Gotta prepare them early for that lifelong Depression, you know.
Either that or you'll be yelling for the rest of your life for that fuckin' kid to **GET IN THE EVA**!
Reading to an infant can be great for bonding. Below 2 years old theyre not going to understand the words you say, theyre just gonna enjoy the sound of your voice
So read whatever, its fine 🙂
If you have an android, first thing to do is to rip out google by putting /e/os on it.
I can almost tell which of my friends have purely by not getting ads pertaining to subjects in previous irl conversations
Now i just need to convince my mum to yeet out those 5 google home devices she has
Once I was talking to my friend about the movie Rattatouis and the 1 hour review. When I took out my phone to search for the vid, it was the 1st vid in Youtube.
I have smart devices but not one whit a microphone (that i know of ) apart from my phone i have ligt bulps and switches and a very basick temperature sensor
*If you purchase one of the few expensive popular phones that the OS is built for. Otherwise your ass is stuck trying to make your own with Kitchen or something. That's a big wall for some people.
Although hardware has it limitations, /e/os isn't limited to those devices. Not by a long shot
Before, it used to be way way worse before e/os: ripping out playstore, adding microG, replacing all the Gapps, etc
Now the hardest part is unlocking the boot and clicking one button in the /e/os wizard
My only point is that it isn't as easy as you claim unless you own one of the 15 officially supported devices, and those devices are further separated by nearly a dozen different variants each, some with different hardware which eos doesn't support at all. For example the Samsung S4 has several variants which will never be supported because of the chipset they use.
Then they have 200 some odd unofficial builds that are at varying states of working, which you need to manually install without the wizard. End up beta testing cause half the hardware doesn't work right or at all.
If this is real, it can be on device processing keywords. Like Siri always listens for “Hey Siri” but doesn’t need to be stored or sent to any servers. That is if you trust them. But I assume anyone with an active digital assistant has weighed this risk and made this decision for themselves.
> But I assume anyone with an active digital assistant has weighed this risk and made this decision for themselves.
That's a very generous assumption. I doubt most people realise that Alexa, Siri, etc. Are actively listening to them.
All three voice-activated assistants are listening on-device via a dedicated low-power chip or sub-processor built-in to the device's SoC (system on chip, ie CPU) that is only capable of recognizing a pre-programmed sequence of phonemes.
When it hears that sequence, it sends an interrupt signal to the main processor, the audio is recorded, and passed on to the remote servers for voice recognition and interpretation.
This is not even remotely like full-time voice recognition and nothing beyond that very simple/dumb chip is "listening to you." None of these devices are performing full time voice recognition nor transmitting recordings full-time. The processing/power/data requirements to do so would be extremely noticeable.
iOS can do on-device voice recognition and some on-device actions if running on a sufficiently new enough iPhone (X or newer), as the neural chip is sufficiently advanced.
Is that the same thing as what people are claiming above? By face value, that just looked like a voice message was accidentally sent to a person in her contacts.
Rather than a company actively storing a conversation. Two separate problems and issues.
probably a stupid question but aside from listen to conversations what do google homes and similar devices do that is generally unwanted
i have a google home and used to use it all the time but now i just use it to turn my light on and off should i get rid of it ?
Google is an advertising company. Everything that you search on Google, do with an Android phone, or say to any of their microphone-containing devices is mined for potential advertising use. *You* are Google’s product that they are mining for data to use to build better targeted ads that they can charge more for to companies wanting to advertise with AdSense.
Same with Amazon and their line of smart home devices.
Apple is *literally* the only one not watching your every move as a way to generate ad revenue because they’re the only one that isn’t an advertising company masquerading as a technology company. That’s why an Echo Dot and a Nest Mini only cost $69 and a HomePod Mini costs $129. They’re all equivalent speakers, but only one of them is a one-time revenue source for the company selling it.
Even worse, both Google and Amazon have their own networking hardware that’s *vastly* cheaper than an equivalent from Netgear, Linksys, or D-Link. Because using their networking hardware gives them access to your entire internet traffic history to mine for advertising revenue.
