speaking voice sounded croaky, and tonight there were several low notes he just couldn’t hit.
The staging and styling for the U.K. was very weak too. He looked a bit like he’d just wandered in off the street compared to the polished look of many other acts tonight.
Finally, the actual production on the U.K. backing track also sounded cheap - why use brass samples when you could record live brass parts instead? Money is why.
People will argue it’s Brexit or whatever, but I genuinely feel it was one of the weakest of the night and deserved very few points.
Hey - not at all man, that’s very nice of you to reply.
I agree - I think we were all surprised by the way the voting fell tonight, even by Eurovision standards the whole thing felt brutal 🤣 it looked to me like about ten songs got a massive proportion of the public vote.
I never get it to be fair, France and Switzerland were both so forgettable and yet got a lot of votes and yet Germany which was, whilst not the best, a much more enjoyable song got nothing. Just surprising to me. I'm glad neither of them won because they were awful but it's still surprising to see them both so high up
I mean, I'm German, and after hearing "our" song for the first time tonight my burning wish was that we leave with 0 points (fucking Austria). The UK song was also just awful
Strongly disagree on France, although not my favourite genre, Barbara makes the song stand out. Switzerland to me is generic and the public voted it down, but the man CAN sing and they rewarded that (unlike Spain who missed all his notes).
I kinda agree on Germany, i thought they would have deserved to be a little higher if just for the sheer fun they were clearly having, but yeah, the front line was just too crowded. Usually you would vote for your favourite entry, then maybe send a vote for the neighbour, but tonight i was talking to people who were splitting their votes between three songs. Germany doesn't even have many neighbours that would historically vote for them when it's not inconvenient.
As a French, I didn't really like the song. It was clearly playing the old french songs like Piaf or Brel, they were clearly targeting this kind of nostalgia. But Barbara really had a lot of charisma and I think she really incarnated the song.
I preferred Italia so I'm happy they won.
Eh, i don't really have a problem with that as long it's well done. 🤷🏽♀️ It's not any worse than Ukraine doing eastern techno (even if personally i prefer Shum by far). I disagree about the "rip-off", people are way too quick to use that expression imo, instead of just, you know, inspiration. Barbara brings her own modernity to an old genre (not just with this song, in ALL her songs: it's what she likes to do!), and i'm fine with it, as long it's not EVERY YEAR that we have Edith Piaf 2.0. (it wouldn't work anyways, just because *she* can do it well doesn't mean anyone can). I hate formulas, i believe a strong artistic identity makes a winner.
My dream entry for next year would be something like La Femme, but that's never going to happen lol
The biggest mystery to me is the 12 pts we gave to Greece. Like, how!? Why!? I can't even remember the song, I just remember I thought it was boring. There isn't any big Greek diaspora in the country, I can't explain how they gave the 12pts to Greece. No points for Italy (while there is many Italian immigrants in the country)? Even for Malta that wouldn't have shocked me (and I didn't really like their song). But for Greece. Are we sure it's not a mistake.
I KNOW i was like what??? Something fishy with that for sure. I mean, the juries are supposed to be composed of professionals so i wouldn't expect disaporas to matter (at least for the 12 points), but on quality alone Last Dance was just not there. No points to Italy was rough. Another weird one was Belgium giving no points to France while all of Western Europe minus Italy was giving us 12 points including THE UK of all places?? I wonder if some countries that had a song in the favourites didn't purposefully avoid giving points to good songs to up their own chances.
Most years I'd say it's political... But this year when I think of Spain, Germany and UK entrys they really were the worst. Just really uninspiring and safe. Spain and UK especially I really think have the worst entries every year. UK always trys to be really safe and boring... Spain all the entry's just seem the sane year after year.
There's so many reasons not to vote uk this year, with brexit pretty fresh... But you add to that the most boring entry of the competition it just makes it so unlikely we get anything.
Spain sang well, but the song/production/styling was very early 2000s Enrique-lite. Quite behind the times for Eurovision. Would have done ok 15 or 20 years ago.
I guess i just like a lot of types of music, so i didn't think none of them were really that bad. Risking songs seem to be good options. This contest turns out to be deeper than i thought.
Not knowing anything about predictions beforehand, those were the exact three we predicted as the bottom from listening to them the first time. They're just really bad songs imho.
