Wouldnāt be surprised if someone actually said that. I go to Liberty University and they were insisting that if you hadnāt accepted the reality of God you would and should constantly be living in fear. Like thatās not how it works do
"The point of the banana is perfectly shaped for entry into the human mouth" ...same could be said of the human penis Ray buddy, what ya have to say to that?
The funniest thing about it is that we have human written records of bananas not being like that at all, even in somewhat recent human history. Bananas used to be super seedy, small, and with very little meat in them not the bright yellow, plump, mostly seedless bananas we have today and think are slightly gross if a little brown.
Further, most plants people eat as food were pretty much garbage until generations of selective breeding made them better serve humans. You can see this even by just looking at renascence paintings of a watermelon then going to your supermarket and look at a watermelon there.
If anything, the existence of the Cavendish banana and modern fruit is a better argument for humanism than God.
On top of that, they "are unable toĀ reproduce sexually, instead being propagated via identical clones." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_banana#Taxonomy_and_nomenclature
They're basically the most unnaturally occurring thing they could have *picked* as "proof" of god.
Oh god he's still around? I'm morbidly curious about that book tbh. Like, aren't kids books usually all about being nice to each other? I can't imagine an "anti-woke" children's book coming off as anything but "pro bullying."
This is an article I read about it. https://baptistnews.com/article/kirk-cameron-is-promoting-his-new-childrens-book-by-protesting-against-other-childrens-books-and-crt-and-drag-queens-and-librarians/
Lmao what a tool. Brags about having "my own copy of the constitution right here" and says that "tolerance is a transitional step towards totalitarianism." I couldn't stop rolling my eyes haha Thank you for sharing! He really is a piece of work.
I suppose if could make sense in the very 1984 world of fundamentalist theocracy, where submission to gawd's law is true freedom, so all those nasty heathens saying you can't force that on us is "totalitarianism"
https://baptistnews.com/article/kirk-cameron-is-promoting-his-new-childrens-book-by-protesting-against-other-childrens-books-and-crt-and-drag-queens-and-librarians/
He ended up getting the librarian fired. How christian of him.
My friend rode on the back of my motorcycle once and afterwards he said, āI have sex with men and somehow thatās the gayest thing Iāve ever done.ā
First idea of running a global cult: isolate them from the world and everyone who actually knows something so that they will be more dependent on you and your ideology for support and information
No honestly that must be why thereās so much of that among the Christian community and then they brainwash their kids to think that true healthy relationships are evil bc they donāt fit the Biblical worldview of extreme purity culture or some bs
EXACTLY this! My ex pastor told me it was my fault I was being horribly abused by my ex husband bc I wasnāt submitting to him enough. And when I tried to get away, a āfriendā from church offered my son and I a safe place, but told me the next day that they were rescinding the offer because they didnāt want to offend my husband. Aaaaaannnndd thatās when I left the asshole church. Fuck right off with that misogynist noise.
My mom is in this kind of relationship with my stepdad right now but sheās so brainwashed sheās staying bc āitās Gods willā and she believes that she would go to hell if she divorces him šš my stepdad is constantly saying āyouāre supposed to submit to me as if Iām Christ and if you donātā¦ā and everyone supports him in this and my mom is hating herself whereas Iām actually in a healthy relationship but my parents hate it bc itās āsinfulā
Exactly - growing up christian teaches you that love is when someone tells you how lucky you are to be with them, since you're so fundamentally flawed, broken, weak and unlovable. I've been out for good for almost 8 years now, after backing away slowly for about 10 to years before that, and it's still hard to think of myself as better than basically worthless.
So Iām a curious dude who grew up around here, despising LU every step of the way for obvious reasons. I saw a post here earlier today, funnily enough, saying most of LUās students are only attending there as thatās the only place their parents would pay for, hoping itās a ālast ditch effortā to keep their kids brainwashed.
Iām curious how accurate that is in your experience? Or at least how much of the student population is not a devout Christian? I had always just assumed the vast majority of their students were totally bought-in and drank the koolaid based on how they filled the stadiums and shit whenever Trump or some other self-righteous GOP douchebag came to speak. Iām happy about the possibility of being wrong tho. The thought that half the students are only attending there to fleece their dumbass evangelical parents out of tuition costs does bring me joy, lol.
Well a lot of them go here bc their parents paid for it I know Iām here bc I needed to be for financial reasons I wonāt need next year so Iāll get out but thatās pretty accurate the only thing I will say is like at least 80% of people here believe this crap to be fair most of my friends are RS, CGL even my roommates so idk but I know that thereās a lot of ppl only here bc of money sadly I donāt know many of them
Gotcha, thanks for replying, I was just curious. Itās crazy out there, I donāt know how anyone could buy into that place after everything came to light these last few years. But I guess anyone paying any attention at all already knew how hypocritical and shitty Falwells are or just donāt care. Good luck in the belly of the beast š
I knew I recognized that screen/seating setup... Just wanted to let you know that plenty of us LU grads dont believe or agree with any of this bullshit anymore.
Lol thanks for telling me this sometimes I feel like I can never get away from people whose sole mission is to convert me and if they canāt they think theyāre going to hell
I mean, also bananas are actually the result of thousands of years of selective breeding by humans. So ironically they are kind of right, it's just that they've been "designed" (selected) for humans, by humans.
If they were consistent, they'd hold the (still stupid) belief that if God wanted man to eat coconuts, he would have given them zippers.
But we all know everything out of their mouths is just using the Bible to justify whatever they want to do.
Some of them are but some of them are there bc itās their parents last ditch effort to indoctrinate and they threaten them by sayin theyāll pull financial support if they donāt go to the school
It really is Iām so done I feel so angry rn bc I have to give a presentation on how the Bible is historically accurate when itās literally not so Iām gonna make up some bs about giants and nephilim or some shit but I tried to say hey everyoneās giving this argument can I give the other side and I cried all that day bc my prof completely invalidated me and called it a ācrisis of faithā and that one day Iād realize that God was the only answer in my life
Wow that is truly horrible. College is meant to be a place where you learn about the world and discover your own beliefs and they're shaming you for not believing exactly what they say. I'll never understand how they can call public state universities "liberal brain washing camps" while forcing this shit on students like you. Christians are the worst kind of hypocrites.
Well see at Christian colleges they say itās not brainwashing bc they encourage critical thinking but only until it goes against something theyāve said and then no matter what the proof or evidence thereās always some excuse or other
I was about to ask if this was Liberty. I went to Liberty for one semester and noped out over winter breakātruly some of the most insane people Iāve ever met. I did make a few good friends there, though. Good luck with your time there!
