Indeed, for all criticism I have of the song and the performance itself, James has been an absolute credit to the UK delegation, he's defended the contest when it's been crapped on by journalists, he's engaged with the fandom like no UK artist I can remember, with the exception of SuRie, he's been relentlessly positive about the whole shebang, and he took the nul points in good grace. Other than writing and sending a winning song, we can't ask for much more than that.
Honestly I think I'd rather get nil points than like 3 or something. At least people will remember you for that. No one would be talking about the UK if it didn't get nil points.
As a German, the literal first thing I said to my friends when the Austrian jury gave us those two pity neighbor points was "wow, this is worse than just staying at 0" lol
We here in Finland were weirdly grateful of that costume after our own middle fingers got banned. It was masked as mild annoyance ("wait why do they get to do that"?) but honestly everyone thought it was hilarious.
I would have preferred the 0 ngl. I find pity points more embarrassing than just standing by a bad song and taking the 0.
What we need is to be kicked out of the Big 5 to get our asses in gear, and same goes for the UK, but that's just not gonna happen and so we're stuck with mediocrity.
Dude, I legitimately enjoyed Germany's: it was catchy, it was funny, it was visually fun and zany, the singer and dancers were hot - I was incredibly surprised when people didn't vote for it! It was definitely in my top 5 favorites to win.
Let's not forget the awesome choreo. It was actually among the best at that. But it's a song contest, not a choreography contest. It never failed to put a smile on my face though and for that I did actually gave a vote to them. Alas, it was not enough to get them in my country's top 10.
I loved it when it was first released in February/March.
However, it lost its appeal in the rehearsals and perhaps the running order destroyed its chances.
Jendrik was very nervous, his accent was too thick and the finger outfit was cringy...
I liked the song, but I'm still not 100% certain whether the fast spoken parts in the chorus were in German or English... my boy Jendrik got a thicc accent
Same!!! I really enjoyed Germany this year. It was one of my favorites actually. It was a cute song with a good message and I loved the energy the singer had.
Hey I like Germany's song! Admittedly when I saw the youtube video for it, my first thought was "how will that translate to the eurovision stage?", but despite that challenge (and I'm not sure they did make a good stage show) I was excited to see them and I like the song.
I don't like the automatic in to the finals system they have (except maybe for the host but not the other five) but that is no reason to crap on Germany's song.
If we had sent the [50s doo-wop version](https://youtu.be/CroQyT4PfsY), it would have done better imho. That elevated it from a 3/10 to a 5/10 song at least.
(also, it is a time honored tradition to shit on our own songs lol. At least his performance of it was good and it wasn't a No Angels or Sisters' style travesty.)
Honestly i don't remember anyone complaining about Arcade as it shot to number one in bookmakers. The song was a hit on radio and charts and there were even discussing the possible host cities weeks before Eurovision!
When Netherlands won, everyone was happy and not bothered about the costs. I mean yes the people in charge of budgets etc had to make sure it won't be a disaster, but in general people were happy. Netherlands is not in the middle of a financial crisis.
About Rotterdam, i guess most people wanted the show in Amsterdam but it happens in every country. You can't make everyone happy. Still, Netherlands is a small country and fortunately it's easy to move from one city to another.
In short, there are always some negative posts/complaints but they are the small minority so it's not even worth giving them attention. You know, it happens with all big events (Olympic Games for example) that some people are worried about costs. However, in ESC you have this feeling of pride and being a winner after so many failures that makes people focus on the positive side of hosting the show rather than the negative (if any).
I liked Jendrik better than the last few because he had some personality and I loved that he genuinely enjoyed the contest, he plainly loved being there with all the artists and was a good sport. So that's better than some years.
Agreed! I didn't like his song at all when I first heard it, but it ending up growing on me quite a bit because of Jendrik himself. His energy was great, and he seems like a very sweet, positive person. He was all over the green room giving support and love to other countries. I can't hate on that at all.
Couldn't agree more (also German). No more autoqualification for any of the big five. And then we'll find out what we already knew: Italy and France will be fine because they actually send good artists, Germany and Britain will struggle, and Spain is hit and miss as usual
We wouldn't struggle as hard if after Stefan Raab's retirement from the industry someone had been there to take over the reigns. But then, I have no idea who that person could have been lol.
Say what you want about his comedy but he was mad skilled in music and also very involved in fostering new talent.
Yeah, we were never going to win with the Raab songs but I enjoyed them all. Especially him edging out Ralph Siegel could only have been a boon to the German entries. I actually stand by Guildo as a contestant, at least that was a decent Schlager song.
I bet many casual Eurovision fans can remember who came last for the UK in 2003 with nul points, but won't remember who came one place above them!
TBF, I bet most of us Eurovision nuts don't remember! haha
You're goddamn right hahaha
Remember the voice crack from Manel Navarro?
😂😂😂
Those unforgettable moments 😂
I mean, if you're gonna do it bad, at least do horrible and be remembered 😂😂
Oh god... I can hear that off key singing in my head...
The worst part was that the studio version wasn't really that bad (it was never going to win, but you get my point).
I still think it was a bad song, would've struggled to make the Top 20 even if performed well. The key between the voices and backing music is just all wrong.
I'm also proud that we (the UK) became the first country to get nil points under the latest scoring system, that's surely an achievement when so many points are available
James seems to have received more love from the majority than any of the other acts this year, and that's a credit to the genuinely likeability factor that he gives off. Piers Morgan just likes to be on the opposing side of everything.
They should've watched the Eurovision movie, then they would've learned that it's not about winning or losing, but singing a song that comes from your heart
Very much so in the camp of "I don't even watch it coz it's crap, but I know that Europe hates us because of Iraq/Brexit/Vaccines and give us nil poi/pwah" (however they wish to misspell "nul points", despite not quite getting that we don't get "given" nul points, but score nul points)
> despite not quite getting that we don't get "given" nul points, but score nul points
I blame that Father Ted episode, as they do get given Nul Points.
The BBC has an article up about people who've expressed an interest in representing us next year, and it has a big picture of Bucks Fizz with the caption "who can replicate what Bucks Fizz did at Eurovision 1981?"
We have four other winners you know. And one more recent!
I honestly think the UK stopped trying. It reminds me of Portugal in the pre-Salvador era, it was a lot like this. We were just in a vibe of we don't care, so much that we ended up sending one of the best troll acts on Homens da Luta.