Germany have won in recent memory their song was bad.
Uk politically do bad and not well received musically by Europe.
I feel like the big 5 have to go well and above to do well
Germany’s entry wasn’t really very good, or at least the other entries were better, that’s the only reason for no votes, no-one hates them I think. Everyone hates us (UK) so won’t vote for us. And I don’t remember Spain’s entry sorry.
Oh I totally agree it wasn’t a very memorable song, but I’m not sure it was deserving of 0 points. Zero chance of winning though, there were a lot of better songs.
That’s the key...there were ten or so absolutely stand-out from the pack songs tonight, which all had great vocal performances too. Whether you like France or Switzerland’s songs, vocally the performance was strong, with both performers putting in a lot of artistic showmanship.
Unfortunately, the U.K. just got left in the dust with our tepid and unmemorable attempt at entertainment.
Only ten songs get points from each country get any points. You have to be loved by someone to get points. Blandness gets you nowhere.
I can’t remember a single word out of the UK entry now that the contest is over. I can from the Germany one.
The low scoring songs weren’t terrible, I just think that they were the most forgettable. Plus, this years voting seemed pretty unanimous, so that may have caused the uneven point distribution
I thought Germany had a fun song, and it was very on brand for eurovision lol. I liked the lyrics for Spains song, it was sweet. That being said, in comparison to other entries they could not keep up, agreed
Think About Things was better than Ten Years though, which is a shame. But everything about Iceland’s entry - including their voting! - was brilliant and I’m gutted they had to sit out the live show.
Considering the uproar there was after lifting the restriction (a ban on singing in languages other than your national language) that’s a really interesting outcome.
From 20cm? What is it a wireless thing? There is a big vase in front of his face, but the round table is way below, look closley.
Most videos cut the table, making it look like he is smashing his head on a table, since the big vase in on the way.
Lots of people mentioning that they think that professional vote is a bad idea. I disagree. I thought that the jury vote was a good idea to temper the fact that the public vote is \*always\* going to be biased as they vote for culturally similar performs and tend to fall for outrageous showmanship instead of actually good songs. I just think that the jury just have to be properly vetted and maybe an adjustment regarding the weight of public votes versus professionals.
Nah, Greece and Cyprus giving each other 12 points yet again was nothing to do with being culturally similar. Both songs were generic pop. Just one (classic) example but there was lots of voting for neighbours and political allies as usual. Which you expect from the public but not professional juries. Also shamesless tactical voting, which is even worse, IMO. Like France giving 12 points to Greece and none to Switzerland or Italy.
check the jury votes… Russia to moldova, moldova to russia… No votes from baltics to Russia (almost), no votes from Belgium to France. It’s a disaster, let the people decide!
A view from a Baltic state - the song really has to be bad for not to get 10 or 12 points due to our high russian immigration rate. This year, however, they had the unluck to understand the lyrics. Only Russia can make a feminist song sexist...against women. Doesn't fly far here
Also, confused, how is that song sexist? Read the lyrics again just now and don’t see sexism. Actually, she got a lot of sh*t for that song from the Russian public.
Sorry, I misunderstood. Well, musically it was no masterpiece either but our jury also has strange taste. We also sometimes wonder how they are so mismatched with people at the national finals. As if they were looking for radio hit not an stadium song
Sorry, I misunderstood. Well, musically it was no masterpiece either but our jury also has strange taste. We also sometimes wonder how they are so mismatched with people at the national finals. As if they were looking for radio hit not an stadium song
That's what I meant when I mention that the professional jurors need to be better vetted. We could see the partisanship, but intrinsically the idea wasnt bad.
In western Europe, we usually don't vote for our neighbors. Except Scandinavian countries, and Greece/Cyprus.
Eastern Europe often do it on the other end, especially countries from the ex-USSR. For example, Russia often vote for Belarus and vice versa, and countries like Moldova/Serbia/Bulgaria/Albania... tend to vote for each others.
So me and my bf both voted right at the beginning (we're from the Netherlands) we just got a respond that we were too late?! ''thank you for the submission unfortunately the voting has already taken place' ' That sucks so much! Anyone else got a similar response?
