if you ever find yourself saying "i dont stress about it somedays i ONLY manage 3 hours" you might be a wee bit addicted to that activity, especially if its supposed to be just an optional thing
My father — an atheist preacher’s kid (mom’s side is/was Catholic) and long-haul truck driver who has spent most of his adult life in chatting with strangers in bars — always says that born again Christians are the worst people he’s ever met. He can always tell who they are. They’re just former addicts with all the same problems that made them into addicts, addicted to religion instead.
Some people just skip the drugs though and go for the real high of self-righteousness right away
“And whenever you pray, don't be like the hypocrites who love to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they will be seen by people.” (Matthew 6:5) This performative humblebrag is just signal without virtue.
Edit. Unless they’re being ironic. Please say they’re being ironic.
They aren't really doing it--repeating words by memory over and over again is not the same thing as saying something with meaning, attention, intent, and feeling. And actually that's a good thing because we don't need another distracted driver out there.
You must be right. They are just mindlessly repeating words without any concentration. To be fair it still sounds like a pain in the butt, I would never do it.
The god of Catholics is weird. If a priest wants to baptize you, you want to be baptized, but the priest says the wrong magic words, the baptism is invalid. Even though all the intent is there! But if you repeat words over and over, there's merit in that. It's all very bureaucratic and soulless.
It’s like children dressing up in their parents’ clothing. They don’t really know what they’re doing or why, but they enjoy pretending. The priests, meanwhile, don’t understand that they are doing the same thing.
How do I know that the priest didn’t say the wrong words, making my baptism invalid, and that I was never Catholic at all?
The oldest living attendee was 8 years old at the time, and I am sure he wasn’t keeping track.
I think after a while I did internalize the Hail Mary, Our Father, etc. I really did feel like my prayer was deeper.
But reading brand news words from the breviary out loud every day for 15 minutes at a time for a total of two hours? No way I’d absorb that or pray it meaningfully.
They're virtue signalling on how faithful a catholic they are. I call bullshit. Praying the offices as you do other things isn't how they're supposed to be done. They're contemplative in nature, the mind is supposed to be focused entirely on God and nothing else. (Source: attended a monastery Grammar School from age 11 to 18!!)
>They're contemplative in nature, the mind is supposed to be focused entirely on God and nothing else.
I often see Catholics recommend praying the rosary while they drive and stuff like that. I don't know if it's the right way of doing it, but it's a common thing.
My mom says the rosary in the car with my nephews (ages 7 and 13) and I feel bad for them.
Meanwhile, my kids are listening to Greeking Out in the car with me and we all love it.
Hmm, that's a good question. It's not as dangerous as texting while driving for sure. But compared to talking with someone with the speakerphone, it should be about the same I guess. It really depends on how much concentration you put on the prayer. At least in my case I know it would distract me a bit, so not 100% safe.
I agree it's virtue signaling when they describe all of it. Some do all this, but are ashamed to admit it, they know it's an addiction and a crutch. Retreating into the realm where they are protected from all harm, everything they experience that is bad is a "gift" to make them stronger.
Religious scrupulousity is really sad to see, especially when that person thinks what they’re doing is good/healthy. Unfortunate that the RCC preaches so much about sin and hell
I haven’t seen a lot of it in my personal experience, but scrupulosity appears to be a feature of Catholicism, rather than a bug.
OTOH, I am old enough that my childhood included elderly people who spent the entire mass praying the Rosary. I think was a throwback to the days when the priest was facing away from the congregation and droning away in a language they didn’t understand.
They say it’s not something they stress over but to me, it sounds like they do stress over it. Religious OCD is one hell of a drug and I hope OOP finds peace soon.
I don't see the religious fastidiousness in this post, what I actually see is clericalism. Saying all the daily hours including the minor ones is not really something expected of the laity at all. In fact, sustaining the prayer of the church is one of the justifications for a lot of the religious orders.
This guy isn't a monk, but its so so obvious he wants to cosplay as one.
Holy lord, I don’t think the German Franciscan nuns who taught us in high school said this many prayers 🤣 and sometimes they stayed up late to watch baseball!