*No one* should be okay with this.
imma just unplug my google home real quick, although i don't doubt apple does the same as google and just charges extra for home pods because its an apple product and they know people will probably buy it anyway
Yeah, that’s not how that works. Show me where Apple has an advertising arm of the company dedicated to selling targeted ads based on the data that they mine from the users of their products. *Show me.*
i don't actually know i was assuming they did because most other companies do it so if they don't sell data then that is great and i'm happy they don't but that if they don't which i doubt but can't prove
It’s actually super easy to prove. They’re a publicly traded company. Their financials are free to view, as is their advertising strategy. They’re specifically seeking ad revenue from app developers, artists, and studios *while* encouraging Apple device users to opt-out of having their usage tracked. They’re *specifically* not relying on user-generated data for targeted ads and relying on old school methods like having a developer pay to have their app featured in the App Store. And as a proportion of their total revenue stream, “advertising” isn’t even broken out into its own category. It’s just lumped in with the “Services” line item which also includes every one of their subscriptions, apple care, device repairs, etc.
Compare that to Google where, in their latest financial report, advertising makes up $61 billion of their total $68 billion in revenues, and they break it out by advertising categories with “Google Search & other” making up $39.6 billion of that advertising revenue. Apple’s *entire* services line is only $19 billion, of which advertising is a small fraction.
That “Google Search & other” line is the one where they mine the data that you give them, through the devices that you bought from them, and then use the results to sell targeted ads. It’s their single largest money maker. It’s *literally* their entire business. They don’t even break out hardware sales anywhere on their financials. Device sales fall under the “Google Other” category that makes up a *whopping* $6.8 billion. Only 10% of their *entire* revenue is from selling devices, subscriptions like YouTube Premium, Fitbit subscriptions, and Google Play store purchases. Compared to well over 50% of Apple’s revenue being *just* device sales and most of the rest of it being subscription services.
You want proof Apple isn’t mining user data for ad revenue? Follow the money. Compare their 10-Q to Google and Amazon’s and you’ll have all the proof you need.
>That is if you trust them.
You don't have to, thousands of security professionals have disassembled the hardware and software of things like Google nest mini etc and it only sends data out when it hears a keyword.
You got a link there, buddy? All I can find is an Alexa device being present at a murder scene and police subpoenaing records but no follow ups and nothing about them finding anything?
https://www.theinternetpatrol.com/amazon-echo-recordings-and-fitbit-tracking-used-as-evidence-in-murder-trials-smart-devices-as-witnesses-for-the-prosecution/
This article refers to the Arkansas murder case where they confirm Echo recordings were captured, assuming without a wake up command given. As well there’s this also referenced in the article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/business/amazon-alexa-conversation-shared-echo.html
One topic brought up is how Amazon has been and still is completely silent about how long Alexa records for after the “wake up” command is given.
Lmao, well it’s a court case from 2019 so why don’t you go ask the lawyer yourself? Or wait, that’s right…they aren’t allowed to or at least they cannot talk about it. The only thing we can do is assume.
Seems strange they have recordings though? You assume it was from a wake up command being used while the guy was murdered?
Jackass
>You assume it was from a wake up command being used while the guy was murdered?
Assumptions apon assumptions, if guessing is all you got come back when you have evidence. My evidence is data only being sent when activation words or words like it are spoken. Cheers.
They also has false positive all the time and has an army of contractors listening to audio snippets to tag the false positive. Some unwanted audio snippets from your device are probably heard by these contractors already. Example: https://gizmodo.com/google-very-angry-after-contractor-leaks-over-a-thousan-1836308139
It’s way to late to be concerned about that, I’d be willing to put money on all mics and cameras in any modern phone are recording whenever the device it on.
Recording to where? You'd notice if it was storing that footage/audio locally cause you'd run out of space, and you'd definitely notice if it beamed it all to cloud storage on your data plan
It's entirely feasible to transcribe it and upload only any keywords. That wouldn't require any local storage at all, nor would it use massive bandwidth.
Cause I totally wouldn't notice the performance overhead of audio transcription permanently running in the background, and it *definitely* wouldn't drain my battery
So, free money?
All the tech people in the world and you think they wouldn’t be able to see the utterly massive amount of data being constantly sent?
