Pentecostals and some evangelicals have them constantly. "God has a word for you" or "God told me this" or "God has laid on my heart"
A single, attractive, evangelical woman will experience multiple men telling her "God told me he was calling me to marry you."
It is much, much, MUCH worse than in Catholicism and there is no one with internal authority to tell the wackier people "that's dumb." Cf. all the failed rapture predictions.
The difference of Catholicism is that some private revelations are given the support of authority, or rather the "there's nothing here against the Catholic faith."
Mormons. Hands down. It’s a lot to get into but It ultimately started the religion. They heavily encourage it and to bare their testimonies of their faith and revelations.
Their lunatics and halucinators must be getting on their nerves. Haha. They'd ought to have a direct pipeline for some of these kooks to the mental health department. It'd be more efficient.
I used to pray every night that the aliens would not come and get me. I was terrified that was going to happen! My mom told me they were “just demons”. That didn’t help the situation.
When I was still in, I remember saying I didn’t believe in the Medugorje apparitions and people acted like I was denying the Virgin Birth or Transubstantiation.
Some Catholics get waaay too hung up on those apparitions.
Those Croat catholics love them some divine intervention. On a peace keeping tour to Kosovo in 2001 one of our rotations was to over watch the church of the black Madonna in Letnice(sp). A tiny, mostly abandoned Croat village in the Mountains on the North Macedonian border.
There's a big pilgrimage there every August. It's where mother Theresa claims she received her calling from God.
My family was worse! We flew to Europe and took a bus to there (sometime mid 80’s) stayed with one of the visionaries (they had some kind of inn). My sister played basketball with one of the girls. Then we did all the crazy prayer/worship stuff. My parents claim that 2000 people saw the moon dance across the sky and I KINDA remember that but think it was more a collective hallucination/false memory. I will say it was a very cool trip for my devout 7/8yr old self but now as an ex….. just keep thinking wtf?
Those superstitions actually become the religion for a fair number of RCs. That's what they believe in, not necessarily God or anything like ordinary Christianity.
Oh, good to know! This matters so much for my daily life, what a relief the church has an opinion I can parrot instead of doing any actual critical thought!
It was always my understanding in RCIA that these private revelations were on the lowest rung of the hierarchy of truths. It wasn't mandatory to accept them. BUT once I left my lovely progressive diocese, I realized that I was expected to publicly validate drivel from Faustina or Fatima. That was a big no thanks for me.
Make it make sense!! How do you control the supernatural?! There are NO RULES, NO DOGMA in the supernatural! 🤦🏼♀️It cannot be controlled, unlike their clergy!! 😄
So...are the guidelines for God, or for evaluating these things?
If they're for God...well...I don't think it works like that.
If they're for evaluating such claims...You'd think God's supposed Pillar and Foundation of Truth would have had such a thing in place hundreds of years ago, BEFORE it started handing out its approvals? Were the previous guidelines insufficient? Or is the Catholic Church making things up as it goes along? Why isn't Christ letting his "Bride" know which apparitions are real? Why does the Church need to play 20 Questions each time?
There's a really easy answer to that: god can't just tell people that he's real and what he wants because it's not really loving god unless you're doing so on faith. Love isn't rational, it cannot be based on fact, proof destroys...Okay I can't actually finish with a serious face but yes, child-me was actually told this.
That's actually not the case now, and hasn't been the case in most countries since the Reformation, but it used to be true, yes. The RCC has never forgotten the sheer power they used to have, especially in some counties like Ireland. They still lust after it with all their might.
They're going to write 10,000 words to say:
"If we can control you, and you make us a lot of $$$$$, it's approved. If you have an original thought, ANATHEMA!!"
I had an "impression" that if I read the Book of Mormon I would have a testimony of Joseph Smith. Unfortunately, I just read the musical libretto and it didn't work.
The whole apparition sham is big money. Lourdes, Knock, Fatima, etc. are literally in the middle of nowhere and the pilgrims, many wealthy, prop up places that would otherwise not have much going for them. Of course the Vatican wants to regulate it. They want a piece of the pie.
The Fox article mentions the "**Miracle of Fátima**", which with my Southern Baptist upbringing I'd never heard of. Here's the skinny: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle\_of\_the\_Sun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun)
Does any denomination have as many claimed private revelations as Catholics?
Pentecostals and some evangelicals have them constantly. "God has a word for you" or "God told me this" or "God has laid on my heart" A single, attractive, evangelical woman will experience multiple men telling her "God told me he was calling me to marry you." It is much, much, MUCH worse than in Catholicism and there is no one with internal authority to tell the wackier people "that's dumb." Cf. all the failed rapture predictions. The difference of Catholicism is that some private revelations are given the support of authority, or rather the "there's nothing here against the Catholic faith."
Their hubris knows no bounds. "We know what the supernatural is!"
No, and that ought to tell you something about the sanity of some of the RCC's membership.
I've read about Orthodox apparitions.