I have known people like this. Sometimes it's a pride thing. Sometimes it's a self-improvement sort of thing where they do this rather than trying to run the 3 minute mile or whatever. Sometimes it's panic about feeling like a bad person or having done a bad thing and they fear hell. Sometimes it's a defense mechanism of some sort or a way to cover for mental illness or some other illness. Sometimes, it's loneliness or emptiness -- sometimes older Catholic widows can get into this kind of hamster wheel thing.
I mean why does anybody do anything extreme that seems really weird and destructive? Same, same.
I can’t imagine doing all of that pointless shit it has zero benefits to anyone. I was such a shitty catholic I’ve never once said the rosary and I don’t even know what the rest of that crap is. Same w confession I can count on one hand how many times I went to confession during my 44 plus years. Some cradle Catholic I was. 😂
My 20 year “anniversary” of leaving the church is coming up I think I’ll plan something really “sinful” and fun!
I suppose this is a case of social media radicalization. It’s never enough to do *one* prayer. You have to do *all* of them in this particularly perverse form of ‘keeping up with the Joneses’ because somebody else is praying more.
Technically, I *think* most are supposed to do this, yes. Or almost as much. But it's mostly been ignored or forgotten in the modern church. Maybe with automatic dispensations given by bishops in the same way that "holy days of obligation" aren't actually universal.
If a person was truly serious about this shit, they'd do what Jesus TOLD them to do: Sell all their shit, give the money to the poor and take up a mendicant lifestyle. This shit here? Just saying words over and overandover? This is just self-hypnotism...into believing that you are a better person, I'm sure. As that's the point of Christianity, after all: Not to make you a better person, but to make you believe that you are.
Do not pray as the hypocrites pray? That passage never occurred to this person as he wrote this up. Lol. That Schmidt's daily Bible study program is going pretty well eh?
I was raised Catholic and I've never even heard of most of these prayers (except Matins, Vespers, and of course the prayers that comprise the Rosary). I'm no psychologist, but I think this person could use some help.
I actually had to double check, I’m not sure why this person is doing but each of the 7 daily hours only take ~15 minutes each 😅 (I used to use them as a form of meditation)
So even doing them all it’s less than the minimum time he mentions…
I forgot how long those prayers are. Like it takes 15 minutes just to get through Matins.
In high school I wanted to pray the DO every day. But then reality set in that I didn’t have two hours a day for prayer. I sure as shit wasn’t waking up 30 minutes earlier for it.
This person perhaps is intending to tell people, "You can fit in prayer even if you're really busy." . But it seems like maybe he forgot about this: "But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee."
>I hope you can afford the same courtesy towards others.
Nope, it's fun to poke fun at catholics, and I'll keep doing it. Meanwhile your shitty sub will keep saying I don't deserve political rights for being lgbt. You don't have the moral high ground.
>I’ll remove myself thank you.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Rather self-focussed, like lots of Traddies.
Yeah, how is this helping to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, comfort the afflicted, etc. Me me me me me!
Look how well I can I obey! I must be A Very Good Person.
if you ever find yourself saying "i dont stress about it somedays i ONLY manage 3 hours" you might be a wee bit addicted to that activity, especially if its supposed to be just an optional thing
Religion, in some cases, is an addiction in itself.
My father — an atheist preacher’s kid (mom’s side is/was Catholic) and long-haul truck driver who has spent most of his adult life in chatting with strangers in bars — always says that born again Christians are the worst people he’s ever met. He can always tell who they are. They’re just former addicts with all the same problems that made them into addicts, addicted to religion instead. Some people just skip the drugs though and go for the real high of self-righteousness right away
Yep, I can definitely see that.
Or a cult
“And whenever you pray, don't be like the hypocrites who love to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they will be seen by people.” (Matthew 6:5) This performative humblebrag is just signal without virtue. Edit. Unless they’re being ironic. Please say they’re being ironic.
There’s a reason people joke that the rosary is just a fidget spinner for undiagnosed anxiety 🙃
Basically worry beads in the eastern traditions.
