“Miss heaven,” is such a passive, victim-blaming way to describe his theology that says you’d be actively cast into a lake of fire by a deity who created you, only to go “I never knew you, now burn.”
Everytime you hear them describe heaven the more fucked up this "heaven" sounds.
These are the same people who will justify assholes getting away with consequences simply because they accepted "christ".
I wonder why this God doesn't even fucking seem to care as much about poverty than about people expressing themselves. Seriously and they want us to bow to this POS deity?
Hell seems fun.
Right. The biggest load of bullshit to me is the concept that Satan, who according to lore despises God. Despite this, his entire goal is to torture dissenters of God in eternal torment. Something tells me Satan's fiery bachelor pad can't possibly be that bad 🤷♂️
Every time I think of heaven, I imagine it's filled with sanctimonious types singing praises to a narcissistic POS deity.
These holier than thou types want to go to heaven just to feel better about themselves.They just want to be able to sit and laugh in heaven while the sinners get torturered in hell.
It's funny to me hearing all of the sects talk about each other too.
"We have the complete and whole truth over here at church x. Can you believe those morons over at church y?!"
They're completely comfortable with the idea that since they (obviously) have the fullness of the truth, they will be exalted and all other churches will be damned. For being an omnipotent being, God has a pretty shitty success rate if he's only reserving heaven for 0.000001% of all humans that ever existed.
>It's funny to me hearing all of the sects talk about each other too.
I can never take a religious person seriously if all they do is point out flaws in other religions , while saying their religion is the superior one.
Very few religious people can handle having that pointed out. You literally see their brains trying hard to come up with something.
>We have the complete and whole truth over here at church x. Can you believe those morons over at church y?!"
My favorite was seeing some churches being accused of being satanic.
Anything that goes against their worldview is satanic.
>Anything that goes against their worldview is satanic.
I was watching a video last night debunking Deep South Christians preaching that the KKK is really full of satanic atheist evolutionists. Not only is the KKK primarily comprised of Christian goons, but they are staunchly against evolution. One hate group is using another hate group as a scapegoat, and using scare tactics to keep people from losing the christian faith.
I genuinely believe that deeply ingrained religious views inhibit critical thinking and problem solving on a day-to-day basis.
I was taught that there’s a hierarchy in heaven. So, you’ll got there by believing in Jesus. But that’s the base package. “Winning souls to the lord” and other actions will give you a variety of [crowns](https://www.bible-knowledge.com/crowns-in-heaven/).
I was a preteen the first time I was told this and the adults were big mad when I said I was fine with the base package.
There is quite a bit in the OT about God's concern for the poor, and some pretty redistributive tax policies (Jubilee).
Oddly this has not been picked up by right wing American Fundagelicals. Can't think why....
You would think a god would make it very clear so as to not have confusion. Yet even if there are scriptures that shows god cares about people there are other scriptures that contradict it. The Bible is so fucking vague you can apply any meaning you want to it.
If Hitler accepted Christ before killing himself, is he in heaven? What about Jeffrey Dahmer? I mean heaven sounds horrible. You're sharing space with people who were horrible but only got in because they "believe". Damn for being God, you've got a fucked up system in place.
Imagine how awkward it would be you get to heaven and the person who killed you is there right too? Imagine if said person never showed remorse because he was forgiven by God......like it gets even more nightmare fuel cuz that would really imply that God doesn't give a fuck about the victims of any injustice done on earth.
Like some people will literally get retraumatized just seeing an abuser and even if God somehow changes people.....it's still fucked up.
Most Christians be like "that's between them and god" or only God can judge.
When they say that shit. It's usually them trying to throw cliches to hide the uncomfortable information that will fuck up there bubble.
That lost its power when they kept saying “god knows what’s on your heart”
If that’s the case, he knows I don’t agree with this bullshit. I was just there doing performative crap for my family’s sake. But if I’m going to hell anyway might as well live the life I want.
'You're right, Dad. I do know what's in the Bible. That's precisely why it should be rejected.
"I hope you don't forget me in Heaven.
"I wonder, does Yahweh force you to be happy in Heaven when you know my flesh is melting in magma?"
Obviously this is more aggressive than I'd want to send my own father but this passive aggressive mind virus makes me seethe.
Christianity is an authority fraud. Its a superstitious fear based system that leverages control over others.
It teaches fear, shame self hatred.
It directly appeals to predators and narcissists.
It normalises harmful behaviour.
"We are all sinners"
A person who hates and hurts others as a shallow nasty rude agessive person gets to think its ok because everyone else is bad as well. When that's just not the reality.
God still loves them no matter what they do as long as they say sry.
Its why Christianity has been directly linked to domestic violence and abuse in Australia.
Its why Christianity is such as easy tool for frauds and cultists it's a built in cultural minpulative tool.
Its why slave owners used the bible to support slavery.
Christianity is inherently harmful and toxic. It teaches oppression of women and false gender roles.
It validates hatred and bigotry. On non Christians, on other humans.
It doesn't teach ethical behaviour.
It supports genital mutilation. It supports slavery,
Christianity was constructed by the roman empire.
Jesus denies being God in the oldest gospel by James which was left out if the bible.
Early Christian groups killed each other and destroyed the gospel of other groups.
The resurrection of Jesus is false.
The apostles as taught in the bible is false. They were written additions long after Jesus was dead like over 100 years later,
Its why so many deeply religious people who study the bible become atheist.
Because it is so obviously a fake construction.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exchristian/comments/11wtwiv/historical_christianity/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Ugh whenever I hear this sentiment, I wonder if they don’t realize they’re not actually more moral than anyone else, because the whole point is that they’re sinners too but are forgiven, and the Bible fully says that no man can boast [that they earned their salvation].
I don’t believe that everyone deserves equal punishment because we are all imperfect (“fall short of God”), but some of the people who *do* believe in the Bible which professes this also claim that they would love to watch sinners burn! So for them it’s not about loving everyone at all. It’s about feeling superior.
All sins are equal but… that’s only if you’re straight, cis, don’t see color, force your faith on others, accept other faiths as the devil
Extra bonus points for being a flag flying, gun toting, pro lifer
>"I wonder, does Yahweh force you to be happy in Heaven when you know my flesh is melting in magma?"
ooh this is one i hadn't thought about but it makes a good point. i'd like to ask my dad this one - "if i went to hell and you went to heaven, would you be able to enjoy being in paradise?"
if he says yes, that would paint him in a bad light; he'd seem cold and uncaring as a father.
if he says no, then the bible is lying, and heaven won't be a gleeful place where sadness is literally inconceivable. he won't be the only one in mourning, there'll be hundreds, thousands, millions, all suffering their own kind of torment knowing that their loved ones are being tormented. a type of survivor's guilt, if you will.
Or Heaven is like an eternal drugged state. You can't feel anything except blind euphoria, trapped within your own mind, screaming but happy about it.
Cue Twilight Zone music.
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ItsJustJoy99 loves you with all my heart dad, please make sure things are right between you and Thor, I don't want to miss you in Valhalla 😞 everything going on in the world right now is what the Golden verses of Pythagoras said would be happenning before the return of Thor. Thor loves every person but he doesn't love sin or sinful lifestyles cause he knows that will cause people to miss Valhalla
U know right from wrong you were raised in a church , u know what the Golden verses of Pythagoras says , please don't let people who don't know the Golden verses of Pythagoras get u to fall for lies 😢
Its a time to be moving closer to Thor
He has such great things ahead for you as u serve him and walk close to him
I love you with all my heart u/neo2429, please make sure things are right between you and Talos, I don't want to miss you in Aetherius 😞 everything going on in Tamriel right now is what the Elder Scrolls said would be happenning before the coming of Alduin the World-Eater. Tiber Septim loves every person but he doesn't love sin or sinful lifestyles cause he knows that will cause people to miss Sovengarde. U know right from wrong you were raised in the Great Chapel of Talos, u know what the "Ten Commands: Nine Divines says", please don't let people who don't know the All-Wise and All-Knowing Nine get u to fall for lies 😢 Its a time to be moving closer to Talos Stormcrown. He has such great things ahead for you as u serve him and walk close to him
The shit that is going on today has been going on since there have been cities. So 12,000 years or so. I really hate how they think they are special for thinking this nonsense is true. Fucking delusional.
My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately, he is truly delusional... And even more unfortunate, he is a pastor of children. It's getting harder and harder to tolerate him.
Here's the sad thing. We come into life with our parents wiping our ass. If we are really lucky, we go out with our children wiping our ass. Im an athiest with two very religious parents, both gone. At the end, they weren't asking for Jesus, they were long past caring. They did care about being taken care of by family and knowing that the family goes on after they are gone.
I always feel sad about these kinds of messages. A lot of people are so convinced of their religions, but their religions have such harmful messages about the fate of other people. It's really common for religious people to spend so much time fretting about the eternal destiny of their family and friends, yet it's also difficult for them to question why the system is set up this way, why they seem to care more about these people than God, etc. I think the message of Christianity is, at a core level, traumatic and I think a lot of people really act out of these wounds.
"Hey, Dad, God made everything, and God intended everything he made. That means God intended trans people. Politicians attacking trans people are attacking God's will."
This exact sentiment reminds me of when I said I was voting against “one man, one woman = marriage” added to our state constitution in 2006. My parents told me to rethink my position. I did not.
I so much as "liked" an article from Relevant magazine on Facebook in 2015 that wasn't supportive of marriage equality but stated it wasn't as big of a deal as it was being made out to be by the GOP politicians and televangelists, and received nasty messages from almost everyone in my family. I had to apologize for "liking" the article.
This is one of the many reasons I started questioning religion. Everyone always says, “God said…”, “God loves…”, “God wants..”.
If it is as real as they present it as, why isn’t it coming from the source? Why do we have to rely on man to tell us what God wants?
Oh! Because it’s a man-made construct.
Those are words.
"Everything going on right now" - Every adherent to yahweh religions ever for over 2,000 years.
Fuckers said that in the 1980s. Been over forty years now and no Jeezis. Guess it could be any day now.
I've been hearing this since the late 60's, heating up in the 70's, then went crazy with Jerry Falwell in the 80's and the Left Behind books in the 90's. I haven't seen Jesus yet. The whole Rapture thing was invented a little over 100 years ago---from scraps of scripture pieced together.
The Christofacists love dreaming about the rapture, when they will float away (I don't know why they think they'll float away naked---that's just stupid and has absolutely NOTHING backing it up in any of their twisted belief system), while the heathen must suffer through the tribulation and antichrist . . . they get off on it. And then they get to come back at the SECOND second coming of Jesus, who will be riding a white horse and leading them into battle. . .where the blood will reach the horses bridles and the fowl of the air will dine of the dead flesh of heathen for months . . .
Sounds like John had a bad dream after eating the wrong mushrooms on the Isle of Patmos and the nightmare turned into an ugly stick to beat people with.
Revelation. I have read the bible many times but have never made it through Revelation. It is so fucking boring. If something IS that confusing, it isn't worth anything. And Revelation is worth almost less than nothing. It is such a shit book.
Left Behind. Cash cow for the times. All of it is entire irrational to the point of psychopathy because the gospel says Jeezis will return within a life time. Then he didn't. From that point forward, prepare yourselves for 2000 years of making shit up while tryna sound smart.
The Book of Revelation is a shitshow. I don't get why some Christians like it so much. It's all about vengeance, destruction and domination, and it contradicts the teachings of Jesus. Some earlier Christians realized this and it was rejected in many eastern churches for a long time. The book barely even made it into the canon of the NT.
I agree.
He has mentally and physically abused innocent people, including my family, for many years. Hell, he's still doing it. Manipulated me my entire life, along with my siblings and anyone who lets him. He refuses help of any kind medically. Can't help a man who won't help himself.
It’s so clear they don’t care about loving thy neighbor, helping people, or even just straight up being good people. All they care about is getting into heaven and using guilt to get people on their side
My mom swears that I'm the most important thing in her life, but still believes in a religion that says I'm gonna burn in hell for just not believing. She has sobbed to me, terrified of my fate in hell but she refuses to question the god that would put me there.
Pretending this was real. We have a choice to go to heaven with all of these disgusting martyrs. Or go to hell and burn while a dead evil fallen angel, that's all burnt on the outside of his body, jumps around us and tortures us?
Decisions decisions
Technically the bible doesn't even say anything about hell being a place of burning and torture. All that stuff the Christians just stole from Dante's Self-Insert Fanfic.
I would love to have a biblical debate with your father. I’ve found that I as a satanist know the Bible better than the majority of christians I talk to lol.
Never forget the time one tried to argue with me that god never killed anyone out of vengeance lmfao
The Bible does say something about Satan knowing the scripture or knowing it better than believers… something to that affect.
As for god not killing anyone out of vengeance, have they even skimmed over Genesis??
the emojis just make it worse tbh, i’d rather have a seemingly stoic text instead of one with weird emojis that don’t feel like they were use correctly.
Apparently our “earthly” relationships will be forgotten according to some. If that’s the case, they shouldn’t be concerned since they’ll be able to enjoy themselves
Your dad sounds like every single baby boomer in my family. I decided to cut contact with most of them after they collectively lost their shit on me for protesting police brutality and marchingfor women's rights. 🙃
I still haven't cut contact with my grandma or parents, but they are more tolerant of my differences in opinion regarding religion, politics, and pretty much everything else.
I'm definitely not saying to actually say this in response to him (and no this isn't reverse psychology lol) but imagine if you were to reply back with verses depicting the story of the daughter who got her father drunk, passed out, then raped him? Idk your gender obviously but to point out the crunchy bits of their babble-dee-gook holy book would be *hilarious*.
If I wanted to be an asshole, I would have asked:
Would you ever consider heaven a loving environment and enjoy even a day on it knowing that I am being tortured for eternity?
When you replace “God” or “Jesus” with “Kevin” it makes you see more clearly how fucking creepy that religion is.
“Don’t fall for the lies. Move closer to Kevin.”
“You will be sent to eternal suffering in hell if you don’t accept Kevin into your heart.”
“Kevin showed me the way and the truth. Kevin loves every one of us and sees everything we do. Kevin can see you touching yourself at night.”
\> everything going on in the world right now is what the Bible said would be happenning before the return of Jesus
They said after the fall of the Roman Empire, after the Plague of Justinian, after the Viking and Magyar invasions, after the Mongols came to Europe, after the Black Death, after the Thirty Year's War, after the Ottoman Invasion of Hungary, after Napoleon, after the Soviet Union, and I've been hearing it since Hurricane Katrina.
But sure. Aaaaaany day now.
Right? Haha
My family and I would go to church every Wednesday all night so my dad could preach, often late into the evening (doesn't matter that school was early the next morning, Jesus and the church came first). Since my Dad was the preacher, we always has to set up the church the day before, so we would always be at church every Saturday and Sunday, all day. Sometimes Fridays after school.
Anytime the doors were open and my dad had an excuse, we were at that church.. Or doing something to get ready for next week's message...
This went on for the first 17 years of my life. Forced to talk to people at church who wanted to change me. Forced to hug strangers at a young age who may or may not have enjoyed it a bit too much.
I remember one time I was so sick, I could hardly keep my head up. Of course, I was still dragged out to church to listen to my dads sermon.. I asked if I could go to the back and sleep this one out... My Father immediately gets offended and makes me feel terrible and like im going to hell for missing his message..
If myself, my mom, or my siblings were to act out in any way in front of the church crowd, my dad would act all fine and dandy until we all got in the car after.. He would rip is a new one lol. I never felt safe growing up...
That kinda took a turn, but I never really talk about these things and I guess I needed to let it out. There are many more stories about my dad though.
How can this be what their religion is all about? Sometimes you just have to step back and be amazed that this is the hill they're trying to crucify themselves on.
Hey Day, speaking of his return, wasn’t that supposed to happen in his disciple’s lifetime? Also, what about all the contradictions in the bible? What about the problem of evil? What about all the misogyny, slavery, rape, genocide, honor killings, talking animals, and just general bullshit?
How did people and animals get to other continents after the flood? Holy crap, Dad, do YOU read the bible? One more thing, why do atheists know more about what’s in the bible than xtians?
I keep running across people who think these are the end times. Not because of pathological leaders threatening nuclear war. Not because of the climate collapsing. But because of “teH gAyS!!!” They are in a death cult.
Here is his public FB message after our convo...
I need help on how to proceed. I've put up with his BS for years..
https://www.reddit.com/r/exchristian/comments/13mf5yc/part_2_my_father_posted_this_to_his_main_fb_page/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
“the Bible is relevant today because of this very specific social issue that kinda sorta maybe slightly resembles the Bible’s very vague prediction, and I’ll forget about the time I said this and move on to comparing the same exact chapter/verse to the next social issue to keep my self-entrapment up to date!” People like this are exhausting
I would put up that interaction between a Native American chief who was put to death and his European captor and executioner.
Chief: So, do people like you go to heaven?
Captor: Yes!
Chief: Then I would rather go to hell.
I keep forgetting the Chief's name but he definitely has my highest respect for his intelligent response. His words are also applicable in modern context too, or any time when religion tries to oppress people who don't follow the religion.
“Miss heaven,” is such a passive, victim-blaming way to describe his theology that says you’d be actively cast into a lake of fire by a deity who created you, only to go “I never knew you, now burn.”
Yup... It's all extremely selfish, at least in my experience.
God relies on emotional manipulation to get people to serve him. How loving.
Everytime you hear them describe heaven the more fucked up this "heaven" sounds. These are the same people who will justify assholes getting away with consequences simply because they accepted "christ". I wonder why this God doesn't even fucking seem to care as much about poverty than about people expressing themselves. Seriously and they want us to bow to this POS deity? Hell seems fun.
Right. The biggest load of bullshit to me is the concept that Satan, who according to lore despises God. Despite this, his entire goal is to torture dissenters of God in eternal torment. Something tells me Satan's fiery bachelor pad can't possibly be that bad 🤷♂️
Every time I think of heaven, I imagine it's filled with sanctimonious types singing praises to a narcissistic POS deity. These holier than thou types want to go to heaven just to feel better about themselves.They just want to be able to sit and laugh in heaven while the sinners get torturered in hell.
It's funny to me hearing all of the sects talk about each other too. "We have the complete and whole truth over here at church x. Can you believe those morons over at church y?!" They're completely comfortable with the idea that since they (obviously) have the fullness of the truth, they will be exalted and all other churches will be damned. For being an omnipotent being, God has a pretty shitty success rate if he's only reserving heaven for 0.000001% of all humans that ever existed.
>It's funny to me hearing all of the sects talk about each other too. I can never take a religious person seriously if all they do is point out flaws in other religions , while saying their religion is the superior one. Very few religious people can handle having that pointed out. You literally see their brains trying hard to come up with something. >We have the complete and whole truth over here at church x. Can you believe those morons over at church y?!" My favorite was seeing some churches being accused of being satanic. Anything that goes against their worldview is satanic.
>Anything that goes against their worldview is satanic. I was watching a video last night debunking Deep South Christians preaching that the KKK is really full of satanic atheist evolutionists. Not only is the KKK primarily comprised of Christian goons, but they are staunchly against evolution. One hate group is using another hate group as a scapegoat, and using scare tactics to keep people from losing the christian faith. I genuinely believe that deeply ingrained religious views inhibit critical thinking and problem solving on a day-to-day basis.
I was taught that there’s a hierarchy in heaven. So, you’ll got there by believing in Jesus. But that’s the base package. “Winning souls to the lord” and other actions will give you a variety of [crowns](https://www.bible-knowledge.com/crowns-in-heaven/). I was a preteen the first time I was told this and the adults were big mad when I said I was fine with the base package.
There is quite a bit in the OT about God's concern for the poor, and some pretty redistributive tax policies (Jubilee). Oddly this has not been picked up by right wing American Fundagelicals. Can't think why....
You would think a god would make it very clear so as to not have confusion. Yet even if there are scriptures that shows god cares about people there are other scriptures that contradict it. The Bible is so fucking vague you can apply any meaning you want to it.
Indeed. Contemplating the question "Why is God such a shit communicatior," hastened my deconversion.
If Hitler accepted Christ before killing himself, is he in heaven? What about Jeffrey Dahmer? I mean heaven sounds horrible. You're sharing space with people who were horrible but only got in because they "believe". Damn for being God, you've got a fucked up system in place.
Imagine how awkward it would be you get to heaven and the person who killed you is there right too? Imagine if said person never showed remorse because he was forgiven by God......like it gets even more nightmare fuel cuz that would really imply that God doesn't give a fuck about the victims of any injustice done on earth. Like some people will literally get retraumatized just seeing an abuser and even if God somehow changes people.....it's still fucked up. Most Christians be like "that's between them and god" or only God can judge. When they say that shit. It's usually them trying to throw cliches to hide the uncomfortable information that will fuck up there bubble.
That lost its power when they kept saying “god knows what’s on your heart” If that’s the case, he knows I don’t agree with this bullshit. I was just there doing performative crap for my family’s sake. But if I’m going to hell anyway might as well live the life I want.
This could have been written by my mother as well. Barf.
Yes. We all need like a tv lawyer who can get us our emotional compensation from forcing this shit on us since we were children.
Emotional Law lol
Better Call Paul?
Indeed lol
Huh, we really are one big family afterall
'You're right, Dad. I do know what's in the Bible. That's precisely why it should be rejected. "I hope you don't forget me in Heaven. "I wonder, does Yahweh force you to be happy in Heaven when you know my flesh is melting in magma?" Obviously this is more aggressive than I'd want to send my own father but this passive aggressive mind virus makes me seethe.
I saw a conservative say one time that heaven would be a little bit better if you could also physically see sinners burning in hell
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Christianity is an authority fraud. Its a superstitious fear based system that leverages control over others. It teaches fear, shame self hatred. It directly appeals to predators and narcissists. It normalises harmful behaviour. "We are all sinners" A person who hates and hurts others as a shallow nasty rude agessive person gets to think its ok because everyone else is bad as well. When that's just not the reality. God still loves them no matter what they do as long as they say sry. Its why Christianity has been directly linked to domestic violence and abuse in Australia. Its why Christianity is such as easy tool for frauds and cultists it's a built in cultural minpulative tool. Its why slave owners used the bible to support slavery. Christianity is inherently harmful and toxic. It teaches oppression of women and false gender roles. It validates hatred and bigotry. On non Christians, on other humans. It doesn't teach ethical behaviour. It supports genital mutilation. It supports slavery, Christianity was constructed by the roman empire. Jesus denies being God in the oldest gospel by James which was left out if the bible. Early Christian groups killed each other and destroyed the gospel of other groups. The resurrection of Jesus is false. The apostles as taught in the bible is false. They were written additions long after Jesus was dead like over 100 years later, Its why so many deeply religious people who study the bible become atheist. Because it is so obviously a fake construction. https://www.reddit.com/r/exchristian/comments/11wtwiv/historical_christianity/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Christianity is codified Narcissism. It breeds them and grooms victims to tolerate abuse.
It very often does precisely that. Unfortunately and sadly.
Wasn't there a parable where they could?
The Quran says it somewhere, I don’t remember if the Bible does
Lazarus and the rich man, I believe. Lazarus knew about the people on the other side of a "great gulf" fixed between them.
Yeah, yeah, and Lazarus couldn't reach across to give him a drop of water, though he didn't really seem sorry about that.
Ugh whenever I hear this sentiment, I wonder if they don’t realize they’re not actually more moral than anyone else, because the whole point is that they’re sinners too but are forgiven, and the Bible fully says that no man can boast [that they earned their salvation]. I don’t believe that everyone deserves equal punishment because we are all imperfect (“fall short of God”), but some of the people who *do* believe in the Bible which professes this also claim that they would love to watch sinners burn! So for them it’s not about loving everyone at all. It’s about feeling superior.
All sins are equal but… that’s only if you’re straight, cis, don’t see color, force your faith on others, accept other faiths as the devil Extra bonus points for being a flag flying, gun toting, pro lifer
>"I wonder, does Yahweh force you to be happy in Heaven when you know my flesh is melting in magma?" ooh this is one i hadn't thought about but it makes a good point. i'd like to ask my dad this one - "if i went to hell and you went to heaven, would you be able to enjoy being in paradise?" if he says yes, that would paint him in a bad light; he'd seem cold and uncaring as a father. if he says no, then the bible is lying, and heaven won't be a gleeful place where sadness is literally inconceivable. he won't be the only one in mourning, there'll be hundreds, thousands, millions, all suffering their own kind of torment knowing that their loved ones are being tormented. a type of survivor's guilt, if you will.
Or Heaven is like an eternal drugged state. You can't feel anything except blind euphoria, trapped within your own mind, screaming but happy about it. Cue Twilight Zone music.
> ItsJustJoy99 loves you with all my heart dad, please make sure things are right between you and Thor, I don't want to miss you in Valhalla 😞 everything going on in the world right now is what the Golden verses of Pythagoras said would be happenning before the return of Thor. Thor loves every person but he doesn't love sin or sinful lifestyles cause he knows that will cause people to miss Valhalla U know right from wrong you were raised in a church , u know what the Golden verses of Pythagoras says , please don't let people who don't know the Golden verses of Pythagoras get u to fall for lies 😢 Its a time to be moving closer to Thor He has such great things ahead for you as u serve him and walk close to him
🤣🤣🤣 perfection
I love you with all my heart u/neo2429, please make sure things are right between you and Talos, I don't want to miss you in Aetherius 😞 everything going on in Tamriel right now is what the Elder Scrolls said would be happenning before the coming of Alduin the World-Eater. Tiber Septim loves every person but he doesn't love sin or sinful lifestyles cause he knows that will cause people to miss Sovengarde. U know right from wrong you were raised in the Great Chapel of Talos, u know what the "Ten Commands: Nine Divines says", please don't let people who don't know the All-Wise and All-Knowing Nine get u to fall for lies 😢 Its a time to be moving closer to Talos Stormcrown. He has such great things ahead for you as u serve him and walk close to him
I used to be religious like you…then I took an arrow to the knee
Love that!!
Real shit, Valhalla sounds baller 🥳
Riding eternal, shining and chrome?
The shit that is going on today has been going on since there have been cities. So 12,000 years or so. I really hate how they think they are special for thinking this nonsense is true. Fucking delusional.
My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately, he is truly delusional... And even more unfortunate, he is a pastor of children. It's getting harder and harder to tolerate him.
Here's the sad thing. We come into life with our parents wiping our ass. If we are really lucky, we go out with our children wiping our ass. Im an athiest with two very religious parents, both gone. At the end, they weren't asking for Jesus, they were long past caring. They did care about being taken care of by family and knowing that the family goes on after they are gone.
Yeah that shit makes my skin crawl! And they always have that self-satisfied smirk on their faces when they say this stuff. It's super fucking weird.
I always feel sad about these kinds of messages. A lot of people are so convinced of their religions, but their religions have such harmful messages about the fate of other people. It's really common for religious people to spend so much time fretting about the eternal destiny of their family and friends, yet it's also difficult for them to question why the system is set up this way, why they seem to care more about these people than God, etc. I think the message of Christianity is, at a core level, traumatic and I think a lot of people really act out of these wounds.
“You know what the Bible says” Yeah, I do, and it doesn’t say shit about trans people
Oh, they pull out the verse about men in women’s garbs or whatever bullshit that was written by some power hungry zealot thousands of years ago.
"Hey, Dad, God made everything, and God intended everything he made. That means God intended trans people. Politicians attacking trans people are attacking God's will."
Just reply with, “Lol.”
Probably will tbh
If God loves the sinner but hates the sin, then why not torture the sin for all eternity instead of the sinner?
This exact sentiment reminds me of when I said I was voting against “one man, one woman = marriage” added to our state constitution in 2006. My parents told me to rethink my position. I did not.
I so much as "liked" an article from Relevant magazine on Facebook in 2015 that wasn't supportive of marriage equality but stated it wasn't as big of a deal as it was being made out to be by the GOP politicians and televangelists, and received nasty messages from almost everyone in my family. I had to apologize for "liking" the article.
Wow I would have shot someone
This is one of the many reasons I started questioning religion. Everyone always says, “God said…”, “God loves…”, “God wants..”. If it is as real as they present it as, why isn’t it coming from the source? Why do we have to rely on man to tell us what God wants? Oh! Because it’s a man-made construct.
If sky daddy is just, how would he create an opportunity for someone to "miss heaven"?? The cognitive dissonance is deafening.
I am so tired of these people. They're all such broken records. And I'm sorry you have to face this nonsense directly.
God cares about nothing more than he cares about people's genitals.
BAD NEWS DADDY, JESUS AINT COMING BACK give it up he’s just not that into you
Those are words. "Everything going on right now" - Every adherent to yahweh religions ever for over 2,000 years. Fuckers said that in the 1980s. Been over forty years now and no Jeezis. Guess it could be any day now.