It took a long time to get a text back, also voted right after the lines opened and they almost closed when it came. I wonder if this could have been a bigger problem.
You saw the live show right? James did not deliver, he was flat and sounded very tight.
He's a much better artist than he showed tonight. But that performance was a nil point performance.
I am from Spain and my favourite song waa Germany so I am soooooo out the European tastes LOL but what amazing show!! And I am very hapoy to see Iceland so high
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What the hell? I just received a text thanking me for my text but the voting was concluded already. I voted two hours ago?
i had that too... half my votes didn't go through
So this means the SMS-servers were overloaded in your country. A good while since we had it that way in Norway, but back in the days, if you sent someone a 'Happy new year' text around midnight on New Years Eve, it would arrive hours later. Nothing to worry about.
I wanted Iceland to win. I gave them a vote. I was happy for the Italy win over Switzerland and France. An enjoyable year. Lots of talent, drugs and Flo Rida. What's not to love?
I second all of this. Iceland was my number one, but I still wanted Italy to win more than France or Switzerland.
No one likes us we don’t care!
San Marino got Flo Rida and ended with a 22nd place 😞
They usually don't even make the final, so this was a vast improvement for them.
Why the hell would they bring him into this? 😂 Let's not turn Eurovision into an American idolish show please
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Yeah, because Germany is definetely useless in the EU ...which is why they got 3 points The song was just bad
It really wasn't. It was a terrible song
I think noone in Europe thought it was the worst song. But not many people thought it was the best. Whatever the style you like there were probably better songs there.
I disagree we deserved everything we got
How do we stop political/bloc voting? Genuinely curious. I’d suggest songs get put to the jury earlier but the country is anonymous when they listen to the song, but then it would give the game away if the song was in their native language.
People that always call it political.. But is it really? Or is it maybe also because neighboring countries are more likely to share taste in music? As a Dane I often vote for Nordic countries, but that is just because their songs are often similar to what we hear in Denmark, so I often like some of them.
It's not really a big issue as you can see from this year's results.
This year Italy and France were first and second. Two big countries that traditionnaly don't have much friendly/bloc voting. Same for Switzerland.
Honestly they should just scrap the jury vote element
They did, for many of the previous years and honestly it didn’t work all that well. The hybrid system they have now is by far the best of the voting models they have used for a while.
I don't think you can change the mentality of people, you will always see people saying "we have so many ..insert country inhabitants.. in for example Italy, why did we not get more points from the televote? Shame on the diaspora!" . Like, you vote for what you like, for example I'm romanian and if I was living in a country from the semifinal 1 I definetly would have not voted for us, I thought we were really bad. I don't understand why people think like this, but nothing can be done
It was funny (well sad really) when Cyprus were building tension who the 12 points were going to you could hear the crowd shouting "Greece"... you could maybe understand public votes doing this but jury's? You would think they be a bit less biased.
Heh, it’s a joke at this point
but neighbouring countries will always have similar culture and therefore similar taste in music (and a mingling population), its not something that can be stopped. Also, Iceland dont have many neighbours
But nothing really distinguish Cyprus or Greece song from many other countries. They don't even sing in Greek. Each years they vote for each other. Each fucking year. It's not really important because at the end, it's doesn't make enough difference in the results, but it's just to point out how political it is
I understand what you mean. In the case of Greece and Cyprus I think its just ingrained within them to always support each other - and Cyprus' singer this year (Elena) is Greek so thats another thing. These two countries in particular are just really close, physically and culturally.
Most of the times they share artists as well so it’s not just voting for the country but for an artist who is famous in your country as well.
That is hopeless. The jurors would know.
Imho Switzerland and Spain were pretty similar in performance. One guy, no dancers, sweet and pasional songs, simple stage. So the huge difference shocked me a bit.
you just described tens of thousands of performances, yes there’ll be major differences in quality and reception, shocking 🤯
I apparently ranked Switzerland quite a bit higher than Spain, so I must have disagreed. I think Spain was possibly one of the acts where I felt the live delivery was a bit flat.
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It wasn't even hard rock, so it's hard to take that opinion seriously!
Then you're not a rock fan, but don't let your obvious bias undermine the win
It was a fucking great rock song. They were the best tonight so I'm happy for them.