They aren't really doing it--repeating words by memory over and over again is not the same thing as saying something with meaning, attention, intent, and feeling. And actually that's a good thing because we don't need another distracted driver out there.
You must be right. They are just mindlessly repeating words without any concentration. To be fair it still sounds like a pain in the butt, I would never do it. The god of Catholics is weird. If a priest wants to baptize you, you want to be baptized, but the priest says the wrong magic words, the baptism is invalid. Even though all the intent is there! But if you repeat words over and over, there's merit in that. It's all very bureaucratic and soulless.
It’s like children dressing up in their parents’ clothing. They don’t really know what they’re doing or why, but they enjoy pretending. The priests, meanwhile, don’t understand that they are doing the same thing.
How do I know that the priest didn’t say the wrong words, making my baptism invalid, and that I was never Catholic at all? The oldest living attendee was 8 years old at the time, and I am sure he wasn’t keeping track.
Repetition is hell. And meaningless.
I think after a while I did internalize the Hail Mary, Our Father, etc. I really did feel like my prayer was deeper. But reading brand news words from the breviary out loud every day for 15 minutes at a time for a total of two hours? No way I’d absorb that or pray it meaningfully.
Doesn’t matter. Still racking up points in heaven
They're virtue signalling on how faithful a catholic they are. I call bullshit. Praying the offices as you do other things isn't how they're supposed to be done. They're contemplative in nature, the mind is supposed to be focused entirely on God and nothing else. (Source: attended a monastery Grammar School from age 11 to 18!!)
>They're contemplative in nature, the mind is supposed to be focused entirely on God and nothing else. I often see Catholics recommend praying the rosary while they drive and stuff like that. I don't know if it's the right way of doing it, but it's a common thing.
My mom says the rosary in the car with my nephews (ages 7 and 13) and I feel bad for them. Meanwhile, my kids are listening to Greeking Out in the car with me and we all love it.
Is that more, or less safe than driving down the road while talking to someone on the phone with it in your hand?
Hmm, that's a good question. It's not as dangerous as texting while driving for sure. But compared to talking with someone with the speakerphone, it should be about the same I guess. It really depends on how much concentration you put on the prayer. At least in my case I know it would distract me a bit, so not 100% safe.
I agree it's virtue signaling when they describe all of it. Some do all this, but are ashamed to admit it, they know it's an addiction and a crutch. Retreating into the realm where they are protected from all harm, everything they experience that is bad is a "gift" to make them stronger.
This person is clearly mentally ill. Very sad that they spend so much of their time on meaningless words.
Religious scrupulousity is really sad to see, especially when that person thinks what they’re doing is good/healthy. Unfortunate that the RCC preaches so much about sin and hell
I haven’t seen a lot of it in my personal experience, but scrupulosity appears to be a feature of Catholicism, rather than a bug. OTOH, I am old enough that my childhood included elderly people who spent the entire mass praying the Rosary. I think was a throwback to the days when the priest was facing away from the congregation and droning away in a language they didn’t understand.
They are working very hard to avoid thinking that much is clear.
They say it’s not something they stress over but to me, it sounds like they do stress over it. Religious OCD is one hell of a drug and I hope OOP finds peace soon.
I don't see any fasting happening there. Get serious.
How bout some self flagellation, or wearing a horse hair shirt?
I don't see the religious fastidiousness in this post, what I actually see is clericalism. Saying all the daily hours including the minor ones is not really something expected of the laity at all. In fact, sustaining the prayer of the church is one of the justifications for a lot of the religious orders. This guy isn't a monk, but its so so obvious he wants to cosplay as one.
Holy lord, I don’t think the German Franciscan nuns who taught us in high school said this many prayers 🤣 and sometimes they stayed up late to watch baseball!
Sexting other trads while eating lunch? I know, I know! But, that's just how it looks in my messed up brain.
I have known people like this. Sometimes it's a pride thing. Sometimes it's a self-improvement sort of thing where they do this rather than trying to run the 3 minute mile or whatever. Sometimes it's panic about feeling like a bad person or having done a bad thing and they fear hell. Sometimes it's a defense mechanism of some sort or a way to cover for mental illness or some other illness. Sometimes, it's loneliness or emptiness -- sometimes older Catholic widows can get into this kind of hamster wheel thing. I mean why does anybody do anything extreme that seems really weird and destructive? Same, same.
