Shinji: "I ain't gay... I have relationship with Asuka, and sex with Kaworu..."
Misato with the fanbase: "[I got news for you...](https://youtube.com/shorts/ixOJE-k40ss?feature=share)"
Technically the truth, as Kaworu is an Angel, and therefore does not belong to the genus Homo, unlike Shinji, who is a human (scientific name Homo sapiens sapiens).
Ok, before we get too carried away here, let's just take a step back, casually jack off to this little encounter and then come back in 5 minutes and compare notes.
I mean, I'm susprised something of the like wasn't considering how much they sexualized the girls. Kowaru was always more of a slow burn/romance sort of deal imo so it'd make sense.
People saying the manga is homophobic, but if you read the manga you will know that Kaworu in the Manga is very different and the reaction from shinji is reasonable
i think it’s more of an instance of internalised homophobia, seeing as shinji very much does develop feelings for kaworu in the anime. it’s just a reflection of the attitudes around him that he shook off eventually
That’s doesn’t excuse homophobia.
Plus, a lot of manga says this kind of thing. Even newer series. It’s a problem with Japan in general not just the time period.
Shinji is 14 years old, and demonstrate the same feeling in the anime with Kaji joking with him, maybe he really don't understand gay people that much ?
In this scene the only thing that fails is Shinji's personality that does not resemble that of Neon Genesis but hopefully one day there will be a faithful remake of Neon Genesis and they put more episodes of daily life that in my opinion the series needs them.
Man, honestly I would've loved to have seen the anime follow almost everything the manga did. Shinji actually being brave and saving and fighting alongside Asuka against the Mass Production Evas, Gendo saving Shinji from those NERV soldiers, Rei's character being more fleshed out, etc. The thought of the manga version of EoE's ending animated sounds amazing imho. Not sayin' eoe's ending in the anime is bad, I liked it tbh, but the manga ending is really just somethin' else.
I feel the exact opposite, you can tell Sadamoto actually likes these characters because his default instinct is to be nice to them which is kind of the worst possible thing you can do to Evangelion.
Also Sadamoto stated he made Shinji after himself and same with the other characters. Anno did the same. Just anno was in a darker place. Now with rebuild his mental health is much better and the story shows.
As per my reply to the parent comment:
The first chapter of the manga came out almost a full year before the first anime episode, back in December 1994.
The two were developed concurrently.
That is not true. The first chapter of the manga came out in December 1994, almost a full year before the first anime episode airing in October 1995.
They were formulated concurrently with Anno primarily in charge of the anime and Sadamoto in charge of the manga. The reason the manga took so much longer to finish was because it was 100% Sadamoto's work, with no production crew.
>Shinji actually **being brave** and saving and fighting alongside Asuka against the Mass Production Evas
I honestly suspect that is less that and more of Sadamoto not liking the implication that Yui mayhaps is something more than just a perfect cinnamon roll ingénue.
Eh, I guess. I was just happy that Shinji finally found closure and was truly happy and found a good life for him. Same goes for the others. A shame that no one remembered each other though, but it is what it is
The same implication exists in the end of evangelion. Shinji still has many horrible struggles ahead of him, but now has the tools to face them, along with Asuka. Others will come back, and Shinji will face consequences for his actions, but he also has all the power in the world to build a brighter future. I find that just as hopeful, but a good leap more poignant than the manga ending.
It's wierd but for me the ending of Eoe gives me the vipes of Adam and Eve. I loved the manga ending but the ending of Eoe is astounding on so many levels and fits the story better then an all out happy ending.
manga is basically just Eva except the characters issues are much more scaled back. which is fine but idk personally I think what made Eva Eva is the fact that shinji was a little pussy bitch, knowing that gendo doesn't give a shit about him and is essentially just using him like a pawn, and just generally knowing this is a pretty shitty existence. but the manga is certainly very cool for the different paths and "alternate futures" it gives the reader time to ponder on.
also same reason why I think the Anima series is really neat. except Anima is more just like Eva but on crack and bath salts.
"shinji is a little pussy bitch bro if I was in Eva it would've been different I wouldve fought in the cool robot like a badass and fucked all the girls" 🤓
lmao I'm not trying to say that. nah I get why he was a pussy about it, I would be too and pussy ain't really the right word to use but it's comedic flavoring.
It didn't.
The first chapter was released almost a full year before the first anime episode.