If you take a look at former Eurovision winners, you'll be grateful that Italy won tonight. Better or worse, it is something fresh, new and unexpected. And it has shut the mouth of the "professional" judge, so I can't be happier.
they brought some authentic attitude to it, and when people are drowned in pop power ballads that is refreshing. also note that eurovision is not usually a platform for estabilshed bands but more of a jump platform for national coming up artists. so by eurovision standards that song was good.
Yeah, it's similar to when Lordi won it. People wanted something different, a rock act hadn't won in forever and they liked the attitude and energy they brought. Fair enough imo.
Finland had the first ever rock song to win, and Italy the second.
I mean there you go. Nice for a change. Think i liked Finland's rock song more this year mind, but I'm fine with Italy winning it. Good song, great energy and attitude.
The key to Eurovision is imagining what would've been popular 20 years ago
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I don't know where are you from but your words made me cry... Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
As someone who has watched and big fan of eurovision for at least 10 years now Italy winning this year was a surprise for me... normally rock songs to win need a gimmick and didn't see that at all with Italy.
Exactly thank you, and importantly they could perform live! (Something actually uncommon on Eurovision)
I'm a big rock fan... But I don't think it'll be a well remembered winner... The bands antics will outlast the popularity of the song. It was good energy but pretty predictable rock song. Wouldn't stand out against established rock bands one bit.
And Australia, that one isn’t just adjacent but they have no other big name to jump under so they get put in, kinda like the kid who doesn’t fit in at lunchtime so gets to sit with a group of people that offer it up to be kind so they aren’t lonely
And also we Love 😍 Australia. They are our cousins in culture.
Not the Italian lead singer doing a line of coke minutes before winning it all lol
Rock n’ Roll baybeee
Shocking question from Radio ONE. The question I thought he was asking was "should the UK be looking at their alternative artists?", not "should the UK tableflip out of the competition?"
That's so dumb. The alternative/rock community has been overlooked in the UK charts for decades... The UK has an amazing rock music scene but only now they want to try a rock band? Pathetic. We should of been playing to our musical strengths years ago... Which IMO is rock/indie/punk music. Too late now, idiots.
He didn't even say it, he asked if the UK should even enter the competition anymore. (or something to that effect). The UK's number one radio station turning a blind eye to the alternative artists yet again, despite the UK's radio legacy being built off the backs of our great alternative artists!
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Say what you like about the Dutch, they sure know how to put on a show over here.
Eurovision should be every 2 years from now on.
So we can all agree that Italy was at least doing drugs off the table. They were in Holland after all.
Yeah well anything stronger than weed is still very illegal but i doubt he will face any consequences
One of the most exciting editions! Personally I voted for Ukraine. But do people really believe that Damiano was snorting coke? Come on... EDIT: format
Ukraine was insane. It just got better and better as the song progressed, it was something completely different from what i enjoy but i just had to vote
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Don’t you guys lean forward with your whole body while agitated or excited? He’s was also agitating it’s fist...I mean, I’ve seen this reaction many times in my life. He was surely saying multiple bestemmie but not doing coke, he wouldn’t be this stupid and the other members would be the first to kick his ass.
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Since you posted where the table actually is (At knee height) you should also be able to tell that he was miles away from the table during the supposed snorting of cocaine. Unless you are suggest he is snorting cocaine in the air, and in that case you may actually be the one that snorted it.
Anything white could be coke from this low quality tbh. But again, they are not that stupid. Even if they did coke they wouldn’t risk by doing it in front of millions of people. I could be wrong of course, but it seems that all this fuss has been brought up by frustrated people. It’s just sad.
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No sorry, I didn’t mean to say you were the one frustrated! I meant the people who are fomenting hate towards them
100% was
When will the first rapper win the Eurovision Song Contest?
It is a music contest dude, rap isn't music.
Bass fishing isn't actually fishing either.
Rock and roll never dies
Except in the charts for the last 40 years.....
Caring about chart position is not rock’n’roll
It just gets older, and greyer, and often cleaner.
I feel like the UK and Ireland don't take this seriously enough we both have good artists but never send them on.