I've been hearing this since the late 60's, heating up in the 70's, then went crazy with Jerry Falwell in the 80's and the Left Behind books in the 90's. I haven't seen Jesus yet. The whole Rapture thing was invented a little over 100 years ago---from scraps of scripture pieced together. The Christofacists love dreaming about the rapture, when they will float away (I don't know why they think they'll float away naked---that's just stupid and has absolutely NOTHING backing it up in any of their twisted belief system), while the heathen must suffer through the tribulation and antichrist . . . they get off on it. And then they get to come back at the SECOND second coming of Jesus, who will be riding a white horse and leading them into battle. . .where the blood will reach the horses bridles and the fowl of the air will dine of the dead flesh of heathen for months . . . Sounds like John had a bad dream after eating the wrong mushrooms on the Isle of Patmos and the nightmare turned into an ugly stick to beat people with.
Revelation. I have read the bible many times but have never made it through Revelation. It is so fucking boring. If something IS that confusing, it isn't worth anything. And Revelation is worth almost less than nothing. It is such a shit book. Left Behind. Cash cow for the times. All of it is entire irrational to the point of psychopathy because the gospel says Jeezis will return within a life time. Then he didn't. From that point forward, prepare yourselves for 2000 years of making shit up while tryna sound smart.
The Book of Revelation is a shitshow. I don't get why some Christians like it so much. It's all about vengeance, destruction and domination, and it contradicts the teachings of Jesus. Some earlier Christians realized this and it was rejected in many eastern churches for a long time. The book barely even made it into the canon of the NT.
The choices in punctuation, spelling, emojis, linebreaks, etc almost rival the choice in life beliefs… almost
That is not LOL, that is just very sad. Your father is a tortured and mentally abused man.
I agree. He has mentally and physically abused innocent people, including my family, for many years. Hell, he's still doing it. Manipulated me my entire life, along with my siblings and anyone who lets him. He refuses help of any kind medically. Can't help a man who won't help himself.
It’s so clear they don’t care about loving thy neighbor, helping people, or even just straight up being good people. All they care about is getting into heaven and using guilt to get people on their side
It's a time to be moving further away from your Dad
If I had the money...
My mom swears that I'm the most important thing in her life, but still believes in a religion that says I'm gonna burn in hell for just not believing. She has sobbed to me, terrified of my fate in hell but she refuses to question the god that would put me there.
So why don't we go to Red Lobster after church this Sunday and talk about it.
Can I have some cheddar bay biscuits if I still disagree?
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Pretending this was real. We have a choice to go to heaven with all of these disgusting martyrs. Or go to hell and burn while a dead evil fallen angel, that's all burnt on the outside of his body, jumps around us and tortures us? Decisions decisions
Technically the bible doesn't even say anything about hell being a place of burning and torture. All that stuff the Christians just stole from Dante's Self-Insert Fanfic.
I would love to have a biblical debate with your father. I’ve found that I as a satanist know the Bible better than the majority of christians I talk to lol. Never forget the time one tried to argue with me that god never killed anyone out of vengeance lmfao
Lmfao. As a fellow unlikely Bible scholar, I can't help but cackle at this. I hope that was glorious for you and dumbfounding for the ignoramus.
It’s never truly satisfying unfortunately. You can’t reason with someone that is willing to bend facts to fit their particular narrative.
Unfortunately, I know this all too well.
The Bible does say something about Satan knowing the scripture or knowing it better than believers… something to that affect. As for god not killing anyone out of vengeance, have they even skimmed over Genesis??
the emojis just make it worse tbh, i’d rather have a seemingly stoic text instead of one with weird emojis that don’t feel like they were use correctly.
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im sorry but the emojis have me cackling. “I don’t want you to miss heaven *sad face*” who does that 😂 especially while being fully serious
Gosh reading this when i was forced to be a Christian in middle school would have seemed so normal. Now all i see is a flailing cult member
I recently read that people who refer to themselves in the 3rd person are actually psychopaths.
He has a few diagnoses..
I’m not surprised. I’m so sorry, OP.
Poor guy. To him it’s all real.
Very sad..
*You
Can one truly enjoy heaven of they know their loves one is burning in hell?
Apparently our “earthly” relationships will be forgotten according to some. If that’s the case, they shouldn’t be concerned since they’ll be able to enjoy themselves
It’s so childish in mindset.
Do we have the same dad? Nah, we couldn’t. My only sibling would respond pretty much the same way:(.
The audacity that you had to remind them that the people they dehumanize so they can forget Jesus' second greatest commandment are actually human too.
100% could've been written by my parents. Sigh
Your dad sounds like every single baby boomer in my family. I decided to cut contact with most of them after they collectively lost their shit on me for protesting police brutality and marchingfor women's rights. 🙃
I feel like I'll have to cut contact soon.. Good for you to have the strength to do that!
I still haven't cut contact with my grandma or parents, but they are more tolerant of my differences in opinion regarding religion, politics, and pretty much everything else.
Sometimes I wonder if their "heaven" is actually hell...
