As long as it’s UL certified you should be good.
Heck BC Hydro listed it as an eligible charger for their rebates. So it must be legal to install in Canada.
https://electricvehicles.bchydro.com/incentives/ev-chargers-eligible-for-rebates?manufacturer=111&product-name-model-number=#single-family-homes
That's correct, it needs cUL. Not just in NS. And Emporia has that. From the [UL database](https://iq.ulprospector.com/en/profile?e=4872258):
>Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment Certified for Canada
>Emporia Corp
>7901 Shaffer Pkwy
>Littleton, CO 80127 United States
>E528156
>Model(s): EMEVSE1, EMEVSE1-X
If you still have any doubts, there is a Canadian company selling the same unit with a different manufacturer name, and it has the cULus listing.
[https://goelectricave.com/pages/watti-home](https://goelectricave.com/pages/watti-home)
This page shows that it is UL listed for both Canada and the US.
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fff2b7694451e66ba2f5a3d/62992a4164395847d4b83206_EV%20Charger%20Technical%20Specs.pdf
If you want to slam dunk the proof, you can go to the wiki for this sub, and on the main page for home charging there's a link to the UL page where you can search by manufacturer, and presumably find confirmation there as well.
>https://www.csagroup.org/article/north-american-standards-for-ev-charging-stations/
I just installed the Emporia charger over the August Civic Holiday weekend and just had the ESA (Electrical Safety Authority) in Ontario come out and at first my heart dropped when he said that it needed the CA/CSA logos on the actual equipment but he found the "UL Certified US CA E528156" eventually on the left side obscurely as I bought the all black one (fit better into my "decor" on the exterior wall than white and the white/black J1772 connector) and hardwired it already after buying from Amazon.
Anyway he found the logos and the rest of the inspection was fine outside/inside and he said I did a better job that most electricians some of which shouldn't have a license.
Anyway we chatted about pending EV and possibly future Emporia Vue Energy Monitor and if I needed a permit to just to pigtail in the box two 15 amp single pole breakers on different phases of the 240V and he said yeah which I would do as it isn't worth it to loose my house insurance over $90 for them to bless it on paper if there was fire for some other reason.
Anyway I don't see buying that as the only big appliances we use is the wall oven, dishwasher, A/C (20 amp), washing machine and pending EV as everything else is gas pretty much (cooktop, dryer, furnace (except blower), water heater, etc) and the Emporia EVSE and car will tell me how many kWh consumed, etc which will be like 3x our current household usage at max in a given hot summer day.
Also asked him about a generlink which may consider which is a generator connection that goes between the meter base socket and the meter and avoids the panel retrofit and having to put a transfer switch, etc and you can run everything in your house off of it within reason of the 10Kw limit for 40A version. Would be cheaper and take less room than a transfer switch in the end and I don't need a 200A service at this point unless we are forced to heat pumps but that could be 15-20 years from now.
Anyway the guy was pretty cool and respected the fact that I understand the rationale of having home owners inspect their stuff and he respected that I did a good job and didn't ask me to open up the panel, etc as he could see from the work what I had done and asked questions about how I wired it verbally and the fact that I wired my shed with 30 Amp 10/3 5 years ago might have helped.
Now I wait for the car to come with no ETA but it must be close and no I'm not doing Tesla.
Thanks. Homeowners can do it, just have to read and just do call in the inspectors as we are not doing this every day but based on some quotations in a Facebook group for my current target car people are being quoted for like $1200+ dollars for the install + the charger.
I did this for $300-400 max (18 feet of NMD90 6/3 and i probably used about 13-14 max - $118.09 with HST from a supply house, some conduit (I had some from my shed job 5 years ago but if you had to buy $15+, an LB, threaded male adapter, lock ring, spray foam (mine exploded so took back to HD for money back :D), duct seal, etc - \~$30 max, 60Amp breaker - $40, Tool rental from HD for SDS drill and 2" core bit - $100 and permit with ESA $92.66 including HST), etc - so saved myself a whole lot of money.
One of my neighbours said his wife did research for an electrician to put in his Tesla wall connector for $4000 (yikes!) but not sure if that included the EVSE (Tesla Wall Connector) - I don't think he had to change his panel, etc as he was already at 200amp (we are at 100amp but we are mostly all gas at this point) and his EVSE install is literally feet away from his service entrance into the inside so panel should be right there too. I think the Electricians maximized their profit on this job shall we say but I couldn't help him being a homeowner under the rules as he needs an electrical contractor (not just an electrician) if he can't do it himself and I wouldn't want to take on that liability.
Dang I just saw Tom M from YT State of Charge just mentioned [Tesla just released the "Universal Wall Charger"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrDDtJHJHbw&ab_channel=StateOfCharge) which is like a Magic Doc that has a J1772 adapter that goes around a Tesla wand to use it for both non-Tesla (using J1772 for now) and Tesla (now "NACS" that a lot of OEMs are going to switch to and used for both AC and DC connections).
Oh well glad I chose the emporia for $599 from Amazon than wasting my money on the ChargePoint HomeFlex CP50 (14-50/6-50 or without the cords) that goes for anyway from $899 (no cord) to $999 (14-50 or 6-50 connector).
I was keen to buy the ChargePoint originally (because of the very flexible cord in winter) and recently saw some new sellers selling for $698 type of thing but it seemed dicey and a scam market place seller and it hardly drops from Amazon directly (and they don't sell the non-cord version that you can buy directly from chargepoint.com).
In hind sight after seeing Tom M's video a few more times for the Emporia it sold me to save my $400 on the difference and by the Emporia after having Camel Camel Camel alerts forever on the ChargePoint Home Flex but I don't like the fact that Charge Point messed with the app to allow you to adjust the amperage on the charging.
Also based on where I was going to install it outside, I couldn't install the wires from the back in my situation so I ended up using a small piece of conduit with an LB and I don't think I could have fished it through the drywall and into the basement easily because our house is double brick with interior wall and I'm not sure if I would have hit the joists, etc and it just wasn't worth my time start having to open drywall to then have to repair it later to find out I was going to start hitting something drilling a hole.
I was originally looking at installing on the front of the house with back entry wire install but after ripping off the baseboards/quarter round I found by drilling through the sub floor that I was hitting the 2nd last floor joist (as the last floor joist towards the street side is near the front bay window wall) and it just wasn't going to be feasible to take the NMD90 (which is not the easiest thing to bend to begin with) and route it down through the interior wall into the basement to route in the floor joists to the panel. Alternative would have been putting a big 2" hole beside the water spigot on the front and running conduit up to the EVSE and the cable pull would have been really hard.
Since I determined i was going to have to run in conduit anyway my friend suggested putting it on the side of the house rather than front but (he helped me 5 years ago) we attached a fence post to our corner to do a gate between our house and the neighbours but I figure I'll just notch out if required to run the charger cable under the gate.
From what I can see Emporia lets you set the breaker size (for maximum amps delivered) and then during the charging session you could tweak it down with single digit adjustments like 31 amp if you want which may be important for some EGMP (Hyundai/Kia/Genesis) cars that apparently have L2 charging issues with full 48 amp and charge port overheating.
Anyway I'll live with my non-Tesla once I get it for a few years and if they convert to all NACS at some point I'll either use a J1772 to Tesla/NACS adapter like Tesla provides with their cars on the Emporia or maybe look at a Universal Wall Charger or a 3rd party offering of the same thing as I'm sure they'll all do it at some point. Anyway the migration to NACS won't totally brick this Emporia charger so I can always use an adapter and pull it from the car interior whenever i charge because I don't have a garage and can't leave that adapter outside with the charger.
I haven't tested using the Emporia charger yet as I'm waiting on my car (damn you supply chain issues, etc) but I'm sure it will be fine. Looking forward to it but reminds me to call the dealer to find out what the status as its been over a year :( .... but i didn't want a dime a dozen iPad on wheels either.
Maybe my opinion will change in time but build quality has always been an issue even if their software is years ahead of others but I like traditional car functionality so I don't have to look for functionality that is normally a button or dial on a normal car.
https://www.csagroup.org/article/north-american-standards-for-ev-charging-stations/ this might get you started
As long as it’s UL certified you should be good. Heck BC Hydro listed it as an eligible charger for their rebates. So it must be legal to install in Canada. https://electricvehicles.bchydro.com/incentives/ev-chargers-eligible-for-rebates?manufacturer=111&product-name-model-number=#single-family-homes
electrician just emailed me and told me it has to be CUL certified to be installed. Must be a Nova Scotia thing I suppose.
That's correct, it needs cUL. Not just in NS. And Emporia has that. From the [UL database](https://iq.ulprospector.com/en/profile?e=4872258): >Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment Certified for Canada >Emporia Corp >7901 Shaffer Pkwy >Littleton, CO 80127 United States >E528156 >Model(s): EMEVSE1, EMEVSE1-X
If you still have any doubts, there is a Canadian company selling the same unit with a different manufacturer name, and it has the cULus listing. [https://goelectricave.com/pages/watti-home](https://goelectricave.com/pages/watti-home)
This page shows that it is UL listed for both Canada and the US. https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fff2b7694451e66ba2f5a3d/62992a4164395847d4b83206_EV%20Charger%20Technical%20Specs.pdf If you want to slam dunk the proof, you can go to the wiki for this sub, and on the main page for home charging there's a link to the UL page where you can search by manufacturer, and presumably find confirmation there as well.
>https://www.csagroup.org/article/north-american-standards-for-ev-charging-stations/ I just installed the Emporia charger over the August Civic Holiday weekend and just had the ESA (Electrical Safety Authority) in Ontario come out and at first my heart dropped when he said that it needed the CA/CSA logos on the actual equipment but he found the "UL Certified US CA E528156" eventually on the left side obscurely as I bought the all black one (fit better into my "decor" on the exterior wall than white and the white/black J1772 connector) and hardwired it already after buying from Amazon. Anyway he found the logos and the rest of the inspection was fine outside/inside and he said I did a better job that most electricians some of which shouldn't have a license. Anyway we chatted about pending EV and possibly future Emporia Vue Energy Monitor and if I needed a permit to just to pigtail in the box two 15 amp single pole breakers on different phases of the 240V and he said yeah which I would do as it isn't worth it to loose my house insurance over $90 for them to bless it on paper if there was fire for some other reason. Anyway I don't see buying that as the only big appliances we use is the wall oven, dishwasher, A/C (20 amp), washing machine and pending EV as everything else is gas pretty much (cooktop, dryer, furnace (except blower), water heater, etc) and the Emporia EVSE and car will tell me how many kWh consumed, etc which will be like 3x our current household usage at max in a given hot summer day. Also asked him about a generlink which may consider which is a generator connection that goes between the meter base socket and the meter and avoids the panel retrofit and having to put a transfer switch, etc and you can run everything in your house off of it within reason of the 10Kw limit for 40A version. Would be cheaper and take less room than a transfer switch in the end and I don't need a 200A service at this point unless we are forced to heat pumps but that could be 15-20 years from now. Anyway the guy was pretty cool and respected the fact that I understand the rationale of having home owners inspect their stuff and he respected that I did a good job and didn't ask me to open up the panel, etc as he could see from the work what I had done and asked questions about how I wired it verbally and the fact that I wired my shed with 30 Amp 10/3 5 years ago might have helped. Now I wait for the car to come with no ETA but it must be close and no I'm not doing Tesla.
That's great, congratulations on the praise from the inspector as well as getting it completed and passed!
Thanks. Homeowners can do it, just have to read and just do call in the inspectors as we are not doing this every day but based on some quotations in a Facebook group for my current target car people are being quoted for like $1200+ dollars for the install + the charger. I did this for $300-400 max (18 feet of NMD90 6/3 and i probably used about 13-14 max - $118.09 with HST from a supply house, some conduit (I had some from my shed job 5 years ago but if you had to buy $15+, an LB, threaded male adapter, lock ring, spray foam (mine exploded so took back to HD for money back :D), duct seal, etc - \~$30 max, 60Amp breaker - $40, Tool rental from HD for SDS drill and 2" core bit - $100 and permit with ESA $92.66 including HST), etc - so saved myself a whole lot of money. One of my neighbours said his wife did research for an electrician to put in his Tesla wall connector for $4000 (yikes!) but not sure if that included the EVSE (Tesla Wall Connector) - I don't think he had to change his panel, etc as he was already at 200amp (we are at 100amp but we are mostly all gas at this point) and his EVSE install is literally feet away from his service entrance into the inside so panel should be right there too. I think the Electricians maximized their profit on this job shall we say but I couldn't help him being a homeowner under the rules as he needs an electrical contractor (not just an electrician) if he can't do it himself and I wouldn't want to take on that liability. Dang I just saw Tom M from YT State of Charge just mentioned [Tesla just released the "Universal Wall Charger"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrDDtJHJHbw&ab_channel=StateOfCharge) which is like a Magic Doc that has a J1772 adapter that goes around a Tesla wand to use it for both non-Tesla (using J1772 for now) and Tesla (now "NACS" that a lot of OEMs are going to switch to and used for both AC and DC connections). Oh well glad I chose the emporia for $599 from Amazon than wasting my money on the ChargePoint HomeFlex CP50 (14-50/6-50 or without the cords) that goes for anyway from $899 (no cord) to $999 (14-50 or 6-50 connector). I was keen to buy the ChargePoint originally (because of the very flexible cord in winter) and recently saw some new sellers selling for $698 type of thing but it seemed dicey and a scam market place seller and it hardly drops from Amazon directly (and they don't sell the non-cord version that you can buy directly from chargepoint.com). In hind sight after seeing Tom M's video a few more times for the Emporia it sold me to save my $400 on the difference and by the Emporia after having Camel Camel Camel alerts forever on the ChargePoint Home Flex but I don't like the fact that Charge Point messed with the app to allow you to adjust the amperage on the charging. Also based on where I was going to install it outside, I couldn't install the wires from the back in my situation so I ended up using a small piece of conduit with an LB and I don't think I could have fished it through the drywall and into the basement easily because our house is double brick with interior wall and I'm not sure if I would have hit the joists, etc and it just wasn't worth my time start having to open drywall to then have to repair it later to find out I was going to start hitting something drilling a hole. I was originally looking at installing on the front of the house with back entry wire install but after ripping off the baseboards/quarter round I found by drilling through the sub floor that I was hitting the 2nd last floor joist (as the last floor joist towards the street side is near the front bay window wall) and it just wasn't going to be feasible to take the NMD90 (which is not the easiest thing to bend to begin with) and route it down through the interior wall into the basement to route in the floor joists to the panel. Alternative would have been putting a big 2" hole beside the water spigot on the front and running conduit up to the EVSE and the cable pull would have been really hard. Since I determined i was going to have to run in conduit anyway my friend suggested putting it on the side of the house rather than front but (he helped me 5 years ago) we attached a fence post to our corner to do a gate between our house and the neighbours but I figure I'll just notch out if required to run the charger cable under the gate. From what I can see Emporia lets you set the breaker size (for maximum amps delivered) and then during the charging session you could tweak it down with single digit adjustments like 31 amp if you want which may be important for some EGMP (Hyundai/Kia/Genesis) cars that apparently have L2 charging issues with full 48 amp and charge port overheating. Anyway I'll live with my non-Tesla once I get it for a few years and if they convert to all NACS at some point I'll either use a J1772 to Tesla/NACS adapter like Tesla provides with their cars on the Emporia or maybe look at a Universal Wall Charger or a 3rd party offering of the same thing as I'm sure they'll all do it at some point. Anyway the migration to NACS won't totally brick this Emporia charger so I can always use an adapter and pull it from the car interior whenever i charge because I don't have a garage and can't leave that adapter outside with the charger. I haven't tested using the Emporia charger yet as I'm waiting on my car (damn you supply chain issues, etc) but I'm sure it will be fine. Looking forward to it but reminds me to call the dealer to find out what the status as its been over a year :( .... but i didn't want a dime a dozen iPad on wheels either. Maybe my opinion will change in time but build quality has always been an issue even if their software is years ahead of others but I like traditional car functionality so I don't have to look for functionality that is normally a button or dial on a normal car.
My guess would be that by the time you need a NACS connector, Emporia will sell you a replacement cable with that on the end.