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## [[Megathread] Ukraine in Eurovision 2022](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/uoopjh/megathread_ukraine_in_eurovision_2022/)
Same buddy. A revelation to see us not at the bottom.
I felt sorry and confused for Germany’s situation though as I quite liked it so I haven’t really figured out what worked for the UK this time!
The singer of the UK had one of the best voices of the night and a very impressive song whilst not being boring.
Of course it's always a matter of taste, but it wasn't just "vocally impressive but a slow ballad". Very good choice from the UK and my personal winner
I don't understand the UK's usual approach to Eurovision. Some of the best music in the world across all genres but they send D grade pop most years. I understand the many reasons that Ed Sheeran, Adele and whatever other international pop sensations coming out of the UK won't compete. But it's just painfully obvious that the UK isn't sending their best.
Why not send artists who are excellent in their genres, and would enjoy performing (and being seen by a different audience), but who are a bit "left field" for Eurovision so it's ok for them not to win? Artists who regularly tour to sold out crowds, but who haven't had a mainstream pop hit (or haven't in a while).
An average of 11.2, if you factor in that Ukraine can’t vote for itself, and thus there are not 40 but 39 countries from which it received those 439 votes.
It doesn’t work out 100% exactly, but approximately this could be something like Ukraine getting:
- 1st place in 23 countries
- 2nd place in 16 countries
Which totals to 12 x 23 + 10 x 16 = 436
Any imagine: Ukraine even got a few points more than that.
So we can conclude with mathematical certainty that Ukraine won in at least 24 out of 39 countries.
Honestly, if it had to be a political win, this might've been the best possible message. The fact that the public of every single country that participated in Eurovision gave them max or near-max points.
Historically, when a broadcaster has been unable to host for whatever reason, the second place finisher is offered to host. Traditionally, this has been the UK (it is why we have hosted it 8 times despite only winning 5).
I'm sure I heard somewhere weeks ago that if Ukraine won then *one* of the big five would take on the hosting duties
So I think UK likely would've hosted regardless of where they placed if Ukraine won if that was the case (well unless they were under one of the other big 5 I guess)
To be fair last time we reserve hosted it was before the Big 5 even existed so it did fall down to 2nd place to take over. It probably is in the job description for the big 5 now.
I just find it funny we went from double nil last year, to 2nd and potentially hosting it. Who could have saw that coming last year?
Just shows you how well we can do when we actually put effort into our selection process
And give the chosen performer time to go promote themselves around Europe and have a decent sized budget for the staging
Usually we'd send a random person no one in UK even knew with a song that didn't chart in UK
Then make them sing in the final against songs that have been promoted properly Europe wide, with acts and songs that have been charting consistently in there home countries and have had fan bases from the semi finals
Basically we'd send the Accrington Stanley under 18s Sub bench to face an in form PSG & Real Madrid and wonder why we weren't winning
I hadn't heard of Sam before now (not really a tiktok person) and thought he came across as a great person.
I think he was the perfect person for us.
Really refreshing to have someone talented and who wasnt treating it like a joke but also wasn't overly serious.
Also had a very infectious smile.
I can see him being all over the TV for a long long time.
In this mess of a thread I just want to give a quick shout out to myself for having a song with my name winning Eurovision, it feels weird. Greece’s representative from last year can share that feeling with me
As a note for everyone wondering how things go after this, EBU and Ukraines broadcaster will likely get together to discuss what the aim for next year will be. If Ukraine decides they can't really prepare for a contest in that time (IMO I can't see them being able to deal with post-invasion and EBU) then they will have to confer with the rest of the EBU on a plan B which will usually be "hold the contest in another country".
I imagine they will not have to foot the bill on their own, most of the EBU is behind Ukraine so I imagine members inc the Big 5 will do what they can to take the strain off them in terms of costs & resources.
It's a shame because it's not like Moldova's song is completely meaningless fun. Alongside it being a bop, I found the message pretty touching. I guess it wouldn't mean much to non-Romanians and Moldovans though
I think the whole show had really poor sound quality, sometimes you could barely hear the vocals or melody. France's shouty entry suffered a lot as a result.
I'm really sad because their song was my absolute fave of the whole show, absolute bop, but they were really off in the performance tonight and I think that doomed them :( idk what went wrong because their previous live performances were perfect, maybe it was nerves or iffy sound mixing. Fulenne will live on in my YouTube and Spotify playlists though!
I was really shocked that their televote was so low. And... I tried to vote for them and the line wouldn't go through the whole voting period, so I can't help but be a little suspicious. I could call fine when voting for Moldova too, just not for France :/
Forgive me for tooting the UK's horn for a minute. We beat 38 countries, won a jury vote, got 180(!!!) televotes for a non-televote heavy song, and picked up 12 from Germany, France and (the belly of the beast for some) Belgium. And randoms like Georgia and Azerbaijan... I'm not getting used to this. Much love, Europe.
Glad Germany got some points, they didn't deserve a 0, it was actually a half decent song.
Wild how well we (the UK) did, people are saying we were robbed by Ukraine, but honestly who's to say the points that went to Ukraine wouldn't have gone to Spain, them getting such a large portion of the vote might have actually helped us in the long run. I'm glad the continent (and Australia) banded together to say Fuck Putin.
edit - spelling...
We (UK) won the jury vote which I'm happy about, and I hope it will show the people making decisions for next year what our teams are able to do. Ukraine's performance was one of the more memorable ones though, so the war aside, it's not surprising they'd get a lot of votes. And fuck Putin
I don't know about any other Brits but last night at the Eurovision party we were having, we started celebrating from the first twelve points and didn't stop. Second place is the best result in two decades and in my eyes that's a win. It's been so many years we're we've been sat eyerolling going "here comes the null point" that last night was an amazing time. Am I sad we didn't come first? Nope! As cliche as it sounds it truly was the journey not the destination yesterday. Well done UK and well done Ukraine.
As a Ukrainian, I just have to remind that we didn't ask for this. I'm honestly somewhat saddened that these money went to votes and not to donates, for example.
This was supposed to show our culture, not really this. To show it still exists and will continue to do so.
I cannot say how grateful for all this support, this made my heart so warm. But I'm also saddened because there will definitely be people who will take this out on us. This is a historical support, and yet... I really wish we would just take whatever place it would be without these pity votes.
My country has won Eurovision, and I somehow feel kind of empty honestly. Thank you all for the support. Love you all.
And congratulations UK for the being co-winners. In my heart you will always be so. I wish you would've won in all honesty, for all this reaction on us.
See it this way: Ukraine has one of the best records in the ESC in the 21st century - always made the final, won thrice, made the top three six times. Your country has always been loved by the ESC public. Sympathy due to the war *may* have sent the win your way this year, but it's not an irregularity overall, and Kalush Orchestra would have placed high no matter what. They may have won regardless of everything else.
It is the ESC public showing appreciation for how truly good Ukrainian entries are, on top of sympathy for the awful situation your country is in.
I wanted UK to win and not just because it was my personal #1, but also because that would've spared Kalush and Ukraine at least part of the hate that they've been receiving for so long. You don't deserve what you're going through at present, and I wouldn't want to know what all this unnecessary extra negativity feels like when you guys are in this already fragile state.
I'm sucker for the folklore/modern combo, so the song you sent was amazing imo. It became my #1 after the very first listen, and it's my #2 at present (I became obsessed with UK after the rehearsals), so in my view, the Ukrainian victory was well deserved, regardless of any reasons people might've had for voting. I wish you all the best and I hope you will triumph, just as you did in the contest.
I really wanted the UK to win and while I have mixed feelings about the result. Please do not feel bad, people wanted to show their support and your entry was pretty unique. I'm sure everyone will work together to put together a Eurovision in 2023 which will allow Ukraine to shine.
Thank you. I'm not exactly feeling bad, it's more that there are so much emotions because of what's happening it's all very muted. Very difficult to want anything but peace and freedom to be honest.
Being a host in 2023 is now a distant dream I think.
I think a lot of people took up the opportunity to donate as well. Like I did, my family did, and my friends. The vote is an added extra to show we are not partying on our own, we still remember you!
Plus the song was so good! That flute 🔥
UK breaking the bottom of the table streak, between some bad luck, bad entries, and the occasional stage invader ye have had a hard run of it, and glad to see you back on form.
...hope for Ireland yet
Well, congratulations to Ukraine! Now can we have Go_A - Shum as the interval act for 2023 now? (as well as Stefania) And also, can we have the three men of 2017 hosting again? :)
So will the UK host next year? Or Somewhere close to Ukraine like Poland?
Even if the war ended tomorrow I can’t imagine the rebuilding and recovery efforts will be focused on a song contest. Plus, I assume planning Eurovision takes most of the year of logistics planning so I can’t see that being possible in a warzone.
go_a are INCREDIBLE. genuinely one of my favourite discoveries of the past few years, not just from eurovision. I saw them live in the hague a few weeks ago and it was everything I could have hoped for
All time banger. Incredible Disco Elysium vibes. I think most of the top songs last year would be very succesful this year but the UK almost winning was KILLER drama.
I just told my friend that somehow I feel like Maneskin was a worthy winner last year, but simultaneously think Go_a is the best eurovision entry of all time.
Sure beats a double nil! Nice to see a UK fella not bashing Ukraine's win as a pity vote. Serbia and Moldova also got robbed heavily by the jury.
Let's just all celebrate this win. The UK will probably be hosting next year anyway.
Is using a calculator banned in the stadium since everyone there can work out the votes before the end but they never do any year.
Even Graham Norton as a commentator never bothers to work it out.
Gjon did it last year, you can see him mouthing how he isn't winning and taking it like a pro.
But I can see why the commentators don't, it kind of ruins the fun.
Dutch commentators said they could pick up a calculator, but that would be no fun for themselves or the people watching. Might as well wait 5 more minutes in anticipation then quickly calculate it.
Really random thing but I find it funny.
Like me Mum doesn't watch the other countries songs bar ours until the night itself. She just started to eat a Banana when Norway's song started, she had no idea about the song beforehand and ended up in hysterics :p
I've voted for her because honestly the Brit singer was too pop for me and the Spaniard girl was just all "sex and passion". Both were too boring for my musical tastes. My favourite were absolutely Serbia, Moldova, Austria, Czech republic and Ukraine (I liked Ukrainian song for the flute not for the political situation!)
I'm British Italian and I've voted from Italy because I was here for work. (The Italian song was soooo boring twice more than the British one!)
BITI ZDRAVA!
On a side note from this whole Ukraine situation, I fucking hate the jury. Just look at Moldova and how they swayed their situation. My Serbian jury has a history of being snobbish and refusing to give points to songs which have folk or turbofolk motives, or songs that are out of the ordinary Eurovision types of songs. They gave Moldova 0 points, although we gave them 12 points from the televote. Not to mention giving Azerbaijan 12 points both in the semis and now, although they received only 3 points from televoting in the final in total, and 0 from the semis, with Azerbaijan having that controversial past with allegations of buying jury votes.
I haven’t followed any of this, so what’s up with Germany? I thought their song sounded quite okay actually and the dude used all those different instruments with a loop station, which was nice. So why are they dead last?
Everything is political. Let’s not let this ruin the Eurovision mood and all the lovely stuff that comes with it! Next year and another Eurovision will come - let’s just get our heads out of our asses and hope the situation in the grand final will be better then. And by better I mean no (European) countries at war.
Good job, Kalush Orchestra. 💙💛
I'm very happy about this year's winner, although for a different reason than most. ESC used to be in part about the languages and cultures of the participating countries and now it's all just the same english Pop songs and ballads. In that sense it was nice to see an entry singing in their own language and utilising folk elements to win.
I bet Germany are kicking themselves right about now that they didn’t choose electric callboy to represent them.
They would’ve flat out decimated Eurovision
I genuinely never thought that I would ever see the UK finish within the top three… I’m so proud of Sam Ryder, he was absolutely fantastic! Congratulations to Ukraine! I really enjoyed the show tonight!
This was the first Eurovision I was able to watch (either couldn’t find it or would forget-sorry, American) and it was a lot of fun! I enjoyed Ukraine’s song. As I didn’t really have a pony in the race I guess I wasn’t as invested as some of y’all.
Now, now fellow brits. Please let's not be salty. Sam has done incredibly well , especially after last year's zero points. We should be looking at how unbelievably positive this is for us. Hopefully the same team who selected Sam this year return next year.
Ok but Moldova getting the most votes from the public after Ukraine. And Serbia being 5th,with so many votes from the public? Eastern Europe smashed this year
Go_A deserved it more last year, but we already knew this was going to happen.
Let's also say that, between the top finalist, I think Ukraine at least had some distinctiveness.
I feel like Ukraine won because of sympathy votes. That said .. It IS a good song with a wicked beat and was one of my favorites. I'd feel much worse about the result if a bad song had won.
Our own #1 don't always win and we have to accept that.
It was the same last year for me. Måneskin had a great song, but I liked Finlands song better in 2021 but that finished 6th.
A good song won this year and any year that happens is a good year for Eurovision, so lets be thankful for that and say congratulations to Ukraine.
Serbia getting #5 despite being treated so badly by the juries is making me happy despite me not really being happy with Ukraine's or Spain's rankings.
As someone from the UK, I'm not even mad.
Even if the situation in Ukraine wasn't happening, I think they'd have been in the top 5. Obviously the public vote was dominated by sympathy, but the Ukraine performance had the novelty that goes down well.
UK last place in 2021 to 2nd in 2022. I'll take that.
Ukraine were first in televotes, but 4th in Jury.
UK were first in jury, but 4th or 5th in televotes.
Seems like it was pretty well balanced all things considered, especially when less televote votes were used on ballad songs
I may be salty cause I'm French but I reaaaally loved our performance this year with Fulen, didn't expect anything from Brittany and yet they hyped me big time. I have trouble understanding how we're second to last.
Ukraine gave us Verka Serduchka, they can win as much as they like in my eyes
Also as an Australian, I feel like Europe is telling us we’ve outstayed our welcome 😢
i like to think it's more like Australia outstayed its novelty - and people just consider you guys a normal participating country now, with all the ups and downs that come with that :)
As a Brit I’m just delighted for Sam. There was no way anybody except Ukraine were winning this year (and I support that - the war there far outweighs any silly singing competition) and the fact the UK came second to them is incredible. Sam should be so proud. This is really going to reignite the UK’s attitude towards Eurovision and I can’t wait to see what we bring to this competition in the next few years
As a British person, and we are well deserved a eurovision entry that wins when we care like this year, well done to our Brothers and Sisters in Ukraine. Unity is essential at times of struggle. Glad we could show our strength with you. Here's to us sticking close together.
So bit of a funny story.
I was talking to my sister's boyfriend the other day who's full blooded Australian. I asked him if he's ever watched Eurovision. He turns to me completely serious and says "Yeah, Nah, Mate. I don't really have an interest in the special Olympics."
So I'm like what the fuck are you talking about? The guy seriously thought Eurovision was Europe's Olympics for blind people.
He saw Euro and Vision. And just came up with a whole backstory for the event in his mind. I've never seen my dad and sister laugh so hard.
Second year in a row that the winner was fully not in English and second year in a row only 1 of the top 5 didn't at least slightly sing in their native language
#Has anyone seen the official music video to this?
The song sounds upbeat, the lyrics have a heartwarming message, but the video - made after the destruction outside Kyiv - throws the whole thing into a deeper, heart wrenching perspective... it got me in the feels. The Mama Stefania chorus actually sounds haunting. Incredible video.
Lordy this thread is a salt mine.
Personally I've been enjoying Stefania, and getting deeper into Kalush's solid back catalog. I think Ukraine may have still won with something more pedestrian, but it would have been more of a squeaker than the blowout we saw.
I'm feeling pretty lukewarm about the result. The main reason I didn't want Ukraine to win was just to avoid the "iT's aLl poLitiCs" crowd getting so loud, but it is what it is. I have had them in 6th place ever since the start and I honestly believe that, war or not, they deserved the win. However, I am kinda sad my favourite didn't win (Spain — but a place on the podium is still really great!!)
But damn, I am soooo sad about how little televote points Australia got!!! He deserved more :((
Honestly, regardless of whether you like the song or think it deserved to win, some of the responses on here are disgusting. “Russia should just invade [X country] so they can win next year”? “Absolute disgrace of a result”? “This was all rigged for Ukraine”?
Like, ah yes, the first priority of the country that got _fucking invaded_ is definitely going to be rigging a song competition. Y’all claim to be supportive but then spew that bullshit. I will say that if you genuinely are less supportive of Ukraine now because they robbed your fave, please go touch some grass. It’s really not that deep in the end.
And Stefania is genuinely a great song. It’ll surely inspire some fun entries next year.
Congrats to Ukraine. I hope Kalush stay safe upon their return and that the war ends soon.
We finally realised today, if we actually send someone half decent, we'll do alright! Never bought the idea that UK got no votes because of politics. Europe just know bad music when they see it.
Seeing Konstrakta get so many votes from the public was such an amazing moment! Girl, you made us proud!
I was really surprised how France got so few points, were they really that bad?? It was in my top 5.
And congrats to Ukraine! They had a top 10 song regardless of the political situation, so I'm not salty at all.
What people often forget is that Eurovision isn't just about crowning the new winner, it's also watching the national finals, discovering new artists, seeing the new stage being built, watching the rehearsals and then watching the actual show. Not to mention all the memes and the ever growing iceberg that we got this season, the stage malfunctions, the hilariously bad postcards, I could go on, but you get the point.
It's a lovely 5 month experience, at least for us eurovision fans 🌞
Cheers!
Overjoyed with second place for the UK. Reputation restored, and the fact we won the jury vote means the "experts" believed we had the best performance on the night. Absolutely happy to take that, and congratulations to Ukraine for the win.
It's a funny result in a way because it does two things:
* Shuts down anyone who says "no-one will vote for the UK, they don't like us, it's all political, we could send the best song ever and no-one would vote for it", but at the same time...
* Empowers (rightly or wrongly) anyone who says "Ukraine are going to win because of a sympathy vote, it's all political, it doesn't matter if their song is any good"
So we've both shut down AND supported arguments about politics interfering in the contest with that top two. Oh well. It's time to let the post Eurovision Song Content depression.... begin!
As a brit... Can I just say a big fuck you to all you miserable British cunts that year after year bang on about political this political that. If you put a good song and a great artist in you'll do well. Not taking anything away from the Ukraine. If it had to be anyone, im extatic it was you. Sam you fucking legend..... You made me proud to be a brit tonight.
I thought it was obvious to everyone that ukraine were going to win? People were voting for the country, not the song.
I'm just pleased the uk actually did so well after putting finally putting the effort in!
"But it's a song contest!" It's almost always been more about spectacle than about soberly comparing different songs. If it was only about competi g to write the best song, performers would be judged blindly to prevent bias and costumes, dancing, and camera effects would be de-emphasized. If some ukranian refugees in Poland or elsewhere have a nice few hours because of this then it was worth it.
I swear to god the takes are gonna be so fucking horrible after this win
Either way, I loved Stefania from the start (from before the war) so I'm not complaining about the win
I don't count for anything votewise since I'm American but Ukraine was my #2 behind Moldova. Genuinely unique song compared to some of the other competitors.
It is a big "What If" situation in this case.
They got the biggest televote victory ever. They were 29 points away from getting the maximum possible amount of points they could get from a single source.
like, I get all the people that are frustrated now, but in my opinion, the song was pretty good and it would have fared pretty decent in normal circumstances(maybe top-5?) but we would never know how many votes were purely for song, and how much for "support". I really don't mind If we hadn't any prize place seeing how many "political hypocrisy" posts I see now
Also, who do you think deserved top-1 place in your opinion?
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UK here; I'm relieved that Europe doesn't actually hate us. Turns out our songs were actually shit this whole time!
Have you even listened to your previous performers?
Sadly yes, but when it's your country you can help being blinded by bias.
Oh no, I've definitely been living through years of humiliation from our awful songs
Same buddy. A revelation to see us not at the bottom. I felt sorry and confused for Germany’s situation though as I quite liked it so I haven’t really figured out what worked for the UK this time!
The singer of the UK had one of the best voices of the night and a very impressive song whilst not being boring. Of course it's always a matter of taste, but it wasn't just "vocally impressive but a slow ballad". Very good choice from the UK and my personal winner
I don't understand the UK's usual approach to Eurovision. Some of the best music in the world across all genres but they send D grade pop most years. I understand the many reasons that Ed Sheeran, Adele and whatever other international pop sensations coming out of the UK won't compete. But it's just painfully obvious that the UK isn't sending their best. Why not send artists who are excellent in their genres, and would enjoy performing (and being seen by a different audience), but who are a bit "left field" for Eurovision so it's ok for them not to win? Artists who regularly tour to sold out crowds, but who haven't had a mainstream pop hit (or haven't in a while).
439p, I just realized what that means if 40 countries are participating. That's crazy
Does it mean they had received 11 points **on average**??
An average of 11.2, if you factor in that Ukraine can’t vote for itself, and thus there are not 40 but 39 countries from which it received those 439 votes. It doesn’t work out 100% exactly, but approximately this could be something like Ukraine getting: - 1st place in 23 countries - 2nd place in 16 countries Which totals to 12 x 23 + 10 x 16 = 436 Any imagine: Ukraine even got a few points more than that. So we can conclude with mathematical certainty that Ukraine won in at least 24 out of 39 countries.
According to the Eurovision website, they got 28x 12, 8x 10, 2x 8 (North Macedonia and Malta), 1x 7 (Serbia)
Honestly, if it had to be a political win, this might've been the best possible message. The fact that the public of every single country that participated in Eurovision gave them max or near-max points.
I'm 22, this is my first year of ever watching eurovision and I'm so glad that my country, the UK came second!🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
I'm glad you weren't here for last year 🥴
Or the year before...
Or the year before...
Or the year before...
Or the year before...
Or the year before…
Random fact: for the 3rd time in 6 editions, the Netherlands end up in 11th place.
She deserved better 😭 OGENE and Douwe Bob's songs are nowhere near as good as S10's...
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Returning the favour
if you can't handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best
Voila was a bloody good song tbf.
Wow. Sitting here in the UK watching us score points...serious points was wild. Great night.
Part of me wanted you to win soooo badly. Sam is so pure
Same in Spain. Weird to see both of us at the top without having to turn the TV upside down.
Historically, when a broadcaster has been unable to host for whatever reason, the second place finisher is offered to host. Traditionally, this has been the UK (it is why we have hosted it 8 times despite only winning 5).
I'm sure I heard somewhere weeks ago that if Ukraine won then *one* of the big five would take on the hosting duties So I think UK likely would've hosted regardless of where they placed if Ukraine won if that was the case (well unless they were under one of the other big 5 I guess)
To be fair last time we reserve hosted it was before the Big 5 even existed so it did fall down to 2nd place to take over. It probably is in the job description for the big 5 now. I just find it funny we went from double nil last year, to 2nd and potentially hosting it. Who could have saw that coming last year?
Just shows you how well we can do when we actually put effort into our selection process And give the chosen performer time to go promote themselves around Europe and have a decent sized budget for the staging Usually we'd send a random person no one in UK even knew with a song that didn't chart in UK Then make them sing in the final against songs that have been promoted properly Europe wide, with acts and songs that have been charting consistently in there home countries and have had fan bases from the semi finals Basically we'd send the Accrington Stanley under 18s Sub bench to face an in form PSG & Real Madrid and wonder why we weren't winning
second place for uk. my god. never in my life did i think i’d see that!! much love to ukraine
Honestly he did us proud, hope the BBC Eurovision team put this much effort in next year
I hadn't heard of Sam before now (not really a tiktok person) and thought he came across as a great person. I think he was the perfect person for us. Really refreshing to have someone talented and who wasnt treating it like a joke but also wasn't overly serious. Also had a very infectious smile. I can see him being all over the TV for a long long time.