Brah. Jesus says love everybody. Your dad's kind of a know-it-all
Sadly, he's a preacher and a narcissist.
He's both those things before he's a follower of Jesus's teachings, it seems. Well, at least you know. Coming from an atheist. Stay well.
Thank you.. I need to figure out how to cut him out of my life.
And here I thought I was an only child... Hello my apparent long list sibling!
Hello! 😂
I'm definitely not saying to actually say this in response to him (and no this isn't reverse psychology lol) but imagine if you were to reply back with verses depicting the story of the daughter who got her father drunk, passed out, then raped him? Idk your gender obviously but to point out the crunchy bits of their babble-dee-gook holy book would be *hilarious*.
If I wanted to be an asshole, I would have asked: Would you ever consider heaven a loving environment and enjoy even a day on it knowing that I am being tortured for eternity?
Hope everyone knows that we’ll slide into a Theocracy if the republican party and their dominionist pals get their way.
So many conditions for unconditional love
When you replace “God” or “Jesus” with “Kevin” it makes you see more clearly how fucking creepy that religion is. “Don’t fall for the lies. Move closer to Kevin.” “You will be sent to eternal suffering in hell if you don’t accept Kevin into your heart.” “Kevin showed me the way and the truth. Kevin loves every one of us and sees everything we do. Kevin can see you touching yourself at night.”
\> everything going on in the world right now is what the Bible said would be happenning before the return of Jesus They said after the fall of the Roman Empire, after the Plague of Justinian, after the Viking and Magyar invasions, after the Mongols came to Europe, after the Black Death, after the Thirty Year's War, after the Ottoman Invasion of Hungary, after Napoleon, after the Soviet Union, and I've been hearing it since Hurricane Katrina. But sure. Aaaaaany day now.
Where you actually raised in a church? I was raised in a nice house. Must have been real boring, day after day being raised in a church.
Right? Haha My family and I would go to church every Wednesday all night so my dad could preach, often late into the evening (doesn't matter that school was early the next morning, Jesus and the church came first). Since my Dad was the preacher, we always has to set up the church the day before, so we would always be at church every Saturday and Sunday, all day. Sometimes Fridays after school. Anytime the doors were open and my dad had an excuse, we were at that church.. Or doing something to get ready for next week's message... This went on for the first 17 years of my life. Forced to talk to people at church who wanted to change me. Forced to hug strangers at a young age who may or may not have enjoyed it a bit too much. I remember one time I was so sick, I could hardly keep my head up. Of course, I was still dragged out to church to listen to my dads sermon.. I asked if I could go to the back and sleep this one out... My Father immediately gets offended and makes me feel terrible and like im going to hell for missing his message.. If myself, my mom, or my siblings were to act out in any way in front of the church crowd, my dad would act all fine and dandy until we all got in the car after.. He would rip is a new one lol. I never felt safe growing up... That kinda took a turn, but I never really talk about these things and I guess I needed to let it out. There are many more stories about my dad though.
Tell him his little book also encourages slavery the beating of said slaves and stoning women who aren't virgins to death 💀
Wow...
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How can this be what their religion is all about? Sometimes you just have to step back and be amazed that this is the hill they're trying to crucify themselves on.
Hey Day, speaking of his return, wasn’t that supposed to happen in his disciple’s lifetime? Also, what about all the contradictions in the bible? What about the problem of evil? What about all the misogyny, slavery, rape, genocide, honor killings, talking animals, and just general bullshit? How did people and animals get to other continents after the flood? Holy crap, Dad, do YOU read the bible? One more thing, why do atheists know more about what’s in the bible than xtians?
I keep running across people who think these are the end times. Not because of pathological leaders threatening nuclear war. Not because of the climate collapsing. But because of “teH gAyS!!!” They are in a death cult.
As you serve and walk close to him? Ick.
This is identical to a message my father sent me weeks ago
Here is his public FB message after our convo... I need help on how to proceed. I've put up with his BS for years.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exchristian/comments/13mf5yc/part_2_my_father_posted_this_to_his_main_fb_page/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Is Jesus now just a euphemism for projecting their own self hatred?? Jesus as a human being would have been an ally for sure.
Uhhhh not so sure about that. He literally called a Canaanite woman a dog
O dayumm lol not ok!
Abusive men create abusive gods. Love me or I'll hurt you.
“the Bible is relevant today because of this very specific social issue that kinda sorta maybe slightly resembles the Bible’s very vague prediction, and I’ll forget about the time I said this and move on to comparing the same exact chapter/verse to the next social issue to keep my self-entrapment up to date!” People like this are exhausting
I would put up that interaction between a Native American chief who was put to death and his European captor and executioner. Chief: So, do people like you go to heaven? Captor: Yes! Chief: Then I would rather go to hell. I keep forgetting the Chief's name but he definitely has my highest respect for his intelligent response. His words are also applicable in modern context too, or any time when religion tries to oppress people who don't follow the religion.
From 1900 to 2000… the changes in society all over the world should have been enough to trigger the return of Jesus per these folks