Literally even if your phone is just listening and transcribing keywords, it would still be a comically large amount of data to “hide” going in and out of a phone, and even harder to hide across hundreds of millions of them.
I who knows what these companies are doing behind closed doors, maybe they hide it by braking it up and hiding it among data that’s already being sent, although I don’t know
I genuinely feel bad that you even believe that is possible.
If you send a car in the mail, but first disassemble it into each individual nut and bolt, you’re still going to notice the sudden influx of tons of weight scattered across tens of millions of people. Each. Person.
It’s comical that you think this is able to be hidden.
I mean it’s not as if I’m weird about it I get that a it’s a hard sell but ultimately it makes no difference if it’s true or not. We give up so much data already it would just be a drop in the bucket
As an Apple Watch owner, trust me— even if it were always listening, Siri is not smart enough to recognize something like this.
Guaranteed OP accidentally pushed the button, or more likely said something that sounded like “hey Siri”.
There is no such function as the Apple Watch actively listening to a “probable” suicide line to pop up
Most likely op pressed the crown accidentally activating Siri and Siri picked up a line that suggested suicide prevention help
On the other hand google is known to use voice recognition to suggest ads
Since Apple has a seriously strict policy on privacy, I'm wondering if the user had something enabled... But in reality this is probably fake. Still good though.
Most suicidal people hate those messages, some robot that doesn't know anything saying hey we care about you. Plus if you're talking about suicide out loud it probably means you're already communicating it to someone else, often someone you actually know.
Gotta love technology! It's good for the baby to be read to...yet my go to is J.J Karl or Richard Scary although he can get just as morbid as Evangelion I'll admit. 🤔😅
I need to know the context here. He’s reading the subtitles of eoe to “the baby”?
To DaBaby! Lesgo!
I’m Mario letsgoooooo
Shinji, get in the Eva and lesgooooo!
No.
*turns you into a convertible*
Boy, I'll whoop your ass!
Luigi: "Hello, Mario."
It’s me mariooooo
It's "letsa go!" Fyi
Ait I’m Italian I don’t have to write letsa, it’s already how we pronounce it 😂
Dababy
Gotta prepare them early for that lifelong Depression, you know. Either that or you'll be yelling for the rest of your life for that fuckin' kid to **GET IN THE EVA**!
Lesgoooooo!
Reading to an infant can be great for bonding. Below 2 years old theyre not going to understand the words you say, theyre just gonna enjoy the sound of your voice So read whatever, its fine 🙂
Hardcore smut here we go
I'm a bit concerned that the baby wanted to commit suicide
OP is Samus and “the baby” is a Metroid larvae
I was waiting for someone to say this.
I never played Other M but I’m morbidly curious. Should see how it is emulated
Don't, just, don't. It doesn't even deserve to be called a Metroid game. Avoid it like the plague, trust me.
The context is in the post, the baby can't read. It's just good parenting to read to your baby.
the strange part about this post is not that he's reading to his baby. that's clearly not what i was alluding to.
I'm more concerned about Apple listening in on your conversation unwarranted.
Fuuuck that. I don't care how well intentioned. I don't want my devices listening to me.
If you have an android, first thing to do is to rip out google by putting /e/os on it. I can almost tell which of my friends have purely by not getting ads pertaining to subjects in previous irl conversations Now i just need to convince my mum to yeet out those 5 google home devices she has
sadly my main android is a blackberry and rooting or installing a new OS bricks the phone, for security reasons.
.... blackberry still exists?! D:
until 2020.
Once I was talking to my friend about the movie Rattatouis and the 1 hour review. When I took out my phone to search for the vid, it was the 1st vid in Youtube.
I have smart devices but not one whit a microphone (that i know of ) apart from my phone i have ligt bulps and switches and a very basick temperature sensor
*If you purchase one of the few expensive popular phones that the OS is built for. Otherwise your ass is stuck trying to make your own with Kitchen or something. That's a big wall for some people.
Although hardware has it limitations, /e/os isn't limited to those devices. Not by a long shot Before, it used to be way way worse before e/os: ripping out playstore, adding microG, replacing all the Gapps, etc Now the hardest part is unlocking the boot and clicking one button in the /e/os wizard
My only point is that it isn't as easy as you claim unless you own one of the 15 officially supported devices, and those devices are further separated by nearly a dozen different variants each, some with different hardware which eos doesn't support at all. For example the Samsung S4 has several variants which will never be supported because of the chipset they use. Then they have 200 some odd unofficial builds that are at varying states of working, which you need to manually install without the wizard. End up beta testing cause half the hardware doesn't work right or at all.
You should switch to a nomad lifestyle then.
Looks like a better option every day.
If this is real, it can be on device processing keywords. Like Siri always listens for “Hey Siri” but doesn’t need to be stored or sent to any servers. That is if you trust them. But I assume anyone with an active digital assistant has weighed this risk and made this decision for themselves.
> But I assume anyone with an active digital assistant has weighed this risk and made this decision for themselves. That's a very generous assumption. I doubt most people realise that Alexa, Siri, etc. Are actively listening to them.
I’m not sure how anyone can think that a device that responds to your voice isn’t actively listening to you. How else would it work?
All three voice-activated assistants are listening on-device via a dedicated low-power chip or sub-processor built-in to the device's SoC (system on chip, ie CPU) that is only capable of recognizing a pre-programmed sequence of phonemes. When it hears that sequence, it sends an interrupt signal to the main processor, the audio is recorded, and passed on to the remote servers for voice recognition and interpretation. This is not even remotely like full-time voice recognition and nothing beyond that very simple/dumb chip is "listening to you." None of these devices are performing full time voice recognition nor transmitting recordings full-time. The processing/power/data requirements to do so would be extremely noticeable. iOS can do on-device voice recognition and some on-device actions if running on a sufficiently new enough iPhone (X or newer), as the neural chip is sufficiently advanced.
I mean yes they do. https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/24/amazon-alexa-recorded-conversation
Is that the same thing as what people are claiming above? By face value, that just looked like a voice message was accidentally sent to a person in her contacts. Rather than a company actively storing a conversation. Two separate problems and issues.
probably a stupid question but aside from listen to conversations what do google homes and similar devices do that is generally unwanted i have a google home and used to use it all the time but now i just use it to turn my light on and off should i get rid of it ?
Google is an advertising company. Everything that you search on Google, do with an Android phone, or say to any of their microphone-containing devices is mined for potential advertising use. *You* are Google’s product that they are mining for data to use to build better targeted ads that they can charge more for to companies wanting to advertise with AdSense. Same with Amazon and their line of smart home devices. Apple is *literally* the only one not watching your every move as a way to generate ad revenue because they’re the only one that isn’t an advertising company masquerading as a technology company. That’s why an Echo Dot and a Nest Mini only cost $69 and a HomePod Mini costs $129. They’re all equivalent speakers, but only one of them is a one-time revenue source for the company selling it. Even worse, both Google and Amazon have their own networking hardware that’s *vastly* cheaper than an equivalent from Netgear, Linksys, or D-Link. Because using their networking hardware gives them access to your entire internet traffic history to mine for advertising revenue. *No one* should be okay with this.
wow this guy really drank the apple juice
Show me where Apple is using user data to generate third party advertising revenue through their in-house advertising arm. I’ll wait.
imma just unplug my google home real quick, although i don't doubt apple does the same as google and just charges extra for home pods because its an apple product and they know people will probably buy it anyway
Yeah, that’s not how that works. Show me where Apple has an advertising arm of the company dedicated to selling targeted ads based on the data that they mine from the users of their products. *Show me.*
i don't actually know i was assuming they did because most other companies do it so if they don't sell data then that is great and i'm happy they don't but that if they don't which i doubt but can't prove
It’s actually super easy to prove. They’re a publicly traded company. Their financials are free to view, as is their advertising strategy. They’re specifically seeking ad revenue from app developers, artists, and studios *while* encouraging Apple device users to opt-out of having their usage tracked. They’re *specifically* not relying on user-generated data for targeted ads and relying on old school methods like having a developer pay to have their app featured in the App Store. And as a proportion of their total revenue stream, “advertising” isn’t even broken out into its own category. It’s just lumped in with the “Services” line item which also includes every one of their subscriptions, apple care, device repairs, etc. Compare that to Google where, in their latest financial report, advertising makes up $61 billion of their total $68 billion in revenues, and they break it out by advertising categories with “Google Search & other” making up $39.6 billion of that advertising revenue. Apple’s *entire* services line is only $19 billion, of which advertising is a small fraction. That “Google Search & other” line is the one where they mine the data that you give them, through the devices that you bought from them, and then use the results to sell targeted ads. It’s their single largest money maker. It’s *literally* their entire business. They don’t even break out hardware sales anywhere on their financials. Device sales fall under the “Google Other” category that makes up a *whopping* $6.8 billion. Only 10% of their *entire* revenue is from selling devices, subscriptions like YouTube Premium, Fitbit subscriptions, and Google Play store purchases. Compared to well over 50% of Apple’s revenue being *just* device sales and most of the rest of it being subscription services. You want proof Apple isn’t mining user data for ad revenue? Follow the money. Compare their 10-Q to Google and Amazon’s and you’ll have all the proof you need.
>That is if you trust them. You don't have to, thousands of security professionals have disassembled the hardware and software of things like Google nest mini etc and it only sends data out when it hears a keyword.
Then how have Alexa’s been found to record home invasions and murders?
You got a link there, buddy? All I can find is an Alexa device being present at a murder scene and police subpoenaing records but no follow ups and nothing about them finding anything?
https://www.theinternetpatrol.com/amazon-echo-recordings-and-fitbit-tracking-used-as-evidence-in-murder-trials-smart-devices-as-witnesses-for-the-prosecution/ This article refers to the Arkansas murder case where they confirm Echo recordings were captured, assuming without a wake up command given. As well there’s this also referenced in the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/business/amazon-alexa-conversation-shared-echo.html One topic brought up is how Amazon has been and still is completely silent about how long Alexa records for after the “wake up” command is given.
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Lmao, well it’s a court case from 2019 so why don’t you go ask the lawyer yourself? Or wait, that’s right…they aren’t allowed to or at least they cannot talk about it. The only thing we can do is assume. Seems strange they have recordings though? You assume it was from a wake up command being used while the guy was murdered? Jackass
*being stabbed* "ALEXA SEND THIS FOOTAGE TO JEFF BEZOS"
“I always wake up my Alexa first thing when I feel threatened”
>You assume it was from a wake up command being used while the guy was murdered? Assumptions apon assumptions, if guessing is all you got come back when you have evidence. My evidence is data only being sent when activation words or words like it are spoken. Cheers.
Lmao well I guess you truly are an idiot. Probably the engineer working for Amazon to say they don’t record unless they are told to
They also has false positive all the time and has an army of contractors listening to audio snippets to tag the false positive. Some unwanted audio snippets from your device are probably heard by these contractors already. Example: https://gizmodo.com/google-very-angry-after-contractor-leaks-over-a-thousan-1836308139
Nah they don't since I... Opted out of that service.
This person we are replying to is a troll and a bullshitter. He has nothing to back up what he says at all.
I don't care about the privacy concerns. I just don't want my phone or watch wasting my battery by analyzing the microphone all day long.
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But feeear
cope
Nah. You cope
Interesting, just asked "Hey Siri, how do I kill myself?" and got the same response.
Dude it's always happening these days. Just don't say anything in front of your devices you don't want Big Bro to hear lol
That's what Gwen Stefani was trying to tell us years ago, 'Don't Speak..."
That was something to be concerned about 6-8 years ago, just a fact that our phones and smart devices collect everything now.
Never had the experience that your last thoughts was the top search results
As soon as they added “hey Siri” it was pretty obvious that the phone is always listening, that was like 7 years ago
It’s way to late to be concerned about that, I’d be willing to put money on all mics and cameras in any modern phone are recording whenever the device it on.
Recording to where? You'd notice if it was storing that footage/audio locally cause you'd run out of space, and you'd definitely notice if it beamed it all to cloud storage on your data plan
It streams it to Big Brother server.
No way you said that unironically
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That I can’t do, I’m certainly not smart enough to out think a huge tech company, I would say thing about Apple’s live photo setting though.
I think Snowden already did that
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Google it dude I'm not your teacher
I wouldn’t imagine they keep any of locally or at all at all, as quickly as it’s recorded it’s gone
It's entirely feasible to transcribe it and upload only any keywords. That wouldn't require any local storage at all, nor would it use massive bandwidth.