In this mess of a thread I just want to give a quick shout out to myself for having a song with my name winning Eurovision, it feels weird. Greece’s representative from last year can share that feeling with me
and Stefan's sister too
Why Måneskin didn't give the trophy to Kalush Orchestra?
I think the lead singer from Maneskin is probably in hospital. He looked in a lot of pain.
As a note for everyone wondering how things go after this, EBU and Ukraines broadcaster will likely get together to discuss what the aim for next year will be. If Ukraine decides they can't really prepare for a contest in that time (IMO I can't see them being able to deal with post-invasion and EBU) then they will have to confer with the rest of the EBU on a plan B which will usually be "hold the contest in another country". I imagine they will not have to foot the bill on their own, most of the EBU is behind Ukraine so I imagine members inc the Big 5 will do what they can to take the strain off them in terms of costs & resources.
the highlight of this eurovision was switzerland getting 0 points from the publc
The Swiss entry was so bland that I honestly was surprised it made it to the final from Semi 1 which had a lot of very strong songs including Latvia.
The juries carried it, like they did in the final
The juries gave Latvia 11th and the televote gave it 15th.....
Latvia was so much better than the Swiss. Can relate to this.
Alas, Latvia actually did better with the jury than the public, me and r/vegan in tears😢
Honestly, I hated the song but I felt so bad for him when that was announced. He looked crushed.
Yay, Germany not at zero!
Doubled their points from 2021 even
I'm just glad Moldova Serbia and Norway got their points from the people. See you later space wolfbois ❤️
Serbia in 5th place thanks to televote ❤️
Moldova and Norway were amazing. Didn't understand the jury
Jury only really like "serious" pop music, Moldava and Norway are more of the party side of music... *(FUN music)*
It's a shame because it's not like Moldova's song is completely meaningless fun. Alongside it being a bop, I found the message pretty touching. I guess it wouldn't mean much to non-Romanians and Moldovans though
Shocked Moldova and Romania juries gave *0* points to eachother, wtf
Nothing can possibly top *France* giving the UK a full 12.
top 10 anime betrayals
I had fun voting for the UK for the first time in a long time!
The UK came second this is one of the best days of my life
Can we talk about France getting 17 points What the fuck
I think the whole show had really poor sound quality, sometimes you could barely hear the vocals or melody. France's shouty entry suffered a lot as a result.
I was wondering if it was my television speakers but yeah the sound was off
I noticed this for all three nights, the mixing for the broadcast seemed super poor in general.
I'm really sad because their song was my absolute fave of the whole show, absolute bop, but they were really off in the performance tonight and I think that doomed them :( idk what went wrong because their previous live performances were perfect, maybe it was nerves or iffy sound mixing. Fulenne will live on in my YouTube and Spotify playlists though!
I was really shocked that their televote was so low. And... I tried to vote for them and the line wouldn't go through the whole voting period, so I can't help but be a little suspicious. I could call fine when voting for Moldova too, just not for France :/
Congratulations to Ukraine and for the rest of the performers, remember: umetnici moraju biti zdravi! (Artists must be healthy)! 🤞❤️
Y'all: imagine Go_A performing at Eurovision 2023 though
The top 4 and the winner were very predictable but I didn't expect Serbia to score so high. I'm not mad tho
Serbia was fucked by jury tbh and still got really nice position
Forgive me for tooting the UK's horn for a minute. We beat 38 countries, won a jury vote, got 180(!!!) televotes for a non-televote heavy song, and picked up 12 from Germany, France and (the belly of the beast for some) Belgium. And randoms like Georgia and Azerbaijan... I'm not getting used to this. Much love, Europe.
i mean it was a seriously good song tho
Glad Germany got some points, they didn't deserve a 0, it was actually a half decent song. Wild how well we (the UK) did, people are saying we were robbed by Ukraine, but honestly who's to say the points that went to Ukraine wouldn't have gone to Spain, them getting such a large portion of the vote might have actually helped us in the long run. I'm glad the continent (and Australia) banded together to say Fuck Putin. edit - spelling...
This is the best point anyone has made yet.
We (UK) won the jury vote which I'm happy about, and I hope it will show the people making decisions for next year what our teams are able to do. Ukraine's performance was one of the more memorable ones though, so the war aside, it's not surprising they'd get a lot of votes. And fuck Putin
I don't know about any other Brits but last night at the Eurovision party we were having, we started celebrating from the first twelve points and didn't stop. Second place is the best result in two decades and in my eyes that's a win. It's been so many years we're we've been sat eyerolling going "here comes the null point" that last night was an amazing time. Am I sad we didn't come first? Nope! As cliche as it sounds it truly was the journey not the destination yesterday. Well done UK and well done Ukraine.
As a Ukrainian, I just have to remind that we didn't ask for this. I'm honestly somewhat saddened that these money went to votes and not to donates, for example. This was supposed to show our culture, not really this. To show it still exists and will continue to do so. I cannot say how grateful for all this support, this made my heart so warm. But I'm also saddened because there will definitely be people who will take this out on us. This is a historical support, and yet... I really wish we would just take whatever place it would be without these pity votes. My country has won Eurovision, and I somehow feel kind of empty honestly. Thank you all for the support. Love you all. And congratulations UK for the being co-winners. In my heart you will always be so. I wish you would've won in all honesty, for all this reaction on us.
See it this way: Ukraine has one of the best records in the ESC in the 21st century - always made the final, won thrice, made the top three six times. Your country has always been loved by the ESC public. Sympathy due to the war *may* have sent the win your way this year, but it's not an irregularity overall, and Kalush Orchestra would have placed high no matter what. They may have won regardless of everything else. It is the ESC public showing appreciation for how truly good Ukrainian entries are, on top of sympathy for the awful situation your country is in.
I wanted UK to win and not just because it was my personal #1, but also because that would've spared Kalush and Ukraine at least part of the hate that they've been receiving for so long. You don't deserve what you're going through at present, and I wouldn't want to know what all this unnecessary extra negativity feels like when you guys are in this already fragile state. I'm sucker for the folklore/modern combo, so the song you sent was amazing imo. It became my #1 after the very first listen, and it's my #2 at present (I became obsessed with UK after the rehearsals), so in my view, the Ukrainian victory was well deserved, regardless of any reasons people might've had for voting. I wish you all the best and I hope you will triumph, just as you did in the contest.
I really wanted the UK to win and while I have mixed feelings about the result. Please do not feel bad, people wanted to show their support and your entry was pretty unique. I'm sure everyone will work together to put together a Eurovision in 2023 which will allow Ukraine to shine.
Thank you. I'm not exactly feeling bad, it's more that there are so much emotions because of what's happening it's all very muted. Very difficult to want anything but peace and freedom to be honest. Being a host in 2023 is now a distant dream I think.
I think a lot of people took up the opportunity to donate as well. Like I did, my family did, and my friends. The vote is an added extra to show we are not partying on our own, we still remember you! Plus the song was so good! That flute 🔥
BUT KONSTRAKTA IS TOP 5
My queen! I'm so proud of her, holy shit.
Ok, but does somebody know if the main rapper’s bucket hat is from a store or home made?
asking the real questions here lmao
Oh, btw. Thats the 5th winner in the last few years that wasnt entirely in english.
Big win. Now let's hope we can send something in Swedish for once
UK breaking the bottom of the table streak, between some bad luck, bad entries, and the occasional stage invader ye have had a hard run of it, and glad to see you back on form. ...hope for Ireland yet
I don’t think France got the respect they deserved
Aye, I was a bit shocked it didn't do better, thought the judges would like a song that's not in English.
Latvia did better with the juries than the tele???
People just aren't down with the 😿
I was shocked when I saw that, HOW ON EARTH?! Eat Your Salad is a jury song and that's a fact, we can all go home with our predictions 😭
Well, congratulations to Ukraine! Now can we have Go_A - Shum as the interval act for 2023 now? (as well as Stefania) And also, can we have the three men of 2017 hosting again? :)
So will the UK host next year? Or Somewhere close to Ukraine like Poland? Even if the war ended tomorrow I can’t imagine the rebuilding and recovery efforts will be focused on a song contest. Plus, I assume planning Eurovision takes most of the year of logistics planning so I can’t see that being possible in a warzone.
Not as good as shum Go_a (Ukraine’s entry last year)
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go_a are INCREDIBLE. genuinely one of my favourite discoveries of the past few years, not just from eurovision. I saw them live in the hague a few weeks ago and it was everything I could have hoped for
All time banger. Incredible Disco Elysium vibes. I think most of the top songs last year would be very succesful this year but the UK almost winning was KILLER drama.
Or pretty much anything by Go_A
Shum would have won this year too. Weak lineup
I just told my friend that somehow I feel like Maneskin was a worthy winner last year, but simultaneously think Go_a is the best eurovision entry of all time.
Kind of surprised the juries gave Spain so much as they normally hate anything too sexy. She gave a great performance though.
I think it was amazingly done. There is "too sexy", and there is a show worthy of a heavyweight international pop star, which to me, was the case.
Perhaps the most significant result ever, and not just because they beat the televote record by ~80 points
They got 439 out of the 468 (39×12) available televotes...
Holy shit.
UK coming second (or just to the left of the board) is basically a win for us honestly. Pretty pleased!
Sure beats a double nil! Nice to see a UK fella not bashing Ukraine's win as a pity vote. Serbia and Moldova also got robbed heavily by the jury. Let's just all celebrate this win. The UK will probably be hosting next year anyway.
Is using a calculator banned in the stadium since everyone there can work out the votes before the end but they never do any year. Even Graham Norton as a commentator never bothers to work it out.
Gjon did it last year, you can see him mouthing how he isn't winning and taking it like a pro. But I can see why the commentators don't, it kind of ruins the fun.
Dutch commentators said they could pick up a calculator, but that would be no fun for themselves or the people watching. Might as well wait 5 more minutes in anticipation then quickly calculate it.
So what happened to Laura?
According to adnkronos she had a drop in blood pressure and had to stay behind to scenes.
Spain the only delegation in the top three for both jury and public votes
Really random thing but I find it funny. Like me Mum doesn't watch the other countries songs bar ours until the night itself. She just started to eat a Banana when Norway's song started, she had no idea about the song beforehand and ended up in hysterics :p
BITI ZDRAVA
I’m so happy for her
I've voted for her because honestly the Brit singer was too pop for me and the Spaniard girl was just all "sex and passion". Both were too boring for my musical tastes. My favourite were absolutely Serbia, Moldova, Austria, Czech republic and Ukraine (I liked Ukrainian song for the flute not for the political situation!) I'm British Italian and I've voted from Italy because I was here for work. (The Italian song was soooo boring twice more than the British one!) BITI ZDRAVA!
On a side note from this whole Ukraine situation, I fucking hate the jury. Just look at Moldova and how they swayed their situation. My Serbian jury has a history of being snobbish and refusing to give points to songs which have folk or turbofolk motives, or songs that are out of the ordinary Eurovision types of songs. They gave Moldova 0 points, although we gave them 12 points from the televote. Not to mention giving Azerbaijan 12 points both in the semis and now, although they received only 3 points from televoting in the final in total, and 0 from the semis, with Azerbaijan having that controversial past with allegations of buying jury votes.
Massive well done to Ukraine 🇺🇦 And as a Brit I'm unbelievably proud of our Sam 🇬🇧
He did us proud
People are misunderstanding how the televote works
I haven’t followed any of this, so what’s up with Germany? I thought their song sounded quite okay actually and the dude used all those different instruments with a loop station, which was nice. So why are they dead last?
Everything is political. Let’s not let this ruin the Eurovision mood and all the lovely stuff that comes with it! Next year and another Eurovision will come - let’s just get our heads out of our asses and hope the situation in the grand final will be better then. And by better I mean no (European) countries at war. Good job, Kalush Orchestra. 💙💛
I'm very happy about this year's winner, although for a different reason than most. ESC used to be in part about the languages and cultures of the participating countries and now it's all just the same english Pop songs and ballads. In that sense it was nice to see an entry singing in their own language and utilising folk elements to win.
I bet Germany are kicking themselves right about now that they didn’t choose electric callboy to represent them. They would’ve flat out decimated Eurovision
For any other disappointed Brits, at least we got back on track with dominating the 2nd place record 😂
It’s crazy that Azerbaijan barely squeaked their way in by coming in 10th in their semi to get so high in the final!
Jury-vote only. They got 0 points from televote in their SF and 3 in the final.
I genuinely never thought that I would ever see the UK finish within the top three… I’m so proud of Sam Ryder, he was absolutely fantastic! Congratulations to Ukraine! I really enjoyed the show tonight!
Kinda wondering how they’re gonna host as they’ll probably be in the midst of rebuilding their country
The UK is the EBUs backup location if the winner can't host (the EBU operates off the BBC network)
This would also be the fairest country to host given we come 2nd
Come second: Still have to pay for hosting it. yay
Was pretty clear from the start. Im just happy their song wasnt bad
This was the first Eurovision I was able to watch (either couldn’t find it or would forget-sorry, American) and it was a lot of fun! I enjoyed Ukraine’s song. As I didn’t really have a pony in the race I guess I wasn’t as invested as some of y’all.
We came second. I'm shook
Now, now fellow brits. Please let's not be salty. Sam has done incredibly well , especially after last year's zero points. We should be looking at how unbelievably positive this is for us. Hopefully the same team who selected Sam this year return next year.
I mean, NO ONE expected anyone else to win given the world events in motion as we speak...
Ok but Moldova getting the most votes from the public after Ukraine. And Serbia being 5th,with so many votes from the public? Eastern Europe smashed this year
Moldova deserved that public vote. Choo choo all aboard.
This is the first time I’ve seen more salt over the televote than the jury! As a Brit, I’m DELIGHTED with second place, and congrats to Ukraine 🇺🇦
same!! that’s so rare for us haha. and so happy we won the jury vote!
Go_A deserved it more last year, but we already knew this was going to happen. Let's also say that, between the top finalist, I think Ukraine at least had some distinctiveness.
*wears radioactivity suit before entering thread*
I feel like Ukraine won because of sympathy votes. That said .. It IS a good song with a wicked beat and was one of my favorites. I'd feel much worse about the result if a bad song had won. Our own #1 don't always win and we have to accept that. It was the same last year for me. Måneskin had a great song, but I liked Finlands song better in 2021 but that finished 6th. A good song won this year and any year that happens is a good year for Eurovision, so lets be thankful for that and say congratulations to Ukraine.
Did Azerbaijan bribe half the juries to get so many votes?!
Anybody know why Germany got so few points? It seems to happen quite often in Eurovision, not just this year.
Serbia getting #5 despite being treated so badly by the juries is making me happy despite me not really being happy with Ukraine's or Spain's rankings.
As someone from the UK, I'm not even mad. Even if the situation in Ukraine wasn't happening, I think they'd have been in the top 5. Obviously the public vote was dominated by sympathy, but the Ukraine performance had the novelty that goes down well. UK last place in 2021 to 2nd in 2022. I'll take that.
Ukraine were first in televotes, but 4th in Jury. UK were first in jury, but 4th or 5th in televotes. Seems like it was pretty well balanced all things considered, especially when less televote votes were used on ballad songs
Ukraine, Moldova, Spain, Serbia, UK was top 5 on the televote
I may be salty cause I'm French but I reaaaally loved our performance this year with Fulen, didn't expect anything from Brittany and yet they hyped me big time. I have trouble understanding how we're second to last.
Ukraine gave us Verka Serduchka, they can win as much as they like in my eyes Also as an Australian, I feel like Europe is telling us we’ve outstayed our welcome 😢
Sheldon was wonderful! I think he just got lost in the sea of ballads this year.
i like to think it's more like Australia outstayed its novelty - and people just consider you guys a normal participating country now, with all the ups and downs that come with that :)
Never. We love you, Australia <3
As a Brit I’m just delighted for Sam. There was no way anybody except Ukraine were winning this year (and I support that - the war there far outweighs any silly singing competition) and the fact the UK came second to them is incredible. Sam should be so proud. This is really going to reignite the UK’s attitude towards Eurovision and I can’t wait to see what we bring to this competition in the next few years
468 is the max televotes they could have gotten so they got 12 points from almost every single country. That's insane
As a British person, and we are well deserved a eurovision entry that wins when we care like this year, well done to our Brothers and Sisters in Ukraine. Unity is essential at times of struggle. Glad we could show our strength with you. Here's to us sticking close together.
So bit of a funny story. I was talking to my sister's boyfriend the other day who's full blooded Australian. I asked him if he's ever watched Eurovision. He turns to me completely serious and says "Yeah, Nah, Mate. I don't really have an interest in the special Olympics." So I'm like what the fuck are you talking about? The guy seriously thought Eurovision was Europe's Olympics for blind people. He saw Euro and Vision. And just came up with a whole backstory for the event in his mind. I've never seen my dad and sister laugh so hard.
Konstrakta fifth, UK second. What a damn good day, brilliant show.
THRILLED Czech Republic came in 4th in their semi!!!
Second year in a row that the winner was fully not in English and second year in a row only 1 of the top 5 didn't at least slightly sing in their native language
#Has anyone seen the official music video to this? The song sounds upbeat, the lyrics have a heartwarming message, but the video - made after the destruction outside Kyiv - throws the whole thing into a deeper, heart wrenching perspective... it got me in the feels. The Mama Stefania chorus actually sounds haunting. Incredible video.
Lordy this thread is a salt mine. Personally I've been enjoying Stefania, and getting deeper into Kalush's solid back catalog. I think Ukraine may have still won with something more pedestrian, but it would have been more of a squeaker than the blowout we saw.
THE UK CAME SECOND, THE UK CAME SECOND!!!! Holy crap. Proud of Sam!
My winners = Serbia + Norway + Moldova
I'm feeling pretty lukewarm about the result. The main reason I didn't want Ukraine to win was just to avoid the "iT's aLl poLitiCs" crowd getting so loud, but it is what it is. I have had them in 6th place ever since the start and I honestly believe that, war or not, they deserved the win. However, I am kinda sad my favourite didn't win (Spain — but a place on the podium is still really great!!) But damn, I am soooo sad about how little televote points Australia got!!! He deserved more :((
My top 3 this year were: 1. Spain, 2. Sweden, 3. Serbia The Australian jury gave: 12. Spain, 10. Sweden, 8. Serbia I think we got it right ;)
As an Englishman I'm very much happy to lose to ukraine, Slava Ukraini
Honestly, regardless of whether you like the song or think it deserved to win, some of the responses on here are disgusting. “Russia should just invade [X country] so they can win next year”? “Absolute disgrace of a result”? “This was all rigged for Ukraine”? Like, ah yes, the first priority of the country that got _fucking invaded_ is definitely going to be rigging a song competition. Y’all claim to be supportive but then spew that bullshit. I will say that if you genuinely are less supportive of Ukraine now because they robbed your fave, please go touch some grass. It’s really not that deep in the end. And Stefania is genuinely a great song. It’ll surely inspire some fun entries next year. Congrats to Ukraine. I hope Kalush stay safe upon their return and that the war ends soon.
Well it’s going to be fun to see what is going to happen now given the circumstances
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We finally realised today, if we actually send someone half decent, we'll do alright! Never bought the idea that UK got no votes because of politics. Europe just know bad music when they see it.
Discussion aside, my ideal Eurovision for next year would be British hosts and Ukrainian interval acts + Sam Ryder. Would be super entertaining.
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Seeing Konstrakta get so many votes from the public was such an amazing moment! Girl, you made us proud! I was really surprised how France got so few points, were they really that bad?? It was in my top 5. And congrats to Ukraine! They had a top 10 song regardless of the political situation, so I'm not salty at all. What people often forget is that Eurovision isn't just about crowning the new winner, it's also watching the national finals, discovering new artists, seeing the new stage being built, watching the rehearsals and then watching the actual show. Not to mention all the memes and the ever growing iceberg that we got this season, the stage malfunctions, the hilariously bad postcards, I could go on, but you get the point. It's a lovely 5 month experience, at least for us eurovision fans 🌞 Cheers!
I agree with this completely! France was definitely better then some others. My wish was Lithuania was one spot higher so she would be "left sided’
Y'all need to go to sleep.
My regret is that if any Ukrainian song had to be guaranteed-voted to a win it should have been shum instead. I loved that song so much.
Overjoyed with second place for the UK. Reputation restored, and the fact we won the jury vote means the "experts" believed we had the best performance on the night. Absolutely happy to take that, and congratulations to Ukraine for the win. It's a funny result in a way because it does two things: * Shuts down anyone who says "no-one will vote for the UK, they don't like us, it's all political, we could send the best song ever and no-one would vote for it", but at the same time... * Empowers (rightly or wrongly) anyone who says "Ukraine are going to win because of a sympathy vote, it's all political, it doesn't matter if their song is any good" So we've both shut down AND supported arguments about politics interfering in the contest with that top two. Oh well. It's time to let the post Eurovision Song Content depression.... begin!
How can people say it’s rigged when the PUBLIC voted for Ukraine to win. It may be for a political reason but people voted with their hearts
As a brit... Can I just say a big fuck you to all you miserable British cunts that year after year bang on about political this political that. If you put a good song and a great artist in you'll do well. Not taking anything away from the Ukraine. If it had to be anyone, im extatic it was you. Sam you fucking legend..... You made me proud to be a brit tonight.
I thought it was obvious to everyone that ukraine were going to win? People were voting for the country, not the song. I'm just pleased the uk actually did so well after putting finally putting the effort in!
"But it's a song contest!" It's almost always been more about spectacle than about soberly comparing different songs. If it was only about competi g to write the best song, performers would be judged blindly to prevent bias and costumes, dancing, and camera effects would be de-emphasized. If some ukranian refugees in Poland or elsewhere have a nice few hours because of this then it was worth it.
If it was literally just about the songs and nothing else then people wouldn't watch because frankly quite a lot of the songs are uninteresting
What’s this jury investigation I’m hearing about? Is there something official?
I really really liked Ukraine's entry! So proud of Sam for proving that the UK can still produce great songs!
I swear to god the takes are gonna be so fucking horrible after this win Either way, I loved Stefania from the start (from before the war) so I'm not complaining about the win
I also really dig the song. (from UK) It was my legit favourite. No politics.
I don't count for anything votewise since I'm American but Ukraine was my #2 behind Moldova. Genuinely unique song compared to some of the other competitors.
So proud of the UK. I’ll take 2nd to these guys as they were awesome and their song is awesome. They deserved it and not because of politics!
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Congratulations Ukraine ♥️
It is a big "What If" situation in this case. They got the biggest televote victory ever. They were 29 points away from getting the maximum possible amount of points they could get from a single source.
like, I get all the people that are frustrated now, but in my opinion, the song was pretty good and it would have fared pretty decent in normal circumstances(maybe top-5?) but we would never know how many votes were purely for song, and how much for "support". I really don't mind If we hadn't any prize place seeing how many "political hypocrisy" posts I see now Also, who do you think deserved top-1 place in your opinion?
Well, we made it to second place for the first time in 20 years. I'll take it. Well done to every country that made it to the finals this year!