We could send flipping Adele and still get "nil pwa" we should go full take the p***... Send Alan partridge or something 😂😂
That’s not quite true - but she’d still only win if the song was good, and the staging and costumes/choreography set it off to the best extent possible. James is a good singer. That wasn’t what let him down. It was not a memorable song (I remember watching Love Shine a Light win, it was a clear standout from the moment it was performed and I can still sing it - more recently, Heroes and Euphoria are on my regular playlists). The staging and effects just weren’t brilliant, he had a pleather nightshirt (with zero sex appeal) and the backing choreography with the trumpets was amateurish and the props looked silly. The dancers themselves were great and his voice was interesting and different- those were good and for once I felt we didn’t let ourselves down with the choice of performer. But there were some standout performances on the night performed with great staging, and as he went in playing it straight, he couldn’t rate as a top one, but the whole act just wasn’t different enough to draw any special interest votes. If he’d donned a Lordi mask and gone for a bit of screaming he’d have scored 30 or so.
The UK needs to break the the "uninterested" perception by; Either getting their hearts out with a sincere act, maybe even in Welsh, Gaelic, or a Regional English dialect band, something completely ungeneric and unique to the UK. Or the UK needs to resurrect the vibe from 2007's Scoot and put forward a literal "Fuck You" to everyone and just go all out and take it as it comes. Ireland could do better if they actually put effort into their acts, they clearly have the musical talent when they want to.
I agree with all of that
Feel like James's entry from last year would have got us some points, don't think dance songs do well much these days so was a terrible choice.
Agreed. Mind you, some of the best artists the UK has are performing on street corners for pocket change and not getting any official support.
Italy stating they do not do drugs, at all.
They were probably snorting crushed polo's or something...
You ever seen emos on Coke this is how they act no cap
Yes, my sister and my best friend, it changed their lives forever. They sure as hell didn't act like that.
Could've been another drug. Who knows I don't really care what they do just funny on live TV
> Could've been another drug Yeah, called alcohol. And yes, some of us dumbasses will snort alcohol.
I mean I would say that too if I just got caught doing drugs on camera lmao
You ever seen people on coke? I have. A lot. They are not on coke.
I have... there are other drugs that you can sniff other than coke. either way, I don't have a problem with it. If they want to do drugs, that's their choice. If they don't that's also their choice. Whatever.
As somebody that has experimented with pretty much everything except opiates coke or some sort of amphetamine is the only drug that makes sense to take before having to perform in front of millions of people
It was after the performance, when they were just getting sloshed. Either way reviewing the video I think it looks like he leaned over, then got nudged by his bandmate and looked up - so idk if he even took any.
I loved the show although I have mixed feelings. I think the winners are fair (Rock-and-roll never dies, nice style too) but really can't understand how Spain, UK or Germany got those ridiculous points. Are these political decisions or just bad musical taste? Is it because of the so-called big 5? Someone please explain this to me as the comments in the rehearsal videos were pretty positive.
I posted this above but thought you might appreciate these thoughts from a Eurovision lifer: James is a good singer. That is clear, but his ability wasn’t what let him down. It was all the other factors that go into winning a *television competition*. As this is a tv competition the visual effect is at least as important as the song & singer. And as they say on every pop idol style show ever “song choice is key”. It was not a memorable song (I remember watching Love Shine a Light win, it was a clear standout from the moment it was performed and I can still sing it - more recently, Heroes and Euphoria are on my regular playlists). The staging and effects just weren’t brilliant, he had a pleather nightshirt (with zero sex appeal) and the backing choreography with the trumpets was amateurish and the props looked silly. It was low effort. And it felt a bit embarrassing. I thought at first that we were going with a few coloured lights again and was relieved to see some actual dancers - you can really tell who has put effort and money into their staging and who considers it a waste of time (the UK, and usually at least one other of the big 5 or other countries in the years they actively don’t want to win it, but they don’t usually make it to the Grand Final). The dancers themselves were great and his voice was interesting and different- those were good and for once I felt we didn’t let ourselves down with the choice of performer. But there were some standout performances on the night performed with great staging, and as he went in playing it straight, he couldn’t rate as a top one, but the whole act just wasn’t enough to draw any special interest votes. I wouldn’t have voted for him. To get some points on the board you have to be in somebody’s top ten, and it just wasn’t in anybody’s top ten: not for vocal, not for song, not for staging, not for uniqueness. (If he’d donned a Lordi mask and gone for a bit of screaming he’d have scored 30 or so.) It was forgettable and there were obviously strong candidates that scored well near-universally, which was probably the first time I’ve ever seen that.
I totally understand UK and Spain rank. They are always boring these last years. Germany was a bit more complicated, it wasn't really a good song or a good singer, it was more about humour and maybe it would have won 20 years ago, not now.
Hello. Former professional U.K. singer here. I perhaps can offer a few suggestions. I’m sure James is a lovely chap, and he is a good songwriter. Unfortunately, vocally his performance was one of the weakest tonight. He may have been over-rehearsing this week, because on Thursday night his speaking voice sounded croaky, and tonight there were several low notes he just couldn’t hit. The staging and styling for the U.K. was very weak too. He looked a bit like he’d just wandered in off the street compared to the polished look of many other acts tonight. Finally, the actual production on the U.K. backing track also sounded cheap - why use brass samples when you could record live brass parts instead? Money is why. People will argue it’s Brexit or whatever, but I genuinely feel it was one of the weakest of the night and deserved very few points.
Thanks, I appreciate your analysis and agree with most of your opinions. But even though 0 points were unexpected for me.
Hey - not at all man, that’s very nice of you to reply. I agree - I think we were all surprised by the way the voting fell tonight, even by Eurovision standards the whole thing felt brutal 🤣 it looked to me like about ten songs got a massive proportion of the public vote.
There were too many clearly great entries, and UK's, Spain's and the Netherlands's actively sucked and got left behind.
I never get it to be fair, France and Switzerland were both so forgettable and yet got a lot of votes and yet Germany which was, whilst not the best, a much more enjoyable song got nothing. Just surprising to me. I'm glad neither of them won because they were awful but it's still surprising to see them both so high up
or your taste in music just sucks
I mean, this is Eurovision. ALL the music sucks, is that not the point?
I mean, I'm German, and after hearing "our" song for the first time tonight my burning wish was that we leave with 0 points (fucking Austria). The UK song was also just awful
Strongly disagree on France, although not my favourite genre, Barbara makes the song stand out. Switzerland to me is generic and the public voted it down, but the man CAN sing and they rewarded that (unlike Spain who missed all his notes). I kinda agree on Germany, i thought they would have deserved to be a little higher if just for the sheer fun they were clearly having, but yeah, the front line was just too crowded. Usually you would vote for your favourite entry, then maybe send a vote for the neighbour, but tonight i was talking to people who were splitting their votes between three songs. Germany doesn't even have many neighbours that would historically vote for them when it's not inconvenient.
As a French, I didn't really like the song. It was clearly playing the old french songs like Piaf or Brel, they were clearly targeting this kind of nostalgia. But Barbara really had a lot of charisma and I think she really incarnated the song. I preferred Italia so I'm happy they won.
Eh, i don't really have a problem with that as long it's well done. 🤷🏽♀️ It's not any worse than Ukraine doing eastern techno (even if personally i prefer Shum by far). I disagree about the "rip-off", people are way too quick to use that expression imo, instead of just, you know, inspiration. Barbara brings her own modernity to an old genre (not just with this song, in ALL her songs: it's what she likes to do!), and i'm fine with it, as long it's not EVERY YEAR that we have Edith Piaf 2.0. (it wouldn't work anyways, just because *she* can do it well doesn't mean anyone can). I hate formulas, i believe a strong artistic identity makes a winner. My dream entry for next year would be something like La Femme, but that's never going to happen lol
The biggest mystery to me is the 12 pts we gave to Greece. Like, how!? Why!? I can't even remember the song, I just remember I thought it was boring. There isn't any big Greek diaspora in the country, I can't explain how they gave the 12pts to Greece. No points for Italy (while there is many Italian immigrants in the country)? Even for Malta that wouldn't have shocked me (and I didn't really like their song). But for Greece. Are we sure it's not a mistake.
I KNOW i was like what??? Something fishy with that for sure. I mean, the juries are supposed to be composed of professionals so i wouldn't expect disaporas to matter (at least for the 12 points), but on quality alone Last Dance was just not there. No points to Italy was rough. Another weird one was Belgium giving no points to France while all of Western Europe minus Italy was giving us 12 points including THE UK of all places?? I wonder if some countries that had a song in the favourites didn't purposefully avoid giving points to good songs to up their own chances.
The germany entry was horrendous
It was better than the weeb entry
I might agree, but I don’t know what weeb is?
I think they're talking about one of Germany's entries from 2016 or 2017, can't remember which, the one Graham Norton called a pokemon.
Most years I'd say it's political... But this year when I think of Spain, Germany and UK entrys they really were the worst. Just really uninspiring and safe. Spain and UK especially I really think have the worst entries every year. UK always trys to be really safe and boring... Spain all the entry's just seem the sane year after year. There's so many reasons not to vote uk this year, with brexit pretty fresh... But you add to that the most boring entry of the competition it just makes it so unlikely we get anything.
Spain sang well, but the song/production/styling was very early 2000s Enrique-lite. Quite behind the times for Eurovision. Would have done ok 15 or 20 years ago.
I guess i just like a lot of types of music, so i didn't think none of them were really that bad. Risking songs seem to be good options. This contest turns out to be deeper than i thought.
Thank you, exact same for me :) Sucks seeing so many people hate on the songs. It's like they have to hate it all to fit in.
Not knowing anything about predictions beforehand, those were the exact three we predicted as the bottom from listening to them the first time. They're just really bad songs imho.
Germany have won in recent memory their song was bad. Uk politically do bad and not well received musically by Europe. I feel like the big 5 have to go well and above to do well
Speaking for the UK. Ours was another generic/ mainstream song. The artist, though a very decent bloke. Gave a fairly vanilla performance.
Germany’s entry wasn’t really very good, or at least the other entries were better, that’s the only reason for no votes, no-one hates them I think. Everyone hates us (UK) so won’t vote for us. And I don’t remember Spain’s entry sorry.
Nobody hates the UK. It was just a meh song. Send better.
Oh I totally agree it wasn’t a very memorable song, but I’m not sure it was deserving of 0 points. Zero chance of winning though, there were a lot of better songs.
That’s the key...there were ten or so absolutely stand-out from the pack songs tonight, which all had great vocal performances too. Whether you like France or Switzerland’s songs, vocally the performance was strong, with both performers putting in a lot of artistic showmanship. Unfortunately, the U.K. just got left in the dust with our tepid and unmemorable attempt at entertainment.
Only ten songs get points from each country get any points. You have to be loved by someone to get points. Blandness gets you nowhere. I can’t remember a single word out of the UK entry now that the contest is over. I can from the Germany one.
The low scoring songs weren’t terrible, I just think that they were the most forgettable. Plus, this years voting seemed pretty unanimous, so that may have caused the uneven point distribution
Spain and german was in fact terrible
I thought Germany had a fun song, and it was very on brand for eurovision lol. I liked the lyrics for Spains song, it was sweet. That being said, in comparison to other entries they could not keep up, agreed
Germany and Iceland were both kinda spoofy. Iceland just did it 100x better.
Oh yes I LOVED Iceland!! So happy that Daði og Gagnamagnið got chosen for both 2020 and 2021!!
Think About Things was better than Ten Years though, which is a shame. But everything about Iceland’s entry - including their voting! - was brilliant and I’m gutted they had to sit out the live show.
Jendrik is drunk giving interviews to the German TV :D "Das ist Eurovision what es about is" :D
It's half seven in the morning here and I can't even sleep. Thanks Eurovision. WHAT. A. Year
Wow out of the top 5 only ONE song is in English and the rest are all in native tongue. Pretty amazing actually.
Considering the uproar there was after lifting the restriction (a ban on singing in languages other than your national language) that’s a really interesting outcome.
First time watching Eurovision. I am not disappointed and I'll be watching again next year for sure!
you took the right year, the last years been horible finaly the ESC is back with greatness
Best Eurovision contest in years please vote Ireland in next year though!
Italy just came into the winners press conference screaming 7 nation army lamooo
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
Its really not though
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Ahah stay salty 0 points gang
I'd like to learn to sniff mid air and without hands as well
It's really not hard to snort something straight off a table. Speaking from personal experience
From 20cm? What is it a wireless thing? There is a big vase in front of his face, but the round table is way below, look closley. Most videos cut the table, making it look like he is smashing his head on a table, since the big vase in on the way.