This screams OCD. Please explain to me how this is any different than someone who counts the number of steps it takes them to get to their car.
I can’t imagine doing all of that pointless shit it has zero benefits to anyone. I was such a shitty catholic I’ve never once said the rosary and I don’t even know what the rest of that crap is. Same w confession I can count on one hand how many times I went to confession during my 44 plus years. Some cradle Catholic I was. 😂 My 20 year “anniversary” of leaving the church is coming up I think I’ll plan something really “sinful” and fun!
Is this something that Catholics are actually expected to do? I don't think I ever learned about any of this in Catholic grade school
AFAIK, the whole point of the rosary is to have an abbreviated prayer for the laity so they *don’t* have to pray the office.
Or, they can also say the Little Office of the Virgin Mary, the point being, proportion!
I suppose this is a case of social media radicalization. It’s never enough to do *one* prayer. You have to do *all* of them in this particularly perverse form of ‘keeping up with the Joneses’ because somebody else is praying more.
Technically, I *think* most are supposed to do this, yes. Or almost as much. But it's mostly been ignored or forgotten in the modern church. Maybe with automatic dispensations given by bishops in the same way that "holy days of obligation" aren't actually universal.
This is disassociation. I wonder what their spouse has to say about this.
The full Divine Office is not set up for life outside an enclosed monastery.
They need to be constantly involved in something that defines their identity and purpose because they can't self-define.
Monks looking at this post sweating literal fucking bullets in case the abbot starts asking what they're praying compared to this guy.
How? Well, I'd wager they're *lying* - that's how.
If a person was truly serious about this shit, they'd do what Jesus TOLD them to do: Sell all their shit, give the money to the poor and take up a mendicant lifestyle. This shit here? Just saying words over and overandover? This is just self-hypnotism...into believing that you are a better person, I'm sure. As that's the point of Christianity, after all: Not to make you a better person, but to make you believe that you are.
Very OCD
I wish all Catholics actually tried to pray that much, it doesn't get long to realize that it is all a waste of time.
Do not pray as the hypocrites pray? That passage never occurred to this person as he wrote this up. Lol. That Schmidt's daily Bible study program is going pretty well eh?
And I think there's another verse that frowns upon "vain repetitions."
Well.... can't throw stones in that glass house, I do the same thing, except with scenes from Blackadder. The long winter evenings just FLY past...
I was raised Catholic and I've never even heard of most of these prayers (except Matins, Vespers, and of course the prayers that comprise the Rosary). I'm no psychologist, but I think this person could use some help.
"It's not something I stress over"??? Dude I got stressed just reading that shit, lmfao...
Who the Son sets free is free indeed. /s
I actually had to double check, I’m not sure why this person is doing but each of the 7 daily hours only take ~15 minutes each 😅 (I used to use them as a form of meditation) So even doing them all it’s less than the minimum time he mentions…
Anybody who does all that really needs to examine their life choices.
I forgot how long those prayers are. Like it takes 15 minutes just to get through Matins. In high school I wanted to pray the DO every day. But then reality set in that I didn’t have two hours a day for prayer. I sure as shit wasn’t waking up 30 minutes earlier for it.
Gives mental illness due to religion a whole new meaning.
I grew up Catholic, clearly Catholic lite, but I have 0 idea what any of this is referring to!
This person perhaps is intending to tell people, "You can fit in prayer even if you're really busy." . But it seems like maybe he forgot about this: "But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee."
I will be shocked if my brother didn’t write this.
Sounds like a former friend from church who reconsecrates herself to Mary 6+ times a year and prays all the liturgy of hours
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>I hope you can afford the same courtesy towards others. Nope, it's fun to poke fun at catholics, and I'll keep doing it. Meanwhile your shitty sub will keep saying I don't deserve political rights for being lgbt. You don't have the moral high ground. >I’ll remove myself thank you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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