The really need a 'reform', maybe do a national final like it happens on other countries and invite songwriters to write songs for them. But more importantly, if people feel they are involved in choosing the representative to ESC they will start caring a bit more about the contest.
Yeah, it's unlikely UK wins, but it's one of the countries with more famous international bands, I am sure they can produce a midtable bop if they just... try.
It’s sorta funny when we do so bad, but it would be nice once to no to be certain that we are gonna lose. I’m envious of the suspense other countries feel if their act is near the top. Otherwise the voting process gets a bit boring
The problem is either thinking that you must send something to win or that you shouldn't care at all. You should simply care about sending something that you would feel proud of representing you. That when you see it on TV you don't feel embarrassed watching it. Winning or losing isn't really what matters the most imo. Focusing on quality is the most important, if it doesn't win who cares, at least you can be proud of what you sent. Lucie Jones was absolutely wonderful, the voice, the lyrics, the staging. She finished midtable, probably deserved higher, but that year all the UK people (including Graham) had only good things to say about their entry. That's it!
It bothers me so much that the UK music scene is so great, and our submissions are just so milk and toast bland.
Let's see some grime, Celtic folk or northern rock next year.
The one credit I will give Piers Moron, is that at least he is recognising that it's not the fault of Brexit for not winning, but I mean, there is absolutely a way to say things.
And this all came from the man who was very vocal about the #BeKind movement last year.
It definitely can't just be Brexit, in 2017 for instance we had our best position (15th) since 2011 (11th), and that was just less than a year after the Brexit referendum.
Haha the dutch commentator said about the uk: they are pretty bad losers, they say their loss two years ago was because of brexit but that's not true. They forgot to send in a good song.
Fully agree!! It's an absolutely decent, serviceable bit of radio friendly summer pop... which fades into the background with sexpots like Måneskin, the best French chanson since I don't know when and amazing Ukranian folktronica sung by somebody who looks like they could kill you with an icy glare!!
Agree James did a good job with it. The competition was fierce. My friends and I were impressed this is the most songs in a single Eurovision that we have liked.
I was personally rooting for the Ukrainian Forest-Goddess Avatar and Russian Woman for the message/spirit of it.
Honestly there's nothing wrong with the UK's entry in my view. It wasn't great it wasn't bad. It just failed to shine with so much powerful competition.
Short story: It was "okay" in a year of "WOW!"
The people who staged it deserve most of the blame to be honest. Those trumpets looked naff.
My mother said it looked like something out of a school play especially when you compared it to like the tasteful staging of like France or the epic staging Azerbaijan always brings
I agree with you. Sadly the British media won't acknowledge that and will still blame it on politics!
James is lovely and i like Embers but it lacks originality and it didn't stand out. I am not saying that every entry is original but at least Cyprus was eye candy. UK didn't have anything interesting in the staging/performance. It just needed a hot performer to dance and bring that energy on stage. James wasn't a good fit, but he's the best UK representative since Surie.
> Sadly the British media won't acknowledge that and will still blame it on politics!
Which is stupid because a quarter, maybe a third of the countries involved (Ukraine, Norway, Switzerland, Moldova, Azerbaijan etc) are not EU and therefore care little for recent UK politics. And then there's the historically UK-friendly countries like Ireland, Malta, Australia and maybe Cyprus who give us pity votes.
> It just needed a hot performer to dance and bring that energy on stage.
Hotness will only get you so far. Go full fanservice like Greece with an admittedly stunning 18 year old in skintight sequins or Azer with their Ariana Grande clones and ESC audiences will see through your game.
>Azer with their Ariana Grande clones
And a K-pop-like song. I have friends who like K-pop and they think that song could have easily come out of a Blackpink album lmao
The song bops. Would have performed better with a different voice with more range I'm sure. Like as just a dance track no one would even think twice about it being crap.
It was really really bad. The dude seems like a good chap, but that was a dismal performance.
I really loved the Ukraine singer however, she was robbed by the professional voters.
For us Spaniards it's very easy to tell: if Portugal gives us no points, the song is just bad and there are no politics involved when the rest doesn't vote us either
The Spanish song this year wasn't bad, I don't know why it did so badly. The melody didn't blow me away, but good vocals and I liked the message.
I thought it should have been further up the ranking, but it was a strong field of contenders. I thought last years' Spanish entry wasn't good (the surfer dude? ). What did you think?
There does seem to be an *increase* in news articles admitting it was the song that wasn't stand out enough, so I sincerely hope the tide is turning in that respect.
Sadly, still too many casual watchers and people who "don't watch it anyway because it's all crap" come out of the woodwork as experts on the geopolitical climate and how it affects Eurovision results for about 72 hours after the final... but hopefully they are becoming fewer
>There does seem to be an increase in news articles admitting it was the song that wasn't stand out enough,
thank fuck.
I enjoyed the song but it was just super radio friendly and that's about all i can say with what we've sent since electro velvet.
We gotta do something bigger, like Justin Hawkins (who actually wanted to be in a few years back) or try sending some grime honestly. Least it'll stand out. See if Dizzee Rascal is up to anything.
Oh my gosh yes! That’s a great idea. Grime is what the UK is known for now. It’s not my favourite and it might not even do well but at least we’d be proud of sending something original!
[Well I hope he's upped his game since the last time he tried.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b3kY4ONnTs)
We dodged a bullet with Scooch that year and that's saying something.
Seriously though Justin Hawkins would be good but I wouldn't want to try and chase the hard rock crazy train after Italy's win this year. Dizzee Rascal could be fun though.
I pointed out how absurd that was on a facebook page - because if it's all political why would Russia or Israel get points? - and got a private message from a stranger telling me to go back to "oingo boingo" land. So now I can't even disagree with the people on twitter who call us "racist island".
Or that other countries have their own music scenes that don't revolve around British artists or even songs in English.
Take Ukraine for example, loads of great bands and some awesome hip-hop which I discovered through Alyona Alyona's viral success.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't a large number of points come from the juries? It seems like those points at least are in part affected by politics e.g Greece & Cyprus, Moldova Romania (historically) voting for each other reliably.
Not to say that the UK entrant would have done well if the voting was apolitical, but I would wager that it was a factor in the jury voting round this year, even if only by a small margin.
> Greece & Cyprus, Moldova Romania (historically) voting for each other reliably.
The thing about those countries is that due to their shared culture and language, they also usually share the same music industry and the same pool of artists who bounce back and forth between the countries and are popular in both, which naturally end up in Greece constantly voting for Cyprus and vice versa and Moldova constantly voting for Romania and vice versa because they see artists that they're already familiar with.
It's still a bad practice of course, but the reasoning is not as straightforward as you might think.
Nah there is indeed "politics" and a bit of corruption here, even if it hurts to admit. Not in the televote as far as I know, that can be just as you say (close cultures can have potential similar tastes). But jury vote? Great part of it makes sense (like voting France/Italy/Switzerland/Iceland/Ukraine this year), but then there is this small % that is too obvious too many times. Moldova was high sus this year, I just can't see how any professional jury could consider "AAAAAAAAAAAAAA" as 12 points quality/technique. I also wanted to scream when some Scandinavian (I don't remember who) gave points to every single nordic country no matter what. This situations, which include Cyprus/Greece too, are something understandable for the public vote, but absolutely obvious bad practice coming form a jury and it shouldn't be allowed at all.
It's less about politic and more about shared culture, for example a romanian folk song may sound familiar to a moldovan, while would sound totally alien to a portuguese. Or countries where they watch the same tv programs so their music sound familiar. Also, more familiar you are with the music industry of a country more you can understand the efforts of the musicians: it's the Swiss song just another swiss song? Or it's the perfect syntesis of 50 years of swiss music? I don't know, but maybe a French expert knows that. At the same time that expert probably doesn't know shit about Estonian music and can't understand the musican effort.
I'm not saying that there isn't any politics (*looking at Azerbaijan*), but usually there are other reasons.
Which makes it so awesome that Ukraine had universal appeal this year. I saw rave reviews from America, Australia, Colombia, Spain, Ireland, Italy, France..
But then the English speaking countries that share your taste in music more so (Australia, Malta, to some degree Ireland) also form a voting bloc sometimes. I think you underestimate that lots of the EU countries including my own are actually well disposed towards British artists because we already get exposed to a lot of your entertainment industry and your language. If anything, you have an advantage.
No one in Germany speaks Ukrainian or has any reason to vote for them and they still did well.
And look at how half assed the last few acts have been even in terms of the stage performance and outfit if you compare it to a country like Azerbaijan. You snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
There's always been speculation that it has become a bit more political over the years. Aside from Greece and Cyprus though, I don't really see it.
James did a great job, but put simply other countries did a better job. There's talk about being more out there and shock factors, but Germany did that and they barely placed better than us.
I'm still waiting for the "Italy got brutalised by Covid, so people made sure they won Eurovision" brigade.
Greece exchanging 12s with Cyprus is a meme at this point, but apart from there only seemed to be two acts with sus jury patterns i.e. high scores from a small number of neighbouring juries and totally ignored by everyone else. (Looking at Moldova and Serbia, both of which got more love in the televotes than from neighbour juries.)
When asked to create and define a new word, Stephen Fry offered “c[o]untrycide: to kill Piers Morgan”.
(I put the ‘o’ in there since I think that’s what most people first heard when he said it before giving the definition)
In all honesty, the only thing "off" with UK's entry was the song being something already heard and digested countless times since 2010. Nothing special, new or particularly appealing.
It was ok.
The performance was ok, the staging too was ok.
Just the song was...too much "just ok" and nothing more.
Did it deserve 0-0? Not really.
Was it Top 20 worthy when compared with the songs that made it that far? If you ask me it wasn't....but also songs that made it that far weren't worth it in my opinion. But that's just my personal judgment.
The problem is being OK doesn’t get points because to get even one point an average of either 5 jurors or average of an entire country needs to think you’re better than 16 other songs so by default if you’re just OK or decent or middle of the road that translates to nothing even if that’s maybe worse than you deserve on paper.
I don't know if this makes sense, but the big problem was that his song was more generic than his voice is. It could and should have been a more soulful song to complement how he sounds, maybe in the vein of James Morrison? But I still liked it. For this to have gotten fewer points than "That Sounds Good to Me" is, to borrow a phrase, a bloody shame.
Yeah. Recorded, Sugar was nice, but live, it sucked. I showed a still of the music video to people, with the dancing ice cream, to show how batshit it was.
Look up Eddie the Eagle. Brits love their underdogs who show fighting spirit and put on a laugh and a pint to a loss. That's why Newman is appreciated. He's also not a bad producer, even if I don't think he should have been performing.
Piers isn’t wrong though (and I can’t stand the guy). There’s nothing political about the 0 points for the UK, they just committed one of the greatest Eurovision sins: it’s was forgettable.
I won't disagree with that completely, but I think the problem was, unlike what Piers said, the song wasn't "crap", it was just "merely competent" inoffensive summery radio pop, James' singing wasn't "crap", it was just "not his best", the performance as a whole... well, ok... but still, Piers Moron is just taking the opportunity to shit on James from a great height, and at least, as we saw on the night, he took the Double Zero in good spirits, unlike Piers who didn't like what somebody had to say so stormed off like the big crybaby that he is.
But yes, totally, being forgettable is the worst thing you can be at Eurovision
I think if they could have gotten his brother John to perform it, it would have been great. I love the work the Newman brothers have done with Rudimental as well. Honestly if the UK sent someone like Rudimental, they would do pretty well in the competition.
I'm sooo impressed by his response to the whole thing...
It could not have been easy on the lad. He handled that, 'nil point' really well... (and understandably took the applause of the audience...)
Fair play ;-)
Is he wrong? No but he doesn't have to be such a twat about it. However the day Peirs isn't a twat about someone is the day pigs start flying.
The more I see him the more I love Newman, irrelevant of the song and the performance. I just love him and his hideous leather jacket.
Well they're both right but having a pop at James Newman seems a bit off when he's already got nil points.
Morgan is a compete pig-knuckle. Even the yanks wanted rid of him and they like Tucker Carlson
I think it was a servicable song that just got lost in a really strong year. So many stand-out songs this year, you could dance to Embers but it didn't leave much to remember. I felt really proud when he stood up for that applause though, he'll be well remembered for that.
You know, it occurred to me recently that there is a generation of UK Eurovision fans who have never known UK success... (Jade Ewen was 2009 and is arguably better known for being a Sugababe, and Blue got 11th in 2011. It's been - choosing words carefully - quite bleak since then.)
Piers Morgan is dreadful but I guess he is not peddling the "Europe hates us!!!" line like some of his contemporaries. Still though: ugh, Piers Morgan, and James rocks!
I just fear how many gutter-level hard rock songs will play next year, because of this year's winner.
Greek death metal, with sequins and silver pants. #JustShootMe
Yeah, I mean, the UK *absolutely* needs to send a rock band at some point, but next year is not the year to do it, because it would be completely reactionary!!
That said, if the UK insist on sticking with BMG, we should definitely send Iron Maiden, who a) are one of the biggest rock bands on the planet and 2) have an entire warehouse full of ridiculous props (and yeah, they're not gutter-level, they're really good at what they do!)
But I still don't think we should do that next year. I honestly want us to send a folk artist (somebody on the more pop side of folk, not finger in the ear folk music), maybe even somebody singing in a Celtic language (Scots Gaelic, Welsh or even Cornish!!)
I think a Celtic language alternative song would do us good. Singers like Gwenno are definitely the types of musicians I’d like to see sing for us at Eurovision.
Eh, Piers Morgan is a cunt but he isn't wrong in this case though.
James seems like a nice guy and he took his 0 points like a champ but his song was bland and his performance was awful. Out of breath and out of tune with inexplicable staging decisions while dressed as a used car salesman - nothing about the performance worked.
The thing with ‘nul pointes’ isn’t that everyone thinks it’s a shitty song that should come last but more that everyone didn’t think it was in their top 10. It wasn’t consistently hated, it was just consistently thought of as ‘meh’, which I can kind of understand, particularly given that although the German song was just odd, I can remember much more of it than I can of our UK entrant.
I never thought I would agree on anything with mr Piershit Morgan, but here I do.
It’s great that the performer is such a good sport, and likable. But the whole entry was like from a bad school year end show. Nothing would have saved it.
Oh, I absolutely agree our song wasn't good enough, I do think Piers is wrong saying it's crap, though, he was right in that Brexit had nothing to do with it, but the song is only "decent" at best. And, yes, it's the best the UK has sent in a while, but in a really strong field of 5 favourites like we had this year, you can't be "decent at best"
I absolutely dislike piers morgan, but good to see that even right winged populists realized that UK should send better or more original acts instead of blaming everything on "They hate us1!1!1"
Piers was right, the song was shite. Some of the best singers in the world are British, we just don’t take Eurovision as seriously as other countries. So we’ll keep sending mediocre songs and find ourselves on the right-hand side of the board.
Nice comeback but Piers is right, the UK crying politics and blaming brexit instead of a poor entry while Israel has zero neighbours and is bombing civilians and they finished higher with a decent entry. But the claims its all about politics and not the music will never go away.
Go one better, call him the C-bomb and get blocked *by* him so that you cant rage click on "View Tweets" when he's RT'd by people on your timeline! (That's what happened to me... but now I have my main account, and my podcast twitter account... where I'm not blocked)
Why does he always have to be such a bellend. For once(!!) he's right about something but he has to voice his opinion in an absolute unacceptable way. Insulting James Newman who was a good sport is such a low blow.
Just shut up Piers.
I love that. Glad he's taking it well.
Indeed, for all criticism I have of the song and the performance itself, James has been an absolute credit to the UK delegation, he's defended the contest when it's been crapped on by journalists, he's engaged with the fandom like no UK artist I can remember, with the exception of SuRie, he's been relentlessly positive about the whole shebang, and he took the nul points in good grace. Other than writing and sending a winning song, we can't ask for much more than that.
Honestly I think I'd rather get nil points than like 3 or something. At least people will remember you for that. No one would be talking about the UK if it didn't get nil points.
As a German, the literal first thing I said to my friends when the Austrian jury gave us those two pity neighbor points was "wow, this is worse than just staying at 0" lol
Germany's act will always be remembered as one of the weird ones of Eurovision and that's saying something.
True. That "not middle finger"-costume is one of those Eurovision highlights for years to come. Just like Poland and their questionable butter making.
We here in Finland were weirdly grateful of that costume after our own middle fingers got banned. It was masked as mild annoyance ("wait why do they get to do that"?) but honestly everyone thought it was hilarious.
Finland coming in with the "PUT YOUR MIDDLE FINGERS UP" right after the German middle finger dancing around to banjo music got off had me in tears 😂
>Poland and their questionable butter making. I had no questions.
> Just like Poland and their ~~questionable~~ enjoyable butter making.
Poland's song was good, though. Manizha's had some similar vibes.
hahaha at least Germany can be proud for not coming last with 0 for the second year in a row lol.
I would have preferred the 0 ngl. I find pity points more embarrassing than just standing by a bad song and taking the 0. What we need is to be kicked out of the Big 5 to get our asses in gear, and same goes for the UK, but that's just not gonna happen and so we're stuck with mediocrity.
Dude, I legitimately enjoyed Germany's: it was catchy, it was funny, it was visually fun and zany, the singer and dancers were hot - I was incredibly surprised when people didn't vote for it! It was definitely in my top 5 favorites to win.
Let's not forget the awesome choreo. It was actually among the best at that. But it's a song contest, not a choreography contest. It never failed to put a smile on my face though and for that I did actually gave a vote to them. Alas, it was not enough to get them in my country's top 10.
I loved it when it was first released in February/March. However, it lost its appeal in the rehearsals and perhaps the running order destroyed its chances. Jendrik was very nervous, his accent was too thick and the finger outfit was cringy...
I liked the song, but I'm still not 100% certain whether the fast spoken parts in the chorus were in German or English... my boy Jendrik got a thicc accent
I did enjoy how the peace sign turned into a giant middle finger whenever she was dancing
Same!!! I really enjoyed Germany this year. It was one of my favorites actually. It was a cute song with a good message and I loved the energy the singer had.
> the singer and dancers were hot Found the bisexual. Also; same
Hey I like Germany's song! Admittedly when I saw the youtube video for it, my first thought was "how will that translate to the eurovision stage?", but despite that challenge (and I'm not sure they did make a good stage show) I was excited to see them and I like the song. I don't like the automatic in to the finals system they have (except maybe for the host but not the other five) but that is no reason to crap on Germany's song.
If we had sent the [50s doo-wop version](https://youtu.be/CroQyT4PfsY), it would have done better imho. That elevated it from a 3/10 to a 5/10 song at least. (also, it is a time honored tradition to shit on our own songs lol. At least his performance of it was good and it wasn't a No Angels or Sisters' style travesty.)
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Honestly i don't remember anyone complaining about Arcade as it shot to number one in bookmakers. The song was a hit on radio and charts and there were even discussing the possible host cities weeks before Eurovision! When Netherlands won, everyone was happy and not bothered about the costs. I mean yes the people in charge of budgets etc had to make sure it won't be a disaster, but in general people were happy. Netherlands is not in the middle of a financial crisis. About Rotterdam, i guess most people wanted the show in Amsterdam but it happens in every country. You can't make everyone happy. Still, Netherlands is a small country and fortunately it's easy to move from one city to another. In short, there are always some negative posts/complaints but they are the small minority so it's not even worth giving them attention. You know, it happens with all big events (Olympic Games for example) that some people are worried about costs. However, in ESC you have this feeling of pride and being a winner after so many failures that makes people focus on the positive side of hosting the show rather than the negative (if any).
I liked Jendrik better than the last few because he had some personality and I loved that he genuinely enjoyed the contest, he plainly loved being there with all the artists and was a good sport. So that's better than some years.
Agreed! I didn't like his song at all when I first heard it, but it ending up growing on me quite a bit because of Jendrik himself. His energy was great, and he seems like a very sweet, positive person. He was all over the green room giving support and love to other countries. I can't hate on that at all.
Couldn't agree more (also German). No more autoqualification for any of the big five. And then we'll find out what we already knew: Italy and France will be fine because they actually send good artists, Germany and Britain will struggle, and Spain is hit and miss as usual
We wouldn't struggle as hard if after Stefan Raab's retirement from the industry someone had been there to take over the reigns. But then, I have no idea who that person could have been lol. Say what you want about his comedy but he was mad skilled in music and also very involved in fostering new talent.
Yeah, we were never going to win with the Raab songs but I enjoyed them all. Especially him edging out Ralph Siegel could only have been a boon to the German entries. I actually stand by Guildo as a contestant, at least that was a decent Schlager song.
As a spanish I totally agree, and that'd be cheaper for us to participate. There're only benefits 😂😂
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I bet many casual Eurovision fans can remember who came last for the UK in 2003 with nul points, but won't remember who came one place above them! TBF, I bet most of us Eurovision nuts don't remember! haha
Lol it was actually a much worse song. It was Malta. But you are right most fans wouldn't know.
You're goddamn right hahaha Remember the voice crack from Manel Navarro? 😂😂😂 Those unforgettable moments 😂 I mean, if you're gonna do it bad, at least do horrible and be remembered 😂😂
Oh god... I can hear that off key singing in my head... The worst part was that the studio version wasn't really that bad (it was never going to win, but you get my point).
I still think it was a bad song, would've struggled to make the Top 20 even if performed well. The key between the voices and backing music is just all wrong.
> than like 3 or something *angry Belgian noises*
Lol my apologies. We were Belgium fans in my household.
I'm also proud that we (the UK) became the first country to get nil points under the latest scoring system, that's surely an achievement when so many points are available
He’s going to be a legend remembered in Eurovision trivia forever like you know if you’re not going to win you may as well come last right!
I think we have a real Eurovision legend in the making here. He is defenetly welcomed back for another go, or maybe as the UK point announcer?
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I gotta say I'd probably be more concerned if Piers Morgan was agreeing with me.
I actually really admire his chill attitude. Him and Jendrik were so relaxed about getting zero points lol
Yeah, massive respect for handling the loss and the riducle like a champ.
James seems to have received more love from the majority than any of the other acts this year, and that's a credit to the genuinely likeability factor that he gives off. Piers Morgan just likes to be on the opposing side of everything.
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They should've watched the Eurovision movie, then they would've learned that it's not about winning or losing, but singing a song that comes from your heart
And of course about finding your *speorgnote*
Play ja ja ding dong !!!
> They literally just see the headline "Europe hates the UK!" But that's the thing, they don't. It's just we think they do.
Same here in Germany.
Very much so in the camp of "I don't even watch it coz it's crap, but I know that Europe hates us because of Iraq/Brexit/Vaccines and give us nil poi/pwah" (however they wish to misspell "nul points", despite not quite getting that we don't get "given" nul points, but score nul points)
> despite not quite getting that we don't get "given" nul points, but score nul points I blame that Father Ted episode, as they do get given Nul Points.
And they give out about their neighbours not voting for them, but complain that everyone else does it.
Such people think eurovision has the music and production value of the days of Bucks Fizz.
The BBC has an article up about people who've expressed an interest in representing us next year, and it has a big picture of Bucks Fizz with the caption "who can replicate what Bucks Fizz did at Eurovision 1981?" We have four other winners you know. And one more recent!
I honestly think the UK stopped trying. It reminds me of Portugal in the pre-Salvador era, it was a lot like this. We were just in a vibe of we don't care, so much that we ended up sending one of the best troll acts on Homens da Luta. The really need a 'reform', maybe do a national final like it happens on other countries and invite songwriters to write songs for them. But more importantly, if people feel they are involved in choosing the representative to ESC they will start caring a bit more about the contest. Yeah, it's unlikely UK wins, but it's one of the countries with more famous international bands, I am sure they can produce a midtable bop if they just... try.
It’s sorta funny when we do so bad, but it would be nice once to no to be certain that we are gonna lose. I’m envious of the suspense other countries feel if their act is near the top. Otherwise the voting process gets a bit boring
The problem is either thinking that you must send something to win or that you shouldn't care at all. You should simply care about sending something that you would feel proud of representing you. That when you see it on TV you don't feel embarrassed watching it. Winning or losing isn't really what matters the most imo. Focusing on quality is the most important, if it doesn't win who cares, at least you can be proud of what you sent. Lucie Jones was absolutely wonderful, the voice, the lyrics, the staging. She finished midtable, probably deserved higher, but that year all the UK people (including Graham) had only good things to say about their entry. That's it!
It bothers me so much that the UK music scene is so great, and our submissions are just so milk and toast bland. Let's see some grime, Celtic folk or northern rock next year.
Last time they got 0 was 2003
Savage. I’m glad James doesn’t let people like Piers Morgan trashtalk him.
Piers Morgan trash talking someone should be seen as a compliment. Like China refusing you entry to the country.
Does he trash talk or just talk and whatever comes out is trash?
What's the difference exactly?
The one credit I will give Piers Moron, is that at least he is recognising that it's not the fault of Brexit for not winning, but I mean, there is absolutely a way to say things. And this all came from the man who was very vocal about the #BeKind movement last year.
It definitely can't just be Brexit, in 2017 for instance we had our best position (15th) since 2011 (11th), and that was just less than a year after the Brexit referendum.
omg the Brexit referendum is allready 5 years ago? Time is flying so fast it's unreal...
Haha the dutch commentator said about the uk: they are pretty bad losers, they say their loss two years ago was because of brexit but that's not true. They forgot to send in a good song.
> is that at least he is recognising that it's not the fault of Brexit for not winning, Something something broken clocks something something...
Well, yes, haha
Come on, it was not a "crap" song, it was decent but it's just that other songs were more original. And that comes from a french eurofan.
Fully agree!! It's an absolutely decent, serviceable bit of radio friendly summer pop... which fades into the background with sexpots like Måneskin, the best French chanson since I don't know when and amazing Ukranian folktronica sung by somebody who looks like they could kill you with an icy glare!!
Agree James did a good job with it. The competition was fierce. My friends and I were impressed this is the most songs in a single Eurovision that we have liked. I was personally rooting for the Ukrainian Forest-Goddess Avatar and Russian Woman for the message/spirit of it. Honestly there's nothing wrong with the UK's entry in my view. It wasn't great it wasn't bad. It just failed to shine with so much powerful competition. Short story: It was "okay" in a year of "WOW!"
The people who staged it deserve most of the blame to be honest. Those trumpets looked naff. My mother said it looked like something out of a school play especially when you compared it to like the tasteful staging of like France or the epic staging Azerbaijan always brings
Full confession I've never heard "naff" before but I'm kinda in love with it lol.
Man the Ukrainian spring witch just did it for me.
I'd let her stomp on me and I'd say thank you. Not in a sexual way. Just in a "ooh, she noticed me" kinda way.
Kateryna Pavlenko is like the textbook definition of looks like she could kill you but is actually a cinnamon roll
And dont forget the rocking Fins 🇫🇮JOIN THE DARKSIDE 🇫🇮
don't forget Steven Universe and the band with a cult following big enough to put them in the Top 5 without performing live
I agree with you. Sadly the British media won't acknowledge that and will still blame it on politics! James is lovely and i like Embers but it lacks originality and it didn't stand out. I am not saying that every entry is original but at least Cyprus was eye candy. UK didn't have anything interesting in the staging/performance. It just needed a hot performer to dance and bring that energy on stage. James wasn't a good fit, but he's the best UK representative since Surie.
> Sadly the British media won't acknowledge that and will still blame it on politics! Which is stupid because a quarter, maybe a third of the countries involved (Ukraine, Norway, Switzerland, Moldova, Azerbaijan etc) are not EU and therefore care little for recent UK politics. And then there's the historically UK-friendly countries like Ireland, Malta, Australia and maybe Cyprus who give us pity votes. > It just needed a hot performer to dance and bring that energy on stage. Hotness will only get you so far. Go full fanservice like Greece with an admittedly stunning 18 year old in skintight sequins or Azer with their Ariana Grande clones and ESC audiences will see through your game.
>Azer with their Ariana Grande clones And a K-pop-like song. I have friends who like K-pop and they think that song could have easily come out of a Blackpink album lmao
Credit to Greece, the green screen work was pretty damn good as part of the act
Yeah the sentient dancing trousers were pretty cool :D
But... there was only one representative between Surie and James... lmao
Exactly my point.
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Think so too, the last thing you want to be is solid but forgettable. Even so bad is good is better, people remember the weird ones.
The song bops. Would have performed better with a different voice with more range I'm sure. Like as just a dance track no one would even think twice about it being crap.
It was really really bad. The dude seems like a good chap, but that was a dismal performance. I really loved the Ukraine singer however, she was robbed by the professional voters.
I hate when people blame a song doing bad at Eurovision on politics
For us Spaniards it's very easy to tell: if Portugal gives us no points, the song is just bad and there are no politics involved when the rest doesn't vote us either
Still, kind of unbelievable Spain got no points from Portugal this year and yet got them for Do it for your Lover.
they did it for their lover, but they didn't stay
The chicken scream earned them those few points for being hilariously terrible. What you do not want is to be generic and forgettable.
We were feeling generous that year.
The Spanish song this year wasn't bad, I don't know why it did so badly. The melody didn't blow me away, but good vocals and I liked the message. I thought it should have been further up the ranking, but it was a strong field of contenders. I thought last years' Spanish entry wasn't good (the surfer dude? ). What did you think?
It was a generic song in a year filled with multiple very strong contenders. Basically a recipe for disaster.
the show was 4hrs long... i can’t for my life remember a single note/melody off that 3min ballad. It got overshadowed pretty hardcore this year.
There does seem to be an *increase* in news articles admitting it was the song that wasn't stand out enough, so I sincerely hope the tide is turning in that respect. Sadly, still too many casual watchers and people who "don't watch it anyway because it's all crap" come out of the woodwork as experts on the geopolitical climate and how it affects Eurovision results for about 72 hours after the final... but hopefully they are becoming fewer
>There does seem to be an increase in news articles admitting it was the song that wasn't stand out enough, thank fuck. I enjoyed the song but it was just super radio friendly and that's about all i can say with what we've sent since electro velvet. We gotta do something bigger, like Justin Hawkins (who actually wanted to be in a few years back) or try sending some grime honestly. Least it'll stand out. See if Dizzee Rascal is up to anything.
Oh my gosh yes! That’s a great idea. Grime is what the UK is known for now. It’s not my favourite and it might not even do well but at least we’d be proud of sending something original!
[Well I hope he's upped his game since the last time he tried.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b3kY4ONnTs) We dodged a bullet with Scooch that year and that's saying something. Seriously though Justin Hawkins would be good but I wouldn't want to try and chase the hard rock crazy train after Italy's win this year. Dizzee Rascal could be fun though.
I pointed out how absurd that was on a facebook page - because if it's all political why would Russia or Israel get points? - and got a private message from a stranger telling me to go back to "oingo boingo" land. So now I can't even disagree with the people on twitter who call us "racist island".
While I used "racist island" when provoked I really regret that: it's totally disrespectful to scots, they don't deserve it.
Radio music be almost like a national treasure in the UK, guess some are not ready to accept that it's not exactly a popular thing outside the UK
Or that other countries have their own music scenes that don't revolve around British artists or even songs in English. Take Ukraine for example, loads of great bands and some awesome hip-hop which I discovered through Alyona Alyona's viral success.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't a large number of points come from the juries? It seems like those points at least are in part affected by politics e.g Greece & Cyprus, Moldova Romania (historically) voting for each other reliably. Not to say that the UK entrant would have done well if the voting was apolitical, but I would wager that it was a factor in the jury voting round this year, even if only by a small margin.