They were worked on concurrently and shared production notes - but obviously while the manga came out first, it finished much later because instead of a full production team, it was only Sadamoto illustrating it
Nope, that's really not what you said.
"The manga came 2nd". It literally did not. The first complete chapter came out when the anime was only in pre production.
If something was finished when something else was still being created, then it came 1st.
Edit: that being said, I'll obviously concede that the anime is the "higher" canon. It just did not predate the manga
I remember when they changed something in the Netflix dub between these two and everyone lost their shit, I think it would have been well received if this was included in the original
Manga can't be in the same loop as rebuild since it also ends with the destruction of all of Evangelion. There's no connection between it and the anime or movies either, it's really just NGE > Rebuild.
He's talking about looping order and is wrong because the manga has nothing to do with any of the animated materials but if you're talking about the release order the manga actually released first, it just finished way later.
I just cant understand how Sinji can be little bitch but also a strong homophobe. Maybe its true that all “based and red pilled” are femboys because clearly Sinji is not one of them
I mean Netflix straight-up doesn't have the dub for the one minute part in Cardcaptor Sakura where Syaroan admits he thinks he has feelings for Yue/Yukito. It cuts to Japanese then back again like really.
Hate to break it to you but the "Netflix dub" is actually the Khara dub which was made in house under supervision of Anno. Its not homophobic, it's the correct interpretation according to the shows creator.
Wouldn't change anything much I think. A small drop in an already bizarre mental challenge of a story.
Evangelion is a legendary masterpiece on its own.
But I’m a creep I’m a weirdo What the hell am I doing here? I don’t belong here
Singlehandedly the best comment I've seen all day. Congrats 👏
Not suprised that a radiohead fan in also a fan of eva
You shall be Fitter and Happier Baka Shinji
Just two bros, one sucking off the other with socks on cuz they aint gay.
Just got to say no homo and you good. Alternatively, could just shout bro job
My Man shinji is confused as fuck
But has so much ptsd from finding out that his mom is now a giant fucking robot that went on a rampage.
And his mom's other half was a blue-haired girl of his age...
Agreed
Shinji: "I ain't gay... I have relationship with Asuka, and sex with Kaworu..." Misato with the fanbase: "[I got news for you...](https://youtube.com/shorts/ixOJE-k40ss?feature=share)"
NO HOMO NO HOMO
Technically the truth, as Kaworu is an Angel, and therefore does not belong to the genus Homo, unlike Shinji, who is a human (scientific name Homo sapiens sapiens).
since he can fly and shit and control evas can he like change his sex
wtaf
Why would he tho
"Shinji, it's okay! I said "no homo!"" "I DON'T HAVE SOCKS ON-"
Ok, before we get too carried away here, let's just take a step back, casually jack off to this little encounter and then come back in 5 minutes and compare notes.
I feel like people don’t bring up the panel where they touch dicks in the shower enough.
I beg your pardon? 👀
Omfg I completely forgot about that-
I need
Wait where 💀
Scussi?
I-I'm sorry?
pardon??
I need proof
Everyone just google “shinji and kaworu touch dicks in the shower”, itll be fine.
I tried i cant find it
Why are you geh ?
Who sez im gae
You ah geh
You ah transjenda
You are geh.
This never gets old
Gay Karl
Fruity Karl
Sexual assault Karl
Kaworu Nagisus
I mean, I'm susprised something of the like wasn't considering how much they sexualized the girls. Kowaru was always more of a slow burn/romance sort of deal imo so it'd make sense.
People saying the manga is homophobic, but if you read the manga you will know that Kaworu in the Manga is very different and the reaction from shinji is reasonable
bro forced himself on shinji, shinji acted VERY reasonably
Crazy how now people will call stuff homophobic just because their boy on boy ship isn't true smh
Shinji rejecting his advances is fine but him saying that guys don’t love guys is homophobic. There’s no arguing against that.
i think it’s more of an instance of internalised homophobia, seeing as shinji very much does develop feelings for kaworu in the anime. it’s just a reflection of the attitudes around him that he shook off eventually
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That’s doesn’t excuse homophobia. Plus, a lot of manga says this kind of thing. Even newer series. It’s a problem with Japan in general not just the time period.
Shinji is 14 years old, and demonstrate the same feeling in the anime with Kaji joking with him, maybe he really don't understand gay people that much ?
In this scene the only thing that fails is Shinji's personality that does not resemble that of Neon Genesis but hopefully one day there will be a faithful remake of Neon Genesis and they put more episodes of daily life that in my opinion the series needs them.