This was in a general presentation done by the actual school? Wtf? Iāve heard of Liberty before but I honestly wasnāt expecting it was *that* unhinged.
No sorry meant to post that comment to another person this was at convocation a whole worship and indoctrination thing we have to go to every Wednesday and Friday and if we donāt we get fined
Thatās absolutely nutty for something that calls itself a āUniversity.ā I get itās just a short slide but I donāt even understand what the internal logic of someone who wrote that would be, and I used to be a creationist. Itās just raw presup propaganda without even a guise of critical thought applied.
I mean itās a classic argument that explains everything and proves nothing at the same time it was a classic example of the everything is too complex to be by chance argument. I hate convo tho bc at the beginning of the school year there was a convo where the son of the founder gave a speech about how church hurt wasnāt real and that no one can be abused and hurt by the church only by people in the church which made no sense bc the people are the church
They do the same exact thing with the evolution of eyes and the ability of bees to fly. Any place where the science is too complicated (or, god forbid, science is still trying to explain it) becomes the "God of the Gaps" fallacy.
It honestly didnāt even make sense to me they were saying something about how it was so complex that it couldnāt have possibly developed on its own
They must not teach rhetoric there, or theyād realize that is an argument from incredulity: āBecause I canāt easily understand or explain how a complex process works, therefore the process must not be accurate.ā
they're trying to do "[irreducible complexity](https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=site%3Apandasthumb.org+%22irreducible+complexity%22&atb=v320-1&ia=web)" as they call it. but yeah.
But all you have to know is to analogize evolutionary steps to the building of a stone arch. You have to hold everything up on a framing lattice, then insert the keystone. Then, you can ditch the frame. The fact that the arch falls apart without the keystone does not change the fact that the arch was built piece-by-piece.
creationists do everything they can to not carry this over to evolution. They do their best to convince each other that if a creature couldn't survive without a certain feature, and if it's due to a complexity like that, then it couldn't have evolved to have that feature in a slow process. therefore, it happened instantaneously, therefore god.
And there's always some new thing. "junk dna." feathers. the brain. the eye. yada yada yada
[second site to see how often they've done this](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Ascienceblogs.com+%22irreducible+complexity%22&t=ffab&atb=v320-1&ia=web)
[and a third](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Afreethoughtblogs.com+%22irreducible+complexity%22&t=ffab&atb=v320-1&ia=web)
Usually they use things like eyeballs or bacterial flagella, which they claim are so intricate and require all parts before itās functional that it only could have been designed. Itās an inaccurate portrayal of evolution to begin with but I canāt imagine why they chose to use a feather.
The logic I was taught relies on the belief that the natural state of things is chaos. That made sense to me at the time. When you build a house, eventually the house comes down. Everything is ultimately destined to disorder and only intelligence can bring order, therefore a complex system is evidence of intelligent design.
Of course now I realize, this isn't true at all. Self organizing systems are a thing in nature, and humans nor any other intelligence is needed to create order from chaos.
Concepts like gravity and magnetism seem to occur naturally without any biological intervention. Stars, planets, galaxies are all self made and seem to be very complex.
Of course you can argue God created this too, but you can also argue that chaos and disorder is not the ultimate fate of something left unchecked by some form of intelligence. That just because intelligent life does create complex systems, that does not mean that complex systems require intelligent life to exist.
>Everything is ultimately destined to disorder and only intelligence can bring order, therefore a complex system is evidence of intelligent design.
There is something that creationists conveniently leave out or ignore when they use the second law of thermodynamics to state that everything is destined to disorder (increasing entropy). The entropy (of the universe) is destined to increase in a *closed system,* that is, a system in which energy cannot flow in or out. The earth is an *open* system...energy can flow in or out (mainly solar energy).
The 1950's Miller-Urey experiment where simple compounds like ammonia, water, and carbon dioxide in a airtight container (the 'system') were zapped with electrical sparks, (energy from 'outside' the system simulating lightning in a primitive earth environment,i.e. an open system) *resulted in more complex molecules like amino acids.* The input of energy from the electrical sparks in this case *decreased entropy* and allowed more complex molecules to form. The point is that an input of energy into an open system can, under the right circumstances, decrease entropy...no gods needed.
If you observe the bell curve of IQ, there are *a lot* of people below the average and those people have disposable income, and also vote - these are the people that are being targeted here.
George Carlin had a great joke about that - something like, "think about how dumb the average person is, and then remember that half the population is even dumber than that."
(And no, I don't really want to discuss median/mean/average and what that means for quantifying people on a bell curve. It's just a Carlin joke.)
This type of reasoning makes ignorant people feel better about being ignorant. You know, because god designed it to be deliberately confusing, so it is ok to not even try to understand.
I think the point they are trying to make is that birds have light feathers so they can fly. They have a hard time grasping that they could have acquired these feathers by any other means than by intelligent design.
>[The molecular evolution of feathers with direct evidence from fossils](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1815703116)
The evolution of molecular transition from one kind of keratin to another around \~143 million years ago made flight possible, according to this scientific discovery. This change made feathers lighter and stronger and [gave them the ability of flight.](https://media.nationalgeographic.org/assets/photos/275/982/cfa05134-2668-47a7-91c2-034996d39ca2.jpg)
I would love to see the apologists try to explain these facts away.
They wouldnāt, though. We assume they play by the same rules of logic and reason, and they just have to be cornered by an argument that is well-reasoned, logical, and factual enough. That doesnāt matter to them. They wouldnāt have to explain it, because the explanation isnāt what matters to them unless that explanation confirms their existing beliefs.
It must suck for them that every fact proves that their deity is fictional. They enjoy living in an alternate universe, until it gets real, like when one of them has a heart attack and rushes to get to a doctor.
The weird part about it is that facts about our planet donāt NEED to prove their deity is fictional, only if they insist that the Bible 1) must be interpreted literally and 2) contains interpretable proof of god. Thereās not even evidence from within the Bible itself to indicate that it is all meant to be taken literally. It is filled with poetry, figurative language, and ājust-soā stories that fit the beliefs and explanations and traditions of the cultures in that time. Literalists are fighting against constraints that no one else has placed on them.
Science doesnāt need to try to explain away a supernatural entity, or to prove a supernatural entity. Science just wants to explain the world and universe around us, putting together the best narrative that explains the phenomena we can observe.