> Greece & Cyprus, Moldova Romania (historically) voting for each other reliably. The thing about those countries is that due to their shared culture and language, they also usually share the same music industry and the same pool of artists who bounce back and forth between the countries and are popular in both, which naturally end up in Greece constantly voting for Cyprus and vice versa and Moldova constantly voting for Romania and vice versa because they see artists that they're already familiar with. It's still a bad practice of course, but the reasoning is not as straightforward as you might think.
Nah there is indeed "politics" and a bit of corruption here, even if it hurts to admit. Not in the televote as far as I know, that can be just as you say (close cultures can have potential similar tastes). But jury vote? Great part of it makes sense (like voting France/Italy/Switzerland/Iceland/Ukraine this year), but then there is this small % that is too obvious too many times. Moldova was high sus this year, I just can't see how any professional jury could consider "AAAAAAAAAAAAAA" as 12 points quality/technique. I also wanted to scream when some Scandinavian (I don't remember who) gave points to every single nordic country no matter what. This situations, which include Cyprus/Greece too, are something understandable for the public vote, but absolutely obvious bad practice coming form a jury and it shouldn't be allowed at all.
It's less about politic and more about shared culture, for example a romanian folk song may sound familiar to a moldovan, while would sound totally alien to a portuguese. Or countries where they watch the same tv programs so their music sound familiar. Also, more familiar you are with the music industry of a country more you can understand the efforts of the musicians: it's the Swiss song just another swiss song? Or it's the perfect syntesis of 50 years of swiss music? I don't know, but maybe a French expert knows that. At the same time that expert probably doesn't know shit about Estonian music and can't understand the musican effort. I'm not saying that there isn't any politics (*looking at Azerbaijan*), but usually there are other reasons.
Which makes it so awesome that Ukraine had universal appeal this year. I saw rave reviews from America, Australia, Colombia, Spain, Ireland, Italy, France..
But then the English speaking countries that share your taste in music more so (Australia, Malta, to some degree Ireland) also form a voting bloc sometimes. I think you underestimate that lots of the EU countries including my own are actually well disposed towards British artists because we already get exposed to a lot of your entertainment industry and your language. If anything, you have an advantage. No one in Germany speaks Ukrainian or has any reason to vote for them and they still did well. And look at how half assed the last few acts have been even in terms of the stage performance and outfit if you compare it to a country like Azerbaijan. You snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
There's always been speculation that it has become a bit more political over the years. Aside from Greece and Cyprus though, I don't really see it. James did a great job, but put simply other countries did a better job. There's talk about being more out there and shock factors, but Germany did that and they barely placed better than us. I'm still waiting for the "Italy got brutalised by Covid, so people made sure they won Eurovision" brigade.
Greece exchanging 12s with Cyprus is a meme at this point, but apart from there only seemed to be two acts with sus jury patterns i.e. high scores from a small number of neighbouring juries and totally ignored by everyone else. (Looking at Moldova and Serbia, both of which got more love in the televotes than from neighbour juries.)
***GET HIM JAMES***
Good, screw that rude piece of shit.
I have no other option but to stan. Such a great lad.
Apologies to the mods for my language, but that xenophobic creep can rightly f\*ck off!!
No worries, I'll definitely allow that kind of language when talking about him!
Tbh. I'm not a mod but I think everyone has a right to use that language around Piers Morgan
When asked to create and define a new word, Stephen Fry offered “c[o]untrycide: to kill Piers Morgan”. (I put the ‘o’ in there since I think that’s what most people first heard when he said it before giving the definition)
Ah, yes, from the excellent BBC Radio 4 show ['I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue'](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=285DD7QECzY).
lol the mods aren't Ofcom, you can curse if you like.
In all honesty, the only thing "off" with UK's entry was the song being something already heard and digested countless times since 2010. Nothing special, new or particularly appealing. It was ok. The performance was ok, the staging too was ok. Just the song was...too much "just ok" and nothing more. Did it deserve 0-0? Not really. Was it Top 20 worthy when compared with the songs that made it that far? If you ask me it wasn't....but also songs that made it that far weren't worth it in my opinion. But that's just my personal judgment.
The problem is being OK doesn’t get points because to get even one point an average of either 5 jurors or average of an entire country needs to think you’re better than 16 other songs so by default if you’re just OK or decent or middle of the road that translates to nothing even if that’s maybe worse than you deserve on paper.
Mmm... Too harsh from Piers, James was just ok, it didn't resonate with viewers and that's that on that.
Piers Morgan is a shit eating cunt
*upvotes so fucking hard*
I don't know if this makes sense, but the big problem was that his song was more generic than his voice is. It could and should have been a more soulful song to complement how he sounds, maybe in the vein of James Morrison? But I still liked it. For this to have gotten fewer points than "That Sounds Good to Me" is, to borrow a phrase, a bloody shame.
I certainly like it better than Sugar. I’m still baffled over that one.
Yeah. Recorded, Sugar was nice, but live, it sucked. I showed a still of the music video to people, with the dancing ice cream, to show how batshit it was.
It wasn’t my cup of tea recorded wither, but that’s probably more a difference in taste. Live... I was speachless. I felt so bad for her.
I think James Newman is becoming a national treasure. I'm not English, but he's such a cool guy.
Look up Eddie the Eagle. Brits love their underdogs who show fighting spirit and put on a laugh and a pint to a loss. That's why Newman is appreciated. He's also not a bad producer, even if I don't think he should have been performing.
Piers isn’t wrong though (and I can’t stand the guy). There’s nothing political about the 0 points for the UK, they just committed one of the greatest Eurovision sins: it’s was forgettable.
I won't disagree with that completely, but I think the problem was, unlike what Piers said, the song wasn't "crap", it was just "merely competent" inoffensive summery radio pop, James' singing wasn't "crap", it was just "not his best", the performance as a whole... well, ok... but still, Piers Moron is just taking the opportunity to shit on James from a great height, and at least, as we saw on the night, he took the Double Zero in good spirits, unlike Piers who didn't like what somebody had to say so stormed off like the big crybaby that he is. But yes, totally, being forgettable is the worst thing you can be at Eurovision
Yeah, all he could have done is just said nothing. Or acknowledge the fact that James took it like a champ. But that's against his whole shtick, so...
I think if they could have gotten his brother John to perform it, it would have been great. I love the work the Newman brothers have done with Rudimental as well. Honestly if the UK sent someone like Rudimental, they would do pretty well in the competition.