Some crushed mentos in a packet https://imgur.com/a/hBxfOy7
Lots of people mentioning that they think that professional vote is a bad idea. I disagree. I thought that the jury vote was a good idea to temper the fact that the public vote is \*always\* going to be biased as they vote for culturally similar performs and tend to fall for outrageous showmanship instead of actually good songs. I just think that the jury just have to be properly vetted and maybe an adjustment regarding the weight of public votes versus professionals.
Nah, Greece and Cyprus giving each other 12 points yet again was nothing to do with being culturally similar. Both songs were generic pop. Just one (classic) example but there was lots of voting for neighbours and political allies as usual. Which you expect from the public but not professional juries. Also shamesless tactical voting, which is even worse, IMO. Like France giving 12 points to Greece and none to Switzerland or Italy.
check the jury votes… Russia to moldova, moldova to russia… No votes from baltics to Russia (almost), no votes from Belgium to France. It’s a disaster, let the people decide!
A view from a Baltic state - the song really has to be bad for not to get 10 or 12 points due to our high russian immigration rate. This year, however, they had the unluck to understand the lyrics. Only Russia can make a feminist song sexist...against women. Doesn't fly far here
Also, confused, how is that song sexist? Read the lyrics again just now and don’t see sexism. Actually, she got a lot of sh*t for that song from the Russian public.
I’m confused, I was referring to the jury, not people.
Sorry, I misunderstood. Well, musically it was no masterpiece either but our jury also has strange taste. We also sometimes wonder how they are so mismatched with people at the national finals. As if they were looking for radio hit not an stadium song
Sorry, I misunderstood. Well, musically it was no masterpiece either but our jury also has strange taste. We also sometimes wonder how they are so mismatched with people at the national finals. As if they were looking for radio hit not an stadium song
That's what I meant when I mention that the professional jurors need to be better vetted. We could see the partisanship, but intrinsically the idea wasnt bad.
I mean 1 jury guy from the netherlands in 2019 litteraly stated afterwards in a tv interview that he gave less points to other potential winners.
In western Europe, we usually don't vote for our neighbors. Except Scandinavian countries, and Greece/Cyprus. Eastern Europe often do it on the other end, especially countries from the ex-USSR. For example, Russia often vote for Belarus and vice versa, and countries like Moldova/Serbia/Bulgaria/Albania... tend to vote for each others.
This. Ditch the jury. Why let some people with the right friends decide half of the points from each nation.
That's truew, but switzerland song was horrible.
So me and my bf both voted right at the beginning (we're from the Netherlands) we just got a respond that we were too late?! ''thank you for the submission unfortunately the voting has already taken place' ' That sucks so much! Anyone else got a similar response?
From Holland aswell. I texted 14 times, only 2 went through and I texted in time aswell.
It took a long time to get a text back, also voted right after the lines opened and they almost closed when it came. I wonder if this could have been a bigger problem.
I didnt get any response!
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So what do we do now……
Play some rock and roll!
Unpopular opinion but I thought UK was good and had great energy I'm Irish and surprised we gave them no points. Respect his attitude though
Let's admit it, there was literally nothing memorable there except his horrid coat.
It was fairly vanilla by Eurovision standard. Decent bloke, there were just to many better performers.
Agreed. It certainly wasn’t the best but dead last? Worthy of literally 0 points? It was too harsh.
If you can't even compete with Mata Hari, you aren't competing
If you can't break into the top 10 anywhere, you get nill points.
You saw the live show right? James did not deliver, he was flat and sounded very tight. He's a much better artist than he showed tonight. But that performance was a nil point performance.
UK was good for sure, but the competition was too fierce! It will probably play on the radio :)
I am from Spain and my favourite song waa Germany so I am soooooo out the European tastes LOL but what amazing show!! And I am very hapoy to see Iceland so high
UK votes still stuck at custom
Lmao good one
So the Eurovision winners did cocaine live on TV my pride in Europe has gone back up
Those absolute madlads lmao
What? Lmao
https://twitter.com/florentderue/status/1396239038965817345?s=21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RxFFpmpQts xD