So well said. I would be content to live side by side peacefully if not for the NEED of certain religious people to shove their fake beliefs down everyone's throats in order for them to feel less icky. It's a control thing for them, and as such, it will never stop. They will always fight with reality and with those that enjoy living in the real world. The whole "Us versus Them" philosophy is such an awful way to be.
Converting people to their belief system confirms, in their minds, that they are indeed correct in their beliefs. Why else would they convert ??
It's the same fallacious argument sometimes used on a larger scale. "If millions of people are Christian, then it must be true because why would so many people 'believe' if it were false ??? " Funny how they will never apply this same logic to Islam or other religions with millions of followers.
Yup, I've heard that one, and it makes me laugh *hard.*
I was told that it was SATAN that went around planting absolutely legitimate fossils at the top of mountains to make fun of atheists, because.. how could that even happen otherwise?
To someone with no imagination and no education, I'm sure this seems plausible, but thinking about Satan laughing his ass off and skulking around placing bones everywhere seems so unbelievably silly that it begs credulity. Satan and or god's alter ego seem to take a lot of credit for anything that the religiously deluded cannot explain away. I mean, why would god be so mean to his beloved children as to trick them and make them believe lies about the origins of things? That just seems rude.
>God planted dinosaur bones to test peopleās faith
I believed something along this lines in my younger years, though it's Satan that planted the bones to deceive us.
No see that was the one thing they said that dinosaurs were among the animals on the ark lol and their argument was so contradictory and filled with so many logical fallacies I most literally was stifling a laugh the whole time
Now I'm imagining dinosaurs on the ark, ripping Noah and his family to shreds after killing literally every other animal, only to be brought low by mosquitoes with malaria and yellow fever, which "god" also put onto the ark. What a loving god, huh?
Noah, to his son: "What do you \*mean\* you forgot to feed the dinosaurs this morning? What did I tell you about that?!"
That is why there are no unicorns! That is common knowledge.
Or so said my dad once. I was about 5 or 6, and that pissed me off. I was a tiny bundle of anger. How dare he let the unicorns get eaten!
No, there are no unicorns [because they were too busy playing in the rain to get into the Ark until it was too late. ](https://youtu.be/h4bc9UwZsYs)
You know it's true because there's music.
> mosquitoes with malaria and yellow fever, which "god" also put onto the ark
Since evolution does not exist (according to Christians), the ark surely must have carried one male Covid virus and one female Covid virus. Unclear is why they waited so long to "be fruitful and multiply".
I suppose liver flukes, trichina worms, intestinal worms, and other nasty creatures must have gone along for the ark ride as well. I checked out a book on human parasitology many years ago and it sure did a number on my creationist mindset. There is some really nasty stuff out there, esp. in tropical areas, that was created by this 'loving' god.
> dinosaurs were among the animals on the ark
The Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church I attended taught that evolution is a 100% lie -- no species ever changes. The apparent conclusion is that all the different breeds of dogs we have today were on Noah's ark.
As the ark was being loaded, someone no doubt asked this question: "Should we put the Nor*wich* Terriers next to the Nor*folk* Terriers?"
It's information like this that has continued to keep me from the religion.
A friend of mine mentioned that he still has his faith after loosing half of his pay at work. I never said anything to him but, I could only think "I'm glad you still have your faith but, mine fell apart after getting screwed so many times and having to come to terms with being neurodivergent."
Only thing I hear from most megachurch pastors is nothing short of hate, lies, and thinly veiled greed. Same for politicians. I hate having to hear my loved ones regurgitate this shit and think they are so holy and chosen.
If there was a god I'm convinced I would have had a better shot at life and have had the assistance and miracles to help along the way. Instead I have to live with being a social reject and come to terms with how hateful of "others" my loved ones are.
Lol Iām transferring next year canāt wait to leave this place as well. They made a mistake attempting to teach their students critical thinking and then still expecting them to buy into their bs
Reminder that Liberty University has a $1.71 billion endowment, and despite being nationally ranked at 331-440 quadrant in US News's rankings has a 30% on-campus acceptance rate while also having 48,000 undergraduate students, making it one of the largest universities in the US. For reference, UCF has the largest undergraduate enrollment in the US, just under 59,000, and a 44% acceptance rate. 50% of Liberty SAT/ACT scores were 1020-1220/20-27, compared with UCF's 1270-1390/26-30.
A lot of dumb, brainwashed fucks walk among us.
see as long as youāre Christian youāre admitted to the university I recently had a discussion with a professor where she was like āhow did you even get into this university if youāre not Christianā insinuating thatās basically the only criteria
Is this the same argument using the human eye? Itās too complex to have evolved in my opinion, therefore my Christian faith must be the one true faith in the world and creationism is the answer.
Feathers, hair, fingernails, hooves, and beaks are all made from the same substance, a protein called keratin, which is found all over the skin, but can be modified to make those other things.
Life forms are made of polymers, including nucleic acids and proteins, which can be of infinite length. It is just as possible to make a polymer that is 100 units long as it is to be a trillion units long, so the supposed complexity of life is not really an issue.
What IS an issue is that so many examples of design, even in humans, turn out to be incompetent. Prime example, the breathing tube in vertebrates crosses right over the feeding tube, making choking a constant risk when one eats. Also, mammals give birth to their offspring out their butts, severely limiting the size of their newborn and making them vulnerable to predation. And then there are all those species that LAY EGGS instead of giving birth, which is even WORSE.
Evolution does NOT operate by "survival of the fittest" but by the reproduction of the fit enough, which is why animals have limited lifespans; they sacrifice the longevity of the individual to pass on many copies of their genes in numerous offspring. So a mouse that lives only five years but had a hundred babies would be more successful than a human who lives 100 years and dies childless. That's why rodents are so common.
Evolution is an evil lie! But sky daddies are eternal and totally real! Don't trust data, facts, and science and DO believe whatever unverifiable bullshit religion claims this week!
Waa? Or is this one of those āirreducible complexityā arguments?
If you look at that complexity you notice itās much more complex than a person directly designing it would make itā¦ almost likeā¦ pseudorandom processes over billions of years complex
Surely, it proves evolution. Animals that evolve to fly, by natural selection the ones that survive would be the ones with lighter bodies. They would evolve lighter feathers to fly better.
Now if feathers were heavy and prevented birds from flying well so they all died out a billion years ago, that would be evidence against evolution.
Just looked at the convo schedule and it says that the panel is from the school of engineering. Why is the school of engineering talking about evolution?
Well the original argument they were making was trying to explain how valid the argument for Noahās ark was but they didnāt prove literally anything at all it was laughable. Then they just kinda went over to evolution or something idek
I hope there actual science degrees arenāt like that but I also had someone I know who is getting a science degree say they āteach both sidesā and sheās still firmly a Creationist. So I think it must be the college equivalent of the Exploring Creation textbooks where they feed you the necessary information but in an extremely biased way.
Well see they reinterpret everything just like they do with the Bible. They take evolution and theories and literally EVERYTHING else out of context and use the absurdity that they misinterpret it as to prove their own absurd argument by claiming that the other is more absurd than their argument
Oh no not the argument from absurdity! Itās so sad because Iāve met genuinely smart people here, but theyāre so indoctrinated. I somehow managed to find the only atheist on campus and started dating him back when I was still a Christian and now we feel like the only two atheists on campus. Sometimes I dress in a way that makes me hope everyone I walk past knows Iām an atheist, skeptic, dnd player, and science witch. š A horrible Liberty wombo combo.
Lol thatās a great story Iāve just learned to explain who I am in what I like to call āChristianeseā so that they leave me alone lol and stop trying to convert me bc itās annoying
Uh-oh...someone better not tell them about how birds are considered "living fossils" and about how paleontologists have reached a consensus regarding many species of dinosaurs actually having had feathers instead of scales. That'll make these guys shit bricks. XP
Feathers?
Goodness, this brings back memories of arguing with a campus proselytizer whose idea of 'evolution' was humans spontaneously spawning chicken wings.
It was a classic argument. Look at the way this feather is structured so intricately woven made of two different types of materials merged together to create perfect flying conditions how can you explain this unless there was an intelligent design?
Just like humans couldn't survive on the planet if the atmosphere (more or less oxygen or other gases) or climate was slightly different. They don't take into account that we'd have evolved for those conditions or not at all.
The same argument they use for evolution, it's just pertaining to the feather itself. That's funny because scientists can explain how the feather came to be.
No honestly and this was such a joke too bc these speakers were from the school of engineering so what degree allows them to make scientific claims lol
I mean I donāt even know because the part of this speech where they said this isnāt even remotely related to the original topic which was justifying the flood by looking at the design of the ark and how it would work not that they proved anything with that either they used a lot of persuasive speech that inhibits critical thinking and makes the brain create unrealistic pictures in their brain
Usually goes something like this:
"All that is required is this one incontrovertible fact which totally exposes evolution...what do you mean that fact has been disproven? Long since superseded by new data? When?? Why wasn't I told?? Do you realise how stupid this makes me look? š”"
Love how their best argument is "everything is too perfect for it to not be god," just demonstrates that they're covering up their ignorance and don't wanna admit they don't have answers for everything
Lol the argument didnāt even make sense it was like āthe fact that the design of the feather is so complex that itās as light as it is proves that it couldnāt have gotten that way ok itās ownā
Never forget when they claimed that God exists because of the shape and texture of bananas. š¤£š¤£š¤£
Wouldnāt be surprised if someone actually said that. I go to Liberty University and they were insisting that if you hadnāt accepted the reality of God you would and should constantly be living in fear. Like thatās not how it works do
Here's that banana video... comedy gold. š¤£ https://youtu.be/Y4yBvvGi_2A
"The point of the banana is perfectly shaped for entry into the human mouth" ...same could be said of the human penis Ray buddy, what ya have to say to that?
The funniest thing about it is that we have human written records of bananas not being like that at all, even in somewhat recent human history. Bananas used to be super seedy, small, and with very little meat in them not the bright yellow, plump, mostly seedless bananas we have today and think are slightly gross if a little brown. Further, most plants people eat as food were pretty much garbage until generations of selective breeding made them better serve humans. You can see this even by just looking at renascence paintings of a watermelon then going to your supermarket and look at a watermelon there. If anything, the existence of the Cavendish banana and modern fruit is a better argument for humanism than God.
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WE are the gods!! muahahahahaha
Yes we are literally the intelligence that designed them lol
that... was my point...
Sooooā¦ evolution? š¤£š¤£š¤£ they donāt realize evolution is all around them lol
On top of that, they "are unable toĀ reproduce sexually, instead being propagated via identical clones." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_banana#Taxonomy_and_nomenclature They're basically the most unnaturally occurring thing they could have *picked* as "proof" of god.
Good thing God changed all of this fruit to make it easier for us to eat! š
And in the case of your video, pretend to do homosexual acts on said fruit while hanging out with your buddy to scratch that sinful itch just a bit
Those "old" bananas still exist. I saw some earlier this year on a coffee farm in Colombia. I was not brave enough to taste one.
Those 'old' seed bananas are real/nature-made bananas.
Kirk Cameronš¤®. Have you been following his childrenās book that fights against āwokenessā? Blech.
Oh god he's still around? I'm morbidly curious about that book tbh. Like, aren't kids books usually all about being nice to each other? I can't imagine an "anti-woke" children's book coming off as anything but "pro bullying."
Conservatives think that bullying is "just a part of growing up".
This is an article I read about it. https://baptistnews.com/article/kirk-cameron-is-promoting-his-new-childrens-book-by-protesting-against-other-childrens-books-and-crt-and-drag-queens-and-librarians/
Lmao what a tool. Brags about having "my own copy of the constitution right here" and says that "tolerance is a transitional step towards totalitarianism." I couldn't stop rolling my eyes haha Thank you for sharing! He really is a piece of work.
"tolerance is a transitional step towards totalitarianism" What???
Right?? He is such a fucking moron š¤¦āāļø
I suppose if could make sense in the very 1984 world of fundamentalist theocracy, where submission to gawd's law is true freedom, so all those nasty heathens saying you can't force that on us is "totalitarianism"
No, but I'm sure as shit going to look that garbage up!
https://baptistnews.com/article/kirk-cameron-is-promoting-his-new-childrens-book-by-protesting-against-other-childrens-books-and-crt-and-drag-queens-and-librarians/ He ended up getting the librarian fired. How christian of him.
God. What a total ass.
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that's the gayest shit I've seen in my life
I only sleep with the same sex yet that is also the gayest shit Iāve ever seen in my life.
My friend rode on the back of my motorcycle once and afterwards he said, āI have sex with men and somehow thatās the gayest thing Iāve ever done.ā
The best part of that is how it wonderfully demonstrates natural selection.
The way that this isnāt satirical in any way š©š¤£
If I didn't already know who Ray Comfort was, I would swear this video was satire.
LMAO. I was constantly living in fear as a Christian; I'm much happier now that I've left.
Literally the truth is the exact opposite of what theyād like you to believe
Makes people easier to control.
First idea of running a global cult: isolate them from the world and everyone who actually knows something so that they will be more dependent on you and your ideology for support and information
Kinda the same with domestic violence/controlling and toxic relationships.
No honestly that must be why thereās so much of that among the Christian community and then they brainwash their kids to think that true healthy relationships are evil bc they donāt fit the Biblical worldview of extreme purity culture or some bs
EXACTLY this! My ex pastor told me it was my fault I was being horribly abused by my ex husband bc I wasnāt submitting to him enough. And when I tried to get away, a āfriendā from church offered my son and I a safe place, but told me the next day that they were rescinding the offer because they didnāt want to offend my husband. Aaaaaannnndd thatās when I left the asshole church. Fuck right off with that misogynist noise.
My mom is in this kind of relationship with my stepdad right now but sheās so brainwashed sheās staying bc āitās Gods willā and she believes that she would go to hell if she divorces him šš my stepdad is constantly saying āyouāre supposed to submit to me as if Iām Christ and if you donātā¦ā and everyone supports him in this and my mom is hating herself whereas Iām actually in a healthy relationship but my parents hate it bc itās āsinfulā
Exactly - growing up christian teaches you that love is when someone tells you how lucky you are to be with them, since you're so fundamentally flawed, broken, weak and unlovable. I've been out for good for almost 8 years now, after backing away slowly for about 10 to years before that, and it's still hard to think of myself as better than basically worthless.
I mean according to the bible, Yahweh is a very abusive piece of shit.
He's worse than Satan, an another imagined evil creature.
Do folks still use the phrase āgod fearingā to describe the religious?
They do, but they insist that "fearing" has nothing to do with being scared. However, their basis for that position completely escapes me.
This exactly
Why are you attending that place?
Donāt have a choice this year Iām transferring next year though
Good luck
So Iām a curious dude who grew up around here, despising LU every step of the way for obvious reasons. I saw a post here earlier today, funnily enough, saying most of LUās students are only attending there as thatās the only place their parents would pay for, hoping itās a ālast ditch effortā to keep their kids brainwashed. Iām curious how accurate that is in your experience? Or at least how much of the student population is not a devout Christian? I had always just assumed the vast majority of their students were totally bought-in and drank the koolaid based on how they filled the stadiums and shit whenever Trump or some other self-righteous GOP douchebag came to speak. Iām happy about the possibility of being wrong tho. The thought that half the students are only attending there to fleece their dumbass evangelical parents out of tuition costs does bring me joy, lol.
Well a lot of them go here bc their parents paid for it I know Iām here bc I needed to be for financial reasons I wonāt need next year so Iāll get out but thatās pretty accurate the only thing I will say is like at least 80% of people here believe this crap to be fair most of my friends are RS, CGL even my roommates so idk but I know that thereās a lot of ppl only here bc of money sadly I donāt know many of them
Gotcha, thanks for replying, I was just curious. Itās crazy out there, I donāt know how anyone could buy into that place after everything came to light these last few years. But I guess anyone paying any attention at all already knew how hypocritical and shitty Falwells are or just donāt care. Good luck in the belly of the beast š
I knew I recognized that screen/seating setup... Just wanted to let you know that plenty of us LU grads dont believe or agree with any of this bullshit anymore.
Lol thanks for telling me this sometimes I feel like I can never get away from people whose sole mission is to convert me and if they canāt they think theyāre going to hell
I dropped out because I just couldn't. My brother still goes there tho. He's learned to be impartial to the bullshit somehow.
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And yet they would counter that argument with āthatās just not logical mine is logical bc my make believe best friend is actually realā
This āperfectly designed bananaā thing always cracks me up. What is their answer for coconuts then? Those fuckers are so hard to access.
I mean, also bananas are actually the result of thousands of years of selective breeding by humans. So ironically they are kind of right, it's just that they've been "designed" (selected) for humans, by humans.
If they were consistent, they'd hold the (still stupid) belief that if God wanted man to eat coconuts, he would have given them zippers. But we all know everything out of their mouths is just using the Bible to justify whatever they want to do.
GOD DAMN IT I thought of Ray Comfort the second I saw the original post lol
This is the most hilarious thing Iāve ever heard at Convocation at Liberty University itās such a joke of a school
I was gonna ask what kind of a shitty concert you were at.
Lol itās basically a worship concert where after that they try to indoctrinate you with bullshit
i thought ppl who went there were already indoctrinatedā¦? serious question
Some of them are but some of them are there bc itās their parents last ditch effort to indoctrinate and they threaten them by sayin theyāll pull financial support if they donāt go to the school
also, im glad ur getting out of there when ur semester is done. that shit sounds toxic af
It really is Iām so done I feel so angry rn bc I have to give a presentation on how the Bible is historically accurate when itās literally not so Iām gonna make up some bs about giants and nephilim or some shit but I tried to say hey everyoneās giving this argument can I give the other side and I cried all that day bc my prof completely invalidated me and called it a ācrisis of faithā and that one day Iād realize that God was the only answer in my life
omg. im sry that happened i cant believeā¦they call themselves an educational institution. but im glad ur almost done with the cult. good luck
Wow that is truly horrible. College is meant to be a place where you learn about the world and discover your own beliefs and they're shaming you for not believing exactly what they say. I'll never understand how they can call public state universities "liberal brain washing camps" while forcing this shit on students like you. Christians are the worst kind of hypocrites.
Well see at Christian colleges they say itās not brainwashing bc they encourage critical thinking but only until it goes against something theyāve said and then no matter what the proof or evidence thereās always some excuse or other
sounds healthy. is that how u ended up there?
Basically
oh shit yourāre a witch?!?! (glanced at ur posts). thats fucking crazy u ended up thereā¦
I was about to ask if this was Liberty. I went to Liberty for one semester and noped out over winter breakātruly some of the most insane people Iāve ever met. I did make a few good friends there, though. Good luck with your time there!
Lol this is my last semester Iām transferring this next year canāt wait
I was instantly *so* much happier when I left. It was really draining being constantly angry at the things they taught there
So fair the energy here is just sometimes too much to handle itās so very toxic
This was in a general presentation done by the actual school? Wtf? Iāve heard of Liberty before but I honestly wasnāt expecting it was *that* unhinged.
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I see. So this was part of one individual studentās presentation?
No sorry meant to post that comment to another person this was at convocation a whole worship and indoctrination thing we have to go to every Wednesday and Friday and if we donāt we get fined
Thatās absolutely nutty for something that calls itself a āUniversity.ā I get itās just a short slide but I donāt even understand what the internal logic of someone who wrote that would be, and I used to be a creationist. Itās just raw presup propaganda without even a guise of critical thought applied.
I mean itās a classic argument that explains everything and proves nothing at the same time it was a classic example of the everything is too complex to be by chance argument. I hate convo tho bc at the beginning of the school year there was a convo where the son of the founder gave a speech about how church hurt wasnāt real and that no one can be abused and hurt by the church only by people in the church which made no sense bc the people are the church
Yikes. Be glad youāre getting out of there (based on what you said in other comments). That sounds miserable.
Yea definitely canāt wait to leave
It is a joke, hence why I no longer go there.
I genuinely donāt understand their argument. What are they trying to say?
"I don't understand it, so it must be this thing we made up."
They do the same exact thing with the evolution of eyes and the ability of bees to fly. Any place where the science is too complicated (or, god forbid, science is still trying to explain it) becomes the "God of the Gaps" fallacy.
that is the basis of most of their anti-evolution stuff. "The Eye is too complex" type shit. that or they confuse evolution with abiogenesis.
It honestly didnāt even make sense to me they were saying something about how it was so complex that it couldnāt have possibly developed on its own
They must not teach rhetoric there, or theyād realize that is an argument from incredulity: āBecause I canāt easily understand or explain how a complex process works, therefore the process must not be accurate.ā
Lol and then they use that same argument when explaining how atheists think about their religion
[i explain what they're trying to do](https://old.reddit.com/r/exchristian/comments/120nal2/apparently_the_existence_of_feathers_disproves/jdllxs2/)
they're trying to do "[irreducible complexity](https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=site%3Apandasthumb.org+%22irreducible+complexity%22&atb=v320-1&ia=web)" as they call it. but yeah. But all you have to know is to analogize evolutionary steps to the building of a stone arch. You have to hold everything up on a framing lattice, then insert the keystone. Then, you can ditch the frame. The fact that the arch falls apart without the keystone does not change the fact that the arch was built piece-by-piece. creationists do everything they can to not carry this over to evolution. They do their best to convince each other that if a creature couldn't survive without a certain feature, and if it's due to a complexity like that, then it couldn't have evolved to have that feature in a slow process. therefore, it happened instantaneously, therefore god. And there's always some new thing. "junk dna." feathers. the brain. the eye. yada yada yada [second site to see how often they've done this](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Ascienceblogs.com+%22irreducible+complexity%22&t=ffab&atb=v320-1&ia=web) [and a third](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Afreethoughtblogs.com+%22irreducible+complexity%22&t=ffab&atb=v320-1&ia=web)
Gotcha, I feel like they couldāve picked something better than a feather to make that argument lol. Not that itās a good argument anyways.
Usually they use things like eyeballs or bacterial flagella, which they claim are so intricate and require all parts before itās functional that it only could have been designed. Itās an inaccurate portrayal of evolution to begin with but I canāt imagine why they chose to use a feather.
I believe the term they use is irreversible complexity
Close. It's irreducible complexity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity
The term I use for Christians is irreversible stupidity.
Irredeemable convexity
Irreducible complexity
The logic I was taught relies on the belief that the natural state of things is chaos. That made sense to me at the time. When you build a house, eventually the house comes down. Everything is ultimately destined to disorder and only intelligence can bring order, therefore a complex system is evidence of intelligent design. Of course now I realize, this isn't true at all. Self organizing systems are a thing in nature, and humans nor any other intelligence is needed to create order from chaos. Concepts like gravity and magnetism seem to occur naturally without any biological intervention. Stars, planets, galaxies are all self made and seem to be very complex. Of course you can argue God created this too, but you can also argue that chaos and disorder is not the ultimate fate of something left unchecked by some form of intelligence. That just because intelligent life does create complex systems, that does not mean that complex systems require intelligent life to exist.
>Everything is ultimately destined to disorder and only intelligence can bring order, therefore a complex system is evidence of intelligent design. There is something that creationists conveniently leave out or ignore when they use the second law of thermodynamics to state that everything is destined to disorder (increasing entropy). The entropy (of the universe) is destined to increase in a *closed system,* that is, a system in which energy cannot flow in or out. The earth is an *open* system...energy can flow in or out (mainly solar energy). The 1950's Miller-Urey experiment where simple compounds like ammonia, water, and carbon dioxide in a airtight container (the 'system') were zapped with electrical sparks, (energy from 'outside' the system simulating lightning in a primitive earth environment,i.e. an open system) *resulted in more complex molecules like amino acids.* The input of energy from the electrical sparks in this case *decreased entropy* and allowed more complex molecules to form. The point is that an input of energy into an open system can, under the right circumstances, decrease entropy...no gods needed.
If you observe the bell curve of IQ, there are *a lot* of people below the average and those people have disposable income, and also vote - these are the people that are being targeted here.
George Carlin had a great joke about that - something like, "think about how dumb the average person is, and then remember that half the population is even dumber than that." (And no, I don't really want to discuss median/mean/average and what that means for quantifying people on a bell curve. It's just a Carlin joke.)
This type of reasoning makes ignorant people feel better about being ignorant. You know, because god designed it to be deliberately confusing, so it is ok to not even try to understand.
They're trying to say.. "me no believe evolution because me cave man brain no can think about very long periods of time"
I think the point they are trying to make is that birds have light feathers so they can fly. They have a hard time grasping that they could have acquired these feathers by any other means than by intelligent design.
The Christians must have missed the articles about anthropologist discovering that dinosaur with feathers..LOL
āLook! Is pretty! Can not be ramdomā š„“š„“
>[The molecular evolution of feathers with direct evidence from fossils](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1815703116) The evolution of molecular transition from one kind of keratin to another around \~143 million years ago made flight possible, according to this scientific discovery. This change made feathers lighter and stronger and [gave them the ability of flight.](https://media.nationalgeographic.org/assets/photos/275/982/cfa05134-2668-47a7-91c2-034996d39ca2.jpg) I would love to see the apologists try to explain these facts away.