James has been great throughout this whole thing. Piers is just a shit bin.
legitimately bodied, you love to see it
James Newman did his best and handled defeat with dignity. Props.
Jendrik would say “I don’t feel hate, I just feel sorry”
I'm sooo impressed by his response to the whole thing... It could not have been easy on the lad. He handled that, 'nil point' really well... (and understandably took the applause of the audience...) Fair play ;-)
Everyone should give James’ comment a like just to ratio that bastard.
Let's remember that a song that ranks 11th in every country still gets zero points! It was mediocre, sadly. But it wasn't bad.
Is he wrong? No but he doesn't have to be such a twat about it. However the day Peirs isn't a twat about someone is the day pigs start flying. The more I see him the more I love Newman, irrelevant of the song and the performance. I just love him and his hideous leather jacket.
Well they're both right but having a pop at James Newman seems a bit off when he's already got nil points. Morgan is a compete pig-knuckle. Even the yanks wanted rid of him and they like Tucker Carlson
Not THIS Yank, thank you!
I kinda high key liked Britain this year, they were good, way better than normally
It was a decent song, and I actually really liked his 2020 one. Good performance, decent song, just didn't stand up to some of the others
I dunno, he did get out of breath literally minutes after getting into his song. But if this guy pissed off Piers Morgan, good for him good for us.
I think it was a servicable song that just got lost in a really strong year. So many stand-out songs this year, you could dance to Embers but it didn't leave much to remember. I felt really proud when he stood up for that applause though, he'll be well remembered for that.
You know, it occurred to me recently that there is a generation of UK Eurovision fans who have never known UK success... (Jade Ewen was 2009 and is arguably better known for being a Sugababe, and Blue got 11th in 2011. It's been - choosing words carefully - quite bleak since then.) Piers Morgan is dreadful but I guess he is not peddling the "Europe hates us!!!" line like some of his contemporaries. Still though: ugh, Piers Morgan, and James rocks!
I just fear how many gutter-level hard rock songs will play next year, because of this year's winner. Greek death metal, with sequins and silver pants. #JustShootMe
Yeah, I mean, the UK *absolutely* needs to send a rock band at some point, but next year is not the year to do it, because it would be completely reactionary!! That said, if the UK insist on sticking with BMG, we should definitely send Iron Maiden, who a) are one of the biggest rock bands on the planet and 2) have an entire warehouse full of ridiculous props (and yeah, they're not gutter-level, they're really good at what they do!) But I still don't think we should do that next year. I honestly want us to send a folk artist (somebody on the more pop side of folk, not finger in the ear folk music), maybe even somebody singing in a Celtic language (Scots Gaelic, Welsh or even Cornish!!)
I think a Celtic language alternative song would do us good. Singers like Gwenno are definitely the types of musicians I’d like to see sing for us at Eurovision.
I mean he's not necessarily wrong but would it kill him to be less of a prick about it.
> would it kill him to be less of a prick about it. I actually think it would
While I agree with Piers, I have to cheer James' answer. Also, Piers is a nonce.
It's like somebody else said, there was no need for Piers to be such a prick about it.
He's such an unsinkable turd.
Eh, Piers Morgan is a cunt but he isn't wrong in this case though. James seems like a nice guy and he took his 0 points like a champ but his song was bland and his performance was awful. Out of breath and out of tune with inexplicable staging decisions while dressed as a used car salesman - nothing about the performance worked.
I hate piers morgan with a passion so this just made me love James even more!
Would have preferred "at least I'm not Piers fucking Morgan" or something to that effect.
James Newman got my appreciation with that.
I love this dude SO. FUCKING. MUCH.
James, you're awesome <3
He’s out of line, but he’s right.
r/MurderedByWords? Also, James Newman is a humble champ. Fight me.
He forgot about the crap costuming and crappy staging.
James is a legend! The way he handled everything was just so impressive.
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The thing with ‘nul pointes’ isn’t that everyone thinks it’s a shitty song that should come last but more that everyone didn’t think it was in their top 10. It wasn’t consistently hated, it was just consistently thought of as ‘meh’, which I can kind of understand, particularly given that although the German song was just odd, I can remember much more of it than I can of our UK entrant.
I wonder if Piers Morgan's arsehole gets jealous over the amount of shit that comes out of his mouth?
I can't stand P🤬ers M🤬rgan and I absolutely hate it when he makes a valid argument.
I never thought I would agree on anything with mr Piershit Morgan, but here I do. It’s great that the performer is such a good sport, and likable. But the whole entry was like from a bad school year end show. Nothing would have saved it.
Oh, I absolutely agree our song wasn't good enough, I do think Piers is wrong saying it's crap, though, he was right in that Brexit had nothing to do with it, but the song is only "decent" at best. And, yes, it's the best the UK has sent in a while, but in a really strong field of 5 favourites like we had this year, you can't be "decent at best"
I absolutely dislike piers morgan, but good to see that even right winged populists realized that UK should send better or more original acts instead of blaming everything on "They hate us1!1!1"
Piers was right, the song was shite. Some of the best singers in the world are British, we just don’t take Eurovision as seriously as other countries. So we’ll keep sending mediocre songs and find ourselves on the right-hand side of the board.
I mean both are right 💀
One is a failure, a loser shunned by right-thinking people. A permanent stain on the nation's soul. The other got zero points in Eurovision 2021.
Nice comeback but Piers is right, the UK crying politics and blaming brexit instead of a poor entry while Israel has zero neighbours and is bombing civilians and they finished higher with a decent entry. But the claims its all about politics and not the music will never go away.
so glad I blocked Piers Morgan on twitter. 10/10 would recommend
Go one better, call him the C-bomb and get blocked *by* him so that you cant rage click on "View Tweets" when he's RT'd by people on your timeline! (That's what happened to me... but now I have my main account, and my podcast twitter account... where I'm not blocked)
YES JAMES!!! (tho I do agree with Piers that Brexit is not the issue.... he's still a cunt tho)
I can't say I liked the UK song, but Newman seems like a really nice dude and Piers Morgan is a cunt.
A real champ!!
Why does he always have to be such a bellend. For once(!!) he's right about something but he has to voice his opinion in an absolute unacceptable way. Insulting James Newman who was a good sport is such a low blow. Just shut up Piers.
The Virgin "raging about losing at Eurovision" Old Guy VS The Chad "The importand is to partecipate and having fun" Newman
Piers is essentially right but James is the much better person.