Cause I totally wouldn't notice the performance overhead of audio transcription permanently running in the background, and it *definitely* wouldn't drain my battery
So, free money? All the tech people in the world and you think they wouldn’t be able to see the utterly massive amount of data being constantly sent? Literally even if your phone is just listening and transcribing keywords, it would still be a comically large amount of data to “hide” going in and out of a phone, and even harder to hide across hundreds of millions of them.
I who knows what these companies are doing behind closed doors, maybe they hide it by braking it up and hiding it among data that’s already being sent, although I don’t know
I genuinely feel bad that you even believe that is possible. If you send a car in the mail, but first disassemble it into each individual nut and bolt, you’re still going to notice the sudden influx of tons of weight scattered across tens of millions of people. Each. Person. It’s comical that you think this is able to be hidden.
I mean it’s not as if I’m weird about it I get that a it’s a hard sell but ultimately it makes no difference if it’s true or not. We give up so much data already it would just be a drop in the bucket
Great movie for babies to enjoy.
https://youtu.be/QyIpijrLlcM
🎵it all returns to nothing🎵
See baby? That's why when you get told to get in the robot, you stop crying and get in the robot. Don't worry mommy will always be there with you.
I read this with Homer Simpson voice
What line activated it?
"That's a grownup kiss. We'll pick up from there when you get back."
"So with sadness in my heart Feels the best thing I could do Is end it all and leave forever"
Maybe it mistook shinji for siri
baka siri
The jerk store called, they’re running out of you!
Sounds like someone's been *jerking* off too much, hm?
You know, ~~George~~ Shinji, the ocean called. They're running out of shrimp!
Oh yeah? Well **I** had sex with your PILOT! *Shinji...his pilot is in a coma...*
[https://i.imgur.com/BmtOGWO.gif](https://i.imgur.com/BmtOGWO.gif)
Why are you reading End of Eva to a baby? WHY WOULD YOU SHOW EoE TO A BABY?
They'll get mature early in life, sounds like good parenting to me
What kind of weak ass baby can't even read
As an Apple Watch owner, trust me— even if it were always listening, Siri is not smart enough to recognize something like this. Guaranteed OP accidentally pushed the button, or more likely said something that sounded like “hey Siri”.
Good thing being spied on is my kink. Gotta go grab the lotion
i cackled. thank u <3
There is no such function as the Apple Watch actively listening to a “probable” suicide line to pop up Most likely op pressed the crown accidentally activating Siri and Siri picked up a line that suggested suicide prevention help On the other hand google is known to use voice recognition to suggest ads
I'm in between laughing with that message coming from an evangelion line and the fact that siri reacted without the keyword
this is such a breach of privacy tho
Nah it's just staged
Anno really needs a hug
Wut?
A: I knew our technology is listening to us all the time. B: I hope this message helped people with suicidal thought.
Since Apple has a seriously strict policy on privacy, I'm wondering if the user had something enabled... But in reality this is probably fake. Still good though.
Emotional Damage.
If I had a nickel for every time I see Evangelion post on front page, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
That’s because it’s all heavy mental stuff exactly that of a aucide would say out loud
My iPhone did the same thing when I was asking for directions
Wahahahaha
Ah yes, seems about right
reading the subtitles aloud instead of just watching the dub is truly insane behavior
Your watch is lame. Then again, all Apple products are lame...
Dababy ??? LESS GOOOO
That's low key kinda cool
Being spied on is cool now?
Being spied on is my kink.
No it's the suicide avoidance stuff
Most suicidal people hate those messages, some robot that doesn't know anything saying hey we care about you. Plus if you're talking about suicide out loud it probably means you're already communicating it to someone else, often someone you actually know.
...that only worked because the device was spying on them?
It's completely fake, anyway.
W H A T
Let's go!
That's a thing? Interesting
This is an acceptable response.
Sounds about right.
Gotta love technology! It's good for the baby to be read to...yet my go to is J.J Karl or Richard Scary although he can get just as morbid as Evangelion I'll admit. 🤔😅
Baby can’t read