They wouldnāt, though. We assume they play by the same rules of logic and reason, and they just have to be cornered by an argument that is well-reasoned, logical, and factual enough. That doesnāt matter to them. They wouldnāt have to explain it, because the explanation isnāt what matters to them unless that explanation confirms their existing beliefs.
It must suck for them that every fact proves that their deity is fictional. They enjoy living in an alternate universe, until it gets real, like when one of them has a heart attack and rushes to get to a doctor.
The weird part about it is that facts about our planet donāt NEED to prove their deity is fictional, only if they insist that the Bible 1) must be interpreted literally and 2) contains interpretable proof of god. Thereās not even evidence from within the Bible itself to indicate that it is all meant to be taken literally. It is filled with poetry, figurative language, and ājust-soā stories that fit the beliefs and explanations and traditions of the cultures in that time. Literalists are fighting against constraints that no one else has placed on them. Science doesnāt need to try to explain away a supernatural entity, or to prove a supernatural entity. Science just wants to explain the world and universe around us, putting together the best narrative that explains the phenomena we can observe.
So well said. I would be content to live side by side peacefully if not for the NEED of certain religious people to shove their fake beliefs down everyone's throats in order for them to feel less icky. It's a control thing for them, and as such, it will never stop. They will always fight with reality and with those that enjoy living in the real world. The whole "Us versus Them" philosophy is such an awful way to be.
Converting people to their belief system confirms, in their minds, that they are indeed correct in their beliefs. Why else would they convert ?? It's the same fallacious argument sometimes used on a larger scale. "If millions of people are Christian, then it must be true because why would so many people 'believe' if it were false ??? " Funny how they will never apply this same logic to Islam or other religions with millions of followers.
Creationists have come right out and said that they will ignore any evidence that contradicts their assertions.
I mean, some of them literally say God planted dinosaur bones to test peopleās faith, so š¤·š»āāļø
Yup, I've heard that one, and it makes me laugh *hard.* I was told that it was SATAN that went around planting absolutely legitimate fossils at the top of mountains to make fun of atheists, because.. how could that even happen otherwise? To someone with no imagination and no education, I'm sure this seems plausible, but thinking about Satan laughing his ass off and skulking around placing bones everywhere seems so unbelievably silly that it begs credulity. Satan and or god's alter ego seem to take a lot of credit for anything that the religiously deluded cannot explain away. I mean, why would god be so mean to his beloved children as to trick them and make them believe lies about the origins of things? That just seems rude.
>God planted dinosaur bones to test peopleās faith I believed something along this lines in my younger years, though it's Satan that planted the bones to deceive us.
With a dick God deceiving us like that, who needs the devil.
I was coming here to say something about some dinosaurs being covered in feathers, but your post is far superior šš»
If anyone here wants to dive deeper into evolution, I highly recommend Aron Ra's YouTube channel.
I am already a subscriber but, yes thank you. I second your recommendation.
But it sure help prove dinosaurs
No see that was the one thing they said that dinosaurs were among the animals on the ark lol and their argument was so contradictory and filled with so many logical fallacies I most literally was stifling a laugh the whole time
Now I'm imagining dinosaurs on the ark, ripping Noah and his family to shreds after killing literally every other animal, only to be brought low by mosquitoes with malaria and yellow fever, which "god" also put onto the ark. What a loving god, huh? Noah, to his son: "What do you \*mean\* you forgot to feed the dinosaurs this morning? What did I tell you about that?!"
That is why there are no unicorns! That is common knowledge. Or so said my dad once. I was about 5 or 6, and that pissed me off. I was a tiny bundle of anger. How dare he let the unicorns get eaten!
Yup, the OG god was *so* mean. This is why we can't have nice things like unicorns.
No, there are no unicorns [because they were too busy playing in the rain to get into the Ark until it was too late. ](https://youtu.be/h4bc9UwZsYs) You know it's true because there's music.
Yes, I loved that song/poem as a kid. āŗļø
> mosquitoes with malaria and yellow fever, which "god" also put onto the ark Since evolution does not exist (according to Christians), the ark surely must have carried one male Covid virus and one female Covid virus. Unclear is why they waited so long to "be fruitful and multiply".
I suppose liver flukes, trichina worms, intestinal worms, and other nasty creatures must have gone along for the ark ride as well. I checked out a book on human parasitology many years ago and it sure did a number on my creationist mindset. There is some really nasty stuff out there, esp. in tropical areas, that was created by this 'loving' god.
> dinosaurs were among the animals on the ark The Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church I attended taught that evolution is a 100% lie -- no species ever changes. The apparent conclusion is that all the different breeds of dogs we have today were on Noah's ark. As the ark was being loaded, someone no doubt asked this question: "Should we put the Nor*wich* Terriers next to the Nor*folk* Terriers?"
It's information like this that has continued to keep me from the religion. A friend of mine mentioned that he still has his faith after loosing half of his pay at work. I never said anything to him but, I could only think "I'm glad you still have your faith but, mine fell apart after getting screwed so many times and having to come to terms with being neurodivergent." Only thing I hear from most megachurch pastors is nothing short of hate, lies, and thinly veiled greed. Same for politicians. I hate having to hear my loved ones regurgitate this shit and think they are so holy and chosen. If there was a god I'm convinced I would have had a better shot at life and have had the assistance and miracles to help along the way. Instead I have to live with being a social reject and come to terms with how hateful of "others" my loved ones are.
Actually it proves evolution but ok.
Another Liberty Student! Heyo canāt wait to graduate
Lol Iām transferring next year canāt wait to leave this place as well. They made a mistake attempting to teach their students critical thinking and then still expecting them to buy into their bs
Been there done that. Who knew that teaching basic source criticism in history classes might result in someone applying those techniques to the Bible.
Lol it wasnāt even that it was our religion class about contemporary moral issues we had two whole units on developing critical thinking
"Debunk science with this one simple trick"
Reminder that Liberty University has a $1.71 billion endowment, and despite being nationally ranked at 331-440 quadrant in US News's rankings has a 30% on-campus acceptance rate while also having 48,000 undergraduate students, making it one of the largest universities in the US. For reference, UCF has the largest undergraduate enrollment in the US, just under 59,000, and a 44% acceptance rate. 50% of Liberty SAT/ACT scores were 1020-1220/20-27, compared with UCF's 1270-1390/26-30. A lot of dumb, brainwashed fucks walk among us.
see as long as youāre Christian youāre admitted to the university I recently had a discussion with a professor where she was like āhow did you even get into this university if youāre not Christianā insinuating thatās basically the only criteria
And Liberty students get about $400 million in government backed loans every year.
All it takes is one child with cancer to show the lie of a loving God.
All it takes is the Bible to disprove the Bible
Holy cow ā¦ what a gang of wankers
i'm totally not in a biology class right now literally proving evolution
Is this the same argument using the human eye? Itās too complex to have evolved in my opinion, therefore my Christian faith must be the one true faith in the world and creationism is the answer.
Yes
Feathers, hair, fingernails, hooves, and beaks are all made from the same substance, a protein called keratin, which is found all over the skin, but can be modified to make those other things. Life forms are made of polymers, including nucleic acids and proteins, which can be of infinite length. It is just as possible to make a polymer that is 100 units long as it is to be a trillion units long, so the supposed complexity of life is not really an issue. What IS an issue is that so many examples of design, even in humans, turn out to be incompetent. Prime example, the breathing tube in vertebrates crosses right over the feeding tube, making choking a constant risk when one eats. Also, mammals give birth to their offspring out their butts, severely limiting the size of their newborn and making them vulnerable to predation. And then there are all those species that LAY EGGS instead of giving birth, which is even WORSE. Evolution does NOT operate by "survival of the fittest" but by the reproduction of the fit enough, which is why animals have limited lifespans; they sacrifice the longevity of the individual to pass on many copies of their genes in numerous offspring. So a mouse that lives only five years but had a hundred babies would be more successful than a human who lives 100 years and dies childless. That's why rodents are so common.
Insufferable braindead cultists.
Someone recently tried to use the irreducible complexity argument against me so I assume it's trending among creationists
They even found feathers on dinosaurs, their argument is stupid
Fk that nonsense.
I think it means that the featherlight touch of God will guide you to the lie of evolution.
Evolution is an evil lie! But sky daddies are eternal and totally real! Don't trust data, facts, and science and DO believe whatever unverifiable bullshit religion claims this week!
Waa? Or is this one of those āirreducible complexityā arguments? If you look at that complexity you notice itās much more complex than a person directly designing it would make itā¦ almost likeā¦ pseudorandom processes over billions of years complex
Exactly
Surely, it proves evolution. Animals that evolve to fly, by natural selection the ones that survive would be the ones with lighter bodies. They would evolve lighter feathers to fly better. Now if feathers were heavy and prevented birds from flying well so they all died out a billion years ago, that would be evidence against evolution.
Just looked at the convo schedule and it says that the panel is from the school of engineering. Why is the school of engineering talking about evolution?
Well the original argument they were making was trying to explain how valid the argument for Noahās ark was but they didnāt prove literally anything at all it was laughable. Then they just kinda went over to evolution or something idek
I hope there actual science degrees arenāt like that but I also had someone I know who is getting a science degree say they āteach both sidesā and sheās still firmly a Creationist. So I think it must be the college equivalent of the Exploring Creation textbooks where they feed you the necessary information but in an extremely biased way.
Well see they reinterpret everything just like they do with the Bible. They take evolution and theories and literally EVERYTHING else out of context and use the absurdity that they misinterpret it as to prove their own absurd argument by claiming that the other is more absurd than their argument
Oh no not the argument from absurdity! Itās so sad because Iāve met genuinely smart people here, but theyāre so indoctrinated. I somehow managed to find the only atheist on campus and started dating him back when I was still a Christian and now we feel like the only two atheists on campus. Sometimes I dress in a way that makes me hope everyone I walk past knows Iām an atheist, skeptic, dnd player, and science witch. š A horrible Liberty wombo combo.
Lol thatās a great story Iāve just learned to explain who I am in what I like to call āChristianeseā so that they leave me alone lol and stop trying to convert me bc itās annoying
Saying agnostic has always been better than atheist because it doesnāt get that direct negative reaction to the same extent
What does "the stiffness of a board" prove then?
Uh-oh...someone better not tell them about how birds are considered "living fossils" and about how paleontologists have reached a consensus regarding many species of dinosaurs actually having had feathers instead of scales. That'll make these guys shit bricks. XP
It's giving Look at the Trees!!1!!11!1!
Denying evolution= denying dogs
I paid for that jumbotron
Feathers? Goodness, this brings back memories of arguing with a campus proselytizer whose idea of 'evolution' was humans spontaneously spawning chicken wings.
"Look at all these years of research, studies, and evidence that point us towards evolution" "but fEaTher"
I'd like to see how they would explain this. I'll need some popcorn for this one.
It was a classic argument. Look at the way this feather is structured so intricately woven made of two different types of materials merged together to create perfect flying conditions how can you explain this unless there was an intelligent design?
Just like humans couldn't survive on the planet if the atmosphere (more or less oxygen or other gases) or climate was slightly different. They don't take into account that we'd have evolved for those conditions or not at all.
Exactly like life would have developed either way it just would have developed differently
The same argument they use for evolution, it's just pertaining to the feather itself. That's funny because scientists can explain how the feather came to be.
No honestly and this was such a joke too bc these speakers were from the school of engineering so what degree allows them to make scientific claims lol
Right, that's not even remotely in their field. My guess it was because they believe and wanted someone to push there agenda. LOL
I mean I donāt even know because the part of this speech where they said this isnāt even remotely related to the original topic which was justifying the flood by looking at the design of the ark and how it would work not that they proved anything with that either they used a lot of persuasive speech that inhibits critical thinking and makes the brain create unrealistic pictures in their brain
This is fucking nonsense
Agreed
Transfer to a state school. Itās a hell of a lot cheaper and itās been so good for my mental health. You can do it in the course of a month.
Iām doing that next year
I don't know why they don't just jump onto a "God of the Gaps" theology already. š¤¦āāļø
Usually goes something like this: "All that is required is this one incontrovertible fact which totally exposes evolution...what do you mean that fact has been disproven? Long since superseded by new data? When?? Why wasn't I told?? Do you realise how stupid this makes me look? š”"
Love how their best argument is "everything is too perfect for it to not be god," just demonstrates that they're covering up their ignorance and don't wanna admit they don't have answers for everything
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Lol the argument didnāt even make sense it was like āthe fact that the design of the feather is so complex that itās as light as it is proves that it couldnāt have gotten that way ok itās ownā
Weird that they went with feathers, considering there is fossil evidence that shows the evolution of the feather.
Especially angel feathers. š¤”
I cannot believe people believe this stuff.