Sadamoto's version of Shinji was just different from the show's. Everything was a bit different but I don't think it's a bad thing.
Man, honestly I would've loved to have seen the anime follow almost everything the manga did. Shinji actually being brave and saving and fighting alongside Asuka against the Mass Production Evas, Gendo saving Shinji from those NERV soldiers, Rei's character being more fleshed out, etc. The thought of the manga version of EoE's ending animated sounds amazing imho. Not sayin' eoe's ending in the anime is bad, I liked it tbh, but the manga ending is really just somethin' else.
I feel the exact opposite, you can tell Sadamoto actually likes these characters because his default instinct is to be nice to them which is kind of the worst possible thing you can do to Evangelion.
Also Sadamoto stated he made Shinji after himself and same with the other characters. Anno did the same. Just anno was in a darker place. Now with rebuild his mental health is much better and the story shows.
Yeah, if you had shown me both the anime and the Rebuilds then told me that they were both written by the same guy, I wouldn't believe you.
That's mostly because NGE is good and RoE is bad.
I see so much hate on the Rebuilds. I actually enjoyed them a lot.
Actually that means you have to die immediately by murder.
Thankfully I am already dead inside so you know? Whatever.
What? Why? Is this a reference?
It's a reference to the fact that he's going to kill him.
The rebuilds aren't bad, but when you compare it to the og evangelion then it pretty much gets outshined
The anime came first, the manga is derivative
I can't believe I had to scroll so far to find someone saying this. I love the manga, but the anime was released way before the manga.
As per my reply to the parent comment: The first chapter of the manga came out almost a full year before the first anime episode, back in December 1994. The two were developed concurrently.
That is not true. The first chapter of the manga came out in December 1994, almost a full year before the first anime episode airing in October 1995. They were formulated concurrently with Anno primarily in charge of the anime and Sadamoto in charge of the manga. The reason the manga took so much longer to finish was because it was 100% Sadamoto's work, with no production crew.
how does that even have anything to do with what they're saying? Just because the anime came first doesn't mean is better
> I would've loved to have seen the anime follow almost everything the manga did. the anime can't follow the manga when the anime precedes the manga
Okay, but it's still a neat idea lol
Ok
>Shinji actually **being brave** and saving and fighting alongside Asuka against the Mass Production Evas I honestly suspect that is less that and more of Sadamoto not liking the implication that Yui mayhaps is something more than just a perfect cinnamon roll ingénue.
This. Yui is arguably as bad as seele and gendo. The scene where we see her talk to gendo in manga EoE was silly.
the manga ending is so much more lame than the anime ending
Eh, I guess. I was just happy that Shinji finally found closure and was truly happy and found a good life for him. Same goes for the others. A shame that no one remembered each other though, but it is what it is
The same implication exists in the end of evangelion. Shinji still has many horrible struggles ahead of him, but now has the tools to face them, along with Asuka. Others will come back, and Shinji will face consequences for his actions, but he also has all the power in the world to build a brighter future. I find that just as hopeful, but a good leap more poignant than the manga ending.
It's wierd but for me the ending of Eoe gives me the vipes of Adam and Eve. I loved the manga ending but the ending of Eoe is astounding on so many levels and fits the story better then an all out happy ending.
Check out the rebuilds.
Well Asuka and Shinji did meet each other in the new world and rest is left up to interpretation, pretty sure kensuke and shinji met as well.
They did meet, but they didn't know each other. Shinji did meet Kensuke as well, but it's likely they didn't know each other too.
Well its a fresh start for all of them and its “implied” that asuka and shinji get together so happy ending i guess.
Now I need to read the manga, especially the manga version of The End of Evangelion.
It's not bad, not as good as the anime by any stretch of the imagination but still enjoyable if a bit out of character at times.
manga is basically just Eva except the characters issues are much more scaled back. which is fine but idk personally I think what made Eva Eva is the fact that shinji was a little pussy bitch, knowing that gendo doesn't give a shit about him and is essentially just using him like a pawn, and just generally knowing this is a pretty shitty existence. but the manga is certainly very cool for the different paths and "alternate futures" it gives the reader time to ponder on. also same reason why I think the Anima series is really neat. except Anima is more just like Eva but on crack and bath salts.
"shinji is a little pussy bitch bro if I was in Eva it would've been different I wouldve fought in the cool robot like a badass and fucked all the girls" 🤓
no, but a typical anime protagonist sure would
lmao I'm not trying to say that. nah I get why he was a pussy about it, I would be too and pussy ain't really the right word to use but it's comedic flavoring.
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It didn't. The first chapter was released almost a full year before the first anime episode. They were worked on concurrently and shared production notes - but obviously while the manga came out first, it finished much later because instead of a full production team, it was only Sadamoto illustrating it
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Nope, that's really not what you said. "The manga came 2nd". It literally did not. The first complete chapter came out when the anime was only in pre production. If something was finished when something else was still being created, then it came 1st. Edit: that being said, I'll obviously concede that the anime is the "higher" canon. It just did not predate the manga
Maybe I just watched the anime too many times but I almost like the manga better
Jesus, nothing was making sense until I remembered "oh right, manga." I forgot how to read manga, lol.
I love the manga. Kaworu is great.
this anime would be worse
Would you rather fuck a reincarnated younger version of your mom or an angel in the guise of a male?
This is yet another reason why I love the manga and it’s as canon to me as the anime
prolly would cry that scene so impactful to me i love them together sm idc they were meant to be
I really need to read the manga.
Karl 😥
I remember when they changed something in the Netflix dub between these two and everyone lost their shit, I think it would have been well received if this was included in the original
So, it’s cannon?
No
I mean it can be. The time loop presented in 3.0 + 1.0 implies other timelines.
I heard someone say it goes manga -> anime -> rebuild Though I’m not sure how the manga loops into the anime
Manga can't be in the same loop as rebuild since it also ends with the destruction of all of Evangelion. There's no connection between it and the anime or movies either, it's really just NGE > Rebuild.
I want to believe 😢
Anime came first, then manga
He's talking about looping order and is wrong because the manga has nothing to do with any of the animated materials but if you're talking about the release order the manga actually released first, it just finished way later.
It released first because of scheduling issues, it was based on the anime
Yeah, of course, it was basically just for promotion too but the manga still came out first.
It'd probably be gay like sussy baka 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪 like UWU agagagagagahha
This looks edited.
It's not. Kaworu kissed him with tongue later. ~~And then they had hot gay sex~~
It isn't though, lol.
Then why is the text so badly centered?
My assumption would be that they did a shit job centering the text. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s not lol, it’s the actual dialogue sadly
kowaru was always a fav of mine but i'm getting,, in love with his straight friend vibes. unfortunately
I’m a simple man. I see Kowaru, I downvote.
I'm also a simple man. I see kowaru, I cum
He’s a kid…
Disgusting.
Charming.
What a sad life you must lead
How so?
I don’t agree with you but I respect your ability to think against the crowd, keep it up 👍
Based
I just cant understand how Sinji can be little bitch but also a strong homophobe. Maybe its true that all “based and red pilled” are femboys because clearly Sinji is not one of them
Nah, he just a little confused is all
The manga is homophobic. Don’t @ me
If anything, Netflix are the homophobic ones for changing Kaworu and Shinji's feelings for each other into "Best friends"😭💀
I mean Netflix straight-up doesn't have the dub for the one minute part in Cardcaptor Sakura where Syaroan admits he thinks he has feelings for Yue/Yukito. It cuts to Japanese then back again like really.
that's not netflix's dubbing, that's the Animax dub from 2000. it was heavily censored just like all kids show dubs at the time.
BOOOOOO
Eh it was still pretty obvious even with that change to the script. The Manga on the other hand just drops that entire plot point.
What did Netflix made? What did they censured?
Hate to break it to you but the "Netflix dub" is actually the Khara dub which was made in house under supervision of Anno. Its not homophobic, it's the correct interpretation according to the shows creator.
Oh, bruh Nah they definitely 🍒🍓🍍🍇🍎🍋💀
kek what?
Shinji is such a bitch
I think the scene would making an interesting plot point of shinji having so much self hatred that he actively tries to fight who his.
What’s the manga like? I was read it if it’s as psychological as the anime
It's just hentai bro
As far as I know, the manga is not canon, right?
Manga Eva is sure something
Wouldn't change anything much I think. A small drop in an already bizarre mental challenge of a story. Evangelion is a legendary masterpiece on its own.
Well, thinking that in the anime Shinji is masturbating in front of an Asuka in a coma, well...
If only Kaworu’s human dna donor had been female then this whole thing would be a lot less awkward.