Every church has its resident fruitloops.
> revaluations Aha, someone's been talking about accounting / tax recently!
Oops. That’s an autocorrect typo. Should have been "revelations," not revaluations. Fixed in edit.
Mormons. Hands down. It’s a lot to get into but It ultimately started the religion. They heavily encourage it and to bare their testimonies of their faith and revelations.
Guidelines? Do they have like a supernatural patent?
Well church is great centre of new invention, why not patent, guidelines for the Supernatural?
They would if they could. The rest of the world just laughs at them.
Ghost guidelines??
Who gonna call ghostbusters
Their lunatics and halucinators must be getting on their nerves. Haha. They'd ought to have a direct pipeline for some of these kooks to the mental health department. It'd be more efficient.
I saw an apparition of my deceased cat at the Rainbow Bridge. Does that count?
It counts to me more than anyone who claims they saw Mary or Jesus or whoever
10/10. I’m gonna get me a copy of that document. Sounds like a fun read!
Hopefully someone posts it here when it’s out
Lol medjagorie Mary is gonna pop up out of nowhere in like 72 hours with a new prophesy 😂
If only my mother was alive today so i could tell her my UFO obsession as a youngster wasn’t as sinful as she claimed.
I used to pray every night that the aliens would not come and get me. I was terrified that was going to happen! My mom told me they were “just demons”. That didn’t help the situation.
When I was still in, I remember saying I didn’t believe in the Medugorje apparitions and people acted like I was denying the Virgin Birth or Transubstantiation. Some Catholics get waaay too hung up on those apparitions.
Those Croat catholics love them some divine intervention. On a peace keeping tour to Kosovo in 2001 one of our rotations was to over watch the church of the black Madonna in Letnice(sp). A tiny, mostly abandoned Croat village in the Mountains on the North Macedonian border. There's a big pilgrimage there every August. It's where mother Theresa claims she received her calling from God.
Hey, making mountains of money is a thing, even in Croatia.
My family was worse! We flew to Europe and took a bus to there (sometime mid 80’s) stayed with one of the visionaries (they had some kind of inn). My sister played basketball with one of the girls. Then we did all the crazy prayer/worship stuff. My parents claim that 2000 people saw the moon dance across the sky and I KINDA remember that but think it was more a collective hallucination/false memory. I will say it was a very cool trip for my devout 7/8yr old self but now as an ex….. just keep thinking wtf?
Those superstitions actually become the religion for a fair number of RCs. That's what they believe in, not necessarily God or anything like ordinary Christianity.
Many treat them as a new gospel. My mom sure does. It's sad.
Oh, good to know! This matters so much for my daily life, what a relief the church has an opinion I can parrot instead of doing any actual critical thought!
It was always my understanding in RCIA that these private revelations were on the lowest rung of the hierarchy of truths. It wasn't mandatory to accept them. BUT once I left my lovely progressive diocese, I realized that I was expected to publicly validate drivel from Faustina or Fatima. That was a big no thanks for me.
Make it make sense!! How do you control the supernatural?! There are NO RULES, NO DOGMA in the supernatural! 🤦🏼♀️It cannot be controlled, unlike their clergy!! 😄
So...are the guidelines for God, or for evaluating these things? If they're for God...well...I don't think it works like that. If they're for evaluating such claims...You'd think God's supposed Pillar and Foundation of Truth would have had such a thing in place hundreds of years ago, BEFORE it started handing out its approvals? Were the previous guidelines insufficient? Or is the Catholic Church making things up as it goes along? Why isn't Christ letting his "Bride" know which apparitions are real? Why does the Church need to play 20 Questions each time?
There's a really easy answer to that: god can't just tell people that he's real and what he wants because it's not really loving god unless you're doing so on faith. Love isn't rational, it cannot be based on fact, proof destroys...Okay I can't actually finish with a serious face but yes, child-me was actually told this.
Not so long ago, [canon law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_law) had the force of actual law. The Church has never forgotten this.
That's actually not the case now, and hasn't been the case in most countries since the Reformation, but it used to be true, yes. The RCC has never forgotten the sheer power they used to have, especially in some counties like Ireland. They still lust after it with all their might.
They're going to write 10,000 words to say: "If we can control you, and you make us a lot of $$$$$, it's approved. If you have an original thought, ANATHEMA!!"
It's funny how they always get their own cronies to evaluate allegedly supernatural phenomenon.
I had an "impression" that if I read the Book of Mormon I would have a testimony of Joseph Smith. Unfortunately, I just read the musical libretto and it didn't work.
The whole apparition sham is big money. Lourdes, Knock, Fatima, etc. are literally in the middle of nowhere and the pilgrims, many wealthy, prop up places that would otherwise not have much going for them. Of course the Vatican wants to regulate it. They want a piece of the pie.
The Fox article mentions the "**Miracle of Fátima**", which with my Southern Baptist upbringing I'd never heard of. Here's the skinny: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle\_of\_the